NBA Offseason

The Cavs could compete if they just, you know, played better basketball? Try that iso junk against a machine like GS and you have no chance. The Cavs could've added Wade, Carmelo and Paul George and would still lose. Their style (which is also just poor coaching) is their problem, not their talent.

Hoping a team like Boston can compete next year with an additional piece and play the right way.
 
hahaha. Lebron is coming out of the east. Hayward is a third man not a second or first option. He's better than Horford but that doesnt mean shit
 
A11oftheLights said:
hahaha. Lebron is coming out of the east. Hayward is a third man not a second or first option. He's better than Horford but that doesnt mean shit
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Lebron is better than anyone GS has as well. If Boston plays TEAM ball and plays efficiently with the talent they may have next season, they will be a far larger threat to Cleveland than they were this season. Team ball can beat one superstar and a bunch of isolation garbage. Golden State is great because they are the most efficient offense possibly in NBA history. That's the real reason they are so successful (when healthy).
 
Hayward/horford/Thomas is a better 3 than when Mislap/Horford/Teague were in Atlanta and they won 22 games ina row or something ridiculous like that. I know what made the Hawks so good that year was that they had better ball movement than the Spurs but Brad Stevens is probably only matched by 2 or 3 guys in the league in terms of coaching, so if anyone could do what those Hawks did but carry that into the postseason as well, then it's Brad Stevens who could do that. With a better all round squad and Lebron caring less and less about regular season every year, I am expecting Boston to take the first seed and atleast challenge Cavs in 6 games.
 
Heyward is a very talented player. In fact, I wouldn't he surprised if he's Boston's best player by the end of the season.

It don't matter, as long as LeBron is in the East, it's his conference.
 
I'm glad that Hayward went to Boston. He get's better and better year in and year out. He's a very very good player and if the Celtics play well enough together, the could possibly challenge the Cavs and win. I just hope that the Boston fans aren't expecting him to be the next coming of Larry Bird. Please don't treat him like that. He was never going to be THAT!!!!
 
Hayward really came into his own the last two seasons. He was never a great player but he was good although inconsistent. He literally would have an up season, shooting north of 40% from beyond the arch, then the next season shooting just a shade over 30%. This happened for the first four years until he leveled off the last two seasons at 37-38% while increasing his scoring. I don't know if he will surpass IT, but he will be a very good #2.

Rumors are that now that Boston got Hayward, they are eying Pau Gasol.
 
Rainbow Yaz said:
Hayward really came into his own the last two seasons. He was never a great player but he was good although inconsistent. He literally would have an up season, shooting north of 40% from beyond the arch, then the next season shooting just a shade over 30%. This happened for the first four years until he leveled off the last two seasons at 37-38% while increasing his scoring. I don't know if he will surpass IT, but he will be a very good #2.

Rumors are that now that Boston got Hayward, they are eying Pau Gasol.
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A starting 5 of IT, Bradley, Hayward, Gasol, and Horford would be a pretty dope starting 5... but it's not toppling Kyrie Irving and LeBron James.

I also think 3/5 of those guys could see major drop offs over the next two seasons. Gasol is well passed his prime, and Horford is approaching that territory. IT is the 3rd for me as little guys who play hard around the basket don't typically age well, not to mentions he's already coming off an injury.
 
JGlass said:
A starting 5 of IT, Bradley, Hayward, Gasol, and Horford would be a pretty dope starting 5... but it's not toppling Kyrie Irving and LeBron James.

I also think 3/5 of those guys could see major drop offs over the next two seasons. Gasol is well passed his prime, and Horford is approaching that territory. IT is the 3rd for me as little guys who play hard around the basket don't typically age well, not to mentions he's already coming off an injury.
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Remember the year IT was drafted, he was the last guy picked? The guy the Kings picked before him? Jimmer Fridette! What a mistake that was.

I totally agree that Pau is past his prime. He could still play good minutes and his post game is solid, but he isn't gonna anchor a lineup. Horford probably still has a couple years before his decline but if you want to compete with LBJ you need a good rim protector and Horford doesn't exactly fit that mold. IT I believe will come back strong. He is the kind of guy who plays angry and wants to prove it was a mistake to skip over him in the draft. You are right though, his body isn't built to attack the basket like he does.

I do agree with Nick's point that if the Celts can play team ball, it's their best chance to topple the Cavs. Even if that were to happen, they need an entire series where LBJ and Kyrie play that hero ball where they don't trust Love and basically play a two man game. That does happen here and there, but never consistently.
 
Dunno how I missed it but I was under the assumption Boston could just sign Hayward without giving up a few guys that aren't on the minimum. Apparently Crowder, Bradley or Smart have to go to create room for Hayward and it actually might be a sign and trade deal for Crowder to go to the Jazz. If I was Boston I would look to move Smart over Bradley or Crowder, but losing any of those guy damages some of the gain they got from Hayward signing. Crowder probably gets you the best assests back but you can't take anything but draft picks basically, so what's the point. Already losing Olynk and Johnson (who are only role players) and then another big piece to the rotation could be damaging. I guess you got young guys ready to come on though, but still. Warriors did fine with whiping their team to get Durant so let's see how well the Celtics can handle it.

Edit: Kinda scrap that. If they get rid of basically everyone (Gerald Green, Jerebko, Rozier, minimums) they'll be only $300,000 short of signing Hayward to the max. Surely you try and keep the team together over $300,000.
 
For the amount of money, I think it's a real bad deal. It's only a year so im overreacting a bit but I wouldn't pay 5 mill for someone who can shoot a 3. Is pretty much what Brandon Rush was for them two years ago, so it's proven to be a good fit but then again who isn't a good fit for the Warriors.
 
Definitely a bad deal. Nick Young is locker room cancer, too much ego. Cant believe people think that boston are suddenly a chance again. When they missed out on George everyone thought that was it, Lebron has the East again. What does Hayward change exactly? Look at how big the gap was in the conference finals
 
Young is a slightly above average player who is only famous because he has a unique nickname and was the best player on some bottom feeding Lakers team. He isn't even that good a three point guy. If he was half a good as they was in his mind, he would make LBJ look like LaVarr Ball.

Plus you know, he was into Iggy Azalia.
 
Very happy with the deal Miami got for Waiters. He's a solid player, no way a star but definitely a nice piece, and I think Pat Riley has him in check. It also helps that Dion has a massive hard on for Pat Riley, did anyone read the article he wrote talking about how Pat recruited him.

Just need a star and then probably a second or third option (hopefully Winslow or Bam Adeboyo can become one or bothof them) to have us anywhere near contending again but with the Bulls and Pacers turning to shit and hopefully we can build on the great finish to last season we can climb to the fifth seed, should be back in the playoffs at least which is good. Also have some cap room due to Bosh unfortunately being forced in to retirement
 
Nick Young is a solid talent. He won't be allowed to act like an idiot, that team won't have it. He will either contribute properly or just won't be there.

I love teams like what Boston may end up being - no true superstar, just a lot of really good players. The defensive strategy against the Cavs should how the Pistons handled the Lakers in 2004. Allow Lebron and Irving (Shaq and Kobe) to do whatever they want, but completely shut down everyone else. Not sure Boston has the defense to do that, but they should at least give it a shot.
 
There's rumors going around now that Boston are trying to get a deal for Marc Gasol done. Could you imagine a startling lineup of IT, Hayward, Horford, and Marc Gasol? Tell me that they wouldn't compete with the Cavs then. Unfortunately, though, there is literally no way that they could accomplish this deal without getting rid of either Horford, IT, or Hayward. Unless, of course, Memphis would take a bunch of bench players and some really good first round picks. I don't see it happening, but it would definitely change the power in the Leastern Conference. Shout out to Skip Bayless.
 
I'm of the mind that Boston should not resign IT after his deal is up. He's a beast yes, but like it's been said these little guys don't tend to age we'll. Thomas to me isn't worth a max deal. I'd rather keep Bradley since he can play both ways, and let Smaht play pg. Smart Bradley Hayward Horford, with Brown n Tatum and more 1sts will be fine. Giving IT a max deal would be Boston's biggest mistake, and I'm a Celtics fan
 
Miami have now spent 50 mill each on Tyler Johnson and Kelly Olynk. I'd put Waiters there to but he had a decent season last year. I know you need Johnsons and Olynks in your team but please, both haven't gotten off the bench.
 
I think Pat Riley and to an extent Eric Spolstra are good at finding hidden gems and have shown a decent eye for veteran talent that are ripe for a resurgence. Olynk doesn't seem to fit either mold. Was he a lottery pick? I forget but his career numbers are not good at all. Less than ten points and five rebounds per game as a center. Yeah he only averages a tad over twenty minutes a game, but he is soft and kind of a dick who uses the NBA's bullshit rules on fighting to get away with essentially being the basketball equivilant of a hockey goon.

Even with the Pacers going full rebuild after waiving Monta Ellis, and the Bulls deciding that they also want to suck, I don't think the Heat are going to be in a position to challenge for more than a low seed in the East. I know I just praised Riley and Spolstra, and they deserve that praise, but I think their style of team building has or at least is quickly falling out of favor.
 
Yea Olynyk was fringe lottery, Celts took him at 13. I've always liked him, he is what he is, but 4 yrs n 50 mil for him is ridiculous. Props to him tho, everyone gotta get what they can
 
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