Legacy is boring.

[It's...Baylariat!]

How are they boring? They're one of the most interestring things at the moment; something the WWE brought in to please people, probably.

Got to throw a no at this one. What's interesting about them?

The whole point is/was to hate her - she's one of the best heels I've seen in a long time. And she's obviously worked you. Go Vickie.

A heel's a heel. Vickie pisses people off, hence she's a good heel.

Of course that will happen at some point. But if it happens straight away still no one will care. Orton > Them.

No one will care when it DOES happen. Period.

But what, exactly? Everything the WWE does people claim it's 'boring'.

Well, it's because the WWE has it on cruise control and Vince is only worried about pleasing advertisers instead of a decent product.

Then don't watch it? Triple H is a great wrestler, but he's not the only thing WWE has to offer.

The WWE has tons to offer and it seems as if they're picking up the pace with Miz, Matt Hardy, MVP, and Kofi...so they're getting better.

But I want to know why you like the product?

 

[HBK-aholic]

Got to throw a no at this one. What's interesting about them?

I don't see what isn't. Orton is a great wrestler, has great feuds, and this could move on to be an Evolution type thing. We all know what good they did for the business. It certainly intrigues me as to where this is going to go, as Legacy do have the talent for it.

A heel's a heel. Vickie pisses people off, hence she's a good heel.

Exactly.

No one will care when it DOES happen. Period.

I don't think this is the case. While they wouldn't if it happened now, as I said, f WWE book it right - make us think Orton isn't the only one with a chance - I think it could be very interesting.

Well, it's because the WWE has it on cruise control and Vince is only worried about pleasing advertisers instead of a decent product.

I don't really see what's wrong with the product though. It's not 10/10, but it's not horrible. If it was I wouldn't watch it. People obviously only like complaining about it, yet still watch it. If they still watch it, it can't be as bad as they like to say.

The WWE has tons to offer and it seems as if they're picking up the pace with Miz, Matt Hardy, MVP, and Kofi...so they're getting better.

But I want to know why you like the product?

The whole product, or just legacy? Well, I think I've explained legacy in this thread, if it's the product as a whole I'd be happy to answer in a different thread, I just don't want this getting too off-topic .

 

[D-Man]

What's stale is someone who doesn't know the point of a forum. It's to express OPINIONS. Sure, you think Legacy's fine. Fair enough. I personally, think it IS boring. Look at past heel factions. They all posed fear in the opposite side of the spectrum. Legacy doesn't.

Fair enough. Then we agree to disagree.

Someone already beat me to it, but it's because they're the ONLY ONE on Raw. It's the fact they keep getting their ass kicked by Shane McMahon. So they're really a good heel faction, when it takes THREE of them to put Shane O' Mac out of commission.

And Evolution was the ONLY faction on Raw at one time... and so was the Corporation and Corporate Ministry.

And you're actually going to jump into the kayfabe argument that "it takes three of them to put Shane out of commission"?? Come on now... we all know it's a television show. When all three of them gang up on one person it's because... well... they're a GANG. They get together and beat people up.

Umm...no they haven't, because no one cares either way. No one cares if someone comes out to beat them up.

Thanks for speaking on behalf of everyone in the world that watches pro wrestling. Now, if you wouldn't mind, can we stick to facts and not just your opinion?

You're seriously using the Vickie Gurrerro argument? First of all, Vickie generates ten times more heat than Legacy...and the thing is NO ONE hates Legacy...they're just boring.

Actually, I disagree completely. Vickie generates 1,000 times more heat than Legacy! But, I wasn't starting a heat-pissing contest. I was merely making a comparison of the audiences genuine emotion versus the direction that the WWE constantly tries to lead us into. You obviously genuinely dislike Legacy, so thanks for proving my point.

Wow. Just wow. You haven't watched Raw lately have you?

Gee... I guess not. That's why I have valid points and the rights to my opinions, just like you do. Pfffft...

What's becoming stale is people like you who try to come in here on your damn high horse because you're satisfied with the product. If you are, then fine. If you don't like the bitching, there are plenty of forums that would suit your poor taste in wrestling programming.

So does that put you on a LOW horse because you're DIS-satisfied with the product? And just because I don't agree with you I have poor taste in wrestling programming?? Listen pal, I've seen you post some phenomenal stuff on this website and I think you have a great head for the business. However, I have just as much right to disagree with you than agree. I'm an advocate of staying positive about the wrestling business. So, to quote your "words of wisdom" (with a slight change), "If you don't like the praising of the programming, there are plenty of forums that would suit your poor taste in wrestling programming."

You could tell me what to do with my opinions the day you own this website. Until then, not everyone is going to agree with you. I've accepted it... maybe you should, too.

 

[IrishCanadian25]

I seem to have walked into a face-off between the two front-runners for the Rookie of the Year 2009 Title in the persons of D-Man and Lariat. Compelling arguments on either side.

I just wonder if you both got into this debating the same thing. Let's see if I can recap...

1. D-Man tees off on posters for being overly negative about the WWE Product, which has been his soapbox since his first day here.

2. Lariat contends that Legacy IS, indeed, boring, and deserves the negativity.

3. D-Man comes back explaining that as fans we need to find the positives in Legacy and what they do for the program.

4. Lariat, in turn, states that they are failing at that because of their lack of legit heat.

Interesting.

One thing I have to mention - many of you feel a stable should pose a legitimate "threat" to the roster they are on. I agree with that. But let's also look at the fact that WWE seems to be taking great care in not making Legacy a flawless entity. When the nWo was in it's 2nd year of existance, it because SO massive that it overshadowed the entire roster. Having three guys in Legacy keeps the team small enough to not take over mid-card time and other storylines, while still being stealthy enough for a "divide and conquer" or "3-on-1 attack" scenario.

Here's my issue with Legacy - it's basically Randy Orton being 3 men. That's it. The great thing about Evolution and the Horseman was the heterogeneity. (look it up.) Triple H was on top of the team, and you had Flair who was a well-established entity. They separated out Orton in the mid-card as a strong Intercontinental Champion, and Batista as a tag team champion and "enforcer." With Legacy, all three men revolve around Orton and exist only to save his title. We have not seen Rhodes and DiBiase work to regain the World Tag Team Titles, which would make logical sense. They are slowly losing their own identities.

And I'll be honest again - I turned off Raw at 10:40 last night, in the middle of the MVP / Kofi vs Hardy / Regal match. I was tired, but you get the point. I didn't care about the Orton / Batista match. Not enough to stay up.

Take that at face value.

 

[D-Man]

The great thing about Evolution and the Horseman was the heterogeneity. (look it up.)

This is why I love when IC posts shit on here... he uses big words like "heterogeneity". I think I just got a boner.

Once again I'll say that I can agree (to an extent) that Legacy has it's boring moments on television. But, I think that we should keep a close eye on this faction... I truly believe it's still a work in progress. I think the writers are keeping the faction at bay so they don't overwhelm the rest of the roster (just like the NWO and resurgence of DX). Once the rest of the roster begins to overwhelm Legacy and just when we think they're too weak to control [kayfabe] the Raw roster, they'll bring in another member... and then another... and maybe another. And once that member (or those memberS) come in, it will be a big push for brand new talent on the WWE's flagship television show. THEN we'll begin to see Legacy as a legitimate threat, and I'm sure most of you will be happy (since everyone is never going to be happy.)

 

[BooCocky]

I do find them borin because Orton is the only one with heat. But I do think this is good for Ted and Cody, instead of getting lost in the shuffle, they at least get a weekly segment and some decent television time. If they didn't have Orton, Ted and Cody would be a lost cause. Yes, I do find legacy boring, but I like how it helps develop Ted and Cody.

 

[ErictheEnt]

Personally, I'm rather bored with this group. Perhaps I don't have the attention span that Mr. Rob talked about needing.

If you didn't notice, Orton's entrance takes about an hour (not literally but it feels like it at times). Hell, the Big Show gets there twice as quick as Orton does. I'm getting tired of the three of their long, deep and emo glances they give to the crowd. Orton gets in the ring and says the same b.s. over and over again and it rarely has any context to it.

Last night on RAW they had like 5+ segments with him and thank God I had recorded the show but I found myself fast forwarding through his segments not fearful that I would miss anything important except him talking about how great he is, blah blah,.

If you're going to spend precious air time that could have been spent watching the Bella Twins do ANYTHING, do something meaningful or entertaining with it. Otherwise put the Bella Twins on the screen.

 

[Tastycles]

Randy Orton is potentially the most boring main eventer of all time. His promos are exactly the same every week, monosyllabism isn't ever interesting. If I live to be a hundred, I don't think I'll ever understand why he is so widely loved. I have asked around 25 times for somebody to come up with a match of his that was good, and nobody has yet managed to. It's as if 100 headlocks aren't very interesting, or something.

As for legacy, I kind of see wht they are doing, with the other two mimmicking Orton, but the problem is is tat neither of them were given a chance to get over themselves first of all, so when they do they're promos, nobody cares.

Ryder and Hawkins had the same problem. They just appear as somebody's lackeys, and they never had a chance to influence anybody into liking them first. DiBiase and Rhodes were kind of thrown into this, and it shows. Turning on Hardcore Holly isn't going to get you over.

If we compare that to somebody like the original DX. The New Age Outlaws were given time before to make actual characters for themselves, so then when they joined DX, you cared about all of them, not just Triple H.

I think Rhodes and DiBiase are probably two names for the future, but can you honestly see either of them turning on Orton as spectacularly as he did to HHH? Because I can't, they're just too insignificant and they get annihilated every week by Shane McMahon.

The storyline is tired, and this has started to make me disengage from Raw. Legacy just don't hold my iterest, because it's just Orton and 2 lots of Ortonlite, and unfortunately, Orton is boring, so I have to say Legacy are too.

 

[BIGJUICYNIPPLES]

to me the main problem is simple, ted, and cody are in legacy because of one reason being 2nd generation superstars, neither of them are good and neither of them deserve a real chance. but yet there getting one and failing.

when tripple h had evolution it was great ric flair as the guy who teaches them how to be a top player, tripple h main guy going for title, batista huge sob dropping every1 infront and also winning the world tag titles with ric, and randy ortan being intercontinantle champ and having a great fued with mic foley, yeh the group was mainly about tripps but they all had there little thing going on.

 

[truk24]

Let me make this clear when I say that this "Legacy" sucks, and that the concept wasn't a bad choice on creative's part. As I said when I first started this thread. Umaga, and Carlito would have made a better tag team, and they are both experienced/next generation stars. There were rumors that the WWE was going to allow Umaga talk, that would have been perfect had he joined Legacy. Carlito is in a tag team now, and so what difference would it have made for him now?

Both Carlito, and Umaga are solid workers, who excel well at playing heels. In the real world outside of wrestling Orton is solid friends with both of these men, they used to travel with one another, and I think they still do from time to time. The chemistry would have been there. Umaga with a new look representing his family, and Carlito could have easily turned on his brother, making him heel and join Legacy. We know that at least 2 of the 3 men are solid on the mic. Neither Cody/Teddy have the draw that Carlito or Umaga have.

As for Teddy, and Cody they should have been sent to ECW. Just think about how much sense that would have made. For months after ECW lost most of the star power that it used to have everyone thought of who could help re-build ECW. This may sound a bit far stretched, but there could have been an angle started that could have been decent for ECW. Remember way back once Shane Douglas won his NWA title, he declared it the ECW title. Why not have Cody Rhodes bring back the NWA title, and declare that this is no longer ECW world title, but the New Wrestling Alliance world title.

In order to preserve this title, and takeover ECW they would have to have a large stable to do so. Call them the "Sons of Legends", and the members or this new alliance could have been Cody, Teddy, Jesse Gordy, Primo Colon, Manu, and even Sim Snuka. A bunch of stars looking to make a name for themselves. If that is to much then something simple. My point here is that the WWE had a chance to build these guys, and ECW should have been where they started. They could have done well on that show.

 

[Adel_hamra]

legacy is getting boring coz the whole trips, batista, mcmahon/legacy storyline isn't moving much and for the last 3 weeks, i got bored of seeing legacy take half an hour to get to the ring, shane throwing super punches coz he's "fueled with emotions" and batista not doing much other than(hoepfully) be building up for a heel turn wich is the only thing i wish would come out of the whole storyline...other than that, if the abercombie and fitch models(rhodes and dibiase according to mvp...hehe) don't get title matches for either the us title or tag titles or if they don't begin separate storylines, then yes, legacy will drain everyone watching raw..hell, i might even actually want to watch santino dressed as a woman

 

[MiiX]

Legacy is way to boring, besides having sub-par matches rhodes and dibiase to nothing except stand there trying to be tough when in terms of storyline they either triple team with orton or get their ass handed to them by whoever is feuding with orton.

 

[WWEFreak]

IMO i think they should have made Legacy in a complete different way. Legacy is suppose to be what? a stable full of 2nd and 3rd generation superstars? There is a whole bunch of them in the WWE.... i think that they should separate the titles and have cody and ted win the WWE tag teams and let carlito and primo keep the world then bring them in to legacy.... then u have natalya win the women's or diva's then you have Randy as World.... Umage as Intercontinental and idk get people who's 2nd win the wwe, and ecw and usa... then with them controlling all of the WWE title have the first generation superstars fued with them trying to get them back by saying your nothing blah blah blah your parents and crap were better than you... your nothing compared to them ect.... like u'd have your new evolution with them holding all the titles and stuff and personally have them run all of Raw Smackdown and ECW as the most dominate stable.... How will the stable end? Get their old heads parents to step in the ring and whoop their ass... imo i wouldnt mind seeing that and getting a good laugh lol

 

[Carter121]

Legacy still has potential. Remember that it is still early in their formation and things take time to develop and evolve. I would prefer that they turn things up a notch and make Dibiase and Rhodes credible. Although they get some mic time every now and then, they cannot seem to generate much heat from the crowd without Orton. Their matches have been duds and they arent given much wins and when they do its just flukes. Then when its 3-1 they just get man handled like it is nothing. I think they need to step things up to become a serious threat.

 

[legendkiller6]

I love the whole idea of Legacy. I just don't like how Orton said they will be bigger than Evolution, bigger than DX, but they get their ass kicked EVERY week! I mean can't they atleast beat Cryme Tyme or somebody. Santino wins more matches than legacy does.

 

[Razor]

I agree. For a few reasons.

1) Orton is getting to where he walks out and drones. He just sits there and rambles about how his stable is so great, about how they will be so good. ..Only problem is, Orton is the only one with any kind of championship. Rhodes and Dibiase aren't even trying for the tag team championships. I mean come on. At least Evolution had more than one champion.

2) Really? We're supposed to be afraid of Rhodes and Dibiase? I mean, Orton has proven time and again he is capable of putting people out of action. But Rhodes and Dibiase just sit there looking really aggravated and looking like they're holding themselves back, almost as if they're afraid to attack even though they usually have a 3 on 1 advantage. Sure, it could be that they are really well disciplined by Orton, but if they're heels aren't they supposed to attack other than when Orton is fighting a match?

3) The storyline has reached a wall. It can't really move along because they are trying to sell Orton's punt, and they're trying to stall with Batista's "I'm getting revenge because you kicked me in the head" schtick. It's all good. Especially since Triple H is getting some time off. He could use it, and when he comes back maybe people won't be as negative about him. At any rate, they can't move forward when the main Legacy storyline is halted at the moment.

It'll work. Just needs to get moving again, and make Rhodes and Dibiase actually worth something.