The 4 Horsemen are back... well, sort of.

[MisterRob]

Because this is TNA and it's Ric Flair I believe Jay Lethal's going to turn heel and become the leader of Fourtune. I'm not even kidding, either. Seriously! Ric Flair is as much an ego maniac as Hulk Hogan; he's a mark for himself and I believe this angle's all about Ric Flair still keeping the spotlight while pretending to push the younger talent around him. Jay Lethal can BECOME the new Ric Flair, that's been proven for weeks now with his impersonations, and Flair will be all for it (and I'm not talking kayfabe). Lethal receives a push and gains a new gimmick by becoming Ric Flair and leading Fourtune.

I've never liked AJ Styles turning heel and becoming Ric Flair version 2, and I've honestly felt like it was a burial of him and not a push. AJ Styles has everything he needs to be on his own, to be over as a top face as he's been the face of TNA for years before Hogan/Bischoff/Flair ever strolled in and he doesn't need this stable. I see Styles being eliminted from it and I'm hoping he'll return to a face and actually start going in the right direction.

I can't disagree more with the people claiming Kaz is the best option for this stable and even the mindblowing opinions that he should be the leader of it and get this rub. I don't care how talented Kaz might be in the ring as a wrestler, he's a complete failure when it comes to key variables he (like any wrestler) needs to be a top player. He has no charisma whatsoever, which is exactly why he CANNOT get over and no one cares about him beyond a forever midcarder. No matter what Ric Flair or this stable does that's not going to change, because Kaz is missing necessary pieces of the puzzle one needs. He has no charisma, no personality, can't talk on the mic for the life of himself, and is just utterly uninteresting as a character. It's not any gimmick it's his natural presence and that can't be changed. If Kaz is pushed as the leader over guys who are far more talented then him and are far more deserving of a push then this stables already doomed. There is no way Beer Money or Wolfe should be following Kaz of all people and the fans aren't stupid, they're not blind, and it'll prevent anyone from taking the stable seriously.

I'm all for AJ Styles being removed from the stable and turning face, I'm also all for Desmond Wolfe not being a part of it and going solo as a heel of his own because he doesn't need the stable either, but Kaz just isn't an option to me as the guy who gets the top push from this stable. Desmond Wolfe would make a far better leader, he has all the tools he needs for the role over any of the other options, and he fits the role perfectly and brings something unique and special to the role instead of just being a carbon copy of Ric Flair in that role.

Hell, I'd take Jay Lethal in that role over Kaz, because Lethal deserves the push just as much and he has charisma and presence and can talk on the mic where Kaz is lacking entirely in all of those departments.

The best option of all would be Mr. Anderson, though!

 

[Vintage]

Fortune: a hypothetical force or personified power that unpredictably determines events and issues favorably or unfavorably

I have a feeling that Ric Flair personally came up with the name. This isn't some easily recognized concept like Evolution where the name sort of spoke for itself. Fortune is the perfect name for a group led by Flair as master manipulator. He's the personified power, God if you ask him, that controls the wrestling world in TNA. His group will be molded in his likeness, he even said on impact more or less that he'll be molding them all to be like Tully, Arn and Ole.

I expect AJ to be rotated out of Fortune by or on the 1st Impact of the next ppv. He went as far as Flair is going to take him right now, and frankly Kaz needs the exposure more. I would like to see AJ and Kaz both stay in and fight it out for a while but knowing TNA I expect a underwhelming face turn. A shame really, AJ has so much farther he can fall before he reaches the point of no return and can't be redeemed.

 

[Money Inc.]

I don't know how you cannot like this idea.

They've been flirting around with it for months now.

You have AJ Styles who either will be named the leader or get the boot. I can see it going either way.

You have Desmond Wolfe who will be made out to look like the Randy Orton/Tully Blanchard of the group.

Then you have Beer Money who with Flair can get a long title run and continue to prove they are the best tag team in wrestling today.

Also you have Kaz who is kind of sucking up to Flair to get a spot. It'll be interesting to see if AJ or Kaz will get the boot. Kaz needs the stables more than AJ but AJ makes more sense when you want this to get over.

 

[Dean Winchester]

Fortune: a hypothetical force or personified power that unpredictably determines events and issues favorably or unfavorably

I have a feeling that Ric Flair personally came up with the name. This isn't some easily recognized concept like Evolution where the name sort of spoke for itself. Fortune is the perfect name for a group led by Flair as master manipulator. He's the personified power, God if you ask him, that controls the wrestling world in TNA. His group will be molded in his likeness, he even said on impact more or less that he'll be molding them all to be like Tully, Arn and Ole.

I expect AJ to be rotated out of Fortune by or on the 1st Impact of the next ppv. He went as far as Flair is going to take him right now, and frankly Kaz needs the exposure more. I would like to see AJ and Kaz both stay in and fight it out for a while but knowing TNA I expect a underwhelming face turn. A shame really, AJ has so much farther he can fall before he reaches the point of no return and can't be redeemed.

Flair cannot mold themd guys into Tully, Arn and Ole. They haved to bed themselves in order to succeed and do great in TNA. I hope Flair is gonna oush the young superstars and this going to end good. Because TNA needs it, I have a feeling TNA needs to have positive things to happen forf them in order to not go out of buisness in the future.

 

[JollyJokerthePhoenix]

I am excited to see how this faction pans out, but I am hoping AJ Styles does not end up part of the group and has a face turn coming. I've gotten tired of seeing AJ as a heel.

I think in the end though it will be Beer Money, Kaz, and Wolfe as Flair's "Fortune", but after Wolfe lost his match last week, i'm wondering if his spot is going to be taken?

 

[MancMark]

I don't want Kaz in the stable because he's a shit character. No charisma whatsoever. He couldn't get over for love nor money, and if they make him leader it immediately cripples the credibility of the stable. Incidentally he doesn't excite me in the ring either. I was totally underwhelmed when he returned.

I don't think Wolfe needs it. It wouldn't be so bad for Wolfe to be in there if the whole stable hadn't spent months losing matches to Hogan's goons. It's ruining Wolfe's vicious character for him to be losing constantly.

It should do Beer Money good though. They'll get a lovely long run with the tag titles and they deserve it cos they're the best team around.

 

[JackBurton]

Flair cant mold these guys into the "new Horsemen" for one reason; The Horsemen were already well fleshed out, interesting, over characters before officially banding together (ie before Double A referenced the bible in that promo). Sorry for any TNA mega-marks but none of these guys is anywhere near that established, AJ comes close but falls just short. Dont think any of them have been working, never mind on TV, for 10 years? Am I right in thinking that? Someone will know - would appreciate an answer on that one actually. Have any of them reached the 10 year mark?

They're green as grass in that regard. This is about elevation.

AJ is the odd man out because the brain trust have figured out the fans who watch TNA, dont wanna boo the golden child. Its not his fault he cant really get any traction. He's just the wrong guy in the position.

Back to backflipping gangs of heels over the top rope my boy!

TNA will be better off for that and the formation of this group - not by miles, but still, defo better off

 

[Goliath Uterus]

Ric Flair confirmed what we've all been talking about for the last two monhts when his "big announcement" tonight was that he was reforming the infamous 4 Horsemen in TNA, except due to legal obligations (god damn you, Vince!) they won't be called the 4 Horsemen (don't worry – he didn't say it like that) – instead they'll be called "Fortune", or what I'm going to call them – "Fourtune".

The concept of a redefined Horsemen group should be a treat to watch, but with five members to choose from between Wolfe, Kaz, AJ, Storm and Roode, there's gotta be an odd-man out somewhere, no? Flair doesn't count, obviously.

Flair noted earlier tonight that if Wolfe lost his bout with Lethal that he'd get the boot, but following his loss they beat Lethal down together before the Hogan run-in, and Flair didn't look too upset with Wolfe – certainly not like his reaction to AJ's loss to Lethal at Slammiversary – that's for sure, so I'm not sold on the idea that Wolfe is really out of the Fourtune picture just yet.

Beer Money, Inc. (not held under the same stipulations) won their match and advanced to the finals in the TNA Tag Team Tournament for the right to face the MCMG at Victory Road, and the seeds for the AJ/Kaz feud were planted weeks ago, so the question is who's the real odd-man out, and how successful do you see the Fourtune stable being?

Do you see success for a reinstallation stable in TNA, or is this destined to fail?

Thoughts?

Great thread IDR, i can't get enough of your threads. With that said, I am very excited about this new stable TNA has created, (except for the name, they coulda thought of something better) it has everything you want, a fantastic tag team, a past champion, two future champions, and an old, promo cutting, stylin, profilin, sun of a bitch known as The Nature Boy Ric Flair, whats not to love about that? (Besides the name of course). I'm not to sure of the longevity of this stable, but I'm still excited for it nontheless, I personally dont think Wolfe is out of the stable, and I think this stable was created to set up the feud between AJ/Kaz with one of them getting a face turn (most likely AJ). Like i said before I dont think this stable will last long but in the time that its around, I think it could do some great things, and if it does last, I see even more great things happening, I see Kaz getting over as a heel (never thought I'd be saying that) and it'll give Ric Flair a reason to be on TV without having matches (pray that Lethal/Flair is a one time deal) and it will continue to establish Beer Money Inc. as a dominant tag team all the while putting them in a major storyline. So either way this stable is a great idea that will hopefully bring about some new feuds and establish a new star.

 

[ABMorales787]

I don't know how you cannot like this idea.

They've been flirting around with it for months now.

You have AJ Styles who either will be named the leader or get the boot. I can see it going either way.

You have Desmond Wolfe who will be made out to look like the Randy Orton/Tully Blanchard of the group.

Then you have Beer Money who with Flair can get a long title run and continue to prove they are the best tag team in wrestling today.

Also you have Kaz who is kind of sucking up to Flair to get a spot. It'll be interesting to see if AJ or Kaz will get the boot. Kaz needs the stables more than AJ but AJ makes more sense when you want this to get over.

I see AJ getting the boot. But just because he does get kicked out, it doesn't mean he will turn face. Well, not immediately anyway. AJ has made it a point over the past few months that he needs Flair. He feels insecure without him. What the current angle seems to point to is AJ getting kicked out and him continuing to try to get Flair's favor back with Fourtune (somebody has to tweet Dixie and have her fix this) rejecting him. Slowly humbling him as he would also be rejected by the other people in the locker room he betrayed. Eventually AJ will begin to work his way up again to show Flair he has "it" and then realize he never needed Flair. Leading to our face turn in maybe 5 months or so. I'm not on creative, but I actually see it going that way. You don't need to be a signed member of the stable to be pushed by it. Although using the stable to push Desmond and Kaz works too. Flair has a good score when it comes to building wrestlers with stables.

 

[ramblinroy682]

To me, the guy of all of these who should be the leader is Robert Roode. He is the best heel of the group. I have felt like he should get a major singles push for a long time. Plus the name...Fourtune...goes with Roode's money character.

Now that would mean breaking up Beer Money. At this point I don't think that would be so bad. Beer Money has had a major run for years now. They are good as a team, but I would take James Storm and make him to Roode what Anderson was to Flair. I could buy Storm as the enforcer of the group.

I don't think Storm is truly a guy that can ever be a World Champion much like Arn. He could have a good push as the Global Champ, but not the top guy. He could also be the tag specialist of the group. He has been a part of two of the most dominant TNA tag teams in AMW and Beer Money. You could put him with Kaz. Have an Arn and Tully type of Team. Or you could bring in a different bruising wrestler and have an Arn and Tully team. I think Chris Harris coming back would be a nice addition, but unlikely.

So, right now I would have Roode, Storm, and Kaz. They need a 4th guy. I think AJ needs to go his own way. To be honest, while I love Wolfe, something about having a british accent just doesn't go with the others. I think Eric Young could possibly fill the 4th spot. Another option would be a in-shape Tomko, a returning Daniels (another good option for a Tag Team with Storm), or I would introduce a new player to the TNA roster. They have Phil Shatter running security every week, he would be a good addition to the roster. He could be the Luger of the group. He would be someone fresh on the scene and what better way to get him over than to add him to this group.

 

[Mighty NorCal]

I never fucking understood this from the beginning. Does Flair even get it? "Im bringing back the Four Horsemen...except im actually not!! And its not called that!! You SHUT YOUR MOUTH FATBOY!! HOGAN!!"

uhhhh...what?

If its gonna be the Horsemen, then just make it the fucking horsemen, holy shit man. Also, as per usual, TNA is fucking the booking of this ALL up. The group is predicated on the guys being awesome, and having to win to be in....So what does TNA do? HAVE ALL THE PROSPECTIVE MEMBERS LOOSE ALL THE FUCKING TIME

Great idea, and they picked the right guys to have in it. Lets uh, stop fucking up the booking though. If they are gonna be elite, they need to be fucking elite.

 

[Little Jerry Lawler]

I agree that if Flair wants this to be another Four Horseman, that his inductees have to at least win most of the time. As to who I think the members will be, I see it consisting of Beer Money, Wolfe, and Kaz. I believe AJ is going to turn face soon but I can see him being in it and then turning face. The one thing this new stable has is personality except for Kaz which is good at least. Beer Money is solid as a tag team but Wolfe needs to win more if this is going to take off. All in all, I don't see this stable still together by the start of 2011 but it shall be interesting.