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klunderbunker
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I really can't picture it. You have to keep a few things in mind.
WWE has been around nearly 30 years. They know what they're doing. TNA has been around longer than ECW and longer than WCW after it left the NWA. They've had their time and nothing has really come of it.
You also have to consider how much money WWE brings in. Think about it: let's go VERY conservative and say they have 5 shows a week (keep in mind they have two touring rosters) and get 5000 people a show (again conservative as PPVs usually get about 15,000 and big shows like Mania hit upwards of 60k. The Raw I went to was a legit sellout and Rupp Arena holds well over 20,000) and let's say every ticket is $20 (again WAY low). That amounts to half a million dollars a week at incredibly low numbers. This is ignoring PPV buys, any money they make from TV stations they're on, merchandise etc. That is A LOT of money. What does TNA bring in?
At the end of the day, WWE has the money, the knowledge and the leadership. Also the WWE name still means a lot. How many times do you hear of someone talking down about any wrestling and refer to it as WWE? It's the undisputed first name in wrestling and with the money it brings in, it's going to be that way for a very long time. TNA is too far behind, but stranger things have indeed happened so it's not completely out of the question. Just incredibly unlikely.
klunderbunker
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He would have bombed. Hogan was a superhero come to life. In other words, everything the NWA wasn't. As for the WWF, they would have survived. That's the only real argument I can make for Austin being more important to WWF than Hogan: without Austin they die. WIthout Hogan they live, but don't thrive.
Doubt it but maybe parts of it. And black.
Miz isn't there already? And that's hard to say. Alberto....maybe. I think it's more likely that someone will pop up and be put into the main event rather than rising to it, which is a big problem in wrestling today.
Maybe a tag title but I doubt anything higher than that. Slight chance of the US/IC.
PsychoBlack
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Who takes the best bumps ever
It's...Baylariat!
Team Finnley Baylor
Does HHH have one more good run left in him? And Lex Luger... good wrestler or bad wrestler?
klunderbunker
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Ted DiBiase could make anything look like he was a gymnast so off the top of my head I'll go with him. That's with zero thought.
Yes, he does.
Good wrestler. He ticked people off when he was a heel and got the crowd excited about him breathing as a face. His moveset was designed to get the crowd going and it worked. Good wrestler.
That's a good point. He was the superhero and NWA would either change his character or the crowd would have killed it. But the man could move back then. Hell look at his time in Japan while he was part of the AWA. That could have possibly come out had he gone to the NWA.
What city has your favorite wrestling crowd? The one city you know is going to start out white hot and keep it up if the show is good.
PsychoBlack
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Do you think that Juventud Guererra could possibly have had the success of his cruiserweight counterpart if he was used correctly in the WWE instead of being given that stupid ass Mexicools gimmick
klunderbunker
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Chicago. If you can surprise them, New York.
klunderbunker
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Hard to say. The problem is that in WWE the smaller guys were a dime a dozen. Ultimo Dragon was nothing in WWE and only Rey really meant anything. I doubt he would have been much no matter what so I'll go with no.
Thriller Ant
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Are there any guys in the indies right now that you've seen/heard of that can make it big in WWE?
klunderbunker
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Jumping from the indys to WWE isn't something that is a seamless transition. Doing well in the indys rarely translates well to WWE as the styles are so universally different. Back in Cornette's day he would practice spots and segments in front of 50 people in some no name town in Texas. His theory was if 100 people laugh at something, 10,000 people will laugh at it 100x harder. That doesn't work today as the style of WWE is so rigidly controlled that the stuff done in indy companies doesn't come out in the mainstream.
Of the indy guys that could have potential though, probably Claudio Castagnoli as he has the size and look to be a European Alberto Del Rio or something like that. It's hard to say though, especially with indy guys being very hit or miss. For every Joe and Punk there are Colt Cabanas and Atlas DaBones (Ricky Ortiz).
PsychoBlack
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favorite Dean Malenko match
klunderbunker
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Serious match: vs. Rey, Halloween Havoc 96.
Unserious: US Title vs. David Flair at BATB 99. Torrie's boobs are incredible looking.
Stormtrooper
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Could the invasion have worked with the talent WWE had available?
klunderbunker
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No. Not with Vince writing it. That angle was about the McMahons, not WCW vs. WWF.
Stormtrooper
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I agree about that, but what I was saying was that could it have worked with the talent available (no WCW guys that didn't immediately come over, no injured WWE guys) if it was written differently? I honestly feel that they did all they could (sans the whole McMahon thing) with it, since they didn't really get any established main eventers from WCW, and there is little logic in even allowing the other show to appear).
PsychoBlack
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favorite juventud match
favorite konnan match
favorite konnan match
klunderbunker
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Maybe, but the problem came down to WCW being treated as second class. Let's take a look at the Survivor Series match.
Team WWF:
Undertaker
Kane
Big Show
Chris Jericho
The Rock
Team Alliance:
Shane McMahon (WWF guy)
Steve Austin (WWF guy)
Kurt Angle (WWF guy)
Booker T
Rob Van Dam
The problem was that with all these midcard guys and just a handful of main eventers, there was no way they could mount a credible threat. Also there was one night in Tacoma where on Raw we had a WCW match with a WCW ring and WCW announcers. It BOMBED. Most of the fans left and the rest booed the thing to death. That's why WWF canceled the whole second company concept. It didn't go well at all.
klunderbunker
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Juventud - Pinata on a pole just for how completely stupid it was.
Konnan - US Title vs. Flair which was on a PPV in summer of 96. Great American Bash maybe?
PsychoBlack
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favorite hennig
favorite hhh
favorite benoit
favorite dr. death
favorite hhh
favorite benoit
favorite dr. death
klunderbunker
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Bret - Summerslam 91
Cactus - Rumble 2000
Angle - Rumble 03
with Kevin Sullivan vs. Fantastics - Starrcade 88
Stormtrooper
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That's what I've thought. the top guy WWE got was Booker T, an upper midcarder, hence why Austin turned Alliance. WCW was treated like 2nd class citizens because they WERE second class citizens.
Could anyone in their right mind expect that match to succeed?
1. Buff Bagwell was in the match (his lone WWE appearance). Did Buff Bagwell ever main event a WCW show even? And I can't tell you who his opponent was.
2. The main event match was a match with (kayfabe) was 2 midcard guys from another show that who knows if you ever see them again.
3. How long did it take to set up the match (bring in ref, ring announcer, commentary team, change the ring apron)? Would you stick around 5 minutes to wait for a midcard 1-off with guys that have no impact on storylines?
If they gave WCW a full hour, and let people know that there will be more where it came from, it might have succeeded (at least been as successful as WWECW).
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Another PG-era question. Do you think WWE can actually go back on it's PG rating? What I mean by that is can they actually go back to an adult audience, after working so hard to be more (and totally) family friendly? It seems to me like Vince and Linda have really made a point of having a family-oriented product, due to a number of issues (Benoit situation, steroids, wrestlers frequently dying, etc.). Going back to more adult programming could take that reputation they've attempted to build, and flush it right down the shitter. Thoughts?