Kurt Angle, Please SHUT UP Already!!

[Wrestlefan73]

Ok, am I the only one who thinks Kurt Angle needs to keep his mouth shut for awhile? Yes Kurt, we ALL know that it is commonplace in this business to talk trash about big bad Vince when he fires your ass, but come on. Enough is enough.
When you left WWE, you had your chance to persue MMA and back up all that talk you did(and still do). Remember Daniel Puter? Well, what happened? The ink wasn't even dry on your termination papers from WWE and you signed with TNA. I don't blame you, hey make your money. But don't continue to talk about how you're some sort of tough guy who can knock out Ortiz, Lidell, Courture, and Shamrock anytime you want in an octagon. You had your chance and stayed in the entertainment business.
Now Kurt has turned his attention to the fans. Saying that he enjoys wrestling in front of 1,500 people who get into the match is better than wrestling in front of 35,000 who just sit there. If that's not a slap in the face to wrestling fans. I myself am just that: A WRESTLING FAN! I enjoy it. I have for roughly the past 25 years and will continue to be a fan of it. All brands, promotions, territories, whatever you want to call them. I'm sure that 75-85% of die-hard wrestling fans watch both WWE and TNA, so you're insulting not only those 35,000 at a WWE event, but the 1,500 TNA fans that would go to a WWE event if it were held in Orlando.
Bottom line, time for Kurt Angle to shut up!

 

[Shocky]

Wrestlefan, what brought this on now.

Kurt liked the atmosphere in the ECW crowds, and so he would like it in TNA. Many people feel the same way. The smaller crowds and the smaller venues are more intimate,a nd you have more interaction with one another. Sure it's impressive to wrestle in front of 80,000 people, but when 80,000 people are sitting on their hands at WM 23, it's disapointing.

He's not insulting wrestling fans, he's praising the loyal ones that sell out a 1000 seat bingo hall and fight to get tickets. Those are the people that want to be their and enjoy the show. Sure TNA fans can be cheasy, but they are highly appreciative of the product. The old ECW fans would boo you out of the building if you had no passion, but those people would make you feel like a god if you gave them your all.

I have no problem with any of Angles comments, that's the way the man feels. He's not knocking anyone.

 

[EP Punk]

Dude, Angle is just speaking his mind. And if you wanna talk about bad mouthing, check out the issues of WWE Magazine right after Kurt's release...they dogged him hardcore. And I don't take his comments as a slap in the face, as it appears you are the only one to do so. The smaller crowds ARE more appreciative, and if I was a pro wrestler, I would rather go in front of 1500 that are gonna cheer or boo their asses off as opposed to the 800000 sitting on theirs.

 

[TheCriminal92]

first of all kurt angle would get his ass whooped by any, and i repeat any MMA fighter. He thinks he will be good cause he won an olympic medal........11 YEARS AGO. But if i was kurt angle and i had the choice of entertaining in front of 80,00 or 1500, i would pick 1500.

 

[caifanes]

I'm agree with Angle....at Wrestlemania 23 .. 80,000 people and anyone do anything there, screams, boooss, but very lows.. But in 4000 or less people, it's more intimidating...Think about ECW One Night Stand 2.., at Cena vs RVD, the match wasn't a 5 star match but the crowd was amazing.., It's the same with TNA Wrestling.

 

[jcdrules]

Kurt's an idiot. So he's now stopped talking smack about MMA, UFC, WWE, and has now moved on to fans. He says 1500 at the impact zone is perfect for him. Well Kurt, good for you. Keep performing infront of the SAME 1500 people every 2 weeks. here's what Angle forgets, IMPACT is free admission, the minute TNA would get smart and charge for IMPACT that building would see about 500 people. Im from NYC and there is no way this idiot could claim he would rather work infront of the same 1500 people, instead of workin infront of 15,000+ at MSG. Speakin of MSG he should remeber that those 15,000 that he wouldnt want to work infront of, started the "YOU SUCK" chant when his music played. So please Kurt, I agree with the poster of this topic, and to quote Y2J: "KIRK ANGEL, WOULD YOU PLEASE SHUT THE HELL UP!!!"

 

[TheKingpin]

I just want to say one thing & one thing only...i went to the 9.11.2006 RAW/ECW show @ MSG & it sucked balls, badly...1/2 the crowd was dead & the other 1/2 of the crowd was women & kids cheering for John Cena & DX...i spent $150 on 2 tickets for me & my nephew & i felt ripped off, BIG TIME...not only did i feel ripped off, i was also bored outta my mind almost the whole show...now its not the MSG crowd that sucks, but the booking of the show was not exciting at all, thats why 1/2 the crowd was dead

I went to the 9.16.2006 ROH Show @ The Manhattan Center...i payed $75 for 3 tickets...the show was announced as a complete sellout of 1,500+ die hard fans who actually appreciate wrestling, not sports entertainment...i have to say that the ROH show i went to completly shitted on everything WWE has done in recent memory [besides ECW ONS2]...i have vowed myself to never attend another WWE event in my area untill they step their Wrestling game up...i also vowed to go to every ROH show @ The Manhattan Center since they started running their & ive been to 3 shows with my 4th ROH show coming up in 3 weeks

Quick summary

WWE = 70% little kids & women as fans = a garbage show because of booking

TNA = 80% Die Hard Fans = great show with great wrestling, horrible show sometimes with their stupid angles/booking

ROH = 100% Die Hard Fans = A great show anywhere they go because of their booking, plus theirs always little kids & women in this audience, except they appreciate actual wrestling

 

[TheKingpin]

RAW 9/11 MSG (I WAS THERE)
-ROWDY PIPER SHOWS UP WITH THE HIGHLANDERS GOT A HUGE POP
-AWSOME 6 MAN MATCH: CENA/HARDY/CARLITO vs EDGE/ORTON/NITRO - GOOD MATCH TO BUILD UP TO UNFORGIVEN AND ONE OF THE BEST ANTI CENA CROWDS SINCE WM 22. (CHANTS OF F**k YOU CENA, GO TO SMACK DOWN, CENA SUCKS, COUNTERED BY CHANTS OF LETS GO CENA & STAY ON RAW).
-TRISH'S FINAL RAW MATCH AWESOME FAREWELL POP FOR TRISH
-DX/SHOW/McMAHONS MAIN EVENT WHICH HAD A GOOD REACTION PLUS THE CROWD CHANTIN FOR THE RETURN OF X-PAC.
PLUS ECW'S MSG DEBUT WHICH HAD CM PUNK, RVD vs HOLLY, AND AN AWESOME BIG SHOW vs SABU MAIN EVENT WHICH THE CROWD WAS INTO.
SO TO SIT DARE AND DARE SAY THE 9/11 RAW WAS BORING AND DEAD SAY'S YOU'RE EITHER BLIND AND DEAF OR JUST AS STUPID AS KURT ANGLE.

WHY ARE YOU YELLING???...ARE YOU MAD THAT THE 9.11 WWE SHOW SUCKED COMPARED TO THE 9.16 ROH SHOW???...CAUSE THATS WHAT I WAS COMPARING IT TOO DUMBASS...I'M NOT BLIND & DEAF, YOUR JUST BLIND & ******ED IF YOU COULDNT SEE WHAT I WAS COMPARING IT TOO...WAIT, LET ME PUT IT IN A WAY YOU CAN UNDERSTAND IT...YOUUUU CANT SEEEEE MEEEEE!!!

First off, have you ever been to a classic ECW show or a current ROH show???...i highly doubt it cause you would know the difference a crowd makes & you would know what im talking about...smaller venue's with 1,500+ die-hard fans get more of a reaction compared to bigger venue's with 20,000+ fans...learn to read, because i made it very obvious that i was talking about fans at the shows & the quality of the booking...the 9.16 ROH main event of Bryan Danielson vs. KENTA completely shitted on the entire 9.11 RAW/WWECW show...do you even know who KENTA is???

WWECW's debut at MSG was decent, first off, 1/2 the people werent even there when they started filming, there were tons of empty seats & tons of empty seating showed up on TV which was just real sad to watch...they only had WWECW there just to say on TV that ECW finally made it to MSG which is bullshit because thats not the real ECW, thats WWECW...CM Punk's match was all but 2 minutes long, against who, Shannon Moore???...OMG, What An AMAZING MSG debut for CM Punk

-AWSOME 6 MAN MATCH: CENA/HARDY/CARLITO vs EDGE/ORTON/NITRO - GOOD MATCH TO BUILD UP TO UNFORGIVEN AND ONE OF THE BEST ANTI CENA CROWDS SINCE WM 22. (CHANTS OF F**k YOU CENA, GO TO SMACK DOWN, CENA SUCKS, COUNTERED BY CHANTS OF LETS GO CENA & STAY ON RAW).

question???...were you not able to hear the difference in voices during those cena chants???...all the anti-cena chants were deep voices & were made by men...all the pro-cena chants were high pitched little kids & screams from women...now if you couldnt hear the obvious difference in that, then you need a hearing aide dude


EDIT: Did you delete your response to me???...thats just sad dude

 

[anthony]

ya know only kids and girls cheer for cena excuse is getting old go to any event and there are grown men that have cenas shirt on so that excuse is dull or of course your girlfriend thinks cenas hot and you hate it


and another thing people buy thier tickets with thier own money if they want to sit there and say nothing more power tothem its not mine yours or angles business what the f@ck they do they buy it so let them be

 

[TheKingpin]

ya know only kids and girls cheer for cena excuse is getting old go to any event and there are grown men that have cenas shirt on so that excuse is dull

That excuse is not dull cause i am talking about one specific moment where the facts i stated were very obvious...First off, im only talking about the RAW/WWECW SuperShow on September, 11th 2006 @ MSG in NYC, im not talking about WM23, im not talking about last nights Raw or 2nights WWECW, im only talking about that 9.11.2006 WWE Show...on that day, it was clearly obvious what i heard, i was there live & you can clearly hear the difference of the chants, you hear a ton of guys chanting "FUCK YOU CENA" & then you hear tons of high pitched kids voices & women cheering "LETS GO CENA"...very clear difference that you can hear very very clearly, i dont know how much more i can dumb it down for people like you

or of course your girlfriend thinks cenas hot and you hate it

Dude, what are you, like 12???...where do you come from with this childish shit...that shit is soooooo corny...you know what, imma stoop down to your level, you were probably one of the little kids cheering for cena at that show

i have no problem with Cena, i just hate that Vince McMahon is basing his whole company on a wrestler that should be no higher than mid-card, just to make more money, but its actually hurting his product...BTW, what kinda message are they sending to the little kids that admire him by calling his moves the "Fuck U' & the "Shut The Fuck Up"

and another thing people buy thier tickets with thier own money if they want to sit there and say nothing more power tothem its not mine yours or angles business what the f@ck they do they buy it so let them be

yeah i agree, but thats like going to the movies & falling asleep after the previews start, or going to 6 Flags just to walk around, or buying a Plasma TV to play Atari

 

[Kasey]

Kurt's an idiot. So he's now stopped talking smack about MMA, UFC, WWE, and has now moved on to fans. He says 1500 at the impact zone is perfect for him. Well Kurt, good for you. Keep performing infront of the SAME 1500 people every 2 weeks. here's what Angle forgets, IMPACT is free admission, the minute TNA would get smart and charge for IMPACT that building would see about 500 people. Im from NYC and there is no way this idiot could claim he would rather work infront of the same 1500 people, instead of workin infront of 15,000+ at MSG. Speakin of MSG he should remeber that those 15,000 that he wouldnt want to work infront of, started the "YOU SUCK" chant when his music played. So please Kurt, I agree with the poster of this topic, and to quote Y2J: "KIRK ANGEL, WOULD YOU PLEASE SHUT THE HELL UP!!!"

Actually, you have to pay park admission to get into the doors in Orlando, so I'd hardly deem that as free considering Universal is a money machine like no other and will ****e out anything as long as the price is right. And TNA seemed to do well with it's away-from-home outings as of recent as they haven't had trouble putting asses in those seats at arenas nowhere near Orlando. Not saying that they rake in money anywhere close to WWE attendance figures, because that would be ludicrous. Angle is a moron in some aspects, but if he's talking about his preference of whether or not to work in front of 1500 at the Impact Zone and his preference for the atmosphere, there...so what? The passion is there much more often than not at a TNA event. It's a damn sad day when I say that the response and and crowd activity at a WWE show is best when it's OVERSEAS...and that includes "The Mecca" of sports, being MSG. And those sophisticated New Yorkers had to be led through the chant by Edge...so it's not like they invented anything.

 

[Kasey]

Ok, am I the only one who thinks Kurt Angle needs to keep his mouth shut for awhile? Yes Kurt, we ALL know that it is commonplace in this business to talk trash about big bad Vince when he fires your ass, but come on. Enough is enough.
When you left WWE, you had your chance to persue MMA and back up all that talk you did(and still do). Remember Daniel Puter? Well, what happened? The ink wasn't even dry on your termination papers from WWE and you signed with TNA. I don't blame you, hey make your money. But don't continue to talk about how you're some sort of tough guy who can knock out Ortiz, Lidell, Courture, and Shamrock anytime you want in an octagon. You had your chance and stayed in the entertainment business.
Now Kurt has turned his attention to the fans. Saying that he enjoys wrestling in front of 1,500 people who get into the match is better than wrestling in front of 35,000 who just sit there. If that's not a slap in the face to wrestling fans. I myself am just that: A WRESTLING FAN! I enjoy it. I have for roughly the past 25 years and will continue to be a fan of it. All brands, promotions, territories, whatever you want to call them. I'm sure that 75-85% of die-hard wrestling fans watch both WWE and TNA, so you're insulting not only those 35,000 at a WWE event, but the 1,500 TNA fans that would go to a WWE event if it were held in Orlando.
Bottom line, time for Kurt Angle to shut up!

Kurt is kind of a bonehead in certain respects (Sabin's "Pigpen" gimmick idea, having Hogan or Show in TNA), but as far as him fighting in MMA? Big deal. Could he be a legit force in MMA competiton? Maybe. No one knows for sure, but for a guy who won an Olympic Gold Medal, would you expect him to have a "can't do" kind of attitude? I wouldn't. Sure, it might just be big talk, but in the end who knows, maybe he could be some or all of the aforementioned MMA stalwarts. As for him being "fired?" Didn't happen. That's why Vince was so pissed that the first chance he got he used WWE's text message service to bury Angle. The funny part is that they expected Angle not to notice or something like that. Angle only lashed out in retaliation. All of his first interviews were gracious affairs and he didn't say a damn word edgewise towards McMahon and Co. that wasn't anything but kind. And as for Angle enjoying wrestling for the smaller TNA crowds more? So what? The average WWE audience these days is complete $hit. BORING. Bad booking. Bad wrestling. Zero audience participation in anything but a few of the wrestling segments. Besides, with a smaller smark-filled audience the guys in the ring actually have to produce in order to get over. They can't half-ass it and ride high on a gimmick alone. This is why Angle fits nicely in TNA. He actually likes the wrestling part of the wrestling show. Angle's not insulting anyone because the proof is in the pudding, my friend. The typical TNA crowd is three times more insane than that of their WWE counterparts, plain and simple.

 

[TheKingpin]

^^^Co-Sign to the fullest, especially the part about the smarks forcing wrestlers to put on a good show

 

[killcenanow]

In life in general everyone talks shit about everyone else, why should Angle not bitch about wwe, Not to many people can say they loved every job and boss they've ever had. It's great to let off steam once your gone. Yes Angle would get his ass kicked in MMA if he were to fight now, 9 years ago he would have been competetive with the proper training. Smaller crowds are generally more lively but alot depends on the emotional buildup for the fans, as in the wwe makes enough hype that people actually care. at wrestlemania 22 in chicago i was there and it was loud booed every time cena got an offense cheered every offense triple h landed the chicago crowd in general was so tired of Cena they cheered for who was supposed to be the company's top heel. and it is a valid point that generally speaking women who watch for reasons other then love of the actual sport and children who are usually going to root for whoever there told to root for will scream for cena. It does get old but thats how wrestling always is and will likely continue back in 03 Orton was getting the same treatment to a lesser extent...But its not like wrestling fans always unite and pull for the most talented wrestlers...this is proven by the number of male wrestling enthusiasts who idolize hogan the rock goldberg and batista...why the hell did batista get the entire crowd support behind him at survivor series 06 sure booker t sucks but neither could even be in contention and there you have it some of you joined your wifes and girlfriends and stopped giving two shits about wrestling and gave a standing ovation for half assed talents like batista.

 

[Uncle Sam]

I agree with the majority of the people here- and Kurt Angle- in saying that 1500 people really into a match is better than 80,000 people doing "the ol' Charlie Haas pop". I'd also like the point out that the "You Suck!" chants were just a sign of how people got so deeply into his character and the amazing heel heat that followed, they didn't think he actually sucked.

 

[figure4]

^^Yeah the fans definitely knew Kurt Angle didn't suck. But I do think he needs to shut up, he's insulting the fans who made him the superstar that he is today. The WWE fans were always into Angle matches, I've seen him in person five or six times and he always contended for loudest pop of the night, even as a heel. WWE fans loved and appreciated Kurt Angle. It's alright for him to speak his mind, but he generalized his entire WWE audience as being people who didn't appreciate his work. I don't know about the rest of you, but that upsets me a little bit. Still, he is Kurt Angle, and even though he did jump ship to the competition, he's still one of the greatest wrestlers ever so he can pretty much say what the hell he wants.

 

[daveman88]

Kurt has the right to feel anyway he wants to. Every person is different. That's what makes humans so great. One man may love to perform in front of 80,000 fans and another person may prefer to wrestle in front of 1,000. Every human is different and unique and has the RIGHT to feel how they want. I am not insulted by what Kurt said. As long as he is happy and enjoys what he is doing, I say good for him.

 

[Wrestlefan73]

Kurt Angle is not a dumb-ass! He's not going to knock the TNA fans that watch him now. That's like Peyton Manning quitting the NFL to join a semi-pro team and saying he "prefers" to play in front of those smaller crowds rather than the 75,000 plus fans. All I'm saying is that we are the same fans. If a WWE event came to your town or near you, you would probably go, just the same if a TNA event came around. I know I would. Yes, I'll admit, alot of the time WWE storylines and matches suck. But are all of you telling me that you really enjoyed the whole "Jackass" Gimmick in TNA? The action is better most of the time in TNA, but for what....one match? Then Kevin Nash, who is desperately trying to be funny comes out and ruins the show, or we see Bob Backland walking up and down a stairmaster type of equipment. VKM? One minute that hate WWE, then they try to get a release to go back to them? Unfortunately I doubt we will ever see an entire TNA broadcast of the X Division guys going ball to wall. Don't even get me started on WWE. If they would train their guys before pushing them to main event status, they might be worthy to watch and cheer for. Bobby Lashley has to be the worst at an interview....and he's the EC-dub champ!

To the one poster who asked if I have ever been to a small crowed original ECW show. Yes, I have. And I was lucky, or unlucky enough to see the Sandman come out drunk, piss on the ring post, pull down his pants and show off his twig & berries for everybody to see.

To the other poster who said TNA crowds are three times more insane that WWE crowds: Thats because for the three shows in a row you see on tv, have all been taped in a row, the same day. It's the same people for every show.
Can't wait to hear the replys......

 

[X]

How does the fact that they tape three shows in a row have anything to do with the crowd's intensity? TNA crowds are awesome, they are true wrestling fans who won't put up with bullshit like a blindfold match or an incredibly fake electric cage match(though that match was actually damn good IMO).

Look, WWE fans do not make any wrestler. A wrestler makes himself, granted with plenty of help from McMahon. It was McMahon's huge push for Angle that made him a star, not the crowds chanting You Suck. I mean the guy won the world title in less then a year of being in the fed, something that's completely unheard of. And the fact is, yes, there are many many WWE fans who are damn good, love wrestling for what it is, and give standing ovations to guys like Angle and Benoit after a killer match.

But then there are the other 10,000 fans, who really have no clue about what good wrestling is. Thats why you see people cheer for guys like Cena, Batista and Lashley. If any of those guys ever came to TNA they would be booed out of the building and never allowed to return. Why? Because TNA fans are die-hard wrestling fans. They've supported that product since it started, in my eyes they are the new ECW fans.

Angle has the right to say whatever he wants, whenever he wants. We have that freedom in this country (US). And you know what, Angle is god damn right, TNA crowds are better then WWE crowds. Why? Because they have more passion and care more about the wrestlers not just as performers but as human beings. If you hand them shit they will boo your ass out of the building, but if you give them your all you'll get respect like you could only dream of from them.

 

[Kasey]

To the other poster who said TNA crowds are three times more insane that WWE crowds: Thats because for the three shows in a row you see on tv, have all been taped in a row, the same day. It's the same people for every show.
Can't wait to hear the replys......

Who said I was talking about just the TV broadcasts? Try a bulk of the PPVs they've half-assed to fruition over the last few years. Even recently, try the disjointed reactions to this year's Wrestlemania. Or even a live Raw broadcast. As for the tapings? Try three hours of programming (not even wrestling, just programming) for a Smackdown/ECW taping at a click. Raw is only two hours + a dark match or two. The audience is about as passionate as Pat Boone.

 

[ronalddeo]

You know something, if kurt wants to say something let him say, just like everyone in this forum has a point to make. We may offend some people maybe not others.We all agree to disagree. No one wants to be told what they can or cant do. Let the man be. If his got something to say let him speak. Thats all i got to say about that.

 

[Jonny B]

This thread has quickly decended into what almost every TNA thread does, a WWE vs. TNA thread. The next thread I see with someone talking it off topic talking about how the WWE is better (that isnt in the WWE vs. TNA Thread) and what not will receive a warning.

*Locks*