**Merged** All John Morrison Discussion

[closet_fan]

rge2010 that "fish finger" analogy had me rolling.

i'm not sure why everyone loved morrison so much. yeah he looked like a wrestler, but that was about it. he lacked charisma, was terrible on the mic and his schtick with the whol hippie music, fur coat, slow the camera down crap got old fast. i heard he took acting classes when he was out after the r-truth beating, but he didn't learn from any of it if he really did. and the wwe showed they didn't care to change his direction by keeping him the same during his time away from the ring

that RR spot was one of the coolest things i ever saw, but you can't hang our hat on one moment like that.

that being said, he will sit at home for awhile and realize he isn't going to make it as an actor, sign with TNA. tell them they HAVE to sign melina because he's a wuss, and he will be a hack there to.

tna relies a lot on mic work. styles, bully ray, etc. even anderson. morrison is going to flop.

 

[JackHardy97]

Im sad to see Morrison go to be totally honest because I really liked his in ring work as it was solid as anything. His mic work wasnt great, but the time he dressed up as a scottish person to take the mick out of Drew was really good I thought. I guess well see Morrisons over in TNA soon and hell fly to the main event pretty quickly or help out the x-division.

 

[phoenixphreek]

Morrison has been there 8 years and has been mid card all that time. He wasn't going anywhere further than he had already.

I have to disagree with you here. look at mark henry. he's been wrestling for what, 15 years or something? and he's currently putting on the best matches of his career by leaps and bounds. Morrison could've been more, just now we'll never know.

And sure he didn't do a whole lot to prove himself, but he had brief flashes of greatness like this years Royal Rumble and this years Elimination Chamber, and he put on that great WWE title match on RAW with Miz a while back (the one that was either falls count anywhere or a street fight-can't remember)

He could've been great

 

[Skyline]

This may or may not have already been mentioned but I'm going to post it anyway. There are rumors he is off to LA for acting lessons and aspirations, and this may actually be the case but I'm calling that he is only doing it to further his career and will be a surprise return in the 2012 RR. One of my reasonings behind this is that, quite frankly, there is Noone really of note on the injured list that could be brought back for the rumble. Outside of Christian that is.

 

[conrad405]

so my question is who dropped the ball john morrison or WWE ?

i think it was abit of both. but who do you think and what are your opinions


AND GO

 

[MizFit Brocko]

Morrison.

If he and Melina kept there mouths shut, and didn't bitch and moan about those much higher than them in the pecking order, and someone held in such high regard such as Trish Stratus, he'd still have a large role in WWE programming.

 

[legendkiller420]

Who cares hes finally gone he should have been dropped after him and miz split up hes boring nothing is interesting about the guy Thank you wwe 1 down many more to go lol

 

[trashboy]

Who cares hes finally gone he should have been dropped after him and miz split up hes boring nothing is interesting about the guy Thank you wwe 1 down many more to go lol

Yeah, like Miz and Zack Ryder. Talk about boring. Those two are a couple of the most boring wrestlers in WWE right now. At least Morrison could wrestle. Miz and Ryder are horrible in the ring. Morrison was fun to watch. Hopefully he and Melina show up in TNA. They could use a couple of talented wrestlers like them. Would love to see Morrison in the X Division.

And if talking trash about Trish Stratus is what got them released, then that's ******ed. I love Trish to death and all but obviously she can't take some criticism or whatever it was that they said about her. Why wasn't CM Punk ever released then? Didn't he talk crap about the "big time" wrestlers too? But yet, he gets pushed to the moon for saying what he feels. If a midcarder does it, by god, he's history.

 

[FearMyBeard]

I put most of the blame on John Morrison.

He was given decent exposure but he failed to improve on the one department that is probably the biggest reason as to why he wasn't elevated to a main-eventer: Talking.
As much as wrestling ability is important, talking is equally important as well. It's another method of selling yourself to the audience. If a wrestler aspires to be a major representative of his/her company(Main-eventers), especially the likes of WWE, he/she has to be great on both aspects: Talking and wrestling. They can't only be good at one, because there's always gonna be a limit on their potential. They can never be true superstars much less megastars. Which is why Morrison essentially remained in the same spot throughout 2010.

Fast-forward to supposedly "the most electrifying Wrestlemania" Wrestlemania 27 and he does an idiotic move, especially for a guy who isn't really backed or protected by the company because he isn't a money-making main-eventer, in disrespecting someone(Trish Stratus) who was a significant figure in the history of the WWE.

Then we have Melina's influence. As much as it is easy to put all the blame on her for corrupting the mind of everybody's beloved-hated jobber, in the end it was still up to Morrison to be professional, behave and act accordingly. He should have gotten his priorities straight.

This is comin' from a Morrison fan. I enjoyed the guy's work during late '09. I considered him as a dark horse to win the Royal Rumble back in 2010. He provided us with some really good matches. I even held to a tiny branch of hope that if he took this recent losing streak like a pro he would eventually be given another opportunity in the future circa-Triple H after the incident with the Kliq. Despite being a fan, I acknowledged his weaknesses and even rationalized his relatively poor mic skills as a face. In the end, Morrison bumbled his chance. Best of wishes to him, but the WWE didn't really lose anything here. They have tons of guys who are itching for an opportunity.(Hear that Heath? They gonna give you a job! Put on yer jobbin' gear son.... Say... Do you like getting your ass beaten in consecutive weeks?)

Barrett, Rhodes, Ziggler and Ryder are rising midcarders. All have potential and have gathered quite a number of fans. Morrison who?

 

[brody11]

Yeah, like Miz and Zack Ryder. Talk about boring. Those two are a couple of the most boring wrestlers in WWE right now. At least Morrison could wrestle. Miz and Ryder are horrible in the ring. Morrison was fun to watch. Hopefully he and Melina show up in TNA. They could use a couple of talented wrestlers like them. Would love to see Morrison in the X Division.

The Miz and Zack Ryder boring? is that a joke? Yes, ill admit that Miz needs to change something but they both still manage to get large reactions from the crowd, whether its heat or cheering. Im not saying John Morrison didn't but if he was ever going to make it high in the WWE he would need to improve drastically on the mic. I loved John as a wrestler but i still couldn't pay that much attention even when he received that push.

I think John would be more suited to TNA where there will be obviously less talking/mic time so he can just focus on in ring abilities

 

[JaylisJayP]

After watching Daniel Bryan showcase some vastly improved mic skills on RAW Monday, I have to say Morrison did this to himself. Forget the backstage politics, the simple fact was he never bothered to improve his mic skills, and that ultimately is a breaking point for making it to another level. You can be the best wrestler in the business, but if you don't give people a reason to care, and don't work to better your character, then you're done....son.

 

[DrMantisToboggan]

To me it's got to be John Morrison. Like some have said, his mic skills were darn near dreadful. He's OK in the ring but not good enough to make up for his lack of talking skills. He never really took that next leap. He just kind of became stale over the last couple of years.

 

[Fireball93]

Clearly I'm a Morrison guy (see picture), but I'd say a combo of both. Here's the thing about mic skills, he used to have them. How did they just go away? The Dirt Sheet was awesome and he was quite good on Smackdown during his IC Title time. I still loved when he came out dressed Braveheart style to confront MacIntyre. Maybe he needed to be less scripted and more on his own? Because it was quite obvious when he was scripted because it sounded like he was reading it. I feel as if he was given a little more freedom to just talk he would have been better. He had a few good backstage segments too, but just not for interviews. He needs to have someone to work off. Some people just can't act very well.

I think what was biggest on WWE was moving him to Raw. He should have stayed on Smackdown and he could have worked his way up higher there. He and MacIntyre had a great Smackdown fued, and now they're both gone. The move to Raw was not good for him at all.

And maybe I forgot something, but if I recall he didn't say anything bad to Trish, he just didn't talk to her at all. Now think if you were in that position, you'd be a little pissed she took your girlfriend's spot (I'm not a Melina fan though) and I feel like he may have just gone with the "if you can't say anything nice don't say anything at all" routine. That's just my guessing. Overall I'm just gonna miss him. He was the most entertaining guy to watch for me in the ring week after week. I'll take a big move or something to make me rewind anyday. I agree with the above post calling Miz boring. A lot of guys are boring. Del Rio the most. Yeah they're good wrestlers, but they never do anything that stands out. Morrison has the look and the ability. Should've kept him on Smackdown, maybe turned him heel again, and he would have been fine. Until Wednesday is over, I'm gonna pointlessly hope for a last second negotiation.

 

[legendkiller420]

Yeah, like Miz and Zack Ryder. Talk about boring. Those two are a couple of the most boring wrestlers in WWE right now. At least Morrison could wrestle. Miz and Ryder are horrible in the ring. Morrison was fun to watch. Hopefully he and Melina show up in TNA. They could use a couple of talented wrestlers like them. Would love to see Morrison in the X Division.

And if talking trash about Trish Stratus is what got them released, then that's ******ed. I love Trish to death and all but obviously she can't take some criticism or whatever it was that they said about her. Why wasn't CM Punk ever released then? Didn't he talk crap about the "big time" wrestlers too? But yet, he gets pushed to the moon for saying what he feels. If a midcarder does it, by god, he's history.

I agree with you on zack ryder but not the miz he is one of the best heels around today his mic skills are really good his in ring skillz could be better tho but he has come a long way since debuting i give him props i went from hating the miz to liking him.

 

[The 1-2-3 Killam]

There is so much speculation on every single side of the argument that I refuse to take a stance one way or the other. Mainly because I don't like the idea of putting my credibility up for a guy I could care less about... That's not really his fault, as he always worked a great match. I think he could be incredibly successful given a good mouth piece and put in a company that allowed him to work a more free-flowing match type.

But as for who dropped the ball...? I think there's something to be said for all the backstage politics that were brought up in Mark Madden's recent Wrestlezone column. Then again, that could all be complete bullshit... Honestly, I've never cared for internet drama surrounding my pro wrestling. I just want to be able to enjoy the product. From a pure fan perspective, it would appear that JoMo went out and did all that was asked of him by the WWE, jobbing to everyone he could. A few injuries at key main event-ish times in his run definitely hurt any pushes they might have given him... I don't know. I don't think it's fair to say either one at this point, but gun-to-head I would say WWE.

 

[beccawwenerd]

I think it was mainly the wwe's fault. John Morrison is like one of the best wrestlers that the wwe has, they didnt use to his full potential. They put him in pointless matches against bad wrestlers and he loses, which clearly he is better than the opponents he faces. I think he deserves a good storyline and works his way up to a wwe title shot. I think he is mega talented, ive always been a fan of his

 

[darwinbuena]

Both WWE & John Morrison's fault.

JoMo's great days was when he was in ECW. He was an entertaining champion, and his tag team days with the Miz were awesome.

Then they turned him face. It's either the Prince of Parkour couldn't cut a face promo, or WWE Creative has no idea for a PG babyface.

Now, the question is: If John Hennigan would jump to Impact Wrestling or any other wrestling company, what would his "ring name" be?

Johnny Morris?
John Nitrous?
Johnny Mojo?

 

[ringjobber1]

John is a pretty shit face. With his looks it's hard to imagine that he can't get over as a face like he did early in his career or as a heel. I'm not for many heel turns, but after what they've done for Mark Henry and R-Truth I wouldn't be against his. Another problem is the Raw roster is a bit full with mid card faces like Alex Riley and Zach Ryder hogging air time and the main event scene with John Cena and CM Punk (It's only two, but apparently Raw is centered around Punk and Cena). Kofi Kingston and Evan Bourne were also at one point in his same position (Which made it even deeper back then), but WWE did the smart thing and paired them up and they've become a credible tag team. He should've been drafted to Smackdown last April(?) and could be feuding with Cody Rhodes, Christian, Wade Barrett, or Kane right now. On Raw, he's faced Miz and R-Truth already and Dolph Ziggler has both Swagger and Riley to worry about. The best thing would be for him to either join Truth and Miz or move to Smackdown. IMO of course.

Another thing that really bothers me is his horrible Jimi Hendrix rip off theme. That song played out three years ago if it were ever any good in the first place. He could get over better with Benoit's theme than that garbage. Jack Swagger and Ted DiBiase have this problem as well.

your right about the whole to many faces on raw they should turn morrison heel it worked for r-truth because he was a off and on going nowhere in wwe but after he turned he's been doing partly well and mark henry was a jobber who won matches every now and then to keep the world strongest man gimmick going until he turned on cena now hes the WHC.
FYI- I think last year and the begining of this year we was saying theres to many heels lol now its to many faces

 

[RicoLen]

So first there's the tweet that Brodus Clay was going to debut to and destroy Morrison, the WWE then went on to book The Miz to do the job.

Why didn't they interject so Z True Long Island Story into Raw and have Zack Ryder challenge John Morrison to a career match? Doesn't that sound like a better idea to you? Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't think The Miz looked any better for doing the job, nor do I think he'd look any worse for having not done the deed so to speak.

However, John Morrison and Zack Ryder are good friends have good chemistry together, and I betcha Morrison would have been only too happy to put over Ryder as his last match. Meanwhile on Z True Long Island Story, the people that have followed Ryder know that Ryder has been plagued by his Dad's creepy love for John Morrison (I'm a MoFo!) and Morrison has been nothing but a nuisance to Ryder.

I don't know. I'm not bookerman, but to me that just seemed like the obvious way to book Morrison's last match.

EDIT: Ah s**t I just realized there's that whole "John Morrison keep it in here or you're an asshole and will be banned" thread I forgot to use... Too late now I guess. Sorry, I just realized that at the exact same time I clicked the button to submit the thread. See you in 30 days or whatever it is.

 

[Jack-Hammer]

It's not a horrible idea, but the idea of this is is basically a Loser Leaves Town match that were pretty popular back in the territory days. The concept is kind of dated and the outcome of this match would've been so that anticipation wouldn't be all that high.

Also, with two faces in this sort of match, there's no real heat. There's no real conflict with these two and no one for the fans to ultimately rally behind and rally against. On top of that, even the most casual WWE viewer probably has known for a while that JoMo was on his way out so having these two go through this sort of match would've definitely felt like they were just going through the motions.

Morrison & Miz have real history together. They've feuded in the past and been tag team champs as a team. One of Miz's first big singles feuds was against Morrison and I thought there was something sort of poetic in Morrison's last match of 2011 being against the man he faced in not only his first match of 2011 but the first WWE match of 2011.

As for how it made Miz look, I enjoy seeing the colder and more calculating aspects of Miz's character. I think whatever progress they made towards Miz getting his heat back after what happened at Survivor Series and a lot of the shows leading up to Survivor Series was lost last night as WWE portrayed Miz, generally, as more of his classic cowardly heel role last night. His flukey count out win over Randy Orton only furthered that in my eyes.

 

[Da Solo]

I really wouldn't mind that either. Actually, I think its a great idea: Ryder vs. Morrison. Ryder wins and he gets his US title shot at the expense of JoMo's career. It would have worked, but you have to take into account how much of a fuck WWE gave about giving JoMo a good sendoff, which is little to none, so we got Miz laying him out instead.

 

[JaylisJayP]

I just don't see it with Ryder. I watch him every week and his character is pretty lame. It's even more lame that Cena has to plug him more often than Michael Cole plugs Twitter...that makes me want to dislike Ryder, and not in a good way.

 

[TWJC: The Beginning]

Now Morrison can go to TNA and TNA can "use him right" and praise his flips and moves and lack of character and Morrison will get super over and prove everyone....o wait yea that won't happen. He won't draw there either.

JaylisJay, if YOU don't see it with Ryder, that doesn't matter. he is very over, that's what matters. If you are over, that means you're doing it right. Something Morrison never learned. Developing new flips doesn't mean you're trying harder. If Morrison had spent more time developing his character and less time developing his flips, he'd probably still be in the WWE.

 

[Creepy Crawl]

I didn't hate Morrison, but I was never a big fan. I think his best work was with MNM. If they did release him, that kind of sucks, I'm sure he could be used somehow. Its not like they have some top notch talent waiting in the wings IMO.

 

[TWJC: The Beginning]

I didn't hate Morrison, but I was never a big fan. I think his best work was with MNM. If they did release him, that kind of sucks, I'm sure he could be used somehow. Its not like they have some top notch talent waiting in the wings IMO.

It's not like he was a top notch talent. There are a million guys on the indies who can do flips and pretend to be a rockstar. shit if you want a guy (with more charisma) who does a bunch of moves and doesn't sell very well, hire Austin Aries. The spot marks love him. Much like JoMo, Aries also seems to think he's better than he really is. It'd be like replacing water with sparkling water.