Ive told you time and time again but your too arrogant to listen, you keep advocating for more promo time and more attitude era like product, Ive stated before that you need to understand other opinions instead of just stating your own and berating anyone else who has an opinion different form your own.
First of all, you can dispense with the "I've told you time and time again" like some parent. I don't give a shit how many times you've told me. So I will re-iterate. You can try to brow-beat my opinions to reflect your points of view, and it will NOT happen. My opinions will stand. And you will either respect my opinions, or you simply will have to deal with them. Do I make myself clear?
Fact of the matter is that I "understand" what your opinions are. And I don't agree with them. I do not, under any circumstance, want to see WWE become Japanized or reflective of a Ring of Honor-type product. Now, you can be upset that I simply won't "go along with the flow" and adopt your vision perhaps for the product, but my mind is not changing. Removing the Entertainment out of wrestling to market the WWE as a "sport" simply based on technical wrestling will not get over with the audience, and will only further alienate the mainstream, casual fanbase.
Just so you know, when I post, that is my motivation.
My position is that I would not be upset if the technical wrestling fans had one show within WWE. However, you don't want that. For people like you, all of the WWE's shows have to be technically based. And that reeks of absolute selfishness and disregard for other fans out there who have enjoyed wrestling for years, who still want to enjoy the product.
Secondly i didnt say that you berated Brian Danielson, you berated the IWC for liking the guy and the silly thing is your apart of it, if you have an issue with ring of honor maybe you should stay clear from the pro ring of honor threads.
You did say that I berated Bryan Danielson, the wrestler. Here were your words ....
He does, but alot of the time overshadows it with his IWC bashing and negative comments towards anyone who likes a certain promotion that is not pre attitude era or non indie, he totally bashed Brian Danielson and called anyone who liked him an internet Mark, I dont mind opinions but he really needs to stop forcing his own and maybe actually allow people to contribute.
So now, you are a liar.
So let the record be clear. I have never bashed Bryan Danielson the wrestler. I think he is a great wrestler. However, I have stated that he will have difficulty getting over with the WWE audience based solely on his wrestling, if they do not allow him promo time and perhaps a character/personality to get connect with the fanbase. That is just a fact.
I have also stated that I worry about WWE becoming a more technically based promotion in adopting the ROH style across the board (as they have to an extent for the past year ... especially on Smackdown and Superstars). That again, is not "bashing Bryan Danielson", your hero evidently.
Again berating someone just because they have an opinion on you, poor boy you must hate it when people call you out.
You can call me out on whatever you want to call me out on. It doesn't mean its true. However, I did clearly point out your hypocrisy in your initial comments. You want me to understand/respect your views on wrestling ... however you evidently don't want to respect mine. In your vision, it's a one way street. I just don't play that game.
If you don't like what people post then heres an idea dont reply to their opinions,
See again, here is the clear hypocrisy you demonstrate. I voice my opinions. You don't agree with them. So you respond to me. Pot? Kettle? Black?
If you don't like something I write, and if you are such a mark that my opinions bring you to tears, then maybe it's best for you to follow your own advice and not respond to me.
I have no gripe with others who may respond to me. That's their right to do so.
But I must say, have you contacted the Mods yet to get their opinion on your train of thought that "people who disagree with others shouldn't respond to their posts?" That certainly doesn't make for a lively discussion forum, now does it?
I red repped you due to the fact that your opinion on the IWC and ROH was pointless, you shouldn't have used the brian danielson thread to berate the promotion and you where warned to stay on topic, but thats where your arrogance comes in you feel that the rules do not apply to you and you would rather berate then debate, which is sad.
Ah, yes. Once again, the "Arrogance" buzzword. No, sir ... I am not Rick "The Model" Martel. Sorry.
Also, just to let you know, Slyfox put those comments in there as I was already formulating my next post. So, when I posted my comments, I did not see his warning before I posted my next set of comments.
It's not that I feel the "Rules don't apply to me". As soon as I saw his request, I asked for my next post to be deleted. And it was. Why did I bother doing that? Because I wanted to follow the rules. What a concept.
Pro wrestling has amature wrestling components incorperated, they use psycology and wrestling techniques to help shape the story of their matches. so if you have a problem with it then why watch?, its a wrestling forum but yet you seem to keep advocating for a non wrestling product?.
No, sir. If I were advocating for a Non-Wrestling product, then you would have to classify the Hogan Era, New Generation Era, Attitude Era, and Post Attitude Eras all as "Non-Wrestling products".
What you are seemingly advocating is an entirely wrestling based product with no characters/gimmicks/storylines/promos and nothing but technical matches. That is where my problem is, in that I do not advocate a product like that under any circumstance.
What I advocate is for what the WWF/E has always been, up until this point. And notice how I even said "Hogan Era" and "New Generation Era". It isn't the PG rating that has me upset. It is Japanizing the entire product which is what my biggest problem is.
I explained this before and I will explain it yet again .....
I advocate for the Development of characters and storylines so that the fans will form a connection with the talents and be smoothly drawn into the feuds. The best platform for this to occur is on weekly television-- Raw, Smackdown, and ECW. I feel that 3 or 4 matches is suitable for a 2 hour period. However, anything more than that, you run the risk of blowing opportunities to develop characters/storylines to draw the fans into the feuds.
I am all for Long Term booking and feel that WWE should have a rough outline of the feuds they want for an entire year. In doing so, in the months leading up to any feud, the two superstars should be separated from each other as much as possible to preserve the novelty of the feud.
If any two superstars are feuding at an upcoming PPV, then they should not be in another one on one match at any point leading up to that PPV. Tag matches are okay if two opponents are involved, but this stuff for example with Triple H and Orton feuding on Raw one week, and then wrestling at the PPV later that same week, is unacceptable.
Wrestling has its place in the product. And a very important place, mind you. However its place is where it actually counts ... and that is on the PPV's. There is nothing like seeing an outstanding feud on television between two superstars, and the novelty of seeing them wrestle for the first time on the PPV in a head-to-head encounter. The wrestling audience is simply getting too much of that on a weekly basis, which is deteriorating interest in the overall product. Plus, the additional time now spent on matches is preventing the development of characters and storylines, to draw people into the PPV matches, from taking place.
What I advocate is absolutely nothing new from what Vince has done before. So for you to make me out as any less of a wrestling fan because of that, simply proves my point about fans of technical wrestling and the mindsets of many ROH fans.
BTW, just from looking at other posts of yours and at the risk of this being classified as being "arrogant of me" ... it is spelled "Orton", not "Ortan".
