Sorry for the late reply, i've had a busy few days.
If you shine a turd long enough, guess what it is in the end still, a shiny turd. What can you do with a shiny turd. Well, you might find some people gullable enough to say "Hey, that's just not any plain old turd, it's shiny, I want it". But when you take it home, open it up, and look at it, in the end its a turd and it still stinks like shit, that's Jeff Hardy. Jeff Hardy has improved, how so? Instead of being stuck in lower to mid card level feuds, the WWE and it's marketing machine has done everythign in its power to shove Jeff Hardy down our throats since his return. In this process, he's been in the ring with guys like Randy Orton, Shawn Michaels, and Triple H. These guys can have a good match with anybody. For every "good" Jeff Hardy match, there are two to three terrible Jeff Hardy matches. The improvment of Jeff Hardy is merely an optical illusion brought on by the real m ain event calibre opponents he faces. The world will get to see how "great" Jeff Hardy in when as champion he has to carry someone to a good match, that's assuming that they keep the title on him long enough, and assuming that they trust him in a match that doesn't include the likes of Shawn Michaels, Triple H, the Undertaker, Edge, Randy Orton, Chris jericho, or a list of any other people that are better and good enough to cover up the crap that is Jeff Hardy.
First of all, he has improved in the fact that he can get the fans to care about him. While before he had to jump off something to get a reaction, if you watch him now he gets a reaction no matter what he does. The most important skill of a wrestler is to provoke a strong emotional response from the audience. Jeff can do that better than anyone at the moment, he had the fans eating out of his hand to the extent that he was cheered over Triple H. You can say this is a case of WWE shoving him down our throats, but why does John Cena not get the same response? Or Batista? He IS the most popular guy in WWE at the moment.
Second, name them. I cannot recall a single bad match Jeff Hardy has had in a good while. Probably the worst one i can remember is the Last Man Standing match with Umaga, which is not recent by any means.
As I said earlier, when has Jeff Hardy actually carried anyone to a good match. The "good" matches Jeff Hardy has that people associate with Jeff Hardy often include him jumping off of something high, or going through a table. Yippie fucking do. That's not a great worker, that's a glorified stuntman, nothing more, nothing less. Unlike Mick Foley who will take a bump and make both guys look good, Jeff Hardy can only do big bumps,b ecause it's the only reason why anyone gives a damn about the guy.
Not at all true. He had people on their feet for that dreadful Ally-Oop on Brian Kendrick, and the same reaction every time he has done it since. As i said, Jeff Hardy has had the audience eating out of his hand since returning from his last suspension, and you cannot deny unless you haven't watched the show.
As far as carrying someone go, you answered your own question. There is no one to carry, including Jeff Hardy. WWE haven't put someone incapable in the main event since The Great Khali. Since when has WWE's main event scene been based on who can carry who anyway?
And yes, I can damn well say in a 100% completely unbiased opinion that Jeff Hardy has no respect for the wrestling business and only sees it as somethign that gives him a paycheck. You don't respect the business when you walk out of two different companies, and piss away multiple opportunities so you can get your fix on, and still not admit that you have a problem. Men work their entire lives that love and respect that title, and don't sniff it. Jeff Hardy thought it was too ahrd, so he picked his ball up, and left two companies when it got too tough.
Correction, he has admitted he has a problem. That is why they let him back into WWE in the first place. Do you really think they would give a chance to a guy who was in denial of a past drug problem. And look at the word i used here, PAST drug problem. He doesn't have one any more. If you turn around and say that he shouldn't be given the opportunity based on his past problems, then i will accept that as a valid opinion, but only if you say you felt/feel the same way about Chris Benoit, Eddie Guerrero, Brian Kendrick, MVP (he, of course, was in prison), RVD, and anyone else with a shady past.
No, the long gloves hiding the track marks on his arm give me the indication of what Jeff Hardy is on, damn those WWE HD cameras for picking up little subtle things like that. And when did I say Meth head in this thread, checking once, checking twice, nope. I say he had a substance abuse problem, and regardless of what you want to think or not, things are illegal for a reason. He failed twice, whether it's something minor (unlikely) or major (given his track record and his unrepentant history of not admitting his problem, I'll take this one). With any place in life, if you can prove what you have is prescribed by a physician, you fail. It's simple. Stay off shit, no matter what it is, that will get yous uspended. Seems pretty simple.
Yes, you saw something that no one else saw. It is clear that the first half of this paragraph is a lie based solely on the fact that no reputable source picked up on it. If they can pick up incidents through Chinese Whispers, like Hardy being taken off a flight, or Joey Styles' confrontation with JBL, and sensationalise it then surely they would pick up on something they would plainly see on TV.
Also, the latter half is also not true. Sure, it isn't false logic to believe that if Jeff Hardy is a popular as he his, so could get away with it, but what about, to use the example again, William Regal. Someone who was in a major storyline but lost his momentum due to the suspension, so could have easily been removed. And moreover, Dolph Ziggler, who could and would have been removed from TV and the company if it was a serious violation, but was not only put back on TV but also put on TV WITH A PUSH. That is undoubtable evidence that a wellness violation with always result in suspension, regardless of how minor it is.
I've actually said plenty on why Jeff Hardy is terrible. Son I've forgotten more about wrestling then you will ever know, is that something to be proud of, maybe not. You want to bust out the wikipedia thing, typical crap argument last defense move on your part. I've watched wrestling since 1985, I've seen good people come, I've seen bad people rise to the top. I've watched every Royal Rumble since it's inception. You simply go to the Jim Duggan and his only major accomplishment, so I obviosuly don't know what I'm talking about. I happen to remember Jim Duggan being one of the most over faces in the company for many years. Remember the pops he got as far back as Wrestlemania 3, nope probably not. Jim Duggan has been as over with the fans as Jeff Hardy could ever have hoped to be, yet you assume that I'm only throwing him out there to slander Jeff Hardy. No, Jim Duggan was more over for a longer period of time, when the business was actually popular. Yet, the, well he's popular argument never flies with Jim Duggan? Why not, it's essentially the only argument Jeff Hardy fans have. He's popular, you knwo what, alot of people are popular, you don't see them carrying gold belts around their waste.
And you continue to bust out generalisations, assuming you know me and my knowledge of wrestling. You don't.
You missed the entire point of Jim Duggen. Sure he was popular, but has never been THE guy in WWF/E. Are you seriously suggesting he was more over than Hulk Hogan? Or Randy Savage? Or Ultimate Warrior? No, he never was. Jeff Hardy on the other hand gets the biggest face reaction in the entire WWE at the moment. That is the major difference. Rinse and repeat with every other guy you've listen.
No. It's because the WWE invest money into guys taht are no longer here. Here they have a situation where they know what they have, and yet still put their belt on the guy with two strikes. By giving the belt to Jeff Hardy with him being as unrepented as he has been, essentially enables the guy to do whatever he wants without any fear of consequence. What reason would Jeff Hardy have not to screw up again when the WWE is going to do nothing to him?
But they will. They suspended William Regal who was the most hated guy on RAW at the time, putting an end to that storyline. They suspended Mr Kennedy on the cusp of the massive Vince McMahon's son storyline. RVD's de-push is another example. Of course they would do something about it. If it happens you'll see, but considering he has not officially failed a wellness test due to drug use since returning, why would he?
Actually I just did, again and again. You offer nothing but the same old sorry well the guys over argument which has about much weight to it as a paper clip. The guy is below average in the ring, has Warrioresque ability on the microphone. The only reason the guy is over is because he's colorful and does stuff thats going to leave him with a permanent bend in his back by the time he is 35.
No you haven't, you keep posting sensationalist comments with have zero backing. You cannot prove any of it. My points on the other hand are backed up. Watch Smackdown if you don't believe he is over. Watch the reaction when he won the title if you don't believe people were behind him. And of course, being over and getting the crowd behind you is the main reason why someone should become a champion (with some exceptions, such as Matt Hardy being a ring general and Khali being a monster allowing a face opponent to have a greater journey).
Your entire argument has been you believing you know more than WWE, a billion dollar business that dominates the wrestling industry, which everyone knows is not true. You used the term 'unbiased' earlier, which is hilarious, because you are everything but unbiased. If in two decades you are still on one of these forum, Jeff Hardy has been put into the Hall of Fame and is being named as one of the greatest of this era you would still call him a spotmonkey that didn't deserve his spot. You are just too stubborn to accept Hardy now as a contrast to Hardy gone.
And why in the world would anyone want to pay to watch Triple H vs. Jeff Hardy yet again on pay per view? You can only have this match so many time before people have had enough. What incentive would anyone have to buy this besides the fact that it is the Royal Rumble?
There are a number of reasons. One reason is because Jeff Hardy did not pin HHH and won due to hitting his move from nowhere on HHH, stealing the victory. Second reason is because it is the Royal Rumble and people WILL buy for the Rumble Match in any case. Third and Fourth reasons, which are the most important is because it is
Jeff Hardy versus
Triple H. It is a continuation of Hardy's rise to the top which, while it has been somewhat damped by his win at Armageddon, but still exists never the less. The heated feud HHH and Hardy have had with Hardy seemingly snapping and the potential that HHH was Hardy's attacker. And of course, because they are both over a rover.
