Want To Save TNA? Turn Dixie Carter Heel

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  1. Midnite Express 2009

    Midnite Express 2009 Getting Noticed By Management

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    I've been posting several threads in regards to TNA and its overall content here lately, especially in the wake of the main event fiasco at Victory Road last Sunday. I've gotten a lot of responses, which I appreciate, but something struck me as I was looking through various replies, something that I think could be major, IF done properly (and that's a HUGE IF people). That being, TNA deciding to turn Dixie Carter heel---like Mr. McMahon heel.

    Here's the deal: Almost nobody who is a fan of TNA likes Dixie Carter. This is real life heat she has in most fans eyes, not backstage "storyline" heat that a group of writers decided to spring upon us since there's a lack of credible heels in the company (see: Michael Cole). No, Dixie Carter has, over time, developed a hatred so big that she HAS to turn heel in order to save her company from going under. I believe most fans have very little, if any, faith in Carter, in fact, I believe that if a poll were taken, a high number of people asked would say she needs to either step down or be fired from the company altogether. THAT'S where he strength lies.

    Dixie Carter needs to exploit the heat she has and come out on a LIVE edition of Impact (do they actually have live editions) and turn heel. I mean, she needs to shoot as if she were shooting for the stars. Dixie should come out, stand in the ring for about 60 seconds and not say anything. Let the jeers come, don't egg them on. Just stand there and look at the crowd. Let the audience wonder what in the world is going on, then slowly put the mic to her mouth and start going at them. HARD.

    Tell the fans that she's read all the dirt sheets. She's read all the online garbage, all the cries for her to leave TNA. That she's an incompetent owner who hides behind men like Hogan, Bischoff, Russo, whomever. Tell the fans that for months, damn near years, all she's seen & heard is nothing but negativity about HER company and HER wrestlers. She needs to cut the heel of heel promos.

    She needs to go into the fans by telling them to shut up. By demanding that they show her respect and if not, they can all get off their sorry asses and walk the hell home, because she will get into her limo and have someone drive her home. Tell the fans she's not Vince McMahon. She's better than Vince, but if it weren't for these ignorant, disloyal fans who keep wishing death upon her & her company, she'd have put Vince out of business by now. Call Vince lazy. Past his prime. Compare his brand to that of a porn involving 80 year old people. Tell the fans that Vince wished he had the talent she has.


    Finally, Dixie needs to compare TNA to WCW. "This isn't Atlanta. This is TNA. I'm no hillbilly hick trying to make a buck off a few named people, Ted Turner. I could give a damn about WCW. I could give a damn about WWE, Vince McMahon, the fans or what everybody has to say about me. I am Dixie F'n Carter! This is MY arena. This is MY company. I do what I want, when I want and how I want. Wanna know why? Because I can. Because nobody has the balls to stop me. I fired Jeff Hardy & I'll fire anybody else in the back who feels as if MY company is second rate. I run the show and if you don't like it, you can go to hell!" Have the boos rain down from the heavens. Then have Dixie throw the mic down and walk the hell off to more boos however, establishing herself as the top heel. Invlove her in storylines JUST like Mr. McMahon did during the inital Attitude run. Get Dixie over and she can get anybody over. You want to save TNA? Turn this woman heel soon. It NEEDS to happen or else her company may soon fold.
     
  2. Dzone

    Dzone Getting Noticed By Management

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    Hey is it me or did everyone else know that Russo used WZ forums...*cough*

    Jokes aside I don't know where you got this idea that people hate Dixie, most "fans" hate Russo-Bischoff-Hogan.

    Dixie DOES know how to run a company, she IS trying to get them into bigger arenas etc but the actual stories and bookings themselves are sometimes pathetic (and that's probably an unserstatement).

    Dunno what else to add, hope that satisfied you Russo.
     
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  3. Fargo

    Fargo Dark Match Winner

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    She would need Vickie to give her on the job training....either Vickie or Roseann Barr... She's too dainty and gentle, Dixie would have to get a Big Ass appliance to wear under her clothes and start chewing gum with her mouth open...eat beans and fart a lot. Sit ringside and eat Cheetos.....give Mike Tenay dirty looks and burp at him. Hang out with Beer Money and eat Jerky. I just can't see that happening anytime soon.
     
  4. famous

    famous Dark Match Jobber

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    I have been creeping the forums for months but this thread compelled me to finally register and reply. This idea is outstanding. However, I would take it a step further, have Dixie then march into Hogan's "office" and start a can't beat em join kinda thing and get Hogan comfy thinking he has the money 100% on his side and let Dixie start recruiting for Immortal all the while she is secretly recruiting for her own stable of "new" and some old talent. Bring back Micheal Shane, bring in the WGTT, lure some of the midcard and under rated jobber talent from the E (perfect for jump starting the X division again) Just a few ideas i think could add some stability to yours
     
  5. jellmoo

    jellmoo Baking sheets aren't hardcore.

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    I didn't realize that Dixie Carter was all that hated. A lot of people probably think that she doesn't know much about running a wrestling company, but I didn't realize that this related to hatred.

    I'm not entirely sure that another heel authority figure would be all that helpful though. Having her, The Bisch and Hogan all together running the show would be absolute overkill. I'm also not convinced that Dixie has the acting ability to really pull it off. I'm not saying she doesn't, just that when compared to someone like The Bisch, she might be not be up to it.

    On the flip side, if a heel turn results in her dressing ****ty and MILFing it up big time, then I am all for it.
     
  6. goldbergiswrestling

    goldbergiswrestling Pre-Show Stalwart

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    I love how evrybody has a 1 step solution to TNA, its not that simple, Dixie Carter turning heel would make the fans who watch it interested for about a week or 2 but then what? Whats that going to do in the long run to bennefit TNA? Your as Bad as Hogan Bischoff and Russo if you think turning someone that casual wrestling fans dont even know who is heel will "save" TNA. your all about what will get peoples interest for this episode, you dont look long term enough.
     
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  7. He's Phenomenal

    He's Phenomenal Getting Noticed By Management

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    I always thought Dixie Carter was liked by TNA fans? She seems to get a pretty decent reaction whenever she's on iMPACT! But as mentioned above: I don't think a heel Dixie is needed, as Hogan and Bischoff do a good enough job of being the heel authority figures.

    I never understand these whole 'how to save TNA threads'. What needs to be saved? What part of their business is down from this time last year? TNA is a growing company and just needs to be left to do that.
     
  8. mikej690

    mikej690 Dark Match Jobber

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    So you want dixie to turn heel to do what? Be like vince? Fans will rip TNA in half it that happens! Plus it wouldn't do nothing for TNA other then being a laughing stock (which it already is) Even more people will say that they're copying wwe by doing that. Having Eric bishoff and hulk hogan as heels is already annoying now it's dixie's turn? The immortal storyline is an epic fail! It has vince russo's stink all over it!
     
  9. Midnite Express 2009

    Midnite Express 2009 Getting Noticed By Management

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    In an effort to keep going with the storyline, I would perfer that Dixie not align herself with Eric, Hogan or Russo as it would very typical and it would dilute her presence. The best way to avoid all of this would be to have her hire someone to knock each one of these people off little by little. This takes care of 2 things at the same time. It keeps Eric & Hogan off TV and relieves Russo of his duties as a writer (since obviously he's doing a piss poor job). Have Dixie come out and screw over wrestlers ala Mr. McMahon. Have her break up main events the same way Vince used to do (but NOT like what happened at Victory Road). I don't want her to be another Vickie, so in the end, have Dixie turn on her help by basically firing him. This too, if done properly, could get this star over as he could be the new face of TNA fighting the unstoppable Dixie.

    She has the perfect look 1st of all. She is very unassuming & soft spoken. So fans would never see any of this coming. She could take blame for everything that's happened with Jeff Hardy and basically not give a damn. She could really go deep into this storyline, calling Sting on the carpet & even calling into question the rumors he was going to sign with Vince. She could take blame for sending Hardy out to the ring, basically insinuating that she could care less if that piece of s*** lived or died. Since no one gives a damn about her, she doesn't give a damn about nobody either, which means she KNEW Hardy was in no shape to compete and she STILL sent him out. She will look like the biggest prick of all time (and if done right, even bigger than Bischoff was). God, the possibilities of this is endless...
     
  10. Rayne

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    What's all this about "saving" TNA? They aren't rapidly spinning down the shitter, they've just had a couple of disappointing stunts. They're "staying even", which isn't great, but they're far from needing to be "saved".

    Now, onto this Dixie Carter heel business. One character change is not going to turn around the fortunes of a company, especially not someone as uninspiring as Dixie Carter. Some people might bring up the "Mr. McMahon" character that came out as a result of the Montreal Screwjob as "saving" the WWF. While it was one of the great masterstrokes of wrestling spin in history, it didn't "save" the WWF. What saved the WWF was a complete overhaul of how their company approached "professional wrestling", which included moves like formally rebranding the product as "sports entertainment", the move into the Attitude Era, and the IPO in 1999 which allowed them to pull ahead of WCW permanently.

    This wouldn't drive up TNA's numbers; you aren't suddenly going to find a load of new viewers who are interested in Dixie Carter's character. You're going to interest the people who are watching the product already for another couple of weeks, and then they'll be waiting on the next New Thing.
     
  11. Rasha

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    So we'll now have two different groups of heels trying to run the company? And besides that, how do you explain kayfabe that Dixie actually still is running TNA? Last time I checked, she lost the court battle and has no power.

    Why do you want Eric and Hogan off TV? What have they done wrong? Eric plays the heel boss better than Dixie ever could and Hogan is one of the biggest icons in history. Is that really a good trade to get rid of them for a woman with no fanbase and no real experience or perceivable skill as an on-screen personality?

    Also, your storyline idea is bleeding too much into backstage stuff. How does Dixie taking out Russo help her when she doesn't run the company anymore? And since when was Russo an on-air personality? This isn't WCW. It's been seven years since Russo was on TV.

    This is exactly why it would NOT work. She doesn't even look tough, and I certainly have seen nothing from her on-air work that suggests she could pull it off on the mic. You know why Vince McMahon works as an evil boss? Because he's not only got look and ability to pull it off but he actually has some skins on the wall (Montreal, steroids scandals). We spend so much time talking about whether or not wrestlers have a "good look, mic skills, and a convincing gimmick." Doesn't that same logic apply to non-wrestling personalities? Hell, doesn't even mean even more since they won't actually be in the ring?

    So many things wrong with this logic. What happened to Hardy should not be woven into a storyline. It should be apologized for and then never discussed again. What you're suggesting is basically the equivalent of some wrestler back in 1999 saying he sabotaged Owen Hart's cable drop and taking credit for his death to get heel heat. It's classless and offensive.

    Also, again, Dixie doesn't run the company anymore. So unless you've come up with a way to explain how she still was in power during this entire time that supposedly Immortal was running TNA, then you've got nothing.

    And lastly, AGAIN, you're confusing what happens on-screen to what happens backstage. Dixie DOES actually run TNA, so if you think Bischoff was a prick for what happened with Hardy then you're blaming the wrong person.

    If you meant possibilties for failure, then you're dead on.
     
  12. Midnite Express 2009

    Midnite Express 2009 Getting Noticed By Management

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    LOL goodness people, so I will admit that my idea was not the greatest, thought so before I wrote it, but hey, I'm a bigger guy to admit it wasn't the best. I like TNA but in no way am I suggesting they HAVE to do this. It was a creative mind thinking of something creative to do (Lord knows TNA sometimes needs that to happen). Don't kill the messenger people. But again, thanks for the constructive critics out there.
     
  13. Harve Harvey

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    This is exactly what TNA doesn't need. Tna needs to forget about past-their-prime performers and management characters battling over control of this/that (whether they are actual owners or former heads of old defunct companies....whatever) and actually focus on building compelling conflicts between the actual performers that will face off in the ring. Personal fueds and pursuit of title belts, executed in a well considered manner please.
    I have absolutely no interest in tuning in to Impact to see Dixie's guy vs Hogan's guy vs Flair's dog or whatever character is essentially playing the role of fighting that person's battles for them/representing them etc. Yeah yeah, I know, there have been some seriously successful storylines that have used this formula before. Great. Let's just keep rehashing the past then shall we? Er, no. not interested. Especially as you can hardly argue that a wrestler being associated with Dixie Carter is going to give them the rub in the same way as being associated with Flair could.
    Just my opinion of course, but stuff like this is why TNA is a turn-off for me.
     
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  14. dotty_84

    dotty_84 Pre-Show Stalwart

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    TNA doesn't need 'saved' but if they want to grow as a company turning Dixie heel certainly won't work. They need a spring clean throughout management and the roster.

    I watched some of the Victory Road PPV it's got good and bad points. So many botches poor execution of Camera work but some great spots and the wrestlers do a great credit on putting a show.

    TNA need someone with a vision and a little bit of money not tons but some money, development is where TNA needs to go. Paying these old 'legends' isn't doing enough and TNA should cut their loses and focus on youth and have patience people aren't going to drop the show if there is no Hogan, Flair. Take time with storylines aslong as the ring action is up to spec then they are all good. And use the best of who they have and push them...the TNA championship to me seems like anyone could waltz in and be the number one contender give the belt some prestige please.
     
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    I think this is a GREAT idea. Everyone may hate Hogan/Bischoff/Russo, but that hatred most definitely gets displaced onto Dixie. You can't always just tell wrestling fans who to like and who to hate. Sometimes you need to play into how they're already feeling, and if Dixie just went on an unstoppable heel spree, I think it'd make for some compelling TV. It's a tried-and-true formula, and it'd work.

    Nice idea.
     
  16. EStreet

    EStreet Pre-Show Stalwart

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    I don't know how I feel about Dixie going heel...but if there ever was a time to break kayfabe its now - Vince has done it at some extreme points in time (ie Benoits death), and while what is going on w/ Hardy isn't close to Benoit situation, it still provides TNA w/ a chance to hit reset. Break kayfabe, say she isn't sorry for VR and turn her heel and say screw the fans. Tell them that if they think Immortal is done now without Jeff then they are dead wrong and she will make sure they stay in power. Make a storyline a storyline of its own by shoving it down their throat. At least then people will really hate her and Immortal (with no top competitor. And then let Sting carry the ball as the guy who came back to fight the authority, and that is why he refused a match w/ Hardy and worked it the way he did with a quick and forceful win. He becomes the SCSA to her Vince/Corporation. And Fortune fights for the belts, w/ the authority stripping Sting for his refusal to cooperate.
     
  17. Mister Nice Guy

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    Turning Dixie Carter heel is an idea that would most certainly bomb, as it will be compared to Stephanie McMahon's "dominant woman" heel character. TNA can become a thriving company again by doing what made them popular to watch in the first place... CREATIVITY!

    X-Division
    AJ Styles
    A showcase of Indy stars on network television
    Six sided ring
    Ultimate X and Lockdown PPV

    Arguably, the greatest match or moment in TNA history pitted Samoa Joe, AJ Styles and Christopher Daniels in an all time classic three way match. With so many HOLY SH#T moments, it easily rivals any of the greatest matches in WWE. Get back to that formula and TNA will thrive, once more.
     
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    The heel authority figure has worked one time. Since then its been run to the ground.
    Does Dixie wrestle? No. Do people hate Dixie? No. Has Dixie shown any ability to get the fans to care about her? No. Does Dixie have the abiltiy to get the fans to care about the wrestlers? No. Since Dixie fails at all the necessary requirements for an on air person to draw money in the wrestling business, keep her off of TV.
     
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  19. Midnite Express 2009

    Midnite Express 2009 Getting Noticed By Management

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    Thank you. All these other jacka----- who decided to destory my idea are people who, from what I can tell, haven't thought outside the box, let alone understood where I was coming from. Nice to see a few people do. Break kayfabe. WWE does it all the time, including Legends of Wrestling and most of their DVDs. Breaking kayfabe would mean that Dixie (someone who is somewhat already a personaility on TV) becomes even more of a personaility. Sure, my idea needs to be tweeked a little bit, nobody's perfect, but getting Dixie over would create a new arena for TNA where fans would be like, I don't like her, here's why, but I'm still going to watch. I say people dislike Dixie NOT because of Dixie personally but because she represents the company that people are tired of. If she plays on this hatred, I think they could score big because people love to hate things but tend to love to be around what they hate, especially when it's compelling. Brushing the Hardy situation under the rug is one way to go about this. But it's not like the man died, so embrace what happened. Hell, even if you in reality fire him, let it be known, in a storyline/yet breaking kayfabe kind of way where it gives an exit to one portion of the company, yet opens for another one. No one's ever seen a woman (especially someone like Carter) do the things I'm talking about doing. So everyone who had something stupid to say, you guys can step off. I hate it when people try to be creative and haters want to shut it down. Oh well. Too bad for them.
     
  20. EStreet

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    @ Midnight Express: agreed - everyone says TNA needs to be creative yet they say "go back to being creative"...if TNA gave you Joe v Styles people would say its already been done before. The fact is, using Dixie in a brand new way has NOT been done before. Its an idea - the only problem I see w/ it is, can she take bumps, would she get nasty, bitch nasty, fuck you nasty, the way Vince did. This isn't a play on doing what wwf did w/ Vince because she is a women and she isn't turning against a guy like Austin, she is turning on the fans and saying FU. What happens when you tell the fans don't do something - they do it. Tell the fans you don't care what they think and people will talk/watch it (example: putting Hardy out there or Hogan turning heel in WCW).
     
  21. Rayne

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    Then maybe you should have presented it as a storyline idea instead of how to "save TNA", perhaps?

    Look, this is a message board. On the internet. People are going to disagree with you, and if you get your panties all double-knotted over it, you're in for a lot of frustration.

    That being said, turning a character heel isn't some great brainstroke of creativity. I'm pretty sure this is the 3rd "turn Dixie heel" thread this calendar year. You aren't 'thinking outside the box', you're pulling from a playbook that's been used dozens of times before, in many different promotions. All you're trying to do with this "thinking outside the box" bullshit is try and present your ideas as unique and thus superior, when turning an authority figure heel is a plot point older then you are.

    And don't come out here with some "at least I'm trying" schtick. We aren't quite at Special Olympics level here yet- you don't get a medal just for trying your best, as feeble as it appears.
     
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    iwinulose HEAT ATTRACTER!!!!

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    dixie could turn heel, or, tna could go through their roster and get rid of screwy guys like jeff, or at least send them to rehab, they then need to think up some new feuds, maybe drop a title or 2, and start putting more emphasis on all wrestlers, give them shots, keep making new and exciting twists to keep people involved, drop this whole thing with the locker room being split in three, having immortal, fortune, and the guys in between, drop flair and hogan completely and move in a new direction (meaning, not copying wwe, whether it be "humour", or "jokes", just stop. move in their own direction, while keeping it exciting so that more people will spark an interest.
     
  23. EStreet

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    What can save TNA is a brand new out of the box creative idea, like oh say - NWO - but not the nwo or the band or immortal - something not seen or done in wrestling before,or at least TNA. I would love to just see Total Nonstop Action. For what its worth, AJ should be the World Champ because he exemplifies total nonstop action. Next in line should be somebody like Sabin or Shelly who also demonstrate Nonstop Action. I love Sting, but he holds the title because he is the biggest name they have. Angle will challenge for the same reason, ditto Anderson, Hardy, all these brought in guys. Honestly ROH should be merged w/ TNA then you have a legit promotion to compete w/ WWE. It isn't names that save TNA or face/heel turns, it has to be the concept. It is what got them their spot on Spike, and will help them in the future.

    And that's the bottom line.
     
  24. Rasha

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    So those of us who disagreed with your idea are just jackasses and haters, huh? Funny how you haven't even tried to dispute any of the dissenting points that I or others made but quickly jumped on here and sucked the dick of the first person who agred with you.

    You're using a VIDEO GAME and documentary DVDs to support your argument? We're talking about the actual wrestling product. Stay with us, chief! Don't go off the reservation.

    Again I ask you... WHY SHOULD DIXIE GET A LARGER ROLE? The woman is not an actress or has displayed any potential toward it. If throwing some unskilled and inexperienced person out in front of the cameras is a bad idea for the wrestlers, how is it any better an idea for other types of on-screen personalities?

    You're right that people love to hate. But you negated your own point when you said "when it's compelling." Dixie's not compelling. She can't act. This is the same logic that explains why a guy like Robbie E isn't good for TNA. Sure people hate him, but it's the type of hate that makes you want to change the channel. If you thought segments featuring Bischoff were boring, how much worse would it be with someone so lacking in charisma as Dixie? The novelty would wear off in a week or two and then you'd be left with a boring person on the mic. Plain and simple; bad business!

    You're right; Hardy didn't die. He publicly displayed the effects of substance abuse and ruined a Pay-Per-View World Title match. His dying would have been a better excuse. "Embracing" it or using it in any way displays an indifference which you don't want to show to both the PAYING customers and other TNA fans who are know skeptical of your company. I get what you're saying about trying to make lemonade from this, but this is rotten fruit that you just have to throw away and move on from.

    Don't pat yourself on the back too hard. I think you're forgetting just how evil Stephanie McMahon used to be.

    Creativity isn't always good. If I took a pile of my own feces and made into a sculpture of Michelangelo's "David," it would still smell like shit. You tried to be creative and you had a shitty idea. Get the fuck over it.
     
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