..But he's no where near as bad as you seem to think.
MAN FUCK JOHN CENA
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..But he's no where near as bad as you seem to think.
Hey, calm down there buddy. Last time I checked you get to pick your classes. So don't bitch me out if your workload is unbelievably large. It's not fault. I didn't mean anything by it.
I don't think you are a bad student. You are actually someone that I would aspire to be, if I wasn't, you know, so awesome.
I can't, your partner is nowhere to be seen.
I hope that your studying goes well.
I have classes in the morning myself. What is your schedule like?
Where would you rank him among the all-time greats? If your answer is anywhere in the Top 20, I strongly, strongly disagree with you. Strongly.
Cena is good. But some of you guys on here make him out to be one of the greatest wrestlers of all time. It simply isn't true.
FriedEggSandwich
Dark Match Winner
Cena is half the reason I dont watch The E anymore except when I buy some of their compilation dvd sets. He is everything I hate about Pro Wrestling, I swear when I just see him smile I wanna spit on my tv screen, note: I wanna but I dont lol. I sound like a old man saying this but I miss retro 87-91 WWF. But yeah...
Well. I mean, he's not as great as Hogan, Austin, the like. But as far as Raw right now? I'd say Cena is one of the most important people to the WWE at this moment, next to Triple H, Taker, Orton, and to a certain extent Punk. HBK is (quite literally) phoning in his performances nowadays on Raw, Batista is on his last ropes as far as injuries go, and Mysterio will never ever get another championship these days. He's just not a very good holding champion.
Yeah he's one of the best in the WWE right now. Unfortunately that isn't saying very much in my book. There are about a dozen better workers in the company, but they just simply aren't as marketable or as charismatic as Cena is.
But in terms of all time greats...where would you rank him? Because I've seen some people put him as high as Top 5, and that to me is just fucking ridiculous.
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17 accredited hours, more like 24 hours all together.
Next semester?
Organic Chemistry II, Differential Equations, Statics, General Microbiology, Organic Chemistry II Lab, General Microbiology Lab, Statics Drill, Differential Equations Drill.
17 accredited hours, 25+ all together.
Who, pray tell, are these workers that are just as good, only not as marketable? Right now, on this current roster, who is Cena blocking from ascension? If you answer Chavo Guerrero I'm going to laugh my ass off.
I don't know..but for the mere fact that he's almost singlehandedly kept the WWE afloat for the past 5 years or so, he'd have to be high. Higher than your Matt Hardys, but lower than your Rocks, your Triple Hs. Does that work for ya? I really have to get to this Organic Chemistry. Test tomorrow and all.
I, being one of the biggest Cena critics ever, can agree with this statement.
FriedEggSandwich
Dark Match Winner
The main thing "besides his 7th grade humor and smiling" I dislike about Cena is his failure on moves. Meaning his poor execution in them, there always done half assed and/or sloppy. For his size he moves alot slower then you would think he could. Im not a 3H Fan but at least he has a bad quad as a excuse for that.
I didn't say he was blocking anyone from ascension, did I? I'm talking about in-ring work here strictly, but obviously you need more than just that to excel at a main event level in this business. There are several better workers than Cena in the company though, from Orton to Punk to Christian, Cena is good in the ring, but he's not the best.
5 years of a continually declining product. That isn't something to brag about.
He's above your Matt Hardy's, but he's not in the same league as Rock or Triple H. So yeah, I guess that works. Now go do your nerdy science schmience.
Cena is not even in Triple H's league.
SavageTaker
Everybody Has A Price!
Agreed.
Maybe in a few years he'll rise to his level but as it currently stands, Triple H is better.
The Triple H of 1999/2000? Definitely not. The Triple H of today? Absolutely Cena is. HHH isn't half the worker he used to be. It's rare you get a really good HHH match. With Cena you at least get one a month.
..and of those you listed, who isn't in the main event on their respective brands? Christian would fit quite nicely into the main event of Smackdown, and Punk/Orton have found their homes. Is there anyone in the mid-card that is better than Cena? Honestly, no fingers crossed?
..Which you blame on creative for having shit terrible ideas. But the combined power of Taker/Punk, Cena/Orton have kept the ratings afloat. Cena is responsible for a +.5 rating when he's on Raw, no lie.
Good. I have to get to reading. I've taken a hour break and expounded it into an hour and 45 minute break. God damn it to all kinds of hell.
Take away 2000/2001 and I'd take Cena with ease. At this point, I still think Cena inches above. He created more sustainable interest at the main event level from 2005-2007 than Triple H ever did with anyone who's not Mick Foley, The Rock or Steve Austin. That and Triple H's track record for delivering matches worth watching at the main event level from 2002 onward is just as spotty as the critics accuse Cena's record of being, if not more.
A solid case could easily be made for Cena being better than Triple H, IMO.
A solid case could easily be made for Cena being better than Triple H, IMO.
Agreed, Triple H is a shell of his former self. But Triple H of 2000? Man Cena couldn't fuck with that greatness if he tried. That was some of the absolute best heel work I've ever seen, 2000 was one hell of a year, and one that Triple H dominated.
Again, I never claimed Cena was holding anyone down Razor. I said there are several better workers in the company. Midcarders? Shit William Regal is a better in-ring worker than Cena. Jericho is technically a midcarder right now, Mysterio as well.
Funny, I've seen quite a few episodes get dismal ratings with Cena headlining. Several of the recent guest host episodes for example.
Creative having shitty ideas isn't much of an excuse to me either, because it doesn't usually affect in-ring performances. Bret Hart, HBK, and Curt Hennig among many others put up with some absolutely terrible writing and still put on classics. I wish we could ever see Cena wrestle a match even 1/4th as good as Mr. Perfect vs. Bret Hart from Summerslam 1991.
Find me one Cena match as good as Triple H vs. The Rock, 2/3 Falls from Fully Loaded 1998.
Fuck's sake...
Replace "2000/2001" in my post with "before quad injury #1."
Better?
SavageTaker
Everybody Has A Price!
Overall, Triple H is better than John Cena especially when he was a heel. As a face though, it's about even. I case could be made for John Cena being a better as a face. But the past couple of years, probably since 2005, Cena has been more entertaining than Triple H.
Honestly, Triple H is one of the few who I think should turn heel because it would make him 10 times more entertaining. I like his face work, but his heel work blows his face work out of the water.
Honestly, Triple H is one of the few who I think should turn heel because it would make him 10 times more entertaining. I like his face work, but his heel work blows his face work out of the water.
Fuck's sake...
Replace "2000/2001" in my post with "before quad injury #1."
Better?
Okay. So you're saying you take Triple H's best years away and Cena is better. Yeah, you take Hogan's best years away and you could make that argument as well. Fortunately the years of 1998-2001 did in fact happen, so Triple H will be better than Cena until he can put on matches the same level that Hunter did. Hell Triple H was even a better draw.
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