**Merged** Miz MITB contract Discussion - ALL IN HERE
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First of all I messed up. I voted yes, Miz will be successful, But that was an accident. I clicked Yes to answer the thread title - such an over complicated thread.
Anyway, down to business. I have said before on here that I think Miz will lose. The fact it has been mentioned so much that he is a future champ by Cole (mentioned in regards to MITB) makes me think he will lose, BUT we all know he is a future champ which is one reason to make him the guy that loses. Out of every winner so far the Miz needs it the least, because regardless he will be a huge star.
The other point is that there has been a few teasers of him cashing it in for the Wrestlemania main event. Which leads me to think that perhaps after failing to cash in after the rumble title match - The Miz enters the rumble, is victorious, and hence roll on Wrestlemania were either Cena or Orton will hold a metaphorical baton that is picked up after a skull crushing finale.
Anyway, down to business. I have said before on here that I think Miz will lose. The fact it has been mentioned so much that he is a future champ by Cole (mentioned in regards to MITB) makes me think he will lose, BUT we all know he is a future champ which is one reason to make him the guy that loses. Out of every winner so far the Miz needs it the least, because regardless he will be a huge star.
The other point is that there has been a few teasers of him cashing it in for the Wrestlemania main event. Which leads me to think that perhaps after failing to cash in after the rumble title match - The Miz enters the rumble, is victorious, and hence roll on Wrestlemania were either Cena or Orton will hold a metaphorical baton that is picked up after a skull crushing finale.
He can only cash in on the WWE champion. So that isn't happening.
TheLoneLegend
Dark Match Winner
Thank you. You just proved my point on the one and ONLY reason why Jeff Hardy was ever handed a World title. Cause it sure the hell wasn't his ability to wrestle or cut a promo.
Miz on the other hand WILL put people in seats, to tune in, and buy PPVs because he is so obnoxious and full of himself, you WANT to see him lose. Not everything is about Merchandise sales, they are just a very nice added perk. It's more important to be able to get people to Love you or Love to hate you. Miz does this well.
Ok Jericho and Punk you beat me with. Flair is an embarrassment to himself now of days, I grew up watching this man and all the respect in the world for him, but he needs to go away. Anderson has his cool little thing he does at first when he comes out, but seriously after that his real promo skill is really not that great. He babbles to much about totally unimportant stuff. Edge is one injury away from retirement and really his promos have been lacking. Burke, I'm still on the fence about him, he's good but seems to lack consists.
To not say Miz's mic skills aren't amazing though is kind of ignorant. Don't base it off of your personal opinion, listen to and watch the crowd. The moment he speaks he has the crowd word for word. He gets the reaction he wants, when he wants it. Not more then maybe a baker's dozen worth of guys can do that, that are currently active wrestler's.
Nothing above average, ok. So tell me then, when was being average or above average a bad thing? Hulk Hogan when he actually wrestled prior to the WWF was average in the ring and his charisma carried him to one of the biggest names ever in the industry, although I think he has tarnished it a lot over the last 6 or so years. Now I'm not calling Miz Hulk Hogan, but the man does have an incredible amount of natural charisma. Miz is still coming into his Prime. He has tons of time to improve and well looking back over the past year, hell even the past two years, Miz has improved more then any wrestler in TNA or WWE. If not, please name someone who has improved as much in the ring, on the stick, with the crowd in general, and with publicity.
Sean Valjean
Lets Bitch About This Thing We Love
I'm starting to think he will. They've really been playing up the whole "every cash-in has been a success" shtick and while that doesn't necessarily mean he'll lose, it's a good possibility.
Regardless, I personally think that the Miz SHOULD lose. I love the Miz to death, but someone really has to fail at a cash in. And honestly, The Miz may be the best man for that.
Think about it, does The Miz REALLY need a MITB win? He is a pretty big star now and he's only going to keep going up. So much so that I think he could get to the main event and a world title on his own.
If The Miz loses his MITB match, would that really hurt him all that much? The guy is red-hot and with Vince behind him, he'd bounce back from it immediately. Who knows, he could even come out a loss better than before.
So while Miz winning the world title would be a hell of a moment, I don't think it should happen via MIT
Regardless, I personally think that the Miz SHOULD lose. I love the Miz to death, but someone really has to fail at a cash in. And honestly, The Miz may be the best man for that.
Think about it, does The Miz REALLY need a MITB win? He is a pretty big star now and he's only going to keep going up. So much so that I think he could get to the main event and a world title on his own.
If The Miz loses his MITB match, would that really hurt him all that much? The guy is red-hot and with Vince behind him, he'd bounce back from it immediately. Who knows, he could even come out a loss better than before.
So while Miz winning the world title would be a hell of a moment, I don't think it should happen via MIT
That's kind of predicting the future though. There have been many obnoxious characters in WWE before that ended up failing, unfortunately, there is no telling at this point whether Miz will be successful or not
fair enough
I would appreciate it if he stopped wrestling, but his promos are still entertaining as hell.
Ehh we're going to have to agree to disagree there, I think he's great
Edge's injuries are irrelevant to his mic skills. Personally I think his ring skills have been the thing he's been lacking in lately, IMO he still cuts better promos then most of WWE's roster
You know, I think I agree with that. He cuts some really funny promos some times but at other times he overdoes it IMO
I do not base my personal enjoyment of promos solely on crowd reactions. Let me give you an example. Say RAW was in New York one night. Miz comes out and cuts a promo saying "hey guys guess what, the yankees are the worst baseball team ever". In that case the crowd would be pissed but I would not care because I don't follow baseball.
I think Miz is getting a major push and that is why the crowd reacts to him, I don't think it is because his promos are stellar.
I'm actually not picky at all with ring skills. I brought that up only because you said that Miz actually wrestles well in response to somebody who was supporting Jeff Hardy. It's just that if you are going to bash Jeff's ring skills... Miz ain't that better. Jeff botches more and is currently out of shape but it isn't like Miz is THAT much more entertaining in the ring
I actually think Miz's mic skills have gone down over the years. Sure he's given better material to say now, because what he used to say was garbage, but he used to have a lot more enthusiasm.
I do agree with you on one thing though, which is that he always has time to improve. I personally just do not enjoy him at all right now but he may win me over some day, who knows
btw this is not related to anything whatsoever but I just realized that you are from the greatest state in this country
LOL I did the same thing!
tru_overdose
Occasional Pre-Show
Really.
look at everyone you named.
1.Orton - doesnt need to win the MITB to win the title. it would be a waste.
2. Jericho - see number 1.
3. Bourne - Not Ready
4. Dibiase - the only other true option, but in the same boat as the miz. not ready.
5. Morrison - not heel and not ready.
6. Edge - see number 1
7. Henry - no. just flat out no.
to me it was an obvious coinflip between miz and dibiase, and at the end of the day, dibiase has the million dollar title and that whole gimmick going. there was no other option, that made any sense, than to have the miz win.
i realize the whole concept of the match was to push one of the mid carders up the ladder, but the miz was simply the default choice.
i also think that due to the swagger fail, they wont prematurely push another average superstar to lead one of their shows. i have seen stranger things, but the proof is in the pudding. that world title situation on raw is already a clusterfuck, they wont put the miz in there.
Miz is too hot to fail.
If Miz is the first to fail at cashing in it'll severely set him back. Being branded as the first failure would not suit someone who has been on fire the past couple months at all.
I think it may be a while yet until The Miz cashes in, perhaps he'll wait until next year's money in the bank, but he will cash it in and win the championship. Once again, he's just too hot not to.
If Miz is the first to fail at cashing in it'll severely set him back. Being branded as the first failure would not suit someone who has been on fire the past couple months at all.
I think it may be a while yet until The Miz cashes in, perhaps he'll wait until next year's money in the bank, but he will cash it in and win the championship. Once again, he's just too hot not to.
First, let me say thanks for a mature response to my post. That's unheard of lately.
But to address your issues. If they were going to have ONE of the MITB winners fail to achieve the championship, why would they give it to someone they want to push? You have plenty of guys to push, not all heels, but let's pretend Morrison won it. Punk won it as a face and turned heel by cashing in on Hardy right? Everyone's speculating (I know, speculation etc) that Morrison is due for a Heel turn. But right now, the only people that were in MITB that are currently being pushed at all are Miz, Bourne and DiBiase. Unless you WANT the winner to fail, you give it to one of them. Bourne, while not quite ready, would have been a great choice. A darkhorse if you will. Let him win, and then go on to challenge Sheamus for the title. If he wins, it's a ZOMG moment. If he loses, he doesn't lose clean and that allows him to continue chasing it.
I think the same thing may happen with the Miz. Although every fiber of my being says he's successful at cashing in, there's a small voice in my head saying he may fail. If he fails it will be due to interference, being tired from an earlier match or simply being surprised by an "out of nowhere" roll up pin. He's not going to cash in and lose outright, there will be circumstances.
I do not think that the Miz will be the first one to fail. I think that at Summerslam he will actually win the championship. His title win will be huge as I see things playing out like this...
Miz joins team WWE to replace the Great Khali... During the match it gets down to 2 on 2 and the Miz turns and attacks John Cena, and the Nexus wins and are still a group.
Next, Orton Beats Sheamus for the WWE title. Afterwards the NXT comes down and beats up Orton on a 7 on 1 beatdown, then the Miz's Titantron goes off and he runs down to cash in the MITB. Once Orton regains consciousness he will get the Skull Crushing Finale, with the 7 other Nexus members watching around making sure that the Miz wins. Once the Miz has the Title he will reveal that he is the leader of the Nexus!
After this the Miz will be a great vocal leader for the Nexus, and is the perfect character to do so. He is arrogant, has no alliances with anyone currently. He is new, and was disrespected by WWE on his way to the top. The Nexus have been staying out of the Miz's business as well. All of these signs point to the Miz being the leader of the Nexus. He will instantly become the #1 heel and give more cred to the NXT group. With the WWE and US Titles, he can distribute the US title to someone else in the group, and have a huge stable to back him up at title matches.
Miz joins team WWE to replace the Great Khali... During the match it gets down to 2 on 2 and the Miz turns and attacks John Cena, and the Nexus wins and are still a group.
Next, Orton Beats Sheamus for the WWE title. Afterwards the NXT comes down and beats up Orton on a 7 on 1 beatdown, then the Miz's Titantron goes off and he runs down to cash in the MITB. Once Orton regains consciousness he will get the Skull Crushing Finale, with the 7 other Nexus members watching around making sure that the Miz wins. Once the Miz has the Title he will reveal that he is the leader of the Nexus!
After this the Miz will be a great vocal leader for the Nexus, and is the perfect character to do so. He is arrogant, has no alliances with anyone currently. He is new, and was disrespected by WWE on his way to the top. The Nexus have been staying out of the Miz's business as well. All of these signs point to the Miz being the leader of the Nexus. He will instantly become the #1 heel and give more cred to the NXT group. With the WWE and US Titles, he can distribute the US title to someone else in the group, and have a huge stable to back him up at title matches.
I love this post! Dude - I would seriously love to see this whole play take place that you are referring too! I DO NOT THINK THE MIZ WILL DROP HIS TITLE. If the Miz does lose the MTB cash in (which he strongly might), then I sure hope there is a strong storyline that keeps The Miz in the spotlight and does not drop The Miz out in the blue dark somewhere. The whole Nexus Angle with The Miz though, LOL - I LOVE IT! I would really love to see that whole thing play out!
the_A-LIST
Dark Match Winner
Can't work. There looking for a top FACE superstar to turn heel, and the Miz, he's really overrated. Also the main event at summerslam is the 7 on 7 match so there's no way he can cash in the title on the same night and be revealed as the leader unless he cashes it in the same night then joins team WWE and the champion. Honestly I think he's going to fail. He is trolling about being the Money in the bank holder so much that it's getting really obvious that he's not going to succeed cashing it in.
brighamosity
Getting Noticed By Management
You guys are talking about The Miz like his push will somehow be over if he loses. Not a chance! As everyone is saying, the announcers, wrestlers, and Miz himself keep playing this whole "No one has ever lost" thing. And Miz keeps taunting Orton and Sheamus saying how he might cash in after their match. It is just far too predicable for him to win.
But that's ok. Miz will not lose steam if he loses. It's just character develop. Everyone loves a good story. If Miz wins now, it will be no different than every other MITB winner. But I fully expect him to lose at Summerslam and turn face shortly after (possibly by joining Team WWE in their match with Nexus) There is an incredible story to be told if the Miz loses cleanly, makes a face turn, then wins the Rumble or something and goes on to win at Wrestlemania. I know we're used to seeing angles that only last a month or two but I really feel that this has the potential to go on for a long time. We can see a whole different side of the Miz if he loses at Summerslam, a side that I'd really look forward to seeing.
But that's ok. Miz will not lose steam if he loses. It's just character develop. Everyone loves a good story. If Miz wins now, it will be no different than every other MITB winner. But I fully expect him to lose at Summerslam and turn face shortly after (possibly by joining Team WWE in their match with Nexus) There is an incredible story to be told if the Miz loses cleanly, makes a face turn, then wins the Rumble or something and goes on to win at Wrestlemania. I know we're used to seeing angles that only last a month or two but I really feel that this has the potential to go on for a long time. We can see a whole different side of the Miz if he loses at Summerslam, a side that I'd really look forward to seeing.
I believe he's on way to big of a push at the moment to lose the briefcase or lose the match when he cashes it in. I think the IWC is making to big of a deal with this Randy Orton pissed at Miz situation. If he was even really mad at Miz. It's nothing like the Kennedy situation that guy was a huge let down to management a threat to himself and others.
Management is really high on Miz from reports I've read plus Cena has been going to bat for him also. I think they have been possible testing a face turn for him. If he does make it as a face I think he'll be the first since RVD to set a date to catch it in possible at Wrestlemania.
Management is really high on Miz from reports I've read plus Cena has been going to bat for him also. I think they have been possible testing a face turn for him. If he does make it as a face I think he'll be the first since RVD to set a date to catch it in possible at Wrestlemania.
brighamosity
Getting Noticed By Management
You are completely missing the point dude. No one's saying he won't win as punishment or because management doesn't like him. They're saying he won't win because it will be part of a bigger storyline. Cena loses to Sheamus all the time; it doesn't mean management is punishing him, nor has it hurt his credibility. You can still lose and get over.
barclayteo
Pre-Show Stalwart
well i got to say either way the miz needs to lose the us title soon and put it on someone who can make it look good the way they are going its going to turn into the new version of the cruserweight title because look at it this way the unified tag titles are basically raw now. so he needs to lose it either way even if he loses it i doubt it will hurt him. moving on i think he will be the first to fail at cashing it in i doubt it will be at summerslam maybe hell in the cell or night of champions. but here is how i see it he losses it and that transitions him into a face cause with the way he is going sooner or later he is gonna be the new cena
This isn't a horrible idea. I actually kind of like some of it. I had stated in earlier post that Miz SHOULD successfully cash in, but in the event that he doesn't the only storyline that would work for me would be if Daniel Bryan was the one who screwed Miz.
As far as your idea, there's a couple holes in it for me. #1 I think Team WWE VS Nexus will close the show. Obivously for you Idea to work Orton vs Sheamus has to close (and it is for the WWE CHampionship which would normally close any show) but I think they have spent way more time building up the Nexus angle than they have the Orton/Sheamus match, therefore I think Nexus will close the show. The other reason I think Nexus will close is the big payoff for who is BEHIND The Nexus. I think most fans are more interested in who will turn on Team WWE (Cena, Hart, Miz?) and reveal themselves as the leader of Nexus, then are actually interested in who will win the match itself. (Nexus HAS to win!)
BUT BUT BUT IF IF IF they went with your idea and had Orton/Sheamus last, then Miz cashing in and being revealed as the Leader could still be a good enough payoff to end the show. Then there is always the third option that Nexus vs Team WWE closes the show, but earlier Miz cashed in and won the WWE Championship WITHOUT the help of Nexus, THEN joined Team WWE as the WWE Champion to Help, but then turned anyways and revealed afterwards that he was the Leader. wooooooooooooooo!
My 2nd Problem is you idea of Miz awarding the US Title to someone else within Nexus. Titles should NEVER NEVER NEVER be awarded. EVER. I would prefer that Miz lose his US Title before winning the WWE Title, but I think WWE would just have him relinquish it and then hold a tournament to crown a new champ.
The 3rd thing I will point out is this. They haven't talked much about it recently, but Wade Barrett still has a contract of his own for a title match on PPV. So how would it work if Miz is WWE Champ and Leader of Nexus, but Wade is sitting there with his own contract? It wouldn't be good for the dynamic of the group. I personally still think that Bret Hart is Leader of Nexus because he can play the Mentor/Manger/Coach Role of the group while Wade is still its "Captain" in the field/in the ring.
I'm not trying to rip your post at all. I DO REALLY Like some of the elements and ideas you presented. The Psychology is great. I just wanted to point out some areas that would generate thought provoking discussion.
keep it coming!
El Rev sXe
If you have ghosts...
I really want to see The Miz become the champ succefully....however I think there is something wrong here.....
I mean, after he won the MitB, he gave this speech wich was like he wa LREADY champion. but OK, I can seehis excitement, however we've seen him say time after time that he WILL BE champion. I mean he is insist too much. plus you have the fact that everytime he is "about to cash-in" his briefcase somethig happends and screw's him.
I know that this could all be coincidences or part of his gimmick/storyine with the briefcase...however I feel that the E is saying "yeah it's so obvious he is going to win the championship" only to make him lose...
"but that's not a bad thing, it's good thing!" as many said before me this could lead to a new and imrpove heel Miz. an agressive one!
oh and miky0301 great idea!, as someone said the only problem with your idea is the fact that Nexus/WWE probably is going to close the PPV
I mean, after he won the MitB, he gave this speech wich was like he wa LREADY champion. but OK, I can seehis excitement, however we've seen him say time after time that he WILL BE champion. I mean he is insist too much. plus you have the fact that everytime he is "about to cash-in" his briefcase somethig happends and screw's him.
I know that this could all be coincidences or part of his gimmick/storyine with the briefcase...however I feel that the E is saying "yeah it's so obvious he is going to win the championship" only to make him lose...
"but that's not a bad thing, it's good thing!" as many said before me this could lead to a new and imrpove heel Miz. an agressive one!
oh and miky0301 great idea!, as someone said the only problem with your idea is the fact that Nexus/WWE probably is going to close the PPV
I think he has to fail to bring some legiticimy back to the breifcase...
It seems like there's no shocker....
You get the briefcase, you'll be a champ when you want to be...
It is supposed to be, win the briefcase for a chance whenever you want with in the next year to TRY and win a title of your choosing....
So why would they all be victorious all the time?
A couple people have to loose or I think they should scrap the concept
It seems like there's no shocker....
You get the briefcase, you'll be a champ when you want to be...
It is supposed to be, win the briefcase for a chance whenever you want with in the next year to TRY and win a title of your choosing....
So why would they all be victorious all the time?
A couple people have to loose or I think they should scrap the concept
WweBreezybre
Occasional Pre-Show
Hey guys I've been wondering this for a while is miz free to cash in on a smackdown superstar? I mean there is nothing really stoping him from doing so. We never heard offical word that this contract must be cashed in for the Wwe championship.Ok now it is rumured that Undertaker is suppose to show up in some form at SS. Have Kane beat Rey( which I doubt ) Undertaker chokeslam Kane and leave the ring,Miz run to the ring and cash in. Noone would expect it. This could move Miz to Smackdown because i feel there is to much going on in Raw for Miz to get the exposure he needs.What do you think?
KnowYoRole
Getting Noticed By Management
There was a RAW MITB ladder match and a SD MITB ladder match. The RAW MITB briefcase can only be used on RAW titles and the SD MITB briefcase can only be used on SD titles.
WweBreezybre
Occasional Pre-Show
I understand that there were 2 money in the bank matches but they never said that it had to be defended on Raw there is no Raw label on the briefcase.
