Mr. McMahon, take pointers from Dixie Carter in how to act like an Authority Figure

[Ambiguous Turd]

Yes, you read that correctly. This was something that came up in the big Raw Live Discussion last night.

No, I am not saying Vince should take acting lessons from Dixie, but rather, that he should follow through with how she conducts herself as an on-screen persona as the head of TNA.

(EDIT: I had to go back and put that in bold because quite a few people in this thread are incapable of reading and understanding my actual position)


It's time for those that are marks for Vince McMahon to come clean and admit the truth ... Mr. McMahon as a character on TV is stale, and has been stale for some time now.

I see everyone get on the case of people like Jerry Lawler, John Cena, and others for being stale, and yes, you are absolutely correct in those allegations, as well. But that shouldn't take away from the fact that Mr. McMahon, as an on-screen character is completely and totally stale.





We have seen every form of Vince known to man. We saw:

"Announcer Vince" in the 80's and early 90's

Then, we saw Vince play a real life version of himself when he screwed Bret.

After that, it evolved into a very frustrated version of his real life self when he began feuding with Austin.

We've seen Higher Power Vince.

This then somehow evolved into a very Over the Top and ridiculous Mr. McMahon persona today who Powerwalks to the ring every week, with a couple variations along the way such as:

"I want a divorce" Vince, who wanted a divorce from his wife.

We've seen "Crazy" Vince, who lost his marbles after losing the ECW Title, of all things, to Bobby Lashley.

We've seen "I can't stand my children" Vince- when he was feuding with the WCW and ECW Alliance when he fired Shane and Stephanie from his company.

Also, "I beat up women" Vince when he was in a program with wrestling his very own daughter Stephanie in a match.

We've seen "Cheating" Vince who flaunted his affairs in front of Linda McMahon.

We've seen "All about the MONAAAAAY" Vince which was a miserable failure and never caught on when Vince faked his death and felt his family was just out for his inheritance.

We've seen "Father of his bastard son, Hornswoggle" Vince, who apparently did not have the resources that JBL had to determine that this was a fraud being pulled by Finlay and Vince's family.




Enough is Enough. Vince wants everyone else in his company toned down apparently, except for himself. I am tired of seeing the Over the Top Vince McMahon and am ready for a serious change.

If anything, Vince should realize this and be taking notes from what Dixie Carter is doing on TNA television. That's right. Dixie Carter essentially playing herself in worked shoot segments as ... you guessed it ... the TNA President. What a novel idea.

We've seen this Mr. McMahon character and all of his ridiculous over the top exaggerations of himself since 1998, and it's tired, it's exhaustive, it's stale, it's all been done before, and there is nothing left for Vince McMahon to do except go back to being himself ... the Chairman of the WWE and CEO.

Everyone that is on the "realism in wrestling" kick should be applauding this call for the change in Vince. Yes, I want to see something we haven't seen in a very long time from one of the central figures of WWE programming.

I want to see this person on TV that acts like a real, down to Earth, Chairman and CEO who is trying to look out for his company's best interests ... and place that person into some intriguing scenarios where he gets stressed out, threatened, and so forth from fellow WWE superstars.

I don't want to see the over-exaggerated reactions, the Power-walking on the way to the ring, the power-obsessed, outrageous Authority figure that has been on my TV screen for going on 12 years. Eventually all things have to come to an end and we need to see something else out of Vince we haven't seen in a very long time. And what that is, is for Vince to be real-life Vince McMahon, Chairman and CEO of World Wrestling Entertainment. No power-walking. No more "No Chance in Hell" or any theme music for that matter, and none of the other garbage.

So in many respects, YES Vince McMahon could very well be taking pointers from Dixie Carter at this point who is just being herself in worked shoot situations and storylines. This prolongs the freshness of the character and allows the person to act as a Tweener, and someone who is simply out there to try to do his job and maintain order and profitability for his company.

Again, what a novel concept.

Let's hear what each of you have to say.

 

[Toroc102]

Ehh, I dunno that I like Dixie Carters involvement with TNA. I think TNA's biggest problem is that it is a big jumbled mess with no real direction, and the multiple authority figures are an extention of that. I'd prefer it if one day she just came in and said, alright I'm sick of the confusion so and so, you are now my second in command, if I don't like how things are going I'll be back, and you'll have to answer to me. McMahon has been a character for so long, that it only gets stale to me when he's actually involved in a stroyline. For instance, it seems like he's going to be heavily involved with Bret, but for the purposes of that specific storyline, he'll probably need to be the jackass boss.

However if it were any other superstar, I'm very sick of the antagonistic boss angle, it was cool until he became the Higher Power and it's been old ever since. I like the idea of General Managers holding their programs down and as long as Vince isn't a continuing presence on any of the shows, I don't care which of his charcters he portrys when he does decide to OCCASIONALLY show up.

 

[Dagger Dias]

At first I disagreed with you, Sidious.... but I'll meet you halfway. Vince acting like Dixie in a tweener role where he just wants what's best for the federation.... that would certainly be something new and we have had so much heel Vince lately that it does become stale. However, you have to admit that usually when he comes out, you know that something big is about to happen. I think a happy medium between "insane evil boss" and "tweener chairman" would be a nice route to take because then Vince could still come out for controversial moments but we would be exposed to less of the stupid ones.

 

[Kenny Powers]

I think we need to see a tweener as well. Last night Vince came out as a tweener during his promo about Bret. The thing is though, how can Bret be a face or be in a Dixie Carter role when Bret Hart is coming back to the WWE?

The best thing for Vince would have to be the Evil boss but nothing over the top. He would have to be a heel because he was involved in the Screw job with Bret. It wouldn't make sense if Bret were to come back and Vince would only have a few words with him and sit in the back. There needs to be a power struggle or something to bring closure to this feud.

I hate all the variations of Vince's character in the recent years too though. I have liked his character recently though. Someone that comes on Raw or Smackdown occasionally without wrestling anyone or hogging television time. He is like an Ambassador of sorts. I would like to see Vince stay in the role he is at now, but I think we will see the old Evil Boss Vince once Bret comes in next week.

 

[Big Ol' Buckta AIDS]

I think your over analyzing Vince here. Most of these different "characters of Vince", save the announcer and Vince after the MSJ, are simply Face and Heel. To me, it seems as though your simply mentioning his feuds and or his reactions to them. I think this basically boils down to Vinny being a Face or a Heel. In which case I think he should not be a Face in the slightest sense of the word. but if he were to be heavily involved in a storyline, he must certainly be a heel. He has proved he can draw major heel heat, and that he is damn good at it. If he is not involved in a story line, then make them a tweener, like you said, which basically Dixie is. (At least for this last impact until hulk gets there).

 

[Brady12]

I don't think much of Dixie Carter. She does not come off as a commanding presence like Stephanie McMahon.

But I do see what you're getting at, Lord Sidious. But I would like to see McMahon play the straight laced boss of the company and let me tell you why.

Unlike Dixie, he has a commanding appearance. People are actually intimated by Vince and that is the stereo typical view of a boss. Be they jerks or good guys.

 

[SickJames]

Vince is fine the way he is. If anything he definately doesnt need to copycat TNA or Dixie.
I'll disagree with that just like a post made that said TNA should have a guy go undefeated at an event like Taker at Mania.
I say be original and dont copy.


If Dixie copied Vince it would be just as horrible.
And it's the exact same way if new wrestlers just mimicked established gimmicks it'd be boring.

Vince found something that does work and he should stick with it and also since you dont know him, I wouldnt make claims that he's like his character. I know wrestlers usually say it's all them with the volume turned way up, but people always have something bad to say about others. Especially celebs and I really dont get why people are so stuck on the personal lives of celebs, they are regular people. Like any of the critic's lives are so perfect

(that wasnt directed at you, I'm just saying)

Anyway I personally enjoy the character and I'll admit one thing. While he hasnt gotten stale there just isnt anyone to pass the ball meaning he had Stone Cold, Taker, Rock & others to play that role with, but now he's not in a McMahon Family Feud or a rivalry like he was with Shawn and "god"
anyway, Vince would need a character really good to feud with if he wanted to do a great rivalry like Austin/McMahon but he has something now
BRET HART

Vince needs to stick to the way he is because we wouldnt buy into him being any different now.
I dont care what anyone says, I know from experience. First impressions dont mean shit even when it comes to entertainment. And whether it's good or bad once you do something bad and people see you in a certain way they wont buy anything else and will always remain skeptical if there is a sudden claim of change or visual demonstration of such


Would you buy Austin coming back different?
It wouldnt be believeable for me and a lot of others I'm sure

I know ppl have changed the tone of their characters but they always go back to what works best or what ppl are use to. And even upgrade it

Undertaker coming out as a reborn Christian would kill his gimmick
Austin managing CM Punk after being saved would be bad
Vince not being over the top just wouldnt be the same

Characters dont get stale. I hate it when ppl are so quick to throw things out, it just sucks to think like that. That's why I dont follow trends. Notice how a new song can come out today, everyone loves it and then 7 months later the song is considered old. WTF is that about?!
Or clothes. Clothes dont go out of style and to be quite honest we should all be naked anyhow. That's how we were born and that's how we should live in our natural clothing, nothing.

Music doesnt get old. We have tons of bands out there that have been around a while, should they give it up and stop because they are stale for being around too long? or are we tired of hearing their voices on the radio singing the same type of songs? should they switch genres?

I just think why? Why give up being what gets you over?

You may not like it, but that's the Mr. McMahon character.


I just feel in this society ppl are overly negative and quick to throw out everything, not taking the time to embrace things over a lengthy period of time and see the magic in it. Just oh, we have this, we like this... eh now it's boring, give me something more, give me something new, something better

It really sounds like a society of whining kids without really whining, but thats what it is when it comes down to it because ppl love to complain

 

[johnnyblaze3:16]

im with sickjames McMahon has alot of great things to offer with his character like ie bringing back bret hart. how bad did it hurt vinnie to do what none thought would ever happen. that's like saying "hey, im sick of santa bringing me presents" i like to hate him and to me that puts him over way over. so sideous why dont you just go watch tna already and stop bashing wwe shareholders as you would call them. the wwe product will never be perfect but im still gonna watch raw next week insted of tna, all tna does is hire all wwe fired guys so if vince decided to not fire people tna would'nt exisit oh yea your a tna share holder so tell me whats great about hogan the nwo and bishoff coming abord eh? i liked hogan in his prime but what is he sixty now and a glory hog he will be tna champ in like tna in about a week

 

[Tastycles]

It all depends really. I agree that Vince's character is over the top, but it has to be as long as he keeps getting in the ring. Carter is fine as she is and Tunney was fine as he was, but those characters would have looked ridiculous in the ring. If McMahon is going to be booked the way he has been, he has to have a ludicrous character. Nobody is going to buy into Carter as she is now getting in the ring, because it doesn't make any sense. For an authority figure to do so, they have to be mental, which McMahon is.

McMahon is not likely to ever remove himself from the centre stage, so therefore the character should stay. What would be better all around is if Vince removed himself from the programming entirely, except for special occaisions. This is particularly true when he isn't in a storyline.

Subtracting his character isn't a particularly necessary move in my opinion, he doesn't remotely annoy me, but if you do subtract the character then you must also subtract the exposure, and while I'm sure advocates of this idea would suggest this is the best course of action, it is truly clutching at straws to expect McMahon to ever do that.

 

[ipewrestling.com]

Sidious, I agree with you completely on this. Vince as a heel boss is VERY stale, and its past time for a change.I for one would love to see a different side of Vince McMahon. He is, arguably, the most intriguing figure in sports entertainment history, and it would be very interesting to see a side of him that is along the lines of who he is away from the ring. I, as well as every other wrestling fan I'm sure, would like to sit down and pick his brain, see what makes him tick, and the afforementioned change, while not exactly what I'm speaking of, would be more along those lines. The "Mr. Mcmahon" character is boring, and changing it to be that of an actual CEO who makes decisions based on what's best for his business and is more based in reality, as opposed to an over-exaggerated 64yr old maniac, would open up new storyline ideas and possibilities.

 

[JJYanks121]

First off, no one should be taking on air tips from Dixie Carter. She is the actual owner of TNA and she comes off as less credible than Tiffany. She is merely the owner who just lets things happen below her. That is not exactly ground shattering.

So you suggest that Vince McMahon should be like that? This is a man that has always prided himself on NOT being the typical chairmen of a company. Keep in mind this real life man has put his body on the line in insane matches to show his company that he's willing to do most anything he asks of his wrestlers. That seems to be the Vince McMahon personality, not the Mr. McMahon character. That being the case, acting like a boring, CEO, suit type would be more acting than his character. I have a feeling that idea would get old pretty darn fast.

Thus I suggest a middle ground. One that mostly stays with what is going on now. I know it might change given Bret Hart's return, but the idea being that Vince's on air appearances be limited to "major announcements". Doing that makes him nothing but the man in charge. He's not a heel, not a face, not a tweener. He's just the boss. Now if that decision involves 2 wrestlers that are feuding, obviously his decision will come off as "heelish" or "face-ish", but given the infrequency of these appearances, it won't matter. If the day comes where an on air boss is needed again, perhaps the character will have to recreate itself, but for now, limit the appearances and just have a powerful presence. ...And keep the walk, it's amusing!

 

[Ambiguous Turd]

Will you Vince marks with your "Why would Vince want to copy anything off Dixie" give it a Fucking rest? Seriously.

I'm not talking about Vince taking any business pointers from Dixie. I'm talking about Vince McMahon losing the stale, boring, seen it all before "Mr. McMahon" character that we have seen on our TV screens for the past going on 12 years and giving us something different.

Someone explain to me why Vince is so hypocritical that he wants everyone else in the entire company toned down on television ... no more over-the-top characters or anything like that .... EXCEPT himself, of course.

What I stated that I advocate is Vince McMahon doing something we really haven't seen before .... act like a more normal business-person and ditch all the stuff we've seen already for the past 12 years. Something NEW on our TV screens.

Vince as a toned down Tweener CEO, who sometimes makes cut-throat decisions, other times pleases the fans ... and doesn't appear on TV quite as often.

Having a Tweener character like Vince makes things far more unpredictable when it comes to the quality of television. But yes, I advocate Vince do what Dixie is doing in playing a real life counterpart to her true self on TV.

Now, that would be for the long term, and give his character a much needed overhaul.

However, we also have to talk about how he should act with Bret. Again, I think this person who is put under stressful circumstances, would be a far more compelling character to see on TV then the same old responses, same old hissyfits, same old shouting on the mic, same old powerwalking while putting Bret and friends in handicap matches against his corporate allies, etc.

I am talking about a toned down and much more realistic Vince McMahon, CEO persona. Something new and refreshing that we really haven't seen since ... well, Vince actually "screwed" Bret back in 1997.

So will you all please dispense with the "Why should Vince copy anything off Dixie" crap and grasp the real concept of what is being advocated in this thread?

 

[MizMark]

Will you Vince marks with your "Why would Vince want to copy anything off Dixie" give it a Fucking rest? Seriously.

I'm not talking about Vince taking any business pointers from Dixie. I'm talking about Vince McMahon losing the stale, boring, seen it all before "Mr. McMahon" character that we have seen on our TV screens for the past going on 12 years and giving us something different.

Someone explain to me why Vince is so hypocritical that he wants everyone else in the entire company toned down on television ... no more over-the-top characters or anything like that .... EXCEPT himself, of course.

What I stated that I advocate is Vince McMahon doing something we really haven't seen before .... act like a more normal business-person and ditch all the stuff we've seen already for the past 12 years. Something NEW on our TV screens.

Vince as a toned down Tweener CEO, who sometimes makes cut-throat decisions, other times pleases the fans ... and doesn't appear on TV quite as often.

Having a Tweener character like Vince makes things far more unpredictable when it comes to the quality of television. But yes, I advocate Vince do what Dixie is doing in playing a real life counterpart to her true self on TV.

Now, that would be for the long term, and give his character a much needed overhaul.

However, we also have to talk about how he should act with Bret. Again, I think this person who is put under stressful circumstances, would be a far more compelling character to see on TV then the same old responses, same old hissyfits, same old shouting on the mic, same old powerwalking while putting Bret and friends in handicap matches against his corporate allies, etc.

I am talking about a toned down and much more realistic Vince McMahon, CEO persona. Something new and refreshing that we really haven't seen since ... well, Vince actually "screwed" Bret back in 1997.

So will you all please dispense with the "Why should Vince copy anything off Dixie" crap and grasp the real concept of what is being advocated in this thread?

Some very valid points in there, but how is Vince going to play that role with Bret Hart coming back? Maybe after the whole Bret thing yes, I'm all for it, but not at the minute. Wrong time for this thread IMO, after Mania would be the perfect time, because I agree that his character is a little stale and I'd like him to play a different role, but obviously with Hart coming in I want him to go full on heel.

If Vince is 'nice' to Bret it isn't going to sell well. IF he went full on heel and tried to screw him again (work) the fans would want Bret to beat the shit out of him, which would happen at Mania if it is possible. Or even for Bret to just lock the sharpshooter in.

Heel it up, get heat, and I mean real heat, and the fans will buy into it. It just sells more.

 

[Steamboat Ricky]

Will you Vince marks with your "Why would Vince want to copy anything off Dixie" give it a Fucking rest? Seriously.

When Dixie Carter revolutionizes an industry with her character, then maybe we'll give it a rest.

I'm not talking about Vince taking any business pointers from Dixie. I'm talking about Vince McMahon losing the stale, boring, seen it all before "Mr. McMahon" character that we have seen on our TV screens for the past going on 12 years and giving us something different.

So, wait. You want Vince to do something fresh and not boring by modeling himself after another person? That would seem unoriginal.

Someone explain to me why Vince is so hypocritical that he wants everyone else in the entire company toned down on television ... no more over-the-top characters or anything like that .... EXCEPT himself, of course.

Because Vince is the chairman of the company? I think that entitles him to do that.

What I stated that I advocate is Vince McMahon doing something we really haven't seen before .... act like a more normal business-person and ditch all the stuff we've seen already for the past 12 years. Something NEW on our TV screens.

Once again...not new. Dixie Carter is already doing it.

Vince as a toned down Tweener CEO, who sometimes makes cut-throat decisions, other times pleases the fans ... and doesn't appear on TV quite as often.

Why would I want him to do that? If Vince isn't on TV, then I don't get to see the power walk, or his sweet semi-comb-over. I literally laugh out loud at the sight of both of those.

Having a Tweener character like Vince makes things far more unpredictable when it comes to the quality of television. But yes, I advocate Vince do what Dixie is doing in playing a real life counterpart to her true self on TV.

How is what Vince did last night not a tweener role? He gave...he took away...then he gave back. Tweener.

Now, that would be for the long term, and give his character a much needed overhaul.

Which he doesn't need. He just needs more room to powerwalk.

However, we also have to talk about how he should act with Bret. Again, I think this person who is put under stressful circumstances, would be a far more compelling character to see on TV then the same old responses, same old hissyfits, same old shouting on the mic, same old powerwalking while putting Bret and friends in handicap matches against his corporate allies, etc.

He should act as a heel and put Bret over. That is what he does with all the legends, and finally, the Screwjob can be put to rest. And he should powerwalk for four months while Bret is signed to WWE.

I am talking about a toned down and much more realistic Vince McMahon, CEO persona. Something new and refreshing that we really haven't seen since ... well, Vince actually "screwed" Bret back in 1997.

Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. Why would they change Vince into a character that is relatively neutral when they finally bring Bret back. There's no drama there, Sid. People want to see Bret and Vince at each other's throats...not Bret irate at a Vince who is relatively indifferent.

So will you all please dispense with the "Why should Vince copy anything off Dixie" crap and grasp the real concept of what is being advocated in this thread?

No...I won't. Because it's not a good idea.

 

[klunderbunker]

Again, this is a bad idea.

Vince isn't like any other onscreen authority figure and that's what makes it work. As Kevin Sullivan said of Ric Flair having a gimmick change, "after we do that, let's go to the Yankee Stadium and change Mickey Mantle's number." Vince is a gimmick that works no matter when it is. He's completely over the top in a completely over the top company and business. he fits in perfectly and grabs people's attention. You notice Vince and he gets a reaction from people. WCW tried having people like Carter on TV in the early to mid 90s and it BOMBED. No one cared and the segments they had were boring as hell. Vince comes on the screen all over the top and arrogant and he gets your attention. That's the point of a TV character. Carter is like a high school principal: dull, cookie cutter shaped, and generic. Vince is a great character that a ton of people can relate to: the asshole boss.

 

[JJYanks121]

It was interesting that after my post is when our moderator decided to chime back in. I hope it wasn't an interpretation of what I said, because I talked solely about on screen characters and I will stick to that point. Dixie Carter was stale on screen after one appearance. She adds nothing to programming and gives off an aura of being able to be walked all over (and basically will when the rumored on screen battle ensues and she takes a back seat). Dixie is actually more like Linda McMahon and should be. These are people who should stick to being off the screen and working there if for no other reason than their television presence is incredibly weak and brings unbelievability to the product, not believability.

I think most of us agree that Vince shouldn't be on screen as much, and he hasn't been. His appearances are sporadic, especially on Raw and his character is essentially gone from programming. This will probably change if a storyline emerges with Bret Hart, but until that starts, we shouldn't really be having this discussion. It feels forced, essentially someone looking for a reason to complain. Let's cut the thread and reopen it a few weeks from now when we have a grasp of the Bret Hart storyline and the direction of the McMahon character within it.

 

[VintageWWE]

First off I would like to say that I haven't watched a single Impact show for more than two years so I really don't know what Dixie Carter is doing that would make anyone think her character is good. From what I hear I think most people think her onscreen character is just boring and why would Vince want to be boring. Vince is fine the way he is now. Vince will never change his power walk, his theme music, or the way he talks and he shouldn't have to. Yes we have seen almost every possible side of Vince but so what? Vince can get a pop when he needs one and heat when he wants that. There aren't that many people that can do what Vince does with the fans. It wouldn't make much sense to change a character that can get both a pop and heat. Vince has been Mr. McMahon for far to long to change now.

 

[X]

Totally have to disagree with you here Sid. Mainly because Dixie Carter is fucking terrible in TNA in whatever on-screen role she possesses. Be it talking down to the fans AND the wrestlers in one of the most embarrassing aired "pep talks" I've ever seen, to having her face on TV more and more with each increasing week, no one should be taking any pointers from Dixie Carter unless they're a middle aged woman who's trying to look fuckable.

The McMahon character is never going to go away. Ever. Stone Cold ensured that.

 

[BigRed007]

why would Vince take advice from some ditzy bleached blonde jezebel who's speechs yelling at her people makes Bush look like Einstein. The week where she yelled at everyone was such bad acting. Of course it was fake. They aren't going to put REAL politics on tv. She couldn't sell me a bottle of water in the middle of Death Valley at 110 degrees

 

[Turd Ferguson]

Vince McMahon acting straight-laced and by the book would never be accepted by WWE fans, and furthermore, it would be ridiculously out of place. Vince's character has been carved out for a long time now. He is what he is, which is extremely biased towards people he doesn't like, and the evil Mr. McMahon with the power-strut and other pomp and circumstance. And when he acts as a face under this character, it's not as fun. We're going to be getting a lot of Vince in the coming months as this Bret Hart feud starts to take off. Would this feud work with Vince being a Dixie Carter like character? Of course not. There's a lot of bad blood between the two, and it should be interesting to see where they take things. Furthermore, Dixie seems very nervous and out of place in the segments she's in. She's not meant to really be on television, and she could never act as a character well, which is why I'm sure she's going to kayfabe let Hogan run things so she can stay off television.

The WWE tried a straight-laced, by the book character with Mike Adamle not too long ago, and although I liked him for the most part (I think he should have been a bumbling idiot savant, who somehow in the end got results, like Michael Scott from The Office), he failed to connect with the crowd. It may have been that they had completely soured on him due to his commentary at that point, or it could have been that a straight-laced authority figure isn't fun for the fans.

Vince McMahon's character would never survive a drastic change like that. I think at this stage, he is his character for the rest of his career on television. Over the top Vince is what a lot of casual fans find funny or entertaining. He's known to casual fans as a crazy eccentric millionaire, and his character is suited as such. You know that Vince loves the stigma of being an unpredictable owner of the WWE as well. He likes being over-the-top and zany. Look no further than when he got into a spat with the owner of the Denver Nuggets. He relished every second talking down the actor, yelling YOU'RE AN EEEEEEEEENIS at him.

It's too bad Shane is leaving the company. I think he really would have connected with the crowd more than anything else in that role. Have Vince kayfabe give Shane control of the company so he can retire, and let Shane, who has always been more business-minded, run the company on television like a business. He also has the ability to get his hands dirty if needed.

 

[SickJames]

When Dixie Carter revolutionizes an industry with her character, then maybe we'll give it a rest.



So, wait. You want Vince to do something fresh and not boring by modeling himself after another person? That would seem unoriginal.



Because Vince is the chairman of the company? I think that entitles him to do that.



Once again...not new. Dixie Carter is already doing it.



Why would I want him to do that? If Vince isn't on TV, then I don't get to see the power walk, or his sweet semi-comb-over. I literally laugh out loud at the sight of both of those.



How is what Vince did last night not a tweener role? He gave...he took away...then he gave back. Tweener.



Which he doesn't need. He just needs more room to powerwalk.



He should act as a heel and put Bret over. That is what he does with all the legends, and finally, the Screwjob can be put to rest. And he should powerwalk for four months while Bret is signed to WWE.



Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. Why would they change Vince into a character that is relatively neutral when they finally bring Bret back. There's no drama there, Sid. People want to see Bret and Vince at each other's throats...not Bret irate at a Vince who is relatively indifferent.



No...I won't. Because it's not a good idea.

totally agree with everything you said

and btw Sid you said he's over the top but I disagree. As of the past few years he's not been as over the top and I dont think he has been since the God of McMahonism bit and then when he was ECW Champion


Anyway he was more on the side of a Face HHH earlier this year anyhow
He hasnt really been the mega heel he's known for recently

 

[school-of-hard-knocks]

I have a question for the original poster. You talk about all different variation of Vince McMahon that we have seen over the last 15-20 years. My question is, have we ever seen Vince McMahon who doesn't get a huge reaction whenever he comes out to the ring? So why change something that works so well? Whether you love him or hate Mr. McMahon character is over. And it is not gonna change just because you want it to change. Dixie Carter on the other hand... hmm... How can I put this nicely... No one cares about her.

 

[BigAdz]

To the OP: You're insane.


The only tip Vince should take off Dixie is how to be a boring, uncharismatic, one-dimensional character that barely even registers as the President of the company.
I'll play fair and say that Vince has been playing this game (HIS game) for a lot longer than Dixie and she has a long way to go before actually becoming an engaging, provoking character herself. But so far, not good.

I'd much rather see Vince's powerwalk into the ring, big noting his own juiced out arse than listen to Dixie making unconvincing, cliched speeches to the TNA locker room and looking irreconcilibly weak because of it. It's fine and good to have a kayfabe version of yourself as the president looking for the best for the company, but when she tries to shoot like that, considering we all know that her daddy funds the company and HOGAN now has final creative decisions, it's just an exercise in looking like a moron.

Looking like a moron's nothing new in wrestling but at least there was kayfabe to shield it. Hell, Vince even looks like a moron better than Dixie does. I'm not looking forward to having her as a regular staple on TNA tv in the future, unless she seriously steps up her game.

 

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To the OP: You're insane.

The only tip Vince should take off Dixie is how to be a boring, uncharismatic, one-dimensional character that barely even registers as the President of the company.
I'll play fair and say that Vince has been playing this game (HIS game) for a lot longer than Dixie and she has a long way to go before actually becoming an engaging, provoking character herself. But so far, not good.

I'd much rather see Vince's powerwalk into the ring, big noting his own juiced out arse than listen to Dixie making unconvincing, cliched speeches to the TNA locker room and looking irreconcilibly weak because of it. It's fine and good to have a kayfabe version of yourself as the president looking for the best for the company, but when she tries to shoot like that, considering we all know that her daddy funds the company and HOGAN now has final creative decisions, it's just an exercise in looking like a moron.

Looking like a moron's nothing new in wrestling but at least there was kayfabe to shield it. Hell, Vince even looks like a moron better than Dixie does. I'm not looking forward to having her as a regular staple on TNA tv in the future, unless she seriously steps up her game.

Being illiterate is nothing new in wrestling, either. Especially from fans.

If you would have actually read my OP, you would have seen that what I advocate is Vince to become a Tweener character like Dixie, in so far as the ROLE that she is currently playing as the Head of a Wrestling Company. I never said that Vince should take acting lessons from her, or anything.

Do people like you never get tired of seeing the same thing on TV for 12 years? How long have you watched wrestling, out of curiosity?

If Vince wants everyone else on the show toned down because that's the direction he wants to take his product, then why should he not tone himself down?

I advocated that Vince act like a regular Chairman and CEO of a company, who is placed in interesting scenarios and conflicts. As long as the interesting storylines are there, Vince can make it work.

Why do I advocate this? Because as I've explained at least 50 times in this thread, it gives people a NEW Mr. McMahon they haven't seen before, or perhaps at least since Mr. McMahon actually became a character on TV for the very first time (other than as an announcer).

Over-the-top Vince McMahon has been absolutely DONE TO DEATH and has been driven into the ground. Vince can make this new realistic character interesting ... very interesting. It simply is a matter of toning down the Over the Top CEO of WWE, and acting more realistic. But along with being realistic, he will be inserted into interesting storylines and angles .... but just have his over the top reactions and expressions toned down.

This really isn't hard people. You complain about stale characters. And Vince is one of the stalest on screen personas in the entire company.

A solution is offered to fix that. And people throw a fit because they are marks for Vince McMahon, and think I am telling him to emulate Dixie Carter on TV. I didn't say that.

What I said was that he should look at what she is doing with her on screen persona, keep it in mind with what she is doing in playing a true self brought to life on TV, and then Vince find his own adaptation of just that for himself.

Fucking read instead of letting your own markhood for Vince take precedence.

 

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I agree somewhat.

Personally, I find that the over the top persona only works when there's someone to legitimately challenge his power. Vince vs Austin and to a lesser degree, Vince vs Flair showed that IMO. The one thing I can't stand is how everyone kisses his ass. When Eric was around, the smartest thing would have been to have Eric plot against Vince in some way instead of being a kiss ass.

Toning down his over the top nature would be very positive though. Lets face it. We've seen everything that we can see at this point. What's left?