Milks review on HHH's career

[Milkyway!]

Due to my limitation on time (exams next week, YAY!!!), and anxiousness to get this thread started, I'm going to do this in a few parts. When I feel the post is complete, I will post it, and begin working on the next part of his career when I find the time.

I will also be making a habit out of this, with summer coming up. I plan to do a series my top 10 favorite posters. Then afterwards, if this becomes a "hit series" so to speak I will be letting the people decide my next wrestlers through polls and the such alike. Now as for my 10.

1. HHH
2. The Undertaker
3. Shawn Micheals
4. Bret Hart
5. Sting
6. (I'll need some help here my japanesee posters.) The Great Muta
7. Magnum T.A.
8. Hulk Hogan
9. Randy Savage
10. Ric Flair

The series will state some facts recieved from Wikipidia, matches I've got on Youtube, and WWE.com. I will ask questions about these mens careers, looking for debates and the such. Hopefully some intense debates come out of these threads, if you reply, please answer the questions asked throughout the thread. Much obliged, and Thanks.

Let the series begin. We shall kickoff with !!!HHH!!!

My personal take on HHH and his career:
Before any facts are stated, I would like to say I adore HHH. Hes easily one of the best in the business, hes always been very respectful to the people from what all I can see. The like 5 whole seconds I got to talk to him at an autograph signing, he was very sincere in his voice, and my personal hero. HHH inspired me to get into school wrestling, before I realized I couldn't slam and do all that stuff, but I stuck with it, and it has become my passion. Men likes these come once every few centuries. HHH will always hold a spot in my heart, 17 time World Champion or not.

Wikipedia: HHH gained his roots at WcW. Wrestling under the name Levesque, he began to use The Pedigree there, and worked with Lord Steven Regal in the tag team division.

My take: This is all Wikipedia says, and thats all I really knew in the first place. I don't know much about his WcW days even though they were very important. If anyone would like to PM me, or post it themselves, please do so. My knowledge of WcW is SO little its not funny. I'm going to have a hell of a time with Sting.

At the first of his page on the superstar section at WWE.com the quote "Since his WWE debut in 1995, Triple H has risen to become one of the most successful WWE Superstars of all-time."

My take: This is 100% true. With a little help from backstage management, his own skills, and possibly a little help from his wife, HHH has become a 13 time World Champion. The IWC complains a lot about the fact he has so much creative control, and has still became 13 time champion. For this thread, I ask the IWC was HHH not massivly over, everytime he held the title? Did he not hold the title before he married Steph? HHH has earned his spot as 13x World Champion, I'd love to hear why he hasn't as well. Enlighten me.


Youtube: HHH debuted as a fancy aristocrat, with his abnormally large nose stuck in the air. In a 2-3 minute go around with some jobber during the time, HHH showed some agility, a little strength and a very weak version of the "Pedigree" (It was basically a very slow RKO from what I saw) HHH then went into the storyline of having "valets" (the divas) come out with him during matches and things, leading into Wrestlemania 12 (HHH's first wrestlemania)

My take: HHH was boring in 1995. He looked so green, I got so bored out of 10-15 matches I watched on YouTube. They were just horrible, this goes to show HHH has proven himself, chose his spots, and is one heck of an entertainer. My question for this section is, Name 10 wrestlers as accomplished as HHH that are truely better than him.

Wikipedia: HHH has the many accomplishments of a thirteen-time World Champion: an eight-time WWE Champion, and a five-time World Heavyweight Champion (Triple H is also recognized as the first World Heavyweight Champion under WWE's lineage). In addition, he won the 1997 King of the Ring, the 2002 Royal Rumble, and was the second Grand Slam Champion.

My take: Not even Shawn Micheals has as much as that going on for him. Shawn can put on a show at Wrestlemania, and thats about it. HHH puts on a show everytime he enters the ring, with the once or twice a year dropping the ball. No one can quite entertain and stay over as much as he does. Even The Undertaker gets stale, I've personally come to the conclution with all the hiatus hes gone through, it keeps him fresh. (Note about my Undertaker comment: I could be blind with love twards HHH but, then again, I could just be right on some things, I don't know. Nor can I read the minds of people as to why The Undertaker stays so heavily over. I cannot provide any hard facts on this statement. If you wish to argue with me about it, it will be pretty opinionated)

Source: Wikipedia
Levesque was known backstage as one of the members of The Kliq, a group of wrestlers including Shawn Michaels, Kevin Nash, Sean Waltman and Scott Hall, who were known for influencing Vince McMahon and the WWF creative team. He was slated to win the 1996 King of the Ring tournament, but was demoted from championship contender to "jobber to the stars" after the Madison Square Garden Incident, in which the Kliq broke character after a match to say goodbye to the departing Nash and Hall.

My take: This is one of the only times I can think HHH ever broke character, live TV or not. Hes always been really good at keeping the storylines straight, unlike wrestlers like John Cena. With the being thrown through the bat signal, and still wrestling main event dark matches, is just silly. Batman signal >> all. You can't just no sell that. HHH sold a punt to the head, longer than John Cena sold getting blown the hell up. Thats crazily stupid. Anywho I'm done chasing that rabbit, back on topic. HHH also showed politicing in the business. As stupid as that is, all professional entertainment, requires politicing. You will find it anywhere, HHH was only picking up on the game as quickly as possible, which worked to his benifet. Because we see where hes at today.

Wiki: On October 21, 1996 HHH gained his first title. The beloved Intercontinental championship. Defeating Mr. Perfect before his departure, storyline wise breaking his back. HHH's reign as the biggest WWE superstar (imo) took its first steps up on that night. His 4 month title reign began. Until dropping it to Rocky Mavia in 1997.

My take: ^_^ HHH's first reign. The match on YouTube at which he won it, was nothing less than remarkable. HHH's legacy began on this night. Forging his path down a narrow road, at which very few men have taken. I will besuprised, if its ever taken again.

End of part 1.

Next up is the DX days. This will cover 2 more years of HHH's career. Due to limitation on time, and I want quality in my posts, don't want to get sloppy. I cannot make out this post as of right now. I will hopefully have this post out by tomorrow, if not Friday. Begin the debates.

 

[Hyorinmaru]

Triple H also wrestled in WCW as a singles competitor called Terra Ryzing. I don't know much about this part of his carrer except that he unsuccessfullychallenged Larry Zybysko for the WCW TV title. Here it is for all thos whou want to see it
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[Coco]

Not even Shawn Micheals has as much as that going on for him. Shawn can put on a show at Wrestlemania, and thats about it. HHH puts on a show everytime he enters the ring, with the once or twice a year dropping the ball. No one can quite entertain and stay over as much as he does. Even The Undertaker gets stale, I've personally come to the conclution with all the hiatus hes gone through, it keeps him fresh. (Note about my Undertaker comment: I could be blind with love twards HHH but, then again, I could just be right on some things, I don't know. Nor can I read the minds of people as to why The Undertaker stays so heavily over. I cannot provide any hard facts on this statement. If you wish to argue with me about it, it will be pretty opinionated)

Wow.

First of all, Shawn puts on a great show more consistently than Hunter. Lets take last year, for example. Shawn had a great series of matches with Jericho last year and did good things with both Batista and Jeff, all while working through a ton of injuries during the year. Strong arguments could be made that Shawn, with all his injuries, had the MOTY and that it wasn't at Mania. Triple H's year doesn't really compare outside of a few barn-burners in the fall where the fans were ready for Hardy to go over.

Triple H really should do what you claim Undertaker does as it will help Triple H stay over. His popularity has cooled off over the last couple months. I've seen him come out to crickets on a couple Raws heading into Mania. If he wasn't as over-exposed, he'd have a far greater legacy, IMO.

I can't wait to see what you make of Triple H's first title run, though. Ratings fell and he wasn't deemed worthy of being put over at SummerSlam. Hell, some would go as far as to call that first reign a dud, ala CM Punk. Hunter never really nailed it until his third reign, where Mick Foley nearly killed himself to put Trips over and do good business, something Trips has such a hard time doing sometimes.

 

[dmacizdman]

the first thing i thought of when i saw HHH as Terra was "Boy, he really wants to be Ric Flair."

 

[Milkyway!]

Hes got a very nice ring atire, and has amazing Ric Flair like hair. I don't know about storyline wise, but HHH looks just like a young Ric Flair. Larry looks so boring compared to him. Even in his first year HHH had a nice Charismatic look. It would be rather interesting to see HHH win this as to where he'd be at today. The reasoning for his departure from WCW from what I hear was that they wouldn't push him as a singles star.

Once again I have to state, how boring this is. HHH has grown up a lot, matured, and truly has earned his spot. This match once again proves such. HHH was attempting to be a technical wrestler almost, and he just couldn't pull it off. The new HHH we have today, is a power hitting monster, 40+ years old, and is STILL in his prime.

the first thing i thought of when i saw HHH as Terra was "Boy, he really wants to be Ric Flair."

Who the heck didn't want to be Ric Flair? Flair was flipping amazing, gave HHH his roots in WcW from my understanding. HHH has looked up to Flair his entire career as stated. HHH can never be a Ric Flair, but Ric Flair could never be a HHH either. Every superstar has that star they idolize, watch Flairs early stuff. Was 350+ pounds, looked just like Dusty Rhodes, and was looking to become a tag partner with Rhodes. I think its a mistake all early wrestlers make, they can't play their idols. They need to play themselves.

 

[Milkyway!]

Wow.

First of all, Shawn puts on a great show more consistently than Hunter

Its no secret around here that I don't like Shawn Micheals. As some of my very first posts were about Shawn not deserving to be in the Hall of Fame. On the My take: parts I go by my own personal opinions. Its all a matter of opinion. I think HHH puts on a great show everytime he touches the mat. I find him 2x more entertaining than Shawn as well. You may not, but I think so. For example, take HHH vs Orton. While the IWC disagreed, their match at wrestlemania was far from good. HHH went over, to keep the fued going at Backlash, at Backlash, they put on one hell of a show.

Lets take last year, for example. Shawn had a great series of matches with Jericho last year and did good things with both Batista and Jeff, all while working through a ton of injuries during the year. Strong arguments could be made that Shawn, with all his injuries, had the MOTY and that it wasn't at Mania. Triple H's year doesn't really compare outside of a few barn-burners in the fall where the fans were ready for Hardy to go over.

This will be later on in the series, HHH made Jeff Hardy's career skyrocket as well. How many people has Shawn really helped out over the years? During his time on top Shawn was an egotistical bastard, only in it for himself. HHH has made Batista, Orton, Hardy, and I personally believe he made Shawn into what he is today. Now don't get me wrong all of these stars did tons of work themselves, but the rub they got from HHH made them.

Triple H really should do what you claim Undertaker does as it will help Triple H stay over. His popularity has cooled off over the last couple months. I've seen him come out to crickets on a couple Raws heading into Mania. If he wasn't as over-exposed, he'd have a far greater legacy, IMO.

I agree, 100% I remember when he came back from the DX days. It made me mtfo. At least, he needs to take some time off here and there, more than he does. Wait till he comes back from this punt. I'll be more into wrestling than ever before.

I can't wait to see what you make of Triple H's first title run, though. Ratings fell and he wasn't deemed worthy of being put over at SummerSlam. Hell, some would go as far as to call that first reign a dud, ala CM Punk. Hunter never really nailed it until his third reign, where Mick Foley nearly killed himself to put Trips over and do good business, something Trips has such a hard time doing sometimes.

I've not studied his first/second reigns enough just yet to know what hes done. I spent like 2-3 hours on the stuff in the first post, I suppose I'll tell you when I get there. Hopefully I wont be blinded by love, like I'm really trying not to do. But then again, it is my reviews, I'm just here to state what I think

 

[Coco]

Its no secret around here that I don't like Shawn Micheals. As some of my very first posts were about Shawn not deserving to be in the Hall of Fame. On the My take: parts I go by my own personal opinions. Its all a matter of opinion. I think HHH puts on a great show everytime he touches the mat. I find him 2x more entertaining than Shawn as well. You may not, but I think so. For example, take HHH vs Orton. While the IWC disagreed, their match at wrestlemania was far from good. HHH went over, to keep the fued going at Backlash, at Backlash, they put on one hell of a show.

Fair enough.

This will be later on in the series, HHH made Jeff Hardy's career skyrocket as well.

I'm not so sure about this. I think the Randy Orton fued is what really got him to that next level where people saw him as a legit threat. He didn't get to a higher level as a result of the Triple H fued, but rather stayed exactly where the Orton fued got him. IMO, Edge taking the pin that put the belt on Hardy says a lot.

How many people has Shawn really helped out over the years? During his time on top Shawn was an egotistical bastard, only in it for himself.

I agree completely with this and I did not and never will talk Shawn up as good for putting over the young guys. We're on the same page there.

HHH has made Batista, Orton, Hardy, and I personally believe he made Shawn into what he is today.

Batista I'll give you. Trips also helped put Benoit over the top as the man. And he tried he hardest to get Shelton right at the begining of his singles run.

Hardy we'll just have to disagree on. That one is up for too much discussion and I don't want to ruin your thread too much.

Shawn was made regardless of anything Hunter did for him in his comeback. In addition, Trips putting over his bestest buddy isn't really the greatest example to point to.

Orton, though... He was wounded from working with Triple H. Instead of his first match with Hunter after his title win over Benoit being booked proper, it was rushed with a forced Orton face turn and Triple H getting the belt off of him in a month. Not once did he put Orton over one-on-one and cleanly. In an ideal world, Orton would have slowly become a great champ and the leader of Evolution, leading to one of them turning going into Mania 21.

DX didn't do many favors for Rated-RKO either, to the best of my recollection.

2007 at No Mercy, Triple H needed to go through an extra match with Umaga before finally putting Orton over. Hardly a fair looking way to put someone over.

In the spring of 2008, Triple H killed Orton's title run while it still had a ton of steam left in it.

As for this latest round between the two... Trips fails to put Orton over proper in a one-on-one match only to do the job in bullshit fashion in a six-man tag? Meh.

Orton wasn't made by Triple H. Not at all.

Wait till he comes back from this punt. I'll be more into wrestling than ever before.

I'm interested to see how long they let him sit at home. One month won't really impress me. And that certainly isn't going to get him one of his January 2002 MSG pops.

I've not studied his first/second reigns enough just yet to know what hes done. I spent like 2-3 hours on the stuff in the first post, I suppose I'll tell you when I get there. Hopefully I wont be blinded by love, like I'm really trying not to do. But then again, it is my reviews, I'm just here to state what I think

I'm looking forward to seeing what you have to say. Keep it up.

 

[TwistofRKO]

Good posts guys..

I'll side with HHH being more entertaining than HBK is right now. HBK can put on a very good match, but it's not very often. His program with Jericho I place the majority of it on Jericho, he was amazing in their series, he made that series. I can give Shawn credit, though, it takes two to put on a great match. But overall, after injuries and considering their ages, Triple H is more consistent. He gets really annoying to watch HHH bury people, but that's from my perspective, and the same thing can be said of Shawn. Triple H is also far better on the mic right now.

I guess I'm just like Milk, where I just don't find myself left cff that entertained with Shawn as consistently as I am with Triple H. Just opinion I guess. I'm far from a huge Triple H fan, and have dished out my fair share of criticism about him, but I definitely don't hate him. I think he's better at playing different roles, and just looks more intimidating, while having always been booked as a more dominating figure.

Overall Triple H has had a great career and was already well on his way to one pre-Stephanie. Great dedication to the business, has put his body on the line in the past, even through the extent of excruiciating pain to keep with the integrity of the match from being compromised. I'll repeat I'm not in favor of his failure to put guys over cleanly and can't really defend that, but at the same time plenty of other figures have been the same way. Triple H has enjoyed a great, long, succesful run in wrestling.

 

[jrcongine]

Okay i use to be a huge HHH mark, really was. I got tired of him winning all the time, and always being the main eventer around the evolution period. Then realized after comparing his matches to other performers, really started to mark out for him. I realized heel, face, tweener whatever when you hear its time to play the game it was main event time, and as jr would say business is about to pick up and then this was the beginning of the cena era and i dislike cena so triple h was easy to cheer for.

But when you here all the politicking, backstabbing mentioned by former friends or co workers it really hard to like him. I mean seriously if the kliq didn't need a wheel man, this guy would be working indies right now. They brought him up and how does he repay, with nothing. Hall, nash, and waltman could all be in wwe right now if trips wanted him but does he mention to vince naahhhh he's to busy setting up his career to better himself whats next move into vince's house.

 

[Milkyway!]

Okay i use to be a huge HHH mark, really was.

Awesome, what happened?

I got tired of him winning all the time, and always being the main eventer around the evolution period.

Even though he created two of the biggest stars today? Even though he was the champion during these times, and never won cleanly? He had 2 bodygaurds, and a manager of Ric Flair, "The dirtiest player in the game" He was the man, to be the man, you've gotta beat the man. No one was worthy of beating the man during the evolution perior. Name a superstar as good as HHH, that could keep up with him, on top of drawing as much heat as he did. HHH deserved to be the champion, he didn't even have that long of a run, and was massively recieving heat. MASSIVE heat. Once Batista hit face, and was in his prime, Batista grandslammed off all the heat HHH was getting. And, is still benifiting from this hit today. Its just like Babe Ruth, and hitting that homerun over the green monster, hes still known for it today, is he not?

Then realized after comparing his matches to other performers, really started to mark out for him. I realized heel, face, tweener whatever when you hear its time to play the game it was main event time

I thought you were tired of him? You're pretty scrabbled up in your posts. It could be my reading comprehension, but I have no clue what you just said. You don't like him, because he always wins, but then you mark the hell out for him?

But when you here all the politicking, backstabbing mentioned by former friends or co workers it really hard to like him.

What backstabbing? I mean theres people that don't like HHH because hes an egomaniac. But hes a Mcmahon, hes aloud to be an egomaniac. Hes massively over, hes aloud to be an egomaniac. He has 13 titles under his wing, and is aproaching a 14th. You don't think Ric Flair, Hulk Hogan, Shawn Micheals, Bret Hart, Stone Cold, The Rock were egomaniacs? Think again mate. Politicking is part of EVERY business. You kiss your bosses ass long enough, you'll certainly be high up on his list. You marry his daughter, and you're number 1 on his list. Not saying HHH married Steph because of that, but still. Its common logic, no?

I mean seriously if the kliq didn't need a wheel man, this guy would be working indies right now.

No he wouldn't. They were friends, thats what started the Kliq backstage. THEN it moved onto the big screen. The Kliq was going on backstage a few months before it hit television. It started as friends, and as you know in '97 ended as friends.

They brought him up and how does he repay, with nothing. Hall, nash, and waltman could all be in wwe right now if trips wanted him

How the heck do you know who HHH wants in the WWE? Kevin Nash, is working for the TNA, he doesn't want to come back. Not to mention hes a washed up hasbeen, due to injury's. Hall is a drunken bastard. Waltman just plain sucks. He never was any fun. People always had to carry him all over the ring. Meh, why bring back a jobber that requires as much money as he does?

but does he mention to vince naahhhh he's to busy setting up his career to better himself whats next move into vince's house.

How the heck do you know what HHH mentions to vince? Everyone sets up their career to better themselves. They'd be stupid not to. Why would he move into his house, they are on tour together 300 days a year. Sillybare.

 

[BRandonkin]

I think HBK is the better performer. Look at HHH/Cena and HBK/Cena or HHH/Hardy and HBK/Hardy. HBK matches were far superior to his even though HHH was on PPV and HBK's were on Raw. HHH is just their more and wins more.

 

[schaeffershawn]

Whoa lets take a step back first off, Nash signed with TNA because he wanted to still wrestle. The day he retires he has a spot on WWE creative waiting for him.


As far as Hall and Waltman, It was HHH, who Nash called to get both of these guys in rehab. and It was HHH who wnet to Vince and got two of his friends into rehab. Waltman mad ethe most of it and is trying to get his life back together, Hall has not. It was HHH who kept HBK employeed when his drug addiction likely warrented him being forced to rehab or fired.


and notice all the guys who accuse of him of backstabbing or poltiking are guys who either could not hack it or, were not as good at it. You can say his success was because he married the bosses daughter, but he was a two time world champion by that point. Also the Larry Zybisko did teh same thing and no one faukts him oir rejects his status. You can say he has held talent down, but which main eventer has not. HHH is on of the top 25 of teh last 30years, and likely ever. I will always say HBk is a better in ring performer, but HHH was a better all around character.

 

[RKO18]

When he left DX in 1999 and went solo with Chyna as his valet is when he really began to shine. With HBK out to injury and before the arrival of Angle or Benoit, he was the best mat technician in the WWE period. He complemented The Rock and Austin so well and really cemented his place as a main eventer. He sold EVERYTHING and did it as well as Jeff Hardy does now. He got his hand raised a lot, but it was usually due to a bullshit finish involving a McMahon, Chyna, the new DX, etc. His 1999-2001 run was when he was his best and there has never been a better heel.

Evolution was fun, but things were a little different as he was now one of two world champions and not the only top guy. Still a great heel but the feuds were kind of lackluster. I love Nash, but that fued sucked. Same with Goldberg (never liked him though). His matches with HBK were solid but friends always put friends over. 3 straight jobs to Batista was huge, but he has done very little to give back since then. I gotta believe that he and Batista are boys anyway.

What really killed my opinion of him though was the return of DX. DX sucks plain and simple. And his mic work as a face sucks especially when it revolves around toilet humor. The McMahon parody, DX/McMahons and Big Show HIAC, and The rise of Rated RKO were the only good things to come out of DX 06. The quad tear was the best thing that could have happened to him so that they could put an end to it.

The return was decent, and I do give him credit for putting Orton over at No Mercy even though he wrestled 3 matches that night. This was his last great in-ring perfomance by the way. NOC against Cena was decent.

If he took on more of an HBK role and stepped out of the title picture for half a second I may appreciate him again. He would be great as a heel on Smackdown in about six months which is when he should return.

 

[The Catacomb]

Thank you for posting that old WCW match of Triple "Terra Rizer" H. I haven't laughed like that for a long time. I'm still wiping the soda off my computer after spewing it out of my mouth. I took a big gulp as I pushed play and almost choked. I can't believe Paul came up from that to be the Triple H of today. Kind of makes me think that anyone who's a wrestler just starting out can become big if they grab hold of the right opportunities when they present themselves like he did. I think there has been many wrestlers better than him come and go, but, they were in the wrong place at the right time or right place and wrong time. Circumstances fell in place for Triple H and he's made a hall of fame career from them. I think HBK worked harder for his spot. Personally, Triple H and HBK are in the same league with each other. They have their good days and their bad days and I wouldn't care too much if they both retired today. I do think that they should both turn heel at the same time and then they would both be exciting again.

 

[foundation611]

I like Triple H but he did not "make" Orton. He gave him a good rub with him being in Evolution but someone said it earlier he never did put Orton over. Losing to him in a 6 man match is not putting him over solidly. Same with that No Mercy joke where he beat him then beat Umaga then lost to Orton. That is not putting him over either. Randy has been helped by Trips but not put over. Not to mention those 2 are terrible in the ring together for the most part. He did put Batista over losing to him big time 3 ppv's in a row in singles matches. Anyone who doesn't think Shawn Michaels belongs in the Hall of Fame has no credibility of any kind. Enough Said.

 

[jrcongine]

I Love When People On This Site Ask You Your Opinion Of Something And Then Just Totally Bash The Shit Out Of All Your Ideas. So Whats The Point. Why Did You Ask. If You Cant Handle Anything But What You Believe, And What You Stated. If Your Always Correct And So Smart Why Ask Others Opinions Or Try To Debate. Just Say Hey This Is What Is Right, You Don't Like It Your A Idiot And We Will All Bow Down And Accept Milkway For You Are Just To Smart

 

[snowdogg438]

I will admit right off the bat that I don't care for the current Triple H. Like Terra Rizin, Like Jean Paul, even liked the blue blood character, but from DX on he hasn't given me anything to get behind or enjoy. That being said lets take a look at Triple H's "spectatular 13 title reigns (cough cough).

Title reign number one comes the night after Summerslam 99, where wwf thought they would swerve the fans and give Mankind the title instead of Triple H, in less then clean fashion that was fixed the next night on Raw and Hunter is champion. Less then a month later Hunter would lose the belt to Vince on Smackdown thanks to Steve Austin.

Vince vacates the title and Triple H wins it back later in Sept. in a 6-pack clusterf**k match. The reign would last two months until Nov. when he lost to the Big Show, thanks to Vince and Shane's involvement. He would win the title back a few weeks later on a Dec. Raw thanks to DX.

At this point the storyline of Triple H and Steph being married began, and backstage the dating spark hit the two crazy kids. Triple H is on his third less then impressive title reign but having the boss's daughter as his girlfriend is about to boost his career.

Mick Foley damn near kills himself putting Triple H over for the beginning of 2000. Hunter drops the belt to the Rock in April at Backlash, under questionable means if I recall. He gains to back 3 weeks later in May thanks to the Undertaker. Then loses it back to Rock a month later.

Hunter stays out of the World title picture for the rest of 2000 and the beginning of 2001 but has a high profile feud with Jericho and Austin making sure even if he isnt the champ he is still in the most important feud on the show and getting the most tv time.

May 2001, Triple H tears his quad and goes away for almost a year, to the relief of some fans.

Jan 2002, one of the most hated heels of all time returns from quad surgery to be cheered like crazy because I guess u can try and kill another man with a car in wrestling and take time off and be loved when you get back?

Triple H enters the Royal Rumble making every other man in the match seem meaningless as the focus of the Rumble is solely on Triple H's return. He wins of course and goes on to bury Jericho at Wrestlemania 18 for the title.

He loses it in April to Hulk Hogan. Then he finishes his storyline with Steph and begins a storyline to put over a returning wrestler, because if there is anyone on the roster that deserves a Triple H bump it's his old buddy Shawn.

Later that year Triple H is handed the World title, a few months later to jobs to HBK at Survivor Series cleanly, only to take it back a month later.

Then we entered Evolution days, aka put a group of guys together to keep the belt on Trips.

And that is just what they did until Sept 2003 when Goldberg beat Triple H, anything but cleanly. Three months later the belt was back on Hunter in questionable fashion.

Triple H then cleanly put over Chris Benoit at Wrestlemania 20. Leaving the title picture briefly but staying in the main event feuding with HBK.

Orton would win the title at Summerslam and a month later Triple H would bury Orton and his first title reign by taking it back in Sept. November came and the title was held up leading to the crowning of a new champion at New Years Revolution, can you guess who wins Triple H's vacated title?

Triple H defies the odds and win the elimination chamber to take back his belt. He drops it to his buddy Batista at Mania 21, then goes thru several main event rematches. Time off for Triple H then back to put over his buddy Flair in a series of matches.

Fast forward to spring of 2006, John Cena is champion leaving Triple H out in the cold so to take up as much tv time as possible, he and buddy HBK bring back a dated group called DX to bury the up and coming Spirit Squad and to feud with the only two people in the back deserving of the same amount of tv time as them, Vince and Shane. This feud goes way to long and does good to no one.

Finally come Jan. 2007 Triple H tears his quad again, giving us a break from the attention hog and giving someone else tv time.

Triple H comes back in time for another Orton title reign beating him as soon as Orton is giving him the title. He drops it back to Orton two hours later but only after a match with Umaga and a last man standing match, proving to Orton you aren't good enough to beat me unless I have had two matches before you.

Triple H would regain the title in April of 08 at Backlash. Take the belt to Smackdown, new show to dominate, new lockerrroom to hold down. Finally the reign came to an end in Nov. when Edge one the title, after Jeff Hardy interfered.

Come Feb. 09 Triple H would take the title back and go on to bury Orton, the Rumble winner at Mania 25 thanks to a hammer to the face. Triple H dropped the belt to Orton in a sad 6-man tag match thanks to interfere so Trips once again didn't have to let someone that wasn't his buddy go over clean.

13 title reigns. 1156 days. he's five away from Ric Flair in number. Flair being 17 title reigns. 3787 days. You may almost be there in number Hunter, but you are way off in length and quality of reign.

You want to talk impressive title reigns look at Jerry Lawler the most decorated champion of all time, granted most of the titles he won was because he ran the territory. But Triple H's wife being the head of creative helps him along.

 

[Ekpo24]

Ive said it before and I'll say it again HHH was the best from 1999 up until his first quad tear. He came back physically bigger and slower than ever. THEN HE TORE HIS QUAD AGAIN and has been struggling ever since. Now he can still have good matches with talented and "over" workers (i.e. Michaels, Hardy, Jericho, Taker etc) but these are all people who made it without him and in some cases in spite of him (Jericho). He has good matches with these individuals because he has to put them over to a certain degree, and I'm not refferring to wins and loses I'm referring to making someone look good in the right. Point blank HHH's opponents MAKE HIM look good in the ring. That's the whole design of in ring work; You only look as good as someone allows you to look. He staright buried Orton at Wrestlemania. I mean creatively not only was the match booked poorly at WM25, but it also came off terrible live (the crowd was dead) and they did not pull the trigger on Orton. Quite frankly HHH best years in the ring are behind him, now this is not to say he should hang it up, in fact quite the contrary. Taker, Miachaels and others still wrestle past their prime but they all perform at a higher level than HHH (in my opinion). He has had arbitrary title reigns that do nothing for the business and act as a conduit to get him closer to Flair's record. Now lets look at some of the talented individuals who did not get the HHH "rub." Booker T- During his peak years in the WWE Helmsley was slated to drop the World Title to him wt WM but then had plans changed...Keep in mind Booker was red hot at the time both in terms of crowd response and in ring work. Jericho-This one speaks for itself, while they have had classic matches with one another HHH has never done him a "favor." Look at The Rock and Stone Cold Steve Austin they both did business to Jericho in the SAME NIGHT! Then HHH and his wife come in a bury him in the weeks leading up to, during, and after wrestlemania. I only bring this up because HHH had a lot of favors done for him so that he could be in the position that he was in today. Mick Foley, the Rock, Kane, Austin, Taker, Michaels, Booker T, Rob Van Dam, Owen Hart, Orton, Hell even Ric Flair. All did business to put him in the position he is in today. Who are the stars he has elevated? Batista (definately) Cena(Maybe), Orton (Negative). HHH at one time was the best heel I had seen up to that point, but time came and went like it does for everyone. His WM19 and 25 matches literally put me to sleep and he was the MAIN EVENT. Now everyone is entitled to an off night, but I don't see why people feel the need to come on this forum and Gas him up like he's the greatest thing ever when quite frankly the business does not reflect that. He's a major player and he (along side and even more so) and Cena are the companies go to guys. But is he the best that ever laced em up? No, hell taker is much more accomplished, polished, and marketbale and has had less than half the title reigns. HHH has alot of quantity but over the past 7 years there has been more quantity than quality.

 

[kingofmyworld]

HHH is good Ill give you that and some people hate on him too much for being with Steph because at the end of the day he carried the ball at the end of the attitude era when it was asked of him. I'll give credit where credit is due, but to talk up HHH the way you do and not give any respect to HBK doesnt make any sense what so ever. Do you even watch wrestling?
The Rockers were one of the most innovative tag teams in history and were part of the tag team "boom" of the 80's
the ladder matches with Razor
The Kliq and being apart of that group who carried all the belts through alot of the 93-95 period
The feud with Bret including the Iron Man match and Montreal Screwjob
The first grand slam champion
Being in the first and probably the best Hell in a Cell, Mankind-Taker was good, but it was basically a few big spots.
DX and basically makin HHH who he is and getting him to where he got
and I can keep going
The reason why Undertaker is still so over is because he is so good. How many people do you think could make that ridiculous character work to the point where everyone beleives it and wants to know what is going to happen next with him almost 20 years later. Yea it helps to freshen the character by giving him some time off but hes also in his mid 40's so its also smart to give him time to heal.
Your getting all your information from Wiukipedia and you didnt even know about Terra Ryzing which is a pretty big part of his career as he used it throughout his time in independents specifically winning the IWF Heavyweight Title (A company which is know owned by none other than JBL's Layfield Energy) and carried that into WCW for a year until he was repackaged into the eventual Hunter Heasrt Helmsley gimmick while using his real name in WCW.
You talk about HHH not breaking character except for the Madison Squared Garden Incident and reference HHH being hurt and staying down from a Randy Orton punt as opposed to Cena not being as affected by getting thrown through a spotlight? The reason for that is WWE Creative and the agents that worked on the matches, that's their responsibility. After a big program liek that were time off is planned WWE doesnt leave it to John Cena, HHH, or anyone else to deicde on how much soemthing like that will affect their character. Cena is built to look like a superhuman while Randy Orton's punt is supposed to be a devestating and career threatening move. The reason why HBK doesnt have as much "going" for him as HHH is because he worked his way up the ladder and finally got his due and the title, but was forced to retire from the business after only 3 title reigns and only won one title since he came back because he wants to look out for the future of the business rather than carrying a torch that isnt his to carry. Not saying it isn't HHH's but theres no need for the guy to hold 13 Heavyweight titles. Bruno Sammartino only held the title twice, but it was for over 4,000 days which is equivalent to over 11 years while HHH only held is 13 titles for a total of 1,000 + days which is still impressive, but also goes to show you the titles arent neccesarily not worth as much anymnore its just that ever since around 99 the titles jsut change hands way to much which is why HHH has 13 titles reigns and why Edge has 9 already so dont get too hung up on the 13 there bud and it doesnt even make sense to say HHH is a guy that comes around every few centuries. Since when was anyone even around a few centuries to pinpoint soemthing like that and the actual "Heavyweight Title" that we claim HHH has 13 reigns didnt come about tile the early 1900's if im not mistaken which is a little over a century ago. So what I'm getting at is next time you do one of these little reviews, step your game up and use some of your own knowledge and recollection of matches and storylines. Stop being lazy and using wikipedia and youtube if your going to take this time that you have so much of because of summer then spend it right. You basically just wasted time ranting about how much you love HHH and the "1st part" of his career and then you're going right into DX? Are you going to touch on the KOTR, Chyna, and the Mankind feud or no
By the way as other have said commented on before in no way has HHH outperformed Shawn in any span in his entire career unless you count 98-02. Unless HHH is in the ring with someone who can carry a match its a complete bore and then some (i.e. Summerlsam with Khali, Survivor Series with Kozlov, etc.) The HHH matches I can think of that hes had recently that really stand out are the ones with Jeff Hardy because Jeff can push him to do better which is what HHH needs at this point in his career.

Also no matter how good HHH is now and whatever his legacy is he will never be considered on par with Austin/Rock

 

[Milkyway!]

Sorry this took a while..I've been really lazy, and pretty dang busy. I should be mowing the lawn right now, but love you people too much.

As you probably gathered, this is basically me reading wiki, summerizing, taking what knowledge I have from matches watched on youtube, and placing what I think about this. So lets begin? Aye! !!!HHH!!! The DX days

After Hunter's "Jobber to the stars" run in '96 due to the breaking of character on tv (The Kliq) HHH's push resumed to full force. DX was on their way to spin the WWE world full force. Could anyone stop the unstoppable force known as DX??

WikipediaHHH won King of the Ring in 1997 by defeating Mankind, resuming his push.

My take: For one I'd like to state how awesome Mick Foley is. I know this is supposed to be about HHH but man did he put people over back in his day. Foley started HHH's biggest push, and made him the star he is after the 3rd of HHH's title reigns. So, a huge kudos to Mankind at the start of this thread.

Now then, The WWf, and HHH used Chyna as his vallet/bodyguard to a Tee, the involvement of Chyna in his matches were kindly unexpected kindly were expected at the same time. When Chyna pulled HHH out of the way and Mankind went flying into the Guardrails, I was quite amused. The pedigree through the table was flipping awesome, and just sold HHH's use even more. HHH was grooming himself into a huge star, the King of the Ring in 1997, just proved he is cut out to be, what hes made to be. The King of the Ring is still used in HHH's favor today, even one of his titatrons as of late was called "King of Kings"

Wikipedia: Later that year, Shawn Michaels, Helmsley, Chyna and Rick Rude formed D-Generation X (DX). This stable later became known for pushing the envelope, as Michaels and Helmsley made risqué promos—spawning the catchphrase "Suck It", using a "crotch chop" hand motion,and sarcastically deriding Bret Hart and Canada. By that point, Helmsley had fully dropped the "blueblood snob" gimmick, appearing in T-shirts and leather.

My take: We all know how funny, and sarcastic these young men were in the ring during this time period. I don't quite remember what Rick Rude/X-pac ever did in DX so we'll just keep it at Shawn///HHH due to this fact. (If anyone wants to, fill in my blank spot there its just a lack of knowledge on the time period//wrestlers)

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Now then onto the video. This is my favorite DX promo ever, I know its not quite as good as some when it comes to terms of DXtry, but hey, everyone has their favorite when it comes to something. As much as I dislike Shawn Micheals, and as much as I think HHH carried the DX group to hell and back, I have to admit without Shawn, or HHH one, DX would be nothing.

WikipediaEven after the DX versus Hart Foundation storyline ended, Helmsley continued to feud with the sole remaining member Owen Hart over the European Championship. This culminated in a match between the two at WrestleMania XIV, with the stipulation that Chyna had to be handcuffed to then-Commissioner Sgt. Slaughter. Helmsley won after Chyna threw powder into Slaughter's eyes, momentarily "blinding" him and allowing her to interfere in the match.

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My take:Firstly, I'm not really going to talk much about the DX vs Hart foundation, simply because I was pretty dissapointed in it. All the matches I could find, and outside of a few funny DX promos I was pretty dang bored, and it was a snoozefest for me personally. I thought Shawn was carrying DX during the time period, and it was quite the snoozefest. Once HHH really took over DX is when it became fun for me. I could be the only one to think this, but Nyeh.

Now then, about the Wrestlemania match agaisnt Owen. The matche was pretty good. The Chyna stipulation entertained me. Owen was really entertaining during this match for me, but I always found him much more entertaining around Wrestlemania 10 when he beat Bret. HHH played this match great. Truly though, King sold the match for me. Quite honestly, I was bored on HHH's side. It was too, predictable during his times of the match, while with Owen it was far more "wowish" for me. HHH was up and coming during this time, but his ring work was still kindly boring. Unfortanatly for HHH//Hart, to me...Chyna stole the show at the end, making me completely forget about the match.

After WrestleMania, Michaels was forced into temporary retirement due to a legitimate back injury sustained at the Royal Rumble, and Triple H took over the leadership position in DX, claiming that his now-former associate had "dropped the ball". He introduced the returning X-Pac the night after WrestleMania and joined forces with the New Age Outlaws. It was also during this time that Triple H began a feud with the leader of the Nation of Domination and rising WWF heel, The Rock.

I can't find many matches on this, at all. Most of them are pretty boring that I can find. The promo in which HHH brought X-pac was decent, I liked how they made it sound like Shawn sucked, and that DX will do better without him. He was only holding the group back, type thing. HHH carried the new DX for quite sometime, until the whole, corporation storyline, at which Shawn vs HHH came to a head. Who really lead dx?

This, outside of some Rock/Austin promos, has to be my favorite promo ever. Shawn actually played it brilliantly for once, but HHH, man did he play this awesome. This is what they need to show to some of the new guys "How to cut a promo in the face of your opponent." Guys like Kofi, Punk, Bourne, Styles, etc, can really use some of that material to their advantage. I would really love to see a promo better than that once again outside of The Rock/Stone Cold. HBK steals some DX music, HHH "steals the dx gimmick." Shawn in a suit is just as well.

HHH then betrayed DX, X-pac and joined the corporation later in the fued. To go onto winning his first, sucky, world title reign.

Thats if for now. Hope you guys enjoyed this as much as I did, if you didn't tell me why, and what I could do to make it more enjoyable for you Thanks.

 

[notorious102]

HHH is one of the most OVERRATED wrestlers of all time!!!

He's only on top becuz he's f**king the bosses daughter!

 

[gd]

Milk, this is a great thread. I don't have the time/patience to read all of it, but from what I've seen you've done some great research and really know what you are talking about.

I agree that the Chyna/HHH combo was brilliant as well as putting him over Foley. This was the turning point of his career for sure. As for DX, meh. It was pretty entertaining but FAR from his best stuff. I'll be interested to see how you continue this. I'll be sure to check back to see how this is doing.

 

[Milkyway!]

HHH is one of the most OVERRATED wrestlers of all time!!!

He's only on top becuz he's f**king the bosses daughter!

Are you SERIOUS? HHH//Steph haven't been together all that long you know. HHH's career was skyrocketing long before they even got married. Get the hell over yourself, if you're going to make posts like this, please. Post an arguement. HHH had 3-4 title reigns if not more before they even got married storyline wise. Let alone in real life. As well as HHH has earned every second of it, Steph has shown backstage several times she doesn't screw around with what she wants. Shes a business woman, she takes care of the business.

So please, learn some crap, outside of hes banging the bosses daughter. Steph isn't in need of money, and more than likely could give a crap about what her husband does on live television. Its not all that great to say "Yeah my husbands the WWE champion, I own that company, isn't that professional??" I don't think so. It makes both of them look bad if you think about it, but they can't help if they are in love, and have 2 children together. The fact that HHH is that dang good, is just part of it.

 

[notorious102]

Are you SERIOUS? HHH//Steph haven't been together all that long you know. HHH's career was skyrocketing long before they even got married. Get the hell over yourself, if you're going to make posts like this, please. Post an arguement. HHH had 3-4 title reigns if not more before they even got married storyline wise. Let alone in real life. As well as HHH has earned every second of it, Steph has shown backstage several times she doesn't screw around with what she wants. Shes a business woman, she takes care of the business.

So please, learn some crap, outside of hes banging the bosses daughter. Steph isn't in need of money, and more than likely could give a crap about what her husband does on live television. Its not all that great to say "Yeah my husbands the WWE champion, I own that company, isn't that professional??" I don't think so. It makes both of them look bad if you think about it, but they can't help if they are in love, and have 2 children together. The fact that HHH is that dang good, is just part of it.

Umm, no youre WRONG! You learn your crap! HHH's career skyrocketed when him & Steph started having am affair. Yes they didn't get married right away, but they were still having an affair ... & that's when his career all of a sudden skyrocketed.... Use your little brain & think about it... The time they started having an affair & the time they got married are two totally different times!

There's a reason why HHH had so many problems w/Stone Cold & The Rock. They were truely talented that got to the top on their own. But HHH & Steph started sleeping together & HHH all of a sudden got a big undeserved push that caused friction between him & those other two becuz they were in their rightful spots .... HHH wasn't !

 

[Coco]

I have no idea how you can say the way to improve the mic skills of the young guys is to emulate Triple H's promos. That is a blind mark talking, not the rational poster I know you are. Young guys get little freedom or time on the mic, far different from the situation Triple H normally finds himself in. It has nothing to do with the young guys lacking mic skills, as Punk in particular could give Triple H a run for his money if given the freedom to do so. Having AJ Styles take notes on a Triple H promo won't help him though. Not everybody has it on the mic, and Triple H isn't some fucking gold standard on the stick who will solve those problems.