Kane...What happened?

[Rug3r]

^^ I think that happened to my thread. This mods don't have the option to merge topics? I'll just c/p my post in here then. But yeah, the only monster the WWE has right now is Umaga and he's not really that good of a monster. I think there's someone else besides Kane but I can't think of any others right now.

I've been told to throw in a few commas and periods for the following but, to the best of my knowledge, these paragraphs have been correctly punctuated from the get go. I will make a smaller version of the following for those who don't like large paragraphs.

Why is everyone complaining about it? I admit, I got fooled into thinking that Kane was talking about Paul Bearer, especially with Paul Bearer pulling that "I'm not going to answer this question but because of that it's extremely obvious that it's me" bullshit. But now, with the mask ordeal, everyone is being like a buzz killer or some shit saying "What everyone wants isn't going to happen, I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad news"... saying that he isn't going to revert back to his mask gimmick which was bad ass. People say that there is no point because it was to cover up the burns... okay, so fucking what... I'm not going to blow a load because he's finally wearing his mask again, it's the way he acted with the mask and when he took it off he went soft. Kane has been snapping like an audience member in a poetry club... then all of a sudden he has this bag with him. What do you think is in the bag? Marbles? It's his fucking mask. I just watched a video on youtube where Y2J spilled coffee on a masked Kane and said "I hope that didn't burn you"... and Kane fucking snapped and flipped over a table. That sounds alot like what Kane has been acting like recently. I wouldn't be surprised is something happened at the GAB and Kane burned himself alive. I'd have to say though that if I wasn't on WZ I would have never thought of this shit.

I take what I said about the mask being in the bag back too. I don't see why he would carry his mask around in a bag... so the only change in his attire will be that he wears a mask now? If not then the whole outfit should be in the bag. That means he can't burn himself alive on accident then either because that would be a big ass coincidence. That's like me all of a sudden start carrying garlic around and then I get attacked by a vampire. Or one day I decide to bring an oxygen tank with me to wal mart and somehow I get locked in the bathroom and there are no vents or anything... luckily I have my oxygen tank. You get the idea that would be a crazy ass coincidence. I guess we'll see how this plays out next monday because I started typing, thinking I had this shit figured out but came to the realization that this doesn't add up.

TL;DR-

Stop complaining about it, just take it how it is. I think he has the mask in the bag, but it doesn't make sense... why would you have a mask in a bag? Either wear it or leave it in the locker room.

 

[kabby420]

i didn't read all the posts to this so i'm just gunna say it....IT'S PAUL BEARER!!!!! is he alive or dead? man what the hell did taker do to him like 4 years ago? he got buried in cement...by Taker!!!!!!! and then he was never heard from again... no updates.... no nothing!!!!! Paul Bearer is going to come back and so is Taker, Paul Bearer is goin to have is usual manipulative control over Kane... and Kane is going to want to kill taker for what he did to Bearer. It's pretty obvious in my mind.... that's a killer storyline that would shock everyone... Vince can be a serious genius at times... sometimes he's a serious crackhead.... but that's another story all together.

And just to add a little comment i bet you Kane's mystery bag is his mask!!!! Symbolizing Bearer's control over him.
If i connected all the dots right... that's what is going to happen

and the reason for him bringing back the mask all of a sudden is because he looks badass in it.
just imagine Old Skool Kane vs. Taker... that's a serious storyline right there!

 

[wrestlingcrazy]

I'd say its Paul Bearer because think about it $ years ago at the GReat American Bash the Undertaker supposively killed him so Paul Bearer could come back at The Great AMerican Bash

 

[Joaquim Akaem]

No no. Just no.
It is not Paul Bearer, He is pretty much done with WWE, he sucked and wasn't over and thats WHY he got crushed at Great American Bash one time, to get him off T.V.

I know a lot of people are talking about him, and even on his website he is leaving cryptic messages. But answer me this question. How many people do you think have visited Paul Bearers website before Kane snapped? How many times has the name, Paul Bearer come up in conversation on this or any forum in the last 4 years?
The guy is not trying to keep a secret from us, he is trying to build hype for himself, Its business. He's been out of WWE for a long time now, and this is a chance for him to try cash in a little bit. Personally I wouldn't blame him. I'd associate myself with someone more popular, in order to get some credibility or some cash. I've done it.

Now the whole mask idea i think is stupid aswell, but I can see it being something WWE would try, because they're running out of ideas for Kane that they'll try anything once.
I'm not sure how many viewers would be fooled into thinking that his mask has special powers, but I for one am not excited about the prospect.

Kane is starting to carry around a strange looking bag which, certainly is a peculiar thing to do. Correct me if I'm wrong, but i believe the Boogeyman had a bag exactly like that, and he put worms inside it.

The Boogeyman indeed, It got me thinking, This freakish character is someone who WWE insisted on pushing, before he went missing, He wears a heart on his necklace, which could be his own heart, thus making some wonder if he is an actual living person. Boogeyman could be described as a monster, and if he is due to return to the ring shortly, Kane would be his ideal opponent. Kane is the one who enjoys to put people over, after all. I would love it, if the mystery surrounding Kanes storyline has something to to with this guy.

 

[Razz]

A couple of new ideas I think this could be that might not be mentioned. It could be that Kane is talking about someone that did not die in the fire that killed his family. If you remember the story, Kane and UT survived a fire that killed his family. What if someone in his family survived, maybe his father or another unknown relative and Kane has found out. This way they could be debuting a new wrestler/manager. All that weird stuff happening on recent RAW even the Mcmahon accident might be related to the new wrestler. Maybe he is also going to get UT reinstated somehow and UT is involved with the new wrestler/manager. This is certainly a stretch and it would be a huge push for someone new hehe...

 

[Sparky]

No no. Just no.
It is not Paul Bearer, He is pretty much done with WWE,

how do you know? he might of been brought back, its possible that maybe this time the wwehas managed to keep a return secret.

he sucked and wasn't over and thats WHY he got crushed at Great American Bash one time, to get him off T.V.

It COULD of been becouse it was a good way to retire also putting people over at the same time.

Now the whole mask idea i think is stupid aswell, but I can see it being something WWE would try, because they're running out of ideas for Kane that they'll try anything once.
I'm not sure how many viewers would be fooled into thinking that his mask has special powers, but I for one am not excited about the prospect.

Thank you finally, somebody see's the light, its not the mask its A mask. this mask is not going to make him go back to his old ways it doesnt make sense and its not possible. Once a jobber always a jobber, it aint once an unstoppable monster always an unstoppable monster.

Kane is starting to carry around a strange looking bag which, certainly is a peculiar thing to do. Correct me if I'm wrong, but i believe the Boogeyman had a bag exactly like that, and he put worms inside it.

Personally it could be ANYTHING in that bag, he might of evan decided to brown bag his lunch that day. i think if he was to change gimmick he needs a new version, remember the kane, RVD days? he wasnt excacly a monster then and he had the mask.

The Boogeyman indeed, It got me thinking, This freakish character is someone who WWE insisted on pushing, before he went missing, He wears a heart on his necklace, which could be his own heart, thus making some wonder if he is an actual living person. Boogeyman could be described as a monster, and if he is due to return to the ring shortly, Kane would be his ideal opponent. Kane is the one who enjoys to put people over, after all. I would love it, if the mystery surrounding Kanes storyline has something to to with this guy.

I dont like that idea, Boogeyman vs Kane? if your going to have monsters youl want them facing heels and faces not each other. and a win over the boogeyman wouldnt really do anything for Kane. neither would it for the boogeyman the otherway around.

 

[TheTruNoLimit]

I don't think the mask would be used to cover his face. The intrigue of the mask was that you didn't know what Kane looked like and that mystery has been passed.

I think an interesting idea with the mask could kind of turn Kane into a Jekkyl/Hyde type character.

Kane can wrestle with his own self and kind of don multiple personalities. Kane can wear the mask, even though we all know what he looks like, to become a dominant monster. Want a reason why?

How about this. Kane feels he isn't responsible for his actions while wearing the mask. The mask brings out the monster in Kane and when he's wearing it it's acceptable for him to be ruthless. It's acceptable to cause pain, etc. When he has the mask off, he won't be as violent because there's nothing protecting him from the truth of the monster he is so he tries to control it.

Granted, just an idea, but could be interesting.

Personally, I like him without the mask now. I think the Psychotic Kane that there was when he first unmasked was a good character, all the way through his wedding with Lita and everything. He was disturbed. They should just bring that back. They don't necessarily have to turn him into the unstoppable monster again, just turn him psychotic and very violent again. Back then he'd set Jim Ross on fire, take people out left and right, bury his brother alive, force a woman into carrying his child, crush HBK's throat just because he gets angry. That is truly someone to be scared of. He was a monster in a much more human way.

 

[rony31]

Anyone remember the horrible "imposter Kane" angle? Seems like this may be a more subtle version of that, where Kane's old self is haunting him. Except this time it's not some big guy wearing a horrible wig, it's in Kane's head eating away at him. Much more creative to do it this way, but couldn't help but notice the similarities between the two angles (that is of course, if that is where this is all leading).

 

[phat_inallthegoodplaces]

you mean festus in kane's old costume? i thought he did a good job... lol.

anyway, after aggresively ruining batista/punk's match, i think the predictions for a monster kane comeback are coming to life. i'm fine with that, because there needs to be something on raw worth watching...

 

[streicher187]

I have been thinking about it and believe Kane is talking about vince mcmahon. I think he had something to do with the stage but don't think it was him alone but someone pulling the strings and sending him off the deep end.

The most obvious person is Chris Jericho got in his head and is pulling the strings of Kane but it would be cool if they brought someone else back to do it

Eric Bishoff (wanted vince out of the way)
Paul Bearer

or long shots
Jake the Snake
Raven

If Jericho is forming a stable what a better "enforcer" to have then a monster kane that he can control..

 

[falcons53]

Just wondering, but where are you getting Jake the Snake and Raven from? Those names are pretty far out there. I really don't think it can be anything other than his mask at this point.

 

[Jappa121]

Its definitely looking like its going to be his mask, or a new mask in his bag.. I think he is either going to put it on because it will make him more powerful, or hes going to be lit on fire, by himself or an accident, and then put it on.

I hope he is talking about James Mitchell, that would be the most amazing thing to happen in wrestling, It would be like a awesome dream with insane dialogue delivered by two psychos with strange hair styles

 

[mrtuddy]

Some people sound really stupid when they post on these message boards.

I wish you guys would read what you're posting, and add some credibility to it -- back it up. Don't back it up with "because I think it would be cool." or something like that. Give what you believe is evidence as to why you think it could be what you're saying.

Hopefully that made sense.

 

[streicher187]

I just said it would make for a great storyline. This is the WWE and we know they don't believe in good story lines just the same ones over and over again. How many guys can be "hit" by cars, "Fired" then brought back.

Knowing the wwe it's kanes mask and they really won't have ANY story for it. If I had to guess it would be Jericho controlling Kane like he is trying to do other stars. That's all anyone is doing right now GUESSING as I don't even think Vince Mcmahon knows where it's going.. Maybe it's M. Youngs hand she gave birth to with Henry that was a well thought out storyline..

So mrtuddy maybe we like to think the WWE has some imagination forgive us for thinking it's entertainment, I didn't realize it was a detective show and we had to take it so serious sorry for being STUPID and not taking wrestling all that serious..

 

[orton_is_god]

I'd like to take the opportunity to shameless plug what i believe is in the bag kane now carries around with him and its clearly the new John Morrison Beyond Good and Evil T-Shirt available exclusively on WWESHOP.com and his wearing of the shirt will lead to morrison and kane teaming up and morrison using kane to get the WHC off CM Punk bc punk took the ECW title from morrison.and Morrison wants revenge.HAHAHA funny right...i know but could you possibly see WWE doing this even a little ok maybe TNA or WCW...LMAO

Naitch for Raw GM WOOOOO

 

[Miko]

I cant have been the only one to notice but Kane has recently started to re-use old traits, when Batista speared him the other week Kane just simply got back up, then got smashed with a chair straight afterwards rolled out of the ring and simply walked off.

Then this week he strolled down to the ring, had no trouble kicking Batista's arse until Punk made the save and clotheslined him out of the ring, where he simply landed on his feet and walked off, its been years since he's done that.

When The Undertaker returned at WM XX the best way to describe him would be as a sort of hybrid between Ministry Taker and Biker Taker, maybe Kanes in line for something similar (masked Kane crossed with phsycho Kane)

 

[tap-out]

Does anybody else think that this wholething is being drawn out a little bit too long now. I know it has only been a couple of weeks but it just seems like the nextphase of the story needs to be played out instead of the same thing the last couple of weeks and ppv.

I still think that his mask is in his bag, but hope they don't end it there. Hopefully that is just part of a much bigger storyline...like Kane and Vince making a new ministy to run things.

 

[falcons53]

I was just thinking about that. They really need to get into the next phase because its already starting to become boring in my opinion. The more I think about it the more I don't think they are actually going to put the mask back on kane full time. I think it will be some sort of skitzo kane with him "taking orders" from his mask.

 

[Taker316]

I disagree with the *they have to take the next step* thing, BUT i WISH they'd take the next step! But really the whole storyline is doin the job! I know I for one am really only watchin RAW to see wtf is gonna happen wit Kane next! lol And i admit last night was kinda disapointing, but then again does the trick as it makes u wanna tune in next week to know wtf's gonna happen!

And to someone above, yeah i noticed that too! He got up like he got hit by a fly, landed on his feet clotheslined otta the ring. Good ol days perhaps?

 

[cyborg2040]

If anyone else recorded RAW last night then wait until the segment with kane walking backstage and pause it. If you watch the bag frame by frame you can see the outline of the mask. You can even see the nose pushing out on the bag just a few inches from the bottom of the bag (chin area). I have no doubt that the mask is in the bag now, and the original full mask at that.

If you can watch that segment frame for frame you will see what I'm talking about, the bag conforms to the shape of the mask as he swings the bag around walking.

 

[starryangel05]

I think it might be his former masked gimmick. It kinda makes sense to me because we haven't seen Kane with the mask on in a good long time. So maybe he's carrying his mask around in that bag of his and he'll be his masked self as a heel. I really don't know, that's my best guess.

 

[Agrex]

I think this is a pretty good move for the WWE. They are finally giving Kane something to do, and in the meanwhile getting him over as a monster heel. RAW is currently lacking a monster heel, as Umaga was drafted to Smackdown, hopefully Kane can fill the gap. I can only hope that the mask is not in the bag. It would make no sense for Kane to wear the mask again. He's past that stage in his career, and in my opinion it would be a step back. I don't know what is in his bag, but hopefully it's not his mask.

 

[fishy]

I would love it to be Paul Bearer, and i think thats where the problem lies. I dont think of he was brought back he could brought in as a ehll. He would get to much of a pop from the crowd. IE Ted Diabse was a major heel, he makes the odd comeback and bang he a face. Thats the problem with bringing back legends, they will always go over with the fans.

I think vince is a whole other storyline, they are just leading fans up the garden path.

No way is it Undertaker, not now we know of the hell in a cell.

I like the idea of modern day v evil kane. That wold make alot of sence, but alot of me is thinking they just played on those words to show a psycho path.

So in conclusion I have no idea, but its doing the job it needs, its what the world is watching (if anyone remembers that being an old WWF tag line) But everyone is tlaking about it and keeping interested in the product, which is what they desperaetly need!

 

[Straight_Edge_Mystic]

I like the idea of the mask, and Paul Bearer returning as well. In fact, I hope it is both, I loved both. Masked Kane was totally BA and could demolish Batista anyday and Paul as his mouthpiece was gold as is really anything with Paul. He's such a great talker. My question is, let's say it's the mask, how and why does he put it back on. Does he realize Unmasked Kane is merely an insane man and not a psychopathic monster and that's why he loses so much? Or does Paul Bearer coerce him into it somehow? I'll take the latter, that way you kill two birds with one stone. Bring back an awesome manager and make Kane a BA monster again.

 

[holmeslaw666]

WWE hasn't utilized managers half as much as they need to. It's nice to see Ranjin Singh back, now let's get Paul Bearer in there and use Matt Striker in his strongest role... a heel manager, and we'll be well on our way to the classic days again.