NCAA Football LD 2012-2013 Season

[Slyfox696]

Using your logic, neither did Nebraska, UCLA, Mississippi State, USC, NC State, West Virginia, Wisconsin, or Duke.


Northern Illinois deserved what it got. It earned the right to be in a BCS bowl by being a top 16 team after the regular season and winning its conference. Just because they didn't win doesn't mean they didn't deserve to be there.

Northern Illinois deserved to be in the Orange Bowl more then Wisconsin deserved to be in the Rose Bowl. Yet where's the outrage for Wisconsin being in the Rose Bowl?

Or how about Louisville, who is ranked lower than NIU as well with a schedule hardly significantly more difficult.

Let's face it, NIU didn't deserve to be there. They got in through a loophole. But neither should Wisconsin or Louisville. The fact Georgia was only 5 yards away from playing in the National Championship game, only to be shut out of the BCS completely is asinine.

 

[Con T.]

Or how about Louisville, who is ranked lower than NIU as well with a schedule hardly significantly more difficult.

Let's face it, NIU didn't deserve to be there. They got in through a loophole. But neither should Wisconsin or Louisville. The fact Georgia was only 5 yards away from playing in the National Championship game, only to be shut out of the BCS completely is asinine.

This is more my point than anything else. That the system is stupid, and using the system to try and defend it with this logic (cough, Stormtrooper) is absolutely asinine, because it's going to lead to games like last night, and tonight when Louisville is sent to slaughter.

 

[Slyfox696]

This is more my point than anything else.

Understood. I'm just saying you can't use a result to justify the position they didn't "deserve" it. Whether they "deserved" it is based entirely on their body of work previous to last night. You can say they didn't belong after watching the game, but not deserved.

Make sense?

 

[Con T.]

Understood. I'm just saying you can't use a result to justify the position they didn't "deserve" it. Whether they "deserved" it is based entirely on their body of work previous to last night. You can say they didn't belong after watching the game, but not deserved.

Make sense?

Well, yes. Though there were people that believed their body of work deserved a BCS bowl berth, that wouldn't be convinced until they saw the result.

Not saying the result is all that meaningful, but if anyone still believes NIU deserved its place, or Louisville does now, well, now can we fully conclude they didn't?

 

[jmt225]

Louisville couldn't have asked for a better start. Surprising. Maybe LSU won't be the only SEC team to embarrass themselves this bowl season.

 

[AndThat'sTheBottomLine]

Florida's playing flat as hell tonight.

 

[jmt225]

Wow... Florida caught a break there. If Louisville picks that off, Florida would have been in deep shit.

 

[AndThat'sTheBottomLine]

They really need to get the touchdown here.

 

[jmt225]

This isn't about Florida not showing up to play to the best of their abilities; this is just Louisville kicking the shit out of them and flat out being the superior team to this point. VERY impressive.

 

[Stormtrooper]

This isn't about Florida not showing up to play to the best of their abilities; this is just Louisville kicking the shit out of them and flat out being the superior team to this point. VERY impressive.

But don't tell anyone that, because they don't belong and didn't deserve to be there.

And yes, this is an awesome performance in half #1 for Louisville. There's still over 30 minutes of game time left, so it's not over yet.

 

[Slyfox696]

But don't tell anyone that, because they don't belong and didn't deserve to be there.

They don't deserve to be there.

 

[Stormtrooper]

They don't deserve to be there.

There is virtually no reason they DON'T deserve to be there. They won their conference. They won more then Florida. Florida did not win their conference.

I'm sorry, but winning your conference should mean more then losing your conference. Yeah, Florida deserved the at large bid, but they were not good enough to win their conference.

In Basketball, does the winner of the WAC conference not deserve a spot in the tournament? Sorry, but they do, they won their conference. You win, you EARNED the right to move on. You LOSE (which Florida did) you DON'T EARN the right to move on, you may get LUCKY (which they did).

If you ask me, they should have expanded the BCS to include enough games for every conference champion. And if they ever expand the playoff, they should include every conference champion. If they don't, they the first thing they need to do is disband all the conferences, because they are pointless.

 

[jmt225]

What great awareness by Louisville to recover that onside kick. You can tell this is a very well coached team.

 

[jmt225]

Wow!!! TREMENDOUS playcall.

This game is still far from over, but Louisville has played a PERFECT game to this point.

 

[Stormtrooper]

What great awareness by Louisville to recover that onside kick. You can tell this is a very well coached team.

Absolutely.

And as they said on the broadcast, stupid ass call to even try the onside kick. They had the momentum from the late TD, then give it all back. This team was well coached all first half, yet Florida gambled they wouldn't be well coached there, and not only did it backfire, but it resulted in an ejection.

 

[Con T.]

There is virtually no reason they DON'T deserve to be there. They won their conference. They won more then Florida. Florida did not win their conference.

I'm sorry, but winning your conference should mean more then losing your conference. Yeah, Florida deserved the at large bid, but they were not good enough to win their conference.

In Basketball, does the winner of the WAC conference not deserve a spot in the tournament? Sorry, but they do, they won their conference. You win, you EARNED the right to move on. You LOSE (which Florida did) you DON'T EARN the right to move on, you may get LUCKY (which they did).

If you ask me, they should have expanded the BCS to include enough games for every conference champion. And if they ever expand the playoff, they should include every conference champion. If they don't, they the first thing they need to do is disband all the conferences, because they are pointless.

Comparing the postseason of basketball and football, and believing every conference champion should get a chance at the national title.

The mating call of an absolute moron, ladies and gents

 

[Slyfox696]

How stupid do you have to be to get thrown out of a BCS game for punching someone in the facemask.

Scratch that, how fucking stupid do you have to be to actually punch someone in the facemask. What, do you think the person on the other side of the punch is going to suffer an injury from the whoosh of air through the face guard?

Moron.

There is virtually no reason they DON'T deserve to be there. They won their conference.

With two losses in conference, in a wretched conference.

They won more then Florida.

Uhh, Louisville was 10-2. Florida was 11-1.

I'm sorry, but winning your conference should mean more then losing your conference.

Only if you're undefeated. Winning the conference with two losses is not impressive at all, especially when it's such a terrible conference.

Yeah, Florida deserved the at large bid, but they were not good enough to win their conference.

Only because the 1 team they lost to played in their division.

In Basketball, does the winner of the WAC conference not deserve a spot in the tournament?

In basketball, the WAC conference winner doesn't get in ahead of the ACC #2.

Sorry, but they do, they won their conference. You win, you EARNED the right to move on. You LOSE (which Florida did) you DON'T EARN the right to move on, you may get LUCKY (which they did).

Disagree completely. If you win the conference undefeated (in conference, and especially overall) then I completely agree. But losing two games a in conference so weak it's about to fold is hardly indicative of deserving to be there.

If you ask me, they should have expanded the BCS to include enough games for every conference champion. And if they ever expand the playoff, they should include every conference champion.

No, it shouldn't. It should include the teams that deserve to be there. Are you telling me Wisconsin would deserve a spot in an 8 team playoff this year? That's fucking ridiculous.

If they don't, they the first thing they need to do is disband all the conferences, because they are pointless.

Not pointless at all. Conferences serve many uses, not just to determine BCS positions.

 

[Mr Mikey Mike]

Big stop by Florida's D but their offense is shit so it probably won't matter.

 

[Slyfox696]

Florida is just imploding on live TV.

 

[Stormtrooper]

With two losses in conference, in a wretched conference.

Uhh, Louisville was 10-2. Florida was 11-1.

Again, they won their conference, Florida didn't. Hence, Louisville won something, Florida didn't.

Only if you're undefeated. Winning the conference with two losses is not impressive at all, especially when it's such a terrible conference.

You know what isn't at all impressive? Not being good enough to win your conference.

Only because the 1 team they lost to played in their division.

Well then they should have beaten them, I guess. Since they didn't, they didn't win anything.

In basketball, the WAC conference winner doesn't get in ahead of the ACC #2.

If I recall correctly, all conference champions get in. Either way, if you're gonna have conferences, then they should all get in, and those schools get robbed if they don't.

Disagree completely. If you win the conference undefeated (in conference, and especially overall) then I completely agree. But losing two games a in conference so weak it's about to fold is hardly indicative of deserving to be there.

It's so weak that they are beating the fuck out of Florida right now, who was supposedly the #2 team in the SEC.

No, it shouldn't. It should include the teams that deserve to be there. Are you telling me Wisconsin would deserve a spot in an 8 team playoff this year? That's fucking ridiculous.
Are you telling me that Florida, who didn't win shit this year, deserves a spot? They don't. They are as highly regarded as they are because they play in the SEC.

Not pointless at all. Conferences serve many uses, not just to determine BCS positions.

Not in 2012 they don't. It makes scheduling easier, but there's a MUCH easier way to do it (for Football, since it's an entirely broken system that even the 4 team playoff won't fix)

1. Eliminate ALL conferences
2. computer generate a 13 game schedule for all teams, including 2 rivalry games for each school then 11 random matchups, generating an even schedule for all FBS Schools.
3. Then have an 8 or 16 team Playoff and have a bunch of bowl games (or a losers tournament like the NIT is in basketball).

This eliminates "Strength of Schedule" from voting parameters, meaning that wins and losses would actually matter, not what conference you're in.

And not only that, but eventually schools that have no shot of a National Championship like Boise State or something will be able to compete for one, since they won't be held out of it by the AQ conferences (which they are now).

 

[Stormtrooper]

Florida is just imploding on live TV.

They're opponents are just clearly outplaying them.

 

[Con T.]

Again, they won their conference, Florida didn't. Hence, Louisville won something, Florida didn't.

And when your conference is absolute trash, and you lose two games to said trash, what does that say about you?

You know what isn't at all impressive? Not being good enough to win your conference.

And when you're only loss is to a team in the top 10, who was 5 yards from playing for the national title?

Right, convince me the team that lost to UConn is really better. Sod off with that, really.

Well then they should have beaten them, I guess. Since they didn't, they didn't win anything.

Worth noting here; Louisville didn't technically win anything. They were actually in a 4 team tie for the Big East crown, and got the nod by being higher ranked.

Right, guess Louisville should have actually won their conference, too.

If I recall correctly, all conference champions get in. Either way, if you're gonna have conferences, then they should all get in, and those schools get robbed if they don't.

Did you not watch what just happened to Northern Illinois? I can remind you.

It's so weak that they are beating the fuck out of Florida right now, who was supposedly the #2 team in the SEC.

Yes, because that's entirely indicative of both teams worth in the season, right?

Are you telling me that Florida, who didn't win shit this year, deserves a spot? They don't. They are as highly regarded as they are because they play in the SEC.

I'm telling you they deserved it more than Louisville

Not in 2012 they don't. It makes scheduling easier, but there's a MUCH easier way to do it (for Football, since it's an entirely broken system that even the 4 team playoff won't fix)

1. Eliminate ALL conferences
2. computer generate a 13 game schedule for all teams, including 2 rivalry games for each school then 11 random matchups, generating an even schedule for all FBS Schools.
3. Then have an 8 or 16 team Playoff and have a bunch of bowl games (or a losers tournament like the NIT is in basketball).

And do tell, what does any of this inane plan solve?

And not only that, but eventually schools that have no shot of a National Championship like Boise State or something will be able to compete for one, since they won't be held out of it by the AQ conferences (which they are now).

No, they aren't. Who's holding out of them out of anything? If anything, it's never been easier for a non-AQ team to make the BCS. Your plan offers really nothing but logistical issues for everyone, scheduling headaches, traveling nightmares, and absolute clusterfuckery.


Woo hoo.

 

[Slyfox696]

Again, they won their conference, Florida didn't. Hence, Louisville won something, Florida didn't.

Arkansas State won their conference too, do they also deserve a BCS bowl berth ahead of Florida?

Your logic is silly.

You know what isn't at all impressive?

Louisville's resume coming into tonight?

Well then they should have beaten them, I guess. Since they didn't, they didn't win anything.

So one loss to the team that was 5 yards away from playing in the National Championship is now less impressive than losing TWO games in a weak conference?

You cannot believe what you're saying.

If I recall correctly, all conference champions get in.

Only because there are 64/5/8 teams (however many it is now). Back when the NIT was the dominant tournament at the end of the year, the conference champions didn't. And there's no way an ACC #2 would be left out in favor of the OVC champion. You're just being silly if you say otherwise.

Either way, if you're gonna have conferences, then they should all get in, and those schools get robbed if they don't.

That's a nonsensical argument, for many reasons I don't feel like detailing right now.

It's so weak that they are beating the fuck out of Florida right now, who was supposedly the #2 team in the SEC.

Like I said before the game even started, what happens in the game doesn't change the resume before the game. We're talking about whether they deserved the spot, not if they can win in the spot. Two completely different arguments.

Are you telling me that Florida, who didn't win shit this year, deserves a spot?

Far more than Wisconsin at 7-5 does.

They don't. They are as highly regarded as they are because they play in the SEC.

And because they didn't go 7-5 in a piss bucket Big 10.

The fact you're sitting there, presumably with a straight face, trying to tell me Wisconsin deserves a spot in our fictional playoff more than Florida does suggests to me it's not worth wasting my time on you anymore tonight. You are talking complete nonsense.

Let's just say we both hope Notre Dame wipes the floor with Alabama and call it a night.

Not in 2012 they don't. It makes scheduling easier

And TV contracts, revenue sharing, brand building, organization of brands, drawing more income, allowing for other sports to exist under Title 9, etc.

Conferences do far more than just keep certain teams from big games.

 

[Stormtrooper]

And when your conference is absolute trash, and you lose two games to said trash, what does that say about you?

That they are a better team then Florida, who is the "#2 team" in the SEC.

And when you're only loss is to a team in the top 10, who was 5 yards from playing for the national title?

They should have won the game. They placed themselves on a higher pedestal based on their conference, and they can't get the job done.

Right, convince me the team that lost to UConn is really better. Sod off with that, really.

They're beating the fuck out of Florida. They're better coached and playing better.

Worth noting here; Louisville didn't technically win anything. They were actually in a 4 team tie for the Big East crown, and got the nod by being higher ranked.

And they won the conference based on higher ranking, hence they won the conference, and EARNED the BCS Bowl berth.

Right, guess Louisville should have actually won their conference, too.

They did.

Did you not watch what just happened to Northern Illinois? I can remind you.

Yeah, they lost to a team that was better then them. It happens. Just like Florida is getting the shit kicked out of them by a better team.

Yes, because that's entirely indicative of both teams worth in the season, right?

Well you're trying to use Louisville losing to UConn to measure them, so yeah, this game is a good measuring stick of who is better between these 2 teams, considering it's the 2 fucking teams we are talking about.

I'm telling you they deserved it more than Louisville

And I'm telling you you're an idiot.

And do tell, what does any of this inane plan solve?

It ends the Big 12, Big 10, Pac 12, SEC domination that is ruining College Football. It gives smaller schools a chance to win the National Championship.

No, they aren't. Who's holding out of them out of anything? If anything, it's never been easier for a non-AQ team to make the BCS. Your plan offers really nothing but logistical issues for everyone, scheduling headaches, traveling nightmares, and absolute clusterfuckery.
Yeah, they make it to the BCS. Good for them. They still have zero chance of winning the National Championship.

There are no scheduling headaches, it's done by fucking computers. And Travel isn't an issue anymore, it's 2012, not 1900. Fly your fucking team to the game. They can afford it.

 

[Mighty NorCal]

This tonight, and watching NIU come very close to making it a 17 - 17 game late, is one of the biggest reasons college football fucking rocks.