Not even close. Not even in the ballpark. Left to his own devices he is the guy who does absolutely moronic bullshit like investing a month of TV time and energy into building a monster heel only to have them drop to the ground crying at random.
Again, youre looking at the smaller picture. He's also the guy who bought the WWF almost 30 years ago and transformed into something inconceivably successful. He single-handedly changed the face of the wrestling world more than once. He created an empire when others failed at the first hurdle. I'm not saying that he is a genius, that's still up for debate. But he's the closest thing we've got in wrestling.
Really? So it made Chris Jericho look weak? Made Triple H look weak? Badd Ass Billy Gunn? Mick Foley? Kurt Angle? Eddie Guerrero? Really? It made Chyna into simply "a gimmick"? Really?
Briefly, it did make them look weak. Getting beaten up by a girl will do that. And yes, it made Chyna into a gimmick. Will Chyna be remembered as a female wrestler, or as a female who fought men.
Yeah, didn't think so. In actuality it gave the character depth to it, didn't harm any of them men involved and in fact also gave them depth all while being entertaining. In fact those feuds helped generate heat on the males, accentuate their comedic personalities and progress them so yeah, no dice. Having a big mean monster female fighting women or men, if done right IS a good thing.
You get no depth whatsoever. You get a gimmick wrestling a gimmick match.
You do know what heat is, right? It is.... Drumroll please.... Excited reactions from the crowd! Good, bad or split. It had people talking, it had fans INTO it. Another big mean looking "diva" that doesn't fit the mold here to destroy the talentless trash McMahon gets a boner over and wastes TV time on. That's gone now. People aren't going to just jump right back into it and get behind the character as a monster heel now. Yeah, absolutely genius work right there.
Heat is a term used to describe negative reactions. Anyway, that doesnt matter. What does matter is that people are still into it and people are still talking. This thread being a great example. The bolded part is your problem. You're jumping to conclusions. You have no idea what reactions Kharma will get next week. I dont either. But I can tell you that Ill be excited to see her.
So it is crazy to toss another McMahon idea on the heap of all his other moments of "genuis?" Now THAT is interesting.
Oh dear.
No, she's just nondimensional now. Look, I understand it is hard to grasp(not really) but you don't take a person like Kharma and turn them into a giant ballbaby.
How did you come to the conclusion that shes non-dimensional? It makes her more interesting. It gives me a reason not to fast-forward next week. Her coming out and giving a finisher to a random Diva was getting very old very fast.
I realize you likely eat up everything the WWE does as great but it isn't.
That couldnt be further from the truth. There are plenty of things to hate about WWE. Their developmental system, the way they contract their talent, the way they push green guys because they have a good look. However this simply isnt one of those times where I can fault them.
This is a 280 pound woman we're talking about here, not some 95lb coked out "model" Johnny Ace rubbed one off to in a magazine then convinced the WWE to hire. She's big, she's ugly and she is known worldwide in America, Mexico and Japan as a mean, vicious Bam Bam Bigelow(Google him) of womans wrestling. If you want to give them depth then slowly delve into the "why is she that way?" angle. Feed the speculation on why she is obsessed with THIS diva and THAT diva. Have her take a shining to another diva.
WHAT DO YOU THINK THEYVE BEEN DOING?! How much have you actually seen of her? Because if you have been watching what shes doing, shes taken a shine to Kelly Kelly. There seems to be something going on there. And by the way, Im fully aware of who Bam Bam Bigelow is, thanks.
There are MANY ways to give some depth to a monster character. Having that monster crying at random isn't one of those ways.
Oh please tell me how you give a monster character depth. Please. Because what I can see is that it sets the wheels in motion for her character to be explored further.
The word is spelled and no, no I don't.
Fine, you can pick me up on a grammatical mistake. Just be thankful that Im above pointing out all of your errors.
I need wrestling angles to give me a reason to give a damn about them. Now myself like most others that aren't WWE fanboys no longer give a damn. We don't care.
I see what you did there. You created a group of wrestling fans who you have negatively termed WWE fanboys. A group of which you are not a part of. Good. Doesnt stop you from being wrong.
We don't care. Kharma is just another crying whining female, no different than what we could watch on 50 other TV channels. Someone in WWE HQ seems to not realize we're not watching those channels but instead watching wrestling for a reason.
No she isnt. She cried. She talked to herself. But she is still a monster who could kick any Divas ass. That provides an interesting dynamic. YOu watch wrestling for a reason? So do I. I watch it to be entertained. I've got a good feeling that what ever Kharma will do on Raw next week will entertain me.
Yeah because obviously fans are sitting on the edge of their seats now waiting for Kharma to once again make her way down the aisle so she can have another Dr. Phil moment in front of the women she just spent a month beating the hell out of.
Actually, yes. I cant speak for everyone but human nature would suggest that people are excited about what is going to happen next after an unexpected event occurs. This is because people are naturally curious. Therefore, logically, there would be an increase in people sitting on the edge of their seats.
Yeah, totally awesome stuff right there. Hear that folks? It's great, we don't know if she's going to beat someone up and you know, do what wrestlers DO or if she's going to just go out to the ring to shed some tears. I mean isn't it soooo interesting?
Shedding tears? Wait, do you mean acting? Thats what wrestlers do. They act. Thats what Kharma did. She acted. And yes, it is interesting. I cant help the fact that you love a straightforward, wrestling angle where nothing of any interest happens and people stick to strict, regimented roles.
Like I said, about as interesting as Kane banging a corpse, Mae Young giving birth to a hand or that other time they decided to give "depth" to a big mean ugly monster, you remember, Snitsky wasn't it? Yeah this ranks alongside a 6'6" monster that goes around giving women foot rubs and sucking their toes as he pops a chubby. But hey, at least he wasn't one dimensional as he suddenly sucked ass.
Youre comparing this to stuff which it just cant be compared to. Katie Vick was an awful angle. Mae Young and the hand was a comedy angle. And Snitsky was awful. Ive made these judgements after seeing what happened. You dont know what is happening with Kharma so I cant see how youre so quick to complain. For all you know, this break down could be a set-up by Kharma to lull the Divas into a false sense of security. That could be where the angle is heading. You just dont know.
The number of posts and views in an internet forum isn't a way to determine the hype of someone, and what I meant by that statement was that if she disappears for 9 months, everyone's WWE life will go on without her. After a few months or so, no one will be wondering "hey, I wonder if Kharma is around" or "hey, I wonder if Kharma is going to come destroy this diva." Not too many people will care about her, until she comes back, and unless she comes back and destroys someone else, no one will care that much.
I can see where youre coming from with the forum thing. But until we see Raw next week (which she will apparently be on) that is one of the few indicators available. I dont know what youre complaint is, though. Not too many people will care about her, until she comes back. Well, yeah. When someone is off of TV for a while people start to forget about them. Its not a big deal. It actually makes it a bigger surprise when she finally comes back. The bolded part is the bit which gets me, though. You cant possibly make that claim. You want to see her destroy people. Fenris does. I dont care. A bunch of people in this thread dont care. They just want to see a good character in a good angle.
Being a strong bad ass monster character requires you to not only be dominant, but feared, and without an obvious weakness. Yeah, Kharma has changed the landscape of the divas, but only from the aspect of people wanting to see her destroy people. If she isn't destroying people, how is she going to change anything? And how is she going to destroy anyone if she is crying in the middle of the ring before anyone even does anything to her? Monsters have to strike fear in someone. Who is ever afraid of anyone who cries like that? If the bully that kept kicking your ass at school came to you and cried on the school yard, he would lose the ability to bully you, even if he can still beat you up because you know he has a weakness, and whatever that weakness is, you can exploit it. And yes, her size is monstrous, but sure was others who were never a monster character. No diva fears her anymore, and that's a huge part of being a monster.
Ill be honest with you, if I was bullied by someone and I thought that they were going to beat me up, but instead they started crying in front of me for seemingly no reason, Id be as freaked out as hell. I'd also be interested in why it was happening, which as a viewer is what you want from wrestling, right? And they wouldnt lose the ability to bully me because theyd still be freaking huge. Same applies to Kharma and the Divas.
Yes, Kharma is big, but that doesn't make her different. Look at the divas who stood out in the past, you have Chyna, who showed no emotions, dominated women, and fought men. You have Lita, and Trish Stratus, who changed the entire landscape of the divas division.
Chyna showed no emotion? She was the girlfriend of Eddie Guerrero for Gods sake! Chyna wasnt a monster. She stood out because she fought men sometimes not because she didnt show emotion. Because she did. I dont know where Lita and Trish come into this but yeah, theyre awesome.
And now, you have Kharma, a big crazy looking bitch that is destroying everything, but if she stops destroying everything and wants to "fit in" or some wack as shit like that, then she'll be exactly like Beth Phoenix, just bigger. When Beth Phoenix first came in, she was destroying divas. Now, she's a damn side thought after all the stupid ass storylines that they wrote for her, like the santino shit. Kharma, that is the future that awaits you!
Like I said though, shes never going to be a Beth Phoenix because of how she looks. Beth Phoenix is kind of hot. She may well be in a comedy angle or have an on-screen relationship like Phoenix (or like your number one dominant, monster female, Chyna). But that wont be because she cried. It will be because the WWE creative team sometimes sucks and doesnt have good ideas.
