Kane...What happened?

[Straight_Edge_Mystic]

While I don't think the angle is great, or has any semblance of greatness involved with it, I did like Kane's promo on Raw. It was descriptive and detailed and frankly, I agree with Kane. But why doesn't he like Rey, it can't be just because he's annoying, there's gotta be a better reason and I think it has to do with Rey getting away with wearing a mask and Kane didn't. Kane was forced to remove his mask when he didn't want to and no one cares about Rey wearing a mask. Simply put, Kane's jealous and so he took it into his own hands to see to it that Rey doesn't get away with wearing his mask. It may be foolish, but it's a better reason that just simply not liking Rey for no real reason at all.

 

[Skullz Crack'Em]

I was very interested in Kane's big storyline, but after it was revealed that Rey Mysterio is who he was referring to as "Dead or Alive", my hope for this storyline went down the toilet. I am not a fan of Mysterio because his feuds all play out the same each time, where he is the little underdog fighting against a bigger evil, and overcomes it in the end. Rey will more than likely return at Unforgiven to ruin Kane's chances at winning the World title and their feud goes on from there, probably leading up to a Survivor Series match that will probably be an Inferno match. It seems like this storyline was just a way to get the fans to turn against Kane since he was still getting huge pops when he was suppose to turn heel two months ago. I still think that the original plan for this storyline was to have Kane's mask in the bag instead of Rey's, but they changed it in order to successfully turn him heel.

 

[TheOneBigWill]

Kane going masked would have been so much better then this rey fued he looked so demonic and added to the Fear that the brothers of destruction caused.

You need to quit living in the past though. I agree with you that Kane, with a mask, was amazing and very intimidating, but those days are obviously and very apparently gone. Everyone was under the impression wildly that the bag contained Kane's mask, as well as a possible reunion with Paul Bearer.

W.W.E. did an amazing job by swerving everyone when he pulled out Mysterio's mask. The fact is, Kane isn't any different now then he was before. He's only different because the fans refuse to believe he's the same guy, when sadly.. he is.

The mask is what held the mystique for the fans, and without it they have abandoned and left Kane for dead.. like his storyline Brother did all those years ago. You want to quickly give up on the gimmick, all because it's missing one mask. When the fact is, he's returning very much so to the demonic gimmick he began with.

Listen to his new music, it's similar to his old, with a bit of his new. Look at his new features. Sure he's still some weird guy that can't for the life of him figure out how to get a proper hair cut.. but he's torturing midgets, and if that doesn't strike fear in the heart's of wrestling fans.. I don't know what will.

All Kane needs to do right now, is continue down this path without stopping and giving up, like he has before. (remember when he unmasked? They tried making him demonic, and the character just.. gave up) A feud with Mysterio could be exactly what he needs as well. Why? Because what is one of Kane's best feuds, outside of with the Undertaker.. The one he had with Sean Waltman. (X-Pac)

I think Mysterio against Kane could resemble that, and if it does, even in the slightest.. especially with Kane being destructive.. then it'll be great.

 

[slimmshady]

Some people are saying that kane is jealous of mysterio getting away with his mask. But if this was true wouldn't kane have "tortured" mysterio years ago. I mean come on, that is kind of a lame excuse. Its be 5 long years since kane got unmasked and during last year, when kane was on smackdown, he teamed up with mysterio so many times. So I think that wwe originally were going to go with kane's mask in the bag but because the crowd still cheered him, they decided to put mysterio's mask in the bag just so that the crowd would turn on kane. That's kinda lame as well, they would rather drag this new storyline instead of going with the original one. But maybe I could be wrong, maybe wwe purposely did this to add drama to the story.

 

[HBK-aholic]

I don't think Kanes mask was ever in the bag, or booked to be that way. Masked Kane was my by far my favourite Kane. However that gimmick is long gone, and you have to realise now it is never coming back. For a start, it's completely unbelievable now. He had the mask as a result of burns from the fire. What would the excuse be for bringing it back? That gimmick has been damaged irrepairably, it will never return. Whether you think it's a good thing or a bad thing, you know it is the truth.

 

[The Mark of Zur-En-Arrh]

Agree with arsens09, the music change will help, his music before this new theme was too reminisicent off when he returned as a face, beat up the anti-americans and then did a spinaroonie.

Kane is universally popular, so it will be a job turning him monster heel again. The last time he really got any heat was Takers return. What he needs next is a televised squash of a popular face. Send him smackdown for a day and let him smash HHH, no one seems to care if he beats up Batista lol.

What pisses me off the most is that i don't think Kane has EVER beaten Batista one on one. Suddenly in segments, Kane hits a chokeslam and suddenly 'shit, i don't think Batista will be able to compete in his match later on!'

But i also agree, people like watching Kane beat on the Animal. What do they need to do to make people hate Kane? MORE TALKING!!!! 4 years ago, Kane came out week after week for months saying 'I killed the Undertaker. I buried him ALIVE!!!!' and got tremendous heat. Y2J is doing the same now and he's getting uber heat. 'I forced HBK to retire. Suck on it! Don't call me Y2J anymore' That's all he needed to do. Since punching Rebecca, he's transcended into that white heat. The same heat that Shane Douglas used to get after carrying on the angle where he broke Gary Wolfe's neck.

Creative seems to think, 'people will hate Kane because he beats the crap out of the other guy (because they can't seem to decide whether he fights faces or heels atm). Hel-lo, we tune in each week, or pay £20 every month to watch guys beat the hell out of each other, why would i hate a guy for doing what he's paid to do?

People hate Edge because he cuts corners, betrays allies and plays the numbers game repeatedly. People used to hate Orton, because he set out to specifically humiliate and degrade the guys that everyone loved and respected. They were both grade A assholes. Kane beats people up in a 'sport' where the object is, to beat people up. That's why he gets no heat imo

 

[slimmshady]

If you want to know the best way for kane to almost guarantee to gain heat is the next time Mark Calaway becomes injured or decides he needs a break from wrestling, use kane as the man to take out the undertaker to give him the rest or recovery time he requires. And I mean kane really needs to take the undertaker out. But the problem is at the moment kane doesn't have a legitimate reason to attack the undertaker. But because the crowd love taker so much, they are almost guranteed to turn on kane. But I could be wrong and they might cheer as they would want a feud between the two kayfabe brothers.

 

[Big Sexy]

The whole Kane attacking the Undertaker storyline has been done like 50 times, and I really don't want to see it again. Besides that Kane already has a ton of heat. Taking out a big face like Rey Mysterio and also attacking one of the most popular wrestlers in Batista has given him a ton of heat so I don't think he needs to do anything else as of right now.

 

[steven87gill]

Personally, I feel this is a swerve, and the pay off will still involve Kane's mask.

I think this is just a clever swerve to sweeten the payoff, i mean if he had revealed his mask, then it would've been way too obvious, almost everyone was expecting it, right? WWE don't want to jump the gun on a storyline as big as this, they'll want to draw it out as much as they possibly can to make the final payoff all the more satisfying.

 

[DecayNYFX]

I think this is just a clever swerve to sweeten the payoff, i mean if he had revealed his mask, then it would've been way too obvious, almost everyone was expecting it, right? WWE don't want to jump the gun on a storyline as big as this, they'll want to draw it out as much as they possibly can to make the final payoff all the more satisfying.

We can only hope.

I still think the new Jason movie would be something that they'd be glad to cash in on considering they're working a story involving Kane (who, coincidentally, would look pretty damn cool in a hockey mask), so why NOT give him the mask back?

 

[Richard]

If Kane were to start wearing his old mask, I don't think it would work.

Kane is bald, when he would wear the mask, I don't think it would look right because he had hair with it before. We already know what Kane looks like, so why bother covering his face up?

If anything, the mask could be used as something that could possibly be giving Kane orders? I don't know, but I just don't see Kane physically wearing his old mask again, unless it wasn't a permanent thing and he would only wear it when in the mood to wear it, or when he is in a psychotic mood.

 

[Tryptic]

kane said in the interview with the burlap bag that rey had been "scard" kane has also been scard....by fire. with smackdown vs raw commin out by the end of the yr, i belive that the re-introduction of the Inferno mtach on the game will fit in nicely with the kane rey angle....maybe a mask twist in there. although rey had said in an interveiw, back when he first took off his mask in wcw that he didnt want to do it and that he hated the idea, so no unmasked rey. and kane has said in an interveiw that he hated his mask, so no RE-masked kane.

im pullin for the inferno match anyway

 

[D.Miller]

I think WWE tested the waters with this storyline of attempting to resurrect the ancient heel Kane back in his mask only to hear the crowd reception Kane was receiving was positive, when in fact, they were looking for a more negative reaction. Thus, they swerved it into some stupidness by having Kane refer to the mask inside a bag he was obviously carrying for weeks, was not his, but Rey Mysterio's which I think can only explain that the writers decided to just kill the plan to bring that Kane back, and that did piss me off a lot because I don't think one bit that this angle makes any sense and god be my witness if this paysoff with more sheer stupidness I'm gonna be even more upset.

I mean, what personal issues within storyline could Kane possibly have with Mysterio that would provoke Kane to destroy him? The only thing perhaps that comes to mind is that Mysterio reminds Kane of his former shadow who used to wear the mask hiding his face from the recognition of the world and maybe he desires to re-mask since he didn't have to worry what other people thought of him. I'm just guessing here.

Now, apparently, Kane has physically destroyed Rey Mysterio and things seem to be building up to a Mysterio return down the line while Kane is elevated. But something tells me this whole plot outline will produce nothing useful. They're conspicuously attempting to render Kane a sadistic monster again, they started already by changing his music to a more Mankind-Kane remix. But I don't know. I don't know where this is really going. It's sort of suspenseful but at the same time predictable to produce nothing helpful or really special. WWE screws shit up just as TNA does. I guess we watch, and we will see!

 

[klunderbunker]

After the last few weeks, I'm still as split on this angle as I've ever been. I sort of get what they're wanting to do with it, but I'm still skeptical about it. We got a semi explanation from Kane, and at least we know Rey hasn't been "killed", but it still leaves me wondering where are they taking this thing? Obviously it'll be Rey vs. Kane, but will it end there? Will Kane be going after all of the faces now? It should be very interesting to say the least. Kane is at his best when he's the crazy man, so this could be the right thing for him.

 

[AnthonyMango/NoFate007]

I have absolutely zero interest in this angle anymore. What's really a shame is that I was REALLY interested in it before they had their "supposed to excite you" reveal that its Mysterio's mask. More importantly, it didn't reveal a potential feud...it revealed that WWE had no idea what they were doing and were just playing it by ear until they decided "fuck it, Mysterio has nothing to do, let's just have the two feud".

Mysterio vs Kane = Kane destroys him a few times. Mysterio then makes Kane lose with weak looking 619s and a West Coast Pop from a guy that weighs about as much as a paper airplane and can no longer fly as far.

What I don't understand is how they didn't see what could make much, much more sense and accomplish more....think about this: Kane puts on the mask that we love. Fans get more involved. He starts a feud with Batista after how he kept interrupting his matches with Punk. Kane suddenly becomes a legitimate threat to the title (because you don't book it that Batista just destroys him) and you also have Batista in a program with someone where the fans can be interested, as opposed to having no storyline right now. Meanwhile, when Mysterio comes back, he either feuds with Burchill or Cade...two guys who have NOTHING to do right now. DUHHH. For fuck's sake, WWE Creative, a blind monkey could see that that makes for better TV than Kane vs Mysterio, Batista vs nobody, Burchill vs nobody, and Cade vs nobody. You're really doing your job, getting Cade over as an upper midcard talent when you have him wrestle ONE MATCH against Paul London ever since he broke up with Murdoch. Putting him in a feud with Mysterio would help him out much more than continuing to stand next to Jericho and....exactly...that's all he does is stand.

 

[wwefan49]

I have absolutely zero interest in this angle anymore. What's really a shame is that I was REALLY interested in it before they had their "supposed to excite you" reveal that its Mysterio's mask. More importantly, it didn't reveal a potential feud...it revealed that WWE had no idea what they were doing and were just playing it by ear until they decided "fuck it, Mysterio has nothing to do, let's just have the two feud".

Mysterio vs Kane = Kane destroys him a few times. Mysterio then makes Kane lose with weak looking 619s and a West Coast Pop from a guy that weighs about as much as a paper airplane and can no longer fly as far.

What I don't understand is how they didn't see what could make much, much more sense and accomplish more....think about this: Kane puts on the mask that we love. Fans get more involved. He starts a feud with Batista after how he kept interrupting his matches with Punk. Kane suddenly becomes a legitimate threat to the title (because you don't book it that Batista just destroys him) and you also have Batista in a program with someone where the fans can be interested, as opposed to having no storyline right now. Meanwhile, when Mysterio comes back, he either feuds with Burchill or Cade...two guys who have NOTHING to do right now. DUHHH. For fuck's sake, WWE Creative, a blind monkey could see that that makes for better TV than Kane vs Mysterio, Batista vs nobody, Burchill vs nobody, and Cade vs nobody. You're really doing your job, getting Cade over as an upper midcard talent when you have him wrestle ONE MATCH against Paul London ever since he broke up with Murdoch. Putting him in a feud with Mysterio would help him out much more than continuing to stand next to Jericho and....exactly...that's all he does is stand.

I love everything you said except one thing. Since when does the mask make the monster?? kane is a deranged psycho sick fuck. He said Mysterio is scarred beyond human recognition. That's not deranged but teaming with RVD and talking perfectly well in a normal mans voice is deranged. Which Kane set JR on fire?? Not the masked one. Which Kane buried his big brother The Undertaker alive? Not the masked one. So why does Kane need a mask? Now the idea of Rey vs Cade is great. I really like Cade and would love that feud. I expect Cade to feud with HBK soon though with a win over the Showstopper anywhere between NO Mercy and Backlash next year. If not he'll move to Smackdown or ECW in the draft next year and make a splash on one of those programs.

 

[slimmshady]

The reason why kane needs his mask back is for his dignity and his pride. One of the reasons why undertaker changed from his american badass gimmick back to the deadman gimmick was because he knew that he only had a few years left with the business so he wanted to leave the same way as he walked in, as the phenom/dead man whatever you want to call him. So instead of kane leaving the wwe with the current unmasked gimmick, it would be best for him to leave in pride with the same gimmick that he walked into the wwe with and that was with a mask on. Personally I don't really what the excuse would be for kane wearing the mask on but all I want to see is the original kane. Not the "phyco" kane or the "sidistic" kane but the first gimmick that kane was brought into the wwe with. But the current situation, with mysterio is not helping anyone. We don't know whether wwe will decide to revive the masked kane or stay with the current one. The story is basically going no-where and most of us have already predicted the outcome of this feud (if there is one and there probably will be one).

 

[lilteapot]

I don't understand this storyline at all. What does rey mysterio have anything to do with kane? WWE better know what they're doing...I personally have no idea what they can do with this.

 

[Ad!]

I think this is just a clever swerve to sweeten the payoff, i mean if he had revealed his mask, then it would've been way too obvious, almost everyone was expecting it, right? WWE don't want to jump the gun on a storyline as big as this, they'll want to draw it out as much as they possibly can to make the final payoff all the more satisfying.

Kane mentioned that Mysterio 'hides behind a mask', this could end in some sort of Mask vs Mask match up? Although I'm not too sure how that would work... Or Mysterio beats Kane and Kane reverts to his mask.

I really hope that the mask returns as the payoff to this feud. Just to make it feel a bit nostalgic and give him more status on RAW.

Hmmm. If tonight doesn't give interest to the feud. I feel it will just be lost. Like how the writers seem to bottle all the big storylines: McMahon's son etc.

 

[My$terio_Fan]

Man has creative destroyed any chance of Kane becoming a monster heel again. It probably wouldn't work anymore, anyways since Kane isn;t scary anymore but now they have just made him a glorrified jobber to the stars. He is made to look weak, which goes against the crazy kane, wouldn't you think? He tried to destroy Batista tonight but in the end Batista beat him up. And now the mask angle has ended or been changed. First Mysterio was severley beaten and tourtered but now he's back already and competing in the scramble. Hopefull they explore this angle more by either having Mysterio coming back as a brainwashed heel(by kane) or at least have him come back wanting "revenge" agaisnt Kane. The WWE seems to have dropped the ball but its not completley over yet so who knows.

 

[MasterDebator]

Well apparently Rey Mysterio is fine and dandy because he was just entered into the Scramble at Unforgiven. God, has this Kane angle been putrid or what? Creative totally dropped the fucking ball on this one. They didn't just drop it. They shit on it and then set it on fire and hurled it off of a cliff. Jesus.

After all of the nonsense with the burlap sack and the alive or dead speculation, the person who all of this was meant for, Rey Mysterio, is just going to be entered into a match. Now Rey will probably come out next week and cut a promo on how Kane "tortured" him and he somehow escaped in time to show his face to Mike Adamle so that he could enter the scramble match. Wow. Who is dying to see this horseshit next week.

Terrible job by creative. They could've atleast ran something into next week where Rey escaped last night somehow and then got involved in the Kane/Batista match and THEN you place in the scramble next week. But no. Rushed as always.

 

[wwefan49]

Instead of having Batista get the advantage onKane after Kane was destroying Batista's leg with the chair. Rey should have made his return and distracted Kane long enough for Batista to save Rey and allow them to egt away from the monster. It would have built up kane's monster character. Added to the Kane/Rey feud they are building and also tied in with Batista/Rey friendship. But instead Batista stops Kane and stops 3 storys from progressing. Hopefully at Unforgiven Batista will sacrifice his title hopes to save Rey from Kane building that feud up even more.Then Punk can Pin JBL and end this shit already. Kane story is good. Punk/JBL is getting old. If Rey comes back as a brainwashed demon I will be pissed. Maybe he can brainwash Hornswoggle too and make an arm,y of evil midget wrestlers.

 

[TimAH]

that match last night sure made kane look weak and bastista look superhuman. First off Kane cant get any offense without attacking an already injuried knee. Then he lands three chair shots on bastista who proceeds to still get up and return the favor. So this monster Kane cant even take advantage of a preinjured knee and a chair to get the upperhand in a confrontation. I am so sick of guys like bastista built up to look like they can overcome all odds while a guy like kane is made to look like an incompetent wrestler.

 

[A-Lusion]

Kane looked weak as hell in his match with Batista last night. What is the point in Kane working on Batista's knee for about 15 minutes just for Batista to come back with a spear, a spinebuster and chair shot's, it was stupid beyond belief. Creative obviouslly has know idea what to do with Kane's current storyline. It's as if they know what we're all predicting and they want to prove us wrong by messing everything up and involving Rey Mysterio into all of this.

When Kane revealed that Rey's mask was in his bag I assumed right away that creative made a quick change of plan's for the storyline and I wouldn't be suprised if that were true.

On a positive note I think Rey Mysterio will return as a different character .. no pyro, no taunting, no smiling and basicly being unhappy and depressed. I don't know if anyone remember's, but I think it was Michael Cole who questioned last night on RAW what mind state Rey would be in. So I'm assuming Rey will come back as Kane's puppet or something along those line's, if he come's back just the same and unscaved then all this build up with the bag and all that would have been a complete waste of time.

 

[DarkRaider]

Kane will win the World title at unforgiven, Rey being involved in the match will benefit him as, he will have control over Rey. Rey will let Kane Pin him in the closing seconds of the match to ensure Kanes Victory. Rey will then be used as a puppet to torment Batista for a while.

Just my thoughts.