Madden felt Jerico should have been squashed

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In his latest article Mark Madden felt that Ryback should have squashed Chris Jerico in their match on Smackdown to build him for Extreme Rules.
He said that Jerico didn't need to win and it would have made Ryback look more invincible going into the next PPV. Personally I respectfully disagree with Madden here as I think Chris has done his fair share of Jobbing as of late and I found the match to actually be a good one. The match also made Ryback look like more of a heel going into it as was what I think WWE intended by the finish.
So the question is was Madden right or wrong about the finish of the match? Should Ryback have been made to look more invincible going into the PPV or made to look more like a heel?

 

[itzfluffy]

Madden is a fucking douchebag, he wouldn't know good if it jumped up and slapped him in the face. Read his article today as I do weekly(for laughs) and it's just a bunch of hot air. Ryback squashing Jericho would have been a step backwards in Ryback's character. When he first came back Ryback he was squashing people left and right in an attempt to build up the character, now we have a big guy who can actually HAVE a match. I do however feel the actual finish of the match might have done no good for Ryback... Ok, he can get DQ'ed, what does that prove? He is about to go against the WWE's TOP superstar(like it or not nut huggers) and he gets DQ'ed? He should have beaten Jericho following some kind of ref bump with some heel tactics thrown in there. At this point in his career Jericho really has nothing to gain, I mean he is has done it all and is there to put over the young guys(gah The cRock should learn a lesson from him). The match itself was pretty decent, needed to have a finish that showed Ryback could actually BEAT a top star though. Just my opinion, go ahead shit on it.

 

[Nate DaMac]

In his latest article Mark Madden felt that Ryback should have squashed Chris Jerico in their match on Smackdown to build him for Extreme Rules.
He said that Jerico didn't need to win and it would have made Ryback look more invincible going into the next PPV. Personally I respectfully disagree with Madden here as I think Chris has done his fair share of Jobbing as of late and I found the match to actually be a good one. The match also made Ryback look like more of a heel going into it as was what I think WWE intended by the finish.
So the question is was Madden right or wrong about the finish of the match? Should Ryback have been made to look more invincible going into the PPV or made to look more like a heel?

Madden is a fucking douchebag, he wouldn't know good if it jumped up and slapped him in the face. Read his article today as I do weekly(for laughs) and it's just a bunch of hot air. Ryback squashing Jericho would have been a step backwards in Ryback's character. When he first came back Ryback he was squashing people left and right in an attempt to build up the character, now we have a big guy who can actually HAVE a match. I do however feel the actual finish of the match might have done no good for Ryback... Ok, he can get DQ'ed, what does that prove? He is about to go against the WWE's TOP superstar(like it or not nut huggers) and he gets DQ'ed? He should have beaten Jericho following some kind of ref bump with some heel tactics thrown in there. At this point in his career Jericho really has nothing to gain, I mean he is has done it all and is there to put over the young guys(gah The cRock should learn a lesson from him). The match itself was pretty decent, needed to have a finish that showed Ryback could actually BEAT a top star though. Just my opinion, go ahead shit on it.

Jesus, guys. This entire site bitches non-stop about seeing the same old shit and both of your posts here suggest that they do just that. Why the fuck would Ryback need to use heel tactics to beat Chris Jericho? This is the same guy who just put over fucking Fandango at Wrestlemania and has jobbed to countless guys who have never even sniffed a World Title. Do you guys really want yet another chickenshit heel? Ryback doesn't need that gimmick, he actually looks like he could beat John Cena.

I'm not saying that he should of squashed Jericho but he should have beaten him clean. In WWE's kayfabe Hierarchy, Cena is above Jericho. Ryback should look like a plausible contender when he faces him.

 

[dman1373]

Madden is a fucking douchebag, he wouldn't know good if it jumped up and slapped him in the face. Read his article today as I do weekly(for laughs) and it's just a bunch of hot air. Ryback squashing Jericho would have been a step backwards in Ryback's character. When he first came back Ryback he was squashing people left and right in an attempt to build up the character, now we have a big guy who can actually HAVE a match.

Theres a big difference between squashing nobodys and squashing a Chris jericho. Squashing jericho would be anything but a step backwards for Ryback.

 

[itzfluffy]

Jesus, guys. This entire site bitches non-stop about seeing the same old shit and both of your posts here suggest that they do just that. Why the fuck would Ryback need to use heel tactics to beat Chris Jericho? This is the same guy who just put over fucking Fandango at Wrestlemania and has jobbed to countless guys who have never even sniffed a World Title. Do you guys really want yet another chickenshit heel? Ryback doesn't need that gimmick, he actually looks like he could beat John Cena.

I'm not saying that he should of squashed Jericho but he should have beaten him clean. In WWE's kayfabe Hierarchy, Cena is above Jericho. Ryback should look like a plausible contender when he faces him.

So having Ryback lose via DQ makes him looks like a plausible contender? Well in that case I am going to go challenge Floyd Mayweather to a fight and then lose to some bum on the back alley to prove I can beat him. Pure and simple, Ryback should have BEAT Jericho... he didn't. Yes, he LOOKS like he can beat Cena based on his physical body, but the way he has been booked in this fued it is obvious there is no way he is beating Cena. Just sayin.

 

[Nate DaMac]

So having Ryback lose via DQ makes him looks like a plausible contender? Well in that case I am going to go challenge Floyd Mayweather to a fight and then lose to some bum on the back alley to prove I can beat him. Pure and simple, Ryback should have BEAT Jericho... he didn't. Yes, he LOOKS like he can beat Cena based on his physical body, but the way he has been booked in this fued it is obvious there is no way he is beating Cena. Just sayin.

I guess I forgot to put in the part where I said just that. Oh wait...

JI'm not saying that he should of squashed Jericho but he should have beaten him clean. In WWE's kayfabe Hierarchy, Cena is above Jericho. Ryback should look like a plausible contender when he faces him.

I didn't say that I approved of the way it went down, quite the opposite in fact. We both agree that the booking is stupid, but you're suggesting that they make Ryback into another chickenshit heel which is just a lazy idea. Ryback should have beaten him clean. Maybe not a squash, but he should have looked great afterwards.

Theres a big difference between squashing nobodys and squashing a Chris jericho. Squashing jericho would be anything but a step backwards for Ryback.

See even this guy gets it it and he can barely read.

 

[Aquaman6686]

So having Ryback lose via DQ makes him looks like a plausible contender? Well in that case I am going to go challenge Floyd Mayweather to a fight and then lose to some bum on the back alley to prove I can beat him. Pure and simple, Ryback should have BEAT Jericho... he didn't. Yes, he LOOKS like he can beat Cena based on his physical body, but the way he has been booked in this fued it is obvious there is no way he is beating Cena. Just sayin.

Ryback annihilated the entire WWE roster last year, and now that he's not booked as invincible anymore and is actually competing in real feuds, all people do is bitch. Jericho should be squashed to make Ryback look stronger? What a load of crap. Jericho has done MORE than his share of jobbing in his last two comebacks, giving him a win here and there in a too-little-too-late attempt to keep him at something remotely resembling his old star level is a GOOD thing, not a bad thing.

 

[Headman]

Madden is right for once. Jericho should have been squashed. Ryback doesn't look unstoppable. Hell, he doesn't even look like a serious threat anymore. He still may walk out with the title, but I'm curious as to why they're booking him as a cowardly heel instead of a monster heel? And getting destroyed by Ryback would hardly tarnish Jericho's legacy. He's there to put people over, so why not put somebody over? This match might as well have never been booked at all seeing as it accomplished nothing.

 

[Pedigree1]

Nate is right! In the WWE Hierarchy Cena is above damn there anyone on the roster maybe outside of Undertaker! Cena is above Jericho. No Jericho didnt need to win at all quite the opposite. He needed to lose not get squashed but lose clean. Ryback is supposed to build a little thing called Momentum.

How in the hell are we supposed to take Ryback serious if he cant beat jericho where Super Cena would have. This is lazy booking IMO and beating Chris Jericho would have done wonders for Ryback! Beating a Future HOF and multiple time world champion! But nope quite the opposite happened

 

[xsKiitz]

You people seem to be forgetting that it's Cena vs Ryback in a LAST MAN STANDING MATCH. What good would it have done for Ryback to pin Chris Jericho? I loved the ending of Smackdown. Ryback looked like he just wanted to hurt Jericho, and even after tossing him into the ring post and having the match end he came back and took Jericho's head off with a huge clothesline.

If Cena was versing Ryback in a regular match sure, Ryback would have beat Jericho and gotten the win to look strong. Instead they're having a brutal match with no pins, so Ryback getting brutal and destroying Jericho was perfect and makes the most sense.

Also Chris Jericho won so I was pretty happy.

 

[Jack-Hammer]

Not really seeing it. Ryback, just as he did against Daniel Bryan, had a very competitive match against Chris Jericho. I think we're looking at it, as usual, from an IWC point of view rather than that of an average fan.

Ryback decimated Chris Jericho in their match. Jericho got in a lot of offense, just as Bryan did, but Jericho was physically overpowered by Ryback, again just as Daniel Bryan was. Looking at it from the viewpoint of an average fan, Chris Jericho is a 6 time World Champion, a 9 time Intercontinental Champion and a pretty much guaranteed WWE Hall of Famer. Since Jericho put over Fandango, someone significantly lower on the roster than Ryback at this point in time, Ryback simply beating Jericho wouldn't necessarily jack up his stock. Ryback's already the #1 contender for the WWE Championship, so I don't really see how beating Jericho, who put over a lower card wrestler at WM, is supposed to really make Ryback look any more dominant. The way in which Ryback was disqualified simply, in my eyes, only made him look all that more vicious. He rammed Jericho, crotch first, into the ring post and left him laying. I'd be in complete agreement if Ryback really looked like he was in major trouble and cheated, or if Jericho actually pinned him or made him submit.

Also, it's not as if Jericho dominated Ryback during the match. Far from it, in fact. Ryback scored decisive wins over the tag team champions in singles matches over the course of the past week. Daniel Bryan is extremely skilled inside the ring, one of the most over guys on the roster and someone that will probably be a consistently relevant player in WWE for years to come. Kane is a respected veteran, a multiple time World Champion and has a huge number of mid-card & tag title reigns under him.

Besides that, how long did we hear complaints when Ryback was winning squash match after squash match where he was decimating jobbers and mid-card guys left and right? Ryback is now involved in matches and/or feuds with some of the top names on the roster, so it's perfectly natural to expect those matches to be more competitive. Ryback squashed guys like Jinder Mahal, Heath Slater, Drew McIntyre and Tensai as if they were nothing. So why should be accept, or even want to see for that matter, Ryback decimate wrestlers on the level of Chris Jericho with the same ease as if they're no bigger competition than a comedy faction and a Caucasian playing an Asian monster heel? Yeah, I don't think so.

 

[Mustang Sally]

While we consider Ryback's standing, let's not forget Jericho. We had been advised he was on hiatus again, more a "Fozzy" then a "Fandango" and that he'd return full-time sometime in the future. Instead, he seems to be performing with the band while stopping into WWE whenever he has the chance. Could it be his unique arrangement with the company has changed again?

At any rate, while it's great for Y2J to job for the good of the company, let's not have him get too comfortable putting others over while sacrificing his own status. If he's never again going to be a full-time employee for long periods of time, I can understand him not chasing titles. Still, he has to do more than look good in the ring before falling at the ends of up-and-comers. He's got to be a force, still.

I don't know that Ryback pinning Jericho outright ("Finish it!") would have enhanced his status leading to Extreme Rules. Ryback is now supposed to be a heel monster; guys like that only need make it seem as if they're capable of decapitating their foes. Ryback does that.....he's already in position for the PPV.

But they have to keep Jericho relevant as a threat to beat anyone at any time.

 

[mrfantastic111]

Let's look at the match again.

Ryback was dominating Jericho for 75% of the match. During the final moments of the match he deadlift-powerbombed Jericho, threw him into the ring-side barrier, pick him up and rammed his groin into the post without any resistance from Jericho - all of this looked like a breeze for him.

So... Explain how he looked weak?

Yeah, he lost by DQ; but it's not about the win/loss, its about HOW you win/lose. Ryback lost by DQ, but he looked like he did it on purpose so that he could mane Jericho for the sake of it. I would compare the finish to this match to the way a heel might keep punching a competitor past a count of 5, simply because the heel doesn't care about wins and loses - he just wants to hurt his opponent.

Jericho stopped fighting back well before Ryback got himself DQ'd. He didn't look weak. Will the average viewer remember that Ryback lost this match? I sure didn't, I just remembered that he beat Jericho until he couldn't get back up.

Done.

 

[MWRedskins]

Disagree. it wouldn't hurt Ryback, it would hurt Jericho and any contender he faces though because then it would mean Jericho is no better than jobbers that Ryback squashed earlier. anyways, I would've had Ryback won that match, but I was fine with the ending as it was more on Ryback trying to send Cena a message.

 

[AzLunchbox]

Exactly, Most of you are forgetting that it's all about telling a story.

Didn't you hear the announcers talking about how "At Extreme Rules there won't be disqualifications."

The story they were trying to tell was Jericho only won because of the "rules"

That Ryback would have completely destroyed him if it wasn't for DQ's. And that it shows that Cena is in trouble in the Last Man Standing Match.

The ending is exactly how it should have ended.

I think it's fair to say that Mark Madden is a freaking moron!

 

[THTRobtaylor]

A lot may be to do with Punk and now Zig being out of action...they have to fill that spot the natural guy to "step up" would of course be Jericho, as he has done several times in the past.

By doing it as they have they have given Jericho some credibility and if he does beat Fandango he is right back into contention. Had he been squashed then if he does go into Punk's position for a few months and challenges Ryback if he wins, then what good would that be?

and yes... Madden is a cretin.

 

[PLANETstasiak]

Ryback needs as much work in the ring as he can get if he's going to be a main event player from here on out, He's got to learn how to make the guys he's in the ring with look good by taking big moves from them. In this match on SmackDown he took Jericho's Codebreaker and was put in the Walls of Jericho. The finish was good because he didn't kick out of a finisher or no sell or any of the things that monster heels do that make them look bad he took a typical heel loss by DQ and attacked Jericho after the match, Jericho's finisher still got sold as that last move of the match and Ryback still walked out on top with Jericho laid out so I don't know what Madden is thinking the days of Ryback squashes are over he's not in the ring with 3 local jobbers anymore Jericho is a 6 time World Champion.

 

[Raptor93]

firstly its on smackdown which doesn't have really any relevancy to big story lines like those involving cena so whatever happens on smackdown stays on smackdown. And it matters little, whatever way you want to build up ryback cena will win or at least not lose the title. Ryback could squash cena in a series of decisive non title matches leading up to ER but when the titles on the line in cenas first title defense in like 18 months there aint no way he's gonna loose. The dq ending fits the current story line Ryback only cares for his title match he'll beat up anyone else dq or not leading up and it shows even with a great main eventer like jericho Ryback can still ultimately win

 

[Raptor93]

I believe however Madden would be referring to if this was booked pre hiac where ryback still had a winning streak then yes it would have fitted for him to dominate. Madden has stated there was no good in ryback losing as it took away the only thing really going for him his winning streak, so if this was a ryback that had and didn't loose then I see what he would have meant but as it has happened they way it was done was best

 

[berlinbrawler]

I understand Madden's point. If we're supposed to think Ryback is this unstoppable brutal force and a threat to Cena in a last man standing match, it would make sense to have him destroy Jericho in rather short order.

And it wouldn't have hurt Jericho. At this point of his career nothing can hurt Jericho. And he is one of those true professionals who actually get that. He also gets that the greatest gift he can give to the world of wrestling at this point is to put the next generation over and that's what he's been doing for over 2 years now.
So getting squashed by Ryback in under 5 minutes wouldn't have made a difference to Jericho and it would have the desired effect. Point taken, Madden.

Instead the WWE opted for the two to actually have a real match. ... The squash probably would make more sense in the story they're trying to tell. But speaking as a wrestling fan, I enjoyed the latter more. Maybe it's as simple as that - they wanted a good show. And in the end Ryback still looked like a brutal monster, albeit not quite as dominant. Also since Ryback has been having real matches the Goldberg comparisons have become fewer. On the long run that's probably a good thing.

 

[akathelaw]

Madden's wrong on this one, which isn't surprising since his whole MO is to rile up internet wrestling geeks with his articles. I'm sure he remembers how back in WCW a guy that Ryback is often compared to refused to wrestle Chris Jericho in anything but a squash match. When you take a big dominant wrestler and run him through every guy on the roster the booking gets stale quickly and there's nowhere else for them to go but down. Cena fans won't order the PPV if it's too obvious that Ryback's going to win, so Jericho has to put up a decent fight.

This current Ryback program is a good one, and it could lead to the creation of a main event level star. Personally the more intriguing story would have been a face Ryback challenging the biggest face in the company, and both men adopting a "tweener" attitude so the crowd can decide who they prefer. Rock got Cena to do a REALLY good tweener PG version of himself when he first arrived talking smack. I would love to have seen THAT John Cena go up against the new hotshot Ryback who has the IWC fans in the crowd cheering him.

 

[SaveUsCMPunk]

Squashed? No. Should he have beaten Jericho cleanly? Yes. (And this is coming from a big Jericho fan.) He beat both Daniel Bryan and Kane cleanly, but what annoys me is that Daniel Bryan (and Jericho) got more offense in against Ryback than Kane. Clearly, Kane is the stronger link of Team Hell No, but no one thought he had a chance against Ryback. I don't know why WWE expects us to buy Kane as a monster anymore. (It pains me to say this as I'm also a huge Kane fan.) It's tough being a Kane fan these days. Minor rant over.

Anyway, when you consider Jericho has jobbed to both Heath Slater and JTG, it's kind of surprising he didn't job to Ryback. Jericho has long been big on putting over younger talent, so I guess it's possible he wanted Ryback to beat him, but Vince made a different call.

 

[The Phantom Rebel]

Mark madden is a piece of shit . just because he was in wcw during there dying days for about a cup of coffee . he thinks he is this grand majestic figure. that thinks he knows exactly what will and will not work. sorry you pork rind eating piece of shit . but in pro wresting nothing is a sure thing . this guy belongs in the same categorie with Ulitmate warrior and Bill Goldberg 3 individuals who have there heads so far up there own asses .that it has drained all the oxygen from there brains

 

[Mustang Sally]

The match also made Ryback look like more of a heel going into it as was what I think WWE intended by the finish.

That's the point. There are so many possible finishes to a pro wrestling match.....and so many ways the guy expected to win might end up not getting the victory..... that storylines can't be analyzed by looking strictly at wins and losses. I agree with the OP; WWE wanted to further the heel agenda of Ryback, and it's more effective to do that against a "name" opponent than another stupid handicap match in which Ryback brutalizes two tomato cans.

Creative also wants to be careful how they use Jericho. Okay, you've got an all-time immortal who's willing to put over younger wrestlers and sacrifice his win-loss record for the good of the company. That's great, but if you overdo it and have him cleanly beaten by every young buck who crosses his path, you can manage to destroy Chris Jericho as a force; a condition that might ensue if we know damn well he's going to lose every important match.

And face it, Jericho is only in important matches nowadays; what's the sense of putting him in there with preliminary wrestlers? He doesn't need to build a resume, does he?

No, better to have him still get his share of wins and/or good showings. Having Chris come out the winner against Big Show on Friday night (albeit by count-out) was a great touch....I presumed Jericho would lose because he's being fed to big names. His victory issues the warning that Chris Jericho is still a force to be reckoned with......and they'll get a lot more effective mileage out of him if they keep that in mind.

 

[George Steele's Barber]

Didn't see the match but isn't Ryback's biggest obstacle the fans' perception that the guy can't put together a credible competitive decent length PPV quality match? No one questions his power or ability to beat anyone anytime. They need to be convinced going in to him headlining a PPV that they are separating with their money for more than just punch, punch, kick, clothesline.

No one is going to carry Ryback to a higher pre-PPV quality match than Jericho. Ryback squashing Jericho does nothing for him. He lost his unstoppable monster gimmick months ago. Most types of fans were locked in to whether or not they were going to purchase this PPV regardless. WWE's best hope for getting fans to buy-in late on this PPV during a SD was to show that Ryback is more than just a one-trick pony. A steady quality match with Jericho is the best way to do that.