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NCAA Football LD 2012-2013 Season

That they are a better team then Florida, who is the "#2 team" in the SEC.

Florida beats 4 teams currently in the top 25, Louisville beats a grand total of 0. Clearly, your logic to who had a better season can explain that.


They should have won the game. They placed themselves on a higher pedestal based on their conference, and they can't get the job done.

So what do we say of Louisville, who lost to two teams that weren't half as good as Georgia?


And they won the conference based on higher ranking, hence they won the conference, and EARNED the BCS Bowl berth.

Um, they were awarded a BCS bowl berth; again, there's a big difference between being the BCS representative from a conference, and being the conference champion.


They did.

Along with three other teams.


Yeah, they lost to a team that was better then them. It happens. Just like Florida is getting the shit kicked out of them by a better team.

And clearly every team that loses to another team means they were just flat out better.

So again, care to explain that UConn loss, rather than sweep it under the rug?


Well you're trying to use Louisville losing to UConn to measure them, so yeah, this game is a good measuring stick of who is better between these 2 teams, considering it's the 2 fucking teams we are talking about.

Right, not like there was a month long layoff between games, at all.


It ends the Big 12, Big 10, Pac 12, SEC domination that is ruining College Football. It gives smaller schools a chance to win the National Championship

Conferences aren't ruining college football; conferences have existed years before the BCS, and there was never as many problems as there are now.

You know what is ruining college football? The BCS, which implements a system where a team gets an automatic berth because of an innocuous ranking, leaving better teams to lesser bowls. Well, that and the facade that these are "student athletes". I'm sure you still cling to that theory/



There are no scheduling headaches, it's done by fucking computers. And Travel isn't an issue anymore, it's 2012, not 1900. Fly your fucking team to the game. They can afford it.

Ok, explain this to me... Why would any school agree to this, when for decades, the system has worked perfectly fine, until shock and awe, the BCS came around?
 
Arkansas State won their conference too, do they also deserve a BCS bowl berth ahead of Florida?

Your logic is silly.
Yes. There should be more BCS bowls and every conference Champion should be in one.

Louisville's resume coming into tonight?
Winning your conference is more impressive then losing your conference.

So one loss to the team that was 5 yards away from playing in the National Championship is now less impressive than losing TWO games in a weak conference?
Yes. Because this system places an emphasis on winning your conference, and Florida was not good enough to do that.

You cannot believe what you're saying.
Yeah, I can. College football is a fucked up system that rewards teams for winning their conference, EXCEPT if that conference isn't the PAC 12, Big 10, Big 12, or SEC. I think that system is disgusting, and if you're gonna reward teams for winning conferences, then you should reward ALL conferences.
Only because there are 64/5/8 teams (however many it is now). Back when the NIT was the dominant tournament at the end of the year, the conference champions didn't. And there's no way an ACC #2 would be left out in favor of the OVC champion. You're just being silly if you say otherwise.
It's not silly, it's fair. Why bother even having conferences if winning the conference means nothing?
That's a nonsensical argument, for many reasons I don't feel like detailing right now.
How is that nonsensical? You know what, I don't think the winner of the NFC deserves to be in the Super Bowl this season. The Super Bowl should be played between the 2 AFC Teams. That's the logic you are using.

Like I said before the game even started, what happens in the game doesn't change the resume before the game. We're talking about whether they deserved the spot, not if they can win in the spot. Two completely different arguments.
And the fact that Louisville is clearly the better team means shows that the correct decision was made.

Actually, it wasn't made. Florida shouldn't be in the game.

Far more than Wisconsin at 7-5 does.
Then why were they not able to win their conference? because they aren't good enough.

And because they didn't go 7-5 in a piss bucket Big 10.

The fact you're sitting there, presumably with a straight face, trying to tell me Wisconsin deserves a spot in our fictional playoff more than Florida does suggests to me it's not worth wasting my time on you anymore tonight. You are talking complete nonsense.
No, I'm saying that If you're gonna have conferences, then ALL conference champions should be in the game. I'm not saying they can't have at large teams, I'm just saying that all conferences should have representation.

A National Championship without representation from all conferences means that it's a regional championship and certain regions are excluded because they weren't thought of as highly because of the region they play in.

And TV contracts, revenue sharing, brand building, organization of brands, drawing more income, allowing for other sports to exist under Title 9, etc.
I said eliminate conferences for one sport, not all sports.

And TV Contracts can just as easily be done by the team, or the entirety of the NCAA. Hell, Notre Dame has its own TV Contract, and Texas has it's own Network.

And Revenue Sharing should be shared throughout all the FBS teams, not just the conferences.

Brand building? What better way to build a brand then to get into a national championship tournament?


Conferences do far more than just keep certain teams from big games.
You've yet to name on thing that Conferences do that can't be done better without conferences.

Let's just say we both hope Notre Dame wipes the floor with Alabama and call it a night.
That's something we can agree on.

Just like we can agree that Louisville is kicking Floridas ass.
 
Florida beats 4 teams currently in the top 25, Louisville beats a grand total of 0. Clearly, your logic to who had a better season can explain that.
They never had a chance to play a top 25 team.


So what do we say of Louisville, who lost to two teams that weren't half as good as Georgia?
They won their conference. Again, there is virtually nothing to say in response to that, they won their conference, Florida didn't.


Um, they were awarded a BCS bowl berth; again, there's a big difference between being the BCS representative from a conference, and being the conference champion.
Yeah, guess what? They were a champion in the conference, and the BCS chose them of the 4 because they were the best of the 4.

Along with three other teams.
And the BCS chose one. Based on the ass kicking they are giving Florida, they chose the right one.


And clearly every team that loses to another team means they were just flat out better.
Yeah, actually, on that day they were better.

So again, care to explain that UConn loss, rather than sweep it under the rug?
You're still yet to explain the Georgia loss.

They got outplayed. It happens. They were able to rebound from the losses to win their conference, unlike Florida, who couldn't.

Right, not like there was a month long layoff between games, at all.
Oh really? I didn't realize Louisville had a month long layoff and Florida didn't.

Both teams had the same time off. There's no way to give any team an advantage due to the time off.

Conferences aren't ruining college football; conferences have existed years before the BCS, and there was never as many problems as there are now.

You know what is ruining college football? The BCS, which implements a system where a team gets an automatic berth because of an innocuous ranking, leaving better teams to lesser bowls. Well, that and the facade that these are "student athletes". I'm sure you still cling to that theory/


Ok, explain this to me... Why would any school agree to this, when for decades, the system has worked perfectly fine, until shock and awe, the BCS came around?
:lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao:

http://collegefootball.about.com/od/nationalchampions/a/champions-list.htm

You actually think the system worked fine BEFORE the BCS? That's fucking hysterical. You know how National Championship was decided before the BCS? It was voted on.

Since the BCS, there has been 1 recognized Split National Championship. Before the BCS, there were 15. The BCS has (WAY more often then not) done it's job.
 
Winning your conference is more impressive then losing your conference.
They didn't "lose" their conference. That's a silly way to describe it. They came in 2nd. Losing their conference is when you came in last.

Florida is #3 in the BCS. They came in 2nd in one of the toughest conferences in the country. They were 11-1, beating numerous ranked teams. To argue they were less deserving, simply because they didn't play in the Big East where mediocrity is king, is simply silly.

Yes. Because this system places an emphasis on winning your conference, and Florida was not good enough to do that.
No it doesn't. This current system does no such thing. Alabama didn't even compete for their conference title and was crowned National Champions last year. I'm not sure you're following the same sport I am.

Yeah, I can. College football is a fucked up system that rewards teams for winning their conference, EXCEPT if that conference isn't the PAC 12, Big 10, Big 12, or SEC. I think that system is disgusting, and if you're gonna reward teams for winning conferences, then you should reward ALL conferences.
So instead of taking the common sense approach, which would be that only DESERVING teams that win the conference gets to play in the BCS, you go in the complete opposite direction.

Why? Why not just say "Hey, we have this BCS system. We have 5 BCS bowls. The top 10 teams in the BCS play in the BCS bowls"? That would make a whole lot more sense than your silly scenario. And if you want to prevent overrated conferences from getting too many teams in, then only take a max 2 or 3 teams from each conference, and then just move down to numbers 11 and 12 if you need to.

Your way is stupid. My way makes sense. Your way allows for 7-5 Wisconsin, who was only Big 10 champions because the Big 10 was terrible and Ohio State is on probation, to play in the BCS, while a much more deserving team in Georgia, who was 5 yards away from a National Championship game, is not.

It's not silly, it's fair. Why bother even having conferences if winning the conference means nothing?
It's completely silly. And I already answered your conference questions.

How is that nonsensical? You know what, I don't think the winner of the NFC deserves to be in the Super Bowl this season. The Super Bowl should be played between the 2 AFC Teams. That's the logic you are using.
The fact you're trying to compare a professional football league, where all the teams answer to the same overall company, to college football, where conferences are completely independent, just shows how far you are reaching.

And the fact that Louisville is clearly the better team means shows that the correct decision was made.
No, it doesn't. That's a fallacious argument, made only by fools.

If I invest in Apple stock today, and three days from now it's discovered widespread fraud accounting has been taking place in Apple for years, artificially inflating their profits, and thus their stock, does that mean my investment today is bad? Absolutely not.

Your argument is completely fallacious. And I said the same thing when people said NIU didn't deserve their BCS bid because they lost. Winning or losing the game has nothing to do with whether they deserved to be there in the first place. It didn't last year when Alabama won and it doesn't this year when NIU loses or Louisville wins.

Then why were they not able to win their conference?
Because Georgia was better than Florida. But your argument that 7-5 Wisconsin is better than 11-1 Florida, simply because Georgia is better than Florida, is all kinds of silly and you should be ashamed of yourself for even suggesting it.

No, I'm saying that If you're gonna have conferences, then ALL conference champions should be in the game.
And I'm saying you're just being silly.

A National Championship without representation from all conferences means that it's a regional championship and certain regions are excluded because they weren't thought of as highly because of the region they play in.
And because they weren't as good.

The National Champion represents the very best team in the country. If you've lost twice, you're clearly not the best team in the country. As I said before, if a team runs the table and is undefeated, I could buy your argument as reasonable. But when Louisville plays in a ridiculously weak conference and still loses two games in the conference, they're clearly not the best team.

I said eliminate conferences for one sport, not all sports.
Who is going to eliminate the conference? The NCAA has no control over them. Hell, the NCAA really has little control over the whole BCS system (which I think is stupid, but whatever).

Your suggestion to eliminate conferences is beyond stupid, it's completely irrational, because the only people who have the power to disband conferences are the people who understand the benefits the conferences bring. You need to come back to reality.

And TV Contracts can just as easily be done by the team, or the entirety of the NCAA. Hell, Notre Dame has its own TV Contract, and Texas has it's own Network.
And if Missouri could have their own TV contract and its own network, they would. The same goes for Vanderbilt, Florida State, Oklahoma, USC, Oregon, and just about every other team in the country. But the fact is they simply are not strong enough to do so. Notre Dame and Texas are the two biggest football programs in the country. That's why they can do those things.

And Revenue Sharing should be shared throughout all the FBS teams, not just the conferences.
Again, you don't seem to understand that the NCAA doesn't control the institutions. The NCAA is not the NFL, they don't have control over the teams within. You don't seem to understand this very basic and very important concept.

Brand building? What better way to build a brand then to get into a national championship tournament?
To join a conference like the SEC, where the brand has already been built and you just reap the benefits of playing in it, while they reap the benefits of expanding their influence.

Common sense, you need to find it soon.

You've yet to name on thing that Conferences do that can't be done better without conferences.
Only because you ridiculously think those things can be done by individual schools, when common sense would tell you it cannot. Just because your understanding of college sports is incredibly limited, it doesn't change the fact I'm right.

That's something we can agree on.

Just like we can agree that Louisville is kicking Floridas ass.
Yup. The first we agree on and the second we agree on. Where we differ on the second is whether we engage a fallacious argument. You want to, I don't.
 
Really looking forward to tonight's game. Should be a great one. Will be rooting hard for Kansas State though. In case you haven't been able to tell from my past college football posts, I can't fucking stand Oregon.
 
Really looking forward to tonight's game. Should be a great one. Will be rooting hard for Kansas State though. In case you haven't been able to tell from my past college football posts, I can't fucking stand Oregon.

I've seen both teams a couple of times. I think the only question is whether Oregon will win a close game or a blowout.


One qualifier to that. Much like we saw with Florida, the long layoff is always an unpredictable factor. But if Oregon plays the way we saw for most of the year, even the way they played in their loss to Stanford, Oregon will win I believe.
 
Huge stop by the Oregon D on 4th down. Silly call by Snyder to go for it on 4th down so early in the game, now Ducks have great field position.
 
I missed it. I've been waiting for an hour and a half for the start of this game, I go a half mile to Burger King to get a milk shake, and I miss the kickoff return TD.

I was pissed.
 
For Stormtrooper's sake, I hope Oregon doesn't win. Oregon didn't win their conference, but if they win the game, that'll prove Oregon belonged in the game according to Stormtrooper.

Stormtrooper will be all kinds of confused. ;)
 
For Stormtrooper's sake, I hope Oregon doesn't win. Oregon didn't win their conference, but if they win the game, that'll prove Oregon belonged in the game according to Stormtrooper.

Stormtrooper will be all kinds of confused. ;)

Poor Stormtrooper.
 
It seems that my Gators incited quite the argument on here. While I don't want to get into it because there's no way I'll be seen as unbiased, I will say that it's a bit silly to suggest that a team with 4 wins over top 10 opponents doesn't deserve to be in a BCS game because they lost one game to another top 10 opponent by a touchdown. That's insane. Nobody else in college football has that resume and they absolutely deserved to be there.

Now, did they show up? Not at all. It seemed to be that Louisville had something to prove whereas Florida all of a sudden was playing guys like Brian Poole who hadn't played all year. Top recruit last year but not a guy usually in the two deep. I honestly got the feeling that Will Muschamp was trying things out for next year and not really that concerned with the outcome of the game. That said, he was up against Charlie Strong who won two national titles with Florida and is a heck of a coach. He had something to prove, especially in keeping that job over jumping to the SEC to coach Tennessee and his team played flawless ball. Hats off to them.

Stormtrooper man, you're my boy and all since we both like the Yankees but your logic was flawed here. I'm not going to tell you that Florida is a complete team or oversell my team. What I will say is that this team overachieved all year. They were supposed to win 8 games at best and they won 11 in the regular season and were a turnover in the endzone away from the SEC title game. They exceeded expectations and an incredible resume. The fact that they lost their BCS bowl doesn't change that. They belonged in the game but didn't play well in it. Much of that is on our braindead QB but that's not here nor there. They should have been there and there's no argument to be made that they shouldn't.
 
This isn't going how I wanted it to.

Tell me about it. Notre Dame looks tight, and had two calls go against them which could have given them a little bit of relaxation (Eifert's catch and the completely bullshit penalty on the punt).

But Alabama just looks physically dominant right now, and more than that, Notre Dame seems as if they keep calling the wrong defensive play.
 

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