**MERGED** Chris Jericho Suspended

[Rayne]

Wow kicking the national flag into the crowd being such a big deal???

The United States is the exception to the rule in most countries. While people here revile the act of desecrating a flag, it's not an illegal act due to our very liberal interpretation of what "freedom of speech" is. Most countries these days have some form of 'freedom of speech' guarantee, with exclusions. For a non-flag related example, denial of the Holocaust is an arrestable offense in Germany. Most countries in the world look upon desecrating a flag as a criminal act, because a flag is a physical representation of the values a country represents. There's a reason why men have stood and died on the field of battle with a flag in their hands, rather than surrender it to an enemy.

That being said, holy FUCK. Wrong country to pull this shit in. You'd think people would have learned after JBL, and if not JBL, then surely Fit Finlay. Apparently not. This is one of those situations that's just fucked up enough to be entirely believable. I find it hard to believe that someone who's been around as long as Chris Jericho wouldn't know better.

 

[akrassikauda]

The ONLY silver lining to this whole situation is now Jericho doesn't have to reduce himself to a feud with Randy BOREton. I was so worried that WWE were going to make Jericho lose to the guy at NWO. At least now, the match may seemingly be off and we don't need to someone of Jericho's high standard losing to someone that talentless.

So..silver lining in a sea of suck.

You mean the guy Jericho has good ring chemistry with that Randy Boreton that guy that's the guy your talking about.

I'd be willing to bet this was scripted to happen. WWE has tried stuff like this before to try and blurr the lines of scripted and real

From that statement I bet Vince and co. is saying, "yeah lets have millions of people ask for us to come do a tour in their country when we're trying to open up knew markets then have one of our popular world renoun talents shit all over them that sounds like great business because we should do something really cutting edge to blur the lines of scripted and reality"

 

[newteenforbb]

You mean the guy Jericho has good ring chemistry with that Randy Boreton that guy that's the guy your talking about.

Yes. That guy. The guy that Jericho carries in the ring. The guy that Jericho makes look good. That guy indeed.

Guys, seriously- relax. This isn't going to hurt Jericho. He will be off a few weeks, do his Fozzy stuff, and relax. And not having to carry and put over BOREton is the best consolation prize. No harm, no foul.

 

[Hollywood Naitch]

My only question Will WWE ever take him back after this incident, Chris is really, really lucky he is not in a Brazilian prison right now after that hopefully he will learn his lesson do not get caught up in the heat of the moment and do something stupid like kick a flag.

So...wait...there was the actual possibility that Jericho could have gone to fucking prison because he KICKED A FLAG?!

There are thugs all over the country who are found guilty of theft, assault and other things far worse, and get a fine or something like that but Jericho actually kicked a flag. Wow. Talk about over-reaction.

Everyone is proud of their nation, I personally am very patriotic about England but if Jericho had come to the UK, insulted the English people (as I have personally witnessed several wrestlers do Live) and kicked our flag out of the ring, would I have gone insane? No, I would have booed him like a heel.

Jesus, there are far worse things for the Brazillian people to deal with, why don't they concentrate on dealing with the murders, gangs and drugs in their cities than kick up a huge fuss over a guy pretending to have a problem with their country on a wrestling show.

If it IS illegal, and it does seem it is, Jericho was playing a character its not like it he was serious about disrespecting Brazil, then the apology should be enough. There is absolutely no reason at all for WWE to suspend him, if indeed he is genuinely suspended and this is not a storyline.

 

[mdj2010]

This is so pathetic. Pride in one'c country is a great thing, but this isn;t pride, this is ego. Quite frankly, as far as im concerned, you can take all the flags from around the world and shove them in a giant furnace, it means nothing.

In this particular example, Jericho was playing a role. What should he do, get on his knees and pray to the damn thing. its only a piece of fabric someone has dyed.

 

[rge2010]

The Brazilians know that WWE is scripted and a show right??? I wonder if this kind of behaviour happened on a film set the actor would be suspended from shooting the film and threatened with arresst?

Pathetic really. Get a grip Brazil.

 

[akrassikauda]

Yes. That guy. The guy that Jericho carries in the ring. The guy that Jericho makes look good. That guy indeed.

Guys, seriously- relax. This isn't going to hurt Jericho. He will be off a few weeks, do his Fozzy stuff, and relax. And not having to carry and put over BOREton is the best consolation prize. No harm, no foul.

Show me video of either one carrying the other and I'll sell you a brigde in Brooklyn that's over 100 years old the term "carried" is like the term "buried" smarks use it without knowing what it truly means to try to sound cool but sound stupid instead.

 

[newteenforbb]

Show me video of either one carrying the other and I'll sell you a brigde in Brooklyn that's over 100 years old the term "carried" is like the term "buried" smarks use it without knowing what it truly means to try to sound cool but sound stupid instead.

Alright, fine. You want me to be literal, I will. Jericho MAKES BOREton look good in the ring. Carries him in terms of making the match work himself. Alright? There you go.

 

[moneymaker90]

Since I can speak portuguese (mainly because I am Portuguese) I looked up the Brazilian law about the flag and it roughly translates into: destroy or insult/offend the flag, badges or national symbols when displayed in public is punishable with 2 to 4 years in jail.

So if Jericho did do that (to my knowledge there is no video of it) I pretty much believe that the brazillian cops would do that. The only reason that they didn't arrest him it's because he is a celebrity. If he was a common Joe, Jericho would be in jail now.

 

[akrassikauda]

Alright, fine. You want me to be literal, I will. Jericho MAKES BOREton look good in the ring. Carries him in terms of making the match work himself. Alright? There you go.

Whatever... in the smarky world you live in Rocky also "carried" Cena at WM 28,Andre really wanted to put Hogan over at WM III, Katie Vick was the greatest storyline ever but since you can't show me video of ehtier "carrying" the other no bridge for you.

 

[Nada]

This topic is disappointing because so many american posters are showing complete ignorance towards a foreign nation (surprise!).

Many nations are very patriotic, kinda like how USA was after 9/11. If someone kicked the US flag shortly after 9/11 i am pretty sure americans everywhere would have been pretty pissed off. Well that is how it is in other patriotic countries all the time.

That is their custom, their rules, we can debate up and down whether its silly or not. But what cannot be debated is that Jericho is a freaking moron, he could have gotten killed because of it.

As for WWE, i doubt they care all that much, they were using Jericho for anything at all, he was just losing to guys left and right.

 

[HBsam31]

It seems like these things come up every so often. HBK routinely denigrated the Canadian flag, all the stuff with Sgt Slaughter, and also JBL with the Nazi stuff. I believe he gave the Hitler salute in Germany which I also think is illegal there. Not sure why this case is being blown up. Am guessing it is a storyline to write him off tv for a short time.

 

[Rayne]

Ridiculous.
IT'S A FUCKING WRESTLING SHOW.
Brazil, join the fucking 21st century.....IT'S A WORK!

This is so pathetic. Pride in one'c country is a great thing, but this isn;t pride, this is ego. Quite frankly, as far as im concerned, you can take all the flags from around the world and shove them in a giant furnace, it means nothing.

In this particular example, Jericho was playing a role. What should he do, get on his knees and pray to the damn thing. its only a piece of fabric someone has dyed.

The Brazilians know that WWE is scripted and a show right??? I wonder if this kind of behaviour happened on a film set the actor would be suspended from shooting the film and threatened with arresst?

Pathetic really. Get a grip Brazil.

There are more important things than a professional wrestling performance.

Stop all of this "it was a script" bullshit, as if that excuses it. If you have a performer drop his tights in the ring and start *********ing, he's still going to become a sex offender, even it it was "just a work". Shit, wrestling isn't real, people should know better, right?

You don't have to agree with the idea that a flag is the physical representation of a nation's ideals, but you do have to understand that quite a lot of the world believes that, myself included. I don't care if you take a shit on a cloth with red and white stripes and stars. I will think that you are one of the most uncouth idiots I've ever seen if you shit on the American Flag, however, because that is the symbol of this country, and all things considered, I rather like this country.

 

[akrassikauda]

There are more important things than a professional wrestling performance.

Stop all of this "it was a script" bullshit, as if that excuses it. If you have a performer drop his tights in the ring and start *********ing, he's still going to become a sex offender, even it it was "just a work". Shit, wrestling isn't real, people should know better, right

Lmao so hard my balls hurt. I agree with you 100 percent like I posted earlier why would Vince put all this work together have Miz go to Brazil to promote this just to have Jericho fuck it all up. The guy is about making money and opening new markets not fucking himself on the international stage on purposethere are some things that are obvious works this is not one of them.

 

[Workrate]

While this is definitely a lot less bad than JBL giving the Nazi salute at Germany house shows, he did break the law. That being said, the fact WWE suspended him over this is completely ridiculous. How are they going to explain his absence from television after viciously attacking Orton last week?

Uh... how about if they explain it with the truth? It's amazing how wrestling fans are willing to overlook absolutely anything in the name of a storyline.

Look, I've never been one of those patriotic people who thinks a country's flag is a big deal. I'm sure Jericho did what he did without thinking because, in the past, plenty of "inappropriate" stuff has been done to American flags. But on another country's soil, you sort of have to abide by their rules and laws. I don't know if it was against the law in Brazil, but it certainly was enough for police to become involved. At that point, it becomes something you have to address. It would be unprofessional of the WWE not to levy a suspension and, frankly, it's silly to be more concerned about explaining why he can't feud with Randy Orton than explaining that he did something that he shouldn't have done and therefore had to pay some consequences.

 

[Xemmy]

There are more important things than a professional wrestling performance.

Stop all of this "it was a script" bullshit, as if that excuses it. If you have a performer drop his tights in the ring and start *********ing, he's still going to become a sex offender, even it it was "just a work". Shit, wrestling isn't real, people should know better, right?

You don't have to agree with the idea that a flag is the physical representation of a nation's ideals, but you do have to understand that quite a lot of the world believes that, myself included. I don't care if you take a shit on a cloth with red and white stripes and stars. I will think that you are one of the most uncouth idiots I've ever seen if you shit on the American Flag, however, because that is the symbol of this country, and all things considered, I rather like this country.

This comparison is shit. Desecrating a flag isn't the same as *********ing in public. A heel's job is to offend people. Jericho did what he does naturally- he just picked the wrong country to do it in. The kind where Freedom of Speech isn't quite as free. He crumpled the flag and kicked it out of the ring. He didn't shit on it. Typical heel move. Had he done this in Canada, or the UK- no one with any sense would have bitched.

 

[Con T.]

This comparison is shit. Desecrating a flag isn't the same as *********ing in public. A heel's job is to offend people..

And this was offensive, at least Brazilians. As a matter of fact, it was offensive enough to warrant intervention from the cops. My God, you people have me fucking agreeing with Rayne, look what the fuck you've done.

Listen, if you don't think what he did was a big deal, fine. Apparently, Brazil did, and that's all that matters. You don't get to decide what is Brazilian law. America, and all other countries, don't get to decide what's Brazilian law. Brazil gets to decide what is Brazilian law, and as long as you're in Brazil, you abide by that law.

 

[JBSMan]

He was lucky enough not to go to jail,it was stupid of his part.Insulting a countries national flag is the worst thing to do.

Worse than say, committing a series of violent, albeit hilarious, rapes?

And as for the issue at hand - big fucking deal. Flags don't mean other than to the rich people who invaded and took over the lands in the first place. Also, Brazilians are completely mental anyway.

They should've just said Jericho won't be allowed in Brazil again as a WWE employee - problem solved and I'm sure it would make Jericho happy!

 

[Xemmy]

And this was offensive, at least Brazilians. As a matter of fact, it was offensive enough to warrant intervention from the cops. My God, you people have me fucking agreeing with Rayne, look what the fuck you've done.

Listen, if you don't think what he did was a big deal, fine. Apparently, Brazil did, and that's all that matters. You don't get to decide what is Brazilian law. America, and all other countries, don't get to decide what's Brazilian law. Brazil gets to decide what is Brazilian law, and as long as you're in Brazil, you abide by that law.

Where do I argue with any of this? >.>

Yes it's against the law. I never said otherwise. I also never said he should have broken it. My point is that it's stupid to compare it to public *********ion. Given the nature of the events, I highly doubt he and CM Punk knew it was illegal- and were just going through a routine that they though was edgy, but innocent enough. I also hinted that I didn't agree with this Brazilian policy. I think it's a terrible law. But I never stated anything contrary to what you just said.

 

[Con T.]

Where do I argue with any of this? >.>

Yes it's against the law. I never said otherwise. I also never said he should have broken it. My point is that it's stupid to compare it to public *********ion. Given the nature of the events, I highly doubt he and CM Punk knew it was illegal- and were just going through a routine that they though was edgy, but innocent enough. I also hinted that I didn't agree with this Brazilian policy. I think it's a terrible law. But I never stated anything contrary to what you just said.

And you're thinking it's a terrible law is exactly where I'm saying we disagree. It wasn't aimed at you, but now that you've outright stated it, if you don't think it's a big deal, fine. But it isn't a stupid law, if it works for Brazil. Fine, you don't like it; but it isn't your place to question the law put into place like this.

 

[Attitude Era Junkie]

I'm sure the WWE suspended him so that Brazil will still like them for punishing Jericho. Either that or Vince is a soft pussy now.

 

[JBSMan]

But it isn't a stupid law, if it works for Brazil. Fine, you don't like it; but it isn't your place to question the law put into place like this.

Uh, it's his place to question whatever the fuck he wants. Just because something's written into law, doesn't mean sane people can't question it, no matter where it is.

 

[Con T.]

Uh, it's his place to question whatever the fuck he wants. Just because something's written into law, doesn't mean sane people can't question it, no matter where it is.

Well, I can see this is going to be fun.

Listen, bub, if the rule works for Brazil, it works for them. He can do whatever he wants, but he...? Anyway, this person really looks stupid questioning a law that doesn't even affect him to begin with, and that he clearly doesn't understand the ramifications of. Again, Jericho's extremely lucky to come out o his ordeal alive.

Again, it's there fucking rule, mac. Not yours, and by turn, not your place to question the validity of

 

[Xemmy]

And you're thinking it's a terrible law is exactly where I'm saying we disagree. It wasn't aimed at you, but now that you've outright stated it, if you don't think it's a big deal, fine. But it isn't a stupid law, if it works for Brazil. Fine, you don't like it; but it isn't your place to question the law put into place like this.

We're never going to see eye to eye.

As a citizen of the planet Earth- yes, I'm completely allowed to question law. My opinion requires no position of authority. I think it's a stupid law. My "place" is perfectly sufficient for questioning any and all laws and legislation. Especially when that law conflicts with what most people in the first world would consider a human right.

"Because Freedom"

 

[Bigtex]

About 10 years ago(not far after 9/11), my father and I went a to a RAW show at the American Airlines Center here in Dallas, Texas. I vividly recall Jericho being very pro Canadian and anti-American saying many rude things til that got the crowd stirred up! Oh man! anyways, this just goes to show you how WWE has changed since in the past ten years. Does WWE really think us fans could forget incidents like La Resistance about 1 second away from burning the AMERICAN flag? I could go on and on and on. But this ladies and gentleman is why I dont watch wrestling every week.