Kane...What happened?

[timostag]

I hope this isn't true but...

I can see taker getting involved maybe ANOTHER fued! Taker has started setting people on fire (reminds me of Kane) and talking about sending people to hell (Kane spoke about he's been to hell and didn't see a clothesline to JBL).
I think all this talk will aggrivate Kane reminding him of what taker did to Kanes parents? and there will be a taker/kane wm25 match where taker loses!

 

[Mattyboy]

I think Taker v Kane is redundant now unless they either form a kickass stable and go on a tear, or kane goes back to being a masked monster. At the moment It just wouldnt seem believable that Kane could beat Taker.

I think they could just stick the mask on Kane, have him go nuts again and think he needs it. Wasnt that the premise before? The burns were all in his head?

Im hoping that the feud ends in a Kane win, as it would hurt him more to lose to Rey than vice versa, and masked again.Still, its quite an interesting feud despite the beatdown lol

 

[slimmshady]

If you think about this story, it all kinda makes sense. A few months ago Kane walks out to the ring to show what was in his bag. Now my theory is that in actual fact, Kane's mask was meant to be in the bag but a late change in decisions led to mysterio's bag popping out. Now this may have been because rey had recovered from his injury therefore wwe wanted a way in which to bring him back to raw. So they delayed the return of kane's mask story and instead turned the story into another angle by involving mysterio. The big kinda giveaway was first adamle actually trying to explain what was up with kane's new line know as "is he alive or is he dead" (by the way that was meant to actually refer to kane's more evil side). Secondly was kane actually telling mysterio that he wants to face him next week but he shows mysterio his mask. Anyway thats what I think.

 

[TomSmithUK]

Above poster, Yeah I did notice the straps on his mask, rather than the whole head cover. Mind you, I just associated it with his daft mohawk.

There is also a worrying thought popping into my head. Kane with his mask, but Kane got unmasked. Surely WWE would be stupid to unmask Rey Mysterio, I know WCW had a fetish for it, and for me ruined half of it's cruiserweights along the way.

Kane re-masking makes more sense than Rey Unmasking. You gain a monster heel with more credibility, or lose a huge source of money in merchandising

 

[Paul Revere]

I remember in mid-1997 when Paul Bearer and WWE hyped up Kane to no end. Then comes Badd Blood 1997. To end arguably the greatest Hell In A Cell ever, Kane interferes and gives his brother a Tombstone Piledriver. He was a monster heel at its finest. The feud and the Wrestlemania match are favorites of mine. 1998 was a decent year for the Big Red Machine, but in 1999 the monster was no more. Two years of the same stuff. Feuding with midcarders. Royal Rumble 2001 almost saved Kane but after the feud with Two Man Power Trip, all of the momentum was lost again. He then de-masked in 2003, and but after a while the hype was lost from that as well. Since then, he has been nothing more than a glorified jobber, save a couple matches and reigns here and there.

What went wrong with Kane and when did it all go wrong?

Is it because of the tag team with X-Pac? The fact that they turned him face? Or because he started talking? The de-masking? The lack of any kind of push? What do you think happened? What killed all of the momentum? When did that momentum officially die?

 

[JasonSensation]

I remember in mid-1997 when Paul Bearer and WWE hyped up Kane to no end. Then comes Badd Blood 1997. To end arguably the greatest Hell In A Cell ever, Kane interferes and gives his brother a Tombstone Piledriver. He was a monster heel at its finest. The feud and the Wrestlemania match are favorites of mine. 1998 was a decent year for the Big Red Machine, but in 1999 the monster was no more. Two years of the same stuff. Feuding with midcarders. Royal Rumble 2001 almost saved Kane but after the feud with Two Man Power Trip, all of the momentum was lost again. He then de-masked in 2003, and but after a while the hype was lost from that as well. Since then, he has been nothing more than a glorified jobber, save a couple matches and reigns here and there.

What went wrong with Kane and when did it all go wrong?

Is it because of the tag team with X-Pac? The fact that they turned him face? Or because he started talking? The de-masking? The lack of any kind of push? What do you think happened? What killed all of the momentum? When did that momentum officially die?

It died the night after the grandest night of his career. After defeating Steve freaking Austin for the WWF Title on PPV, the very next night he lost it right back to him on Free TV. *slams the door shut on any possibility of Kane recovering* When his only title reign is made out to be a fluke, so goes the gimmick. So goes the terror, the tenacity, the invincibility. Same goes with Umaga. Same with Lesnar towards the end of his run. If only Kane had held that title for longer than 6 months and beaten Austin, Rock, Mankind, and Undertaker during that timeframe, CLEANLY, then I think things MAY be different today. Of course taking off the mask didn't help, either. Hell, coming back with a mask that revealed more of his face was a blow as well. The more they humanized Kane, the less intimidating he was, therefore the less mystique there was surrounding his character. There was no longer an aura that said to the audience "this big red s.o.b. is about to destroy this poor poor guy". It was more or less "wow, upper mid-carder A has to really step up his game, but he'll be able to do it!". Shame. I've always been an advocate for bringing back and maintaing a TRUE monster Kane. Not a watered-down version that goes soft within 4 months all over again. Good post.

 

[jpfizzle]

Kane... A great example, a saddening example perhaps of a wrestler staying way past his prime effectively harming his legacy. Kane is one of the masters of exciting angles. His debut as Undertakers brother was exciting, intense and frightening. He was a monster, one who could decimate great competitors and one who could if called for fly from the top rope delivering a flattening clothesline.

Kane had his day in the sun and he will always be remembered fondly for it. He will always be in my eyes the greatest competitor never to have a serious run with the world title (Im not talking ECW.)

The blunt truth of what went wrong is nothing to do with the way he was booked or the de-masking, the sad fact is he just got old. He gained weight and he can no longer move around with the amazing quickness he used to for a man his size.

Kane is an example of why it is so important for the WWE not to drop the ball with the influx of young talent they have at there disposal. Kane is in his dieing days as his recent match with Mysterio highlighted. Try as he might he will never be a legitamate succesful World Heavyweight Title Holder again and neither will JBL.... Neither cntreversially will HBK, they've had there time and they did wonders with it. But Ric Flair is an example of what you become if you stay past your welcome. Every good wrestler, love or hate them serves a purpose, and unfortunatly Kanes purpose is served.

 

[timostag]

Kane... A great example, a saddening example perhaps of a wrestler staying way past his prime effectively harming his legacy. Kane is one of the masters of exciting angles. His debut as Undertakers brother was exciting, intense and frightening. He was a monster, one who could decimate great competitors and one who could if called for fly from the top rope delivering a flattening clothesline.

Kane had his day in the sun and he will always be remembered fondly for it. He will always be in my eyes the greatest competitor never to have a serious run with the world title (Im not talking ECW.)

The blunt truth of what went wrong is nothing to do with the way he was booked or the de-masking, the sad fact is he just got old. He gained weight and he can no longer move around with the amazing quickness he used to for a man his size.

Kane is an example of why it is so important for the WWE not to drop the ball with the influx of young talent they have at there disposal. Kane is in his dieing days as his recent match with Mysterio highlighted. Try as he might he will never be a legitamate succesful World Heavyweight Title Holder again and neither will JBL.... Neither cntreversially will HBK, they've had there time and they did wonders with it. But Ric Flair is an example of what you become if you stay past your welcome. Every good wrestler, love or hate them serves a purpose, and unfortunatly Kanes purpose is served.

Kane (glen jabobs) is only 2 years older than HHH would you say he will never be a legitamate succesful World Heavyweight Title Holder?

I have no idea why he has never had a real push, according to alot of people on this forum he has a really good back stage attitude and is quiet happy putting over new talent, but rey is already over as is batista so i dont know what happend this time?

I have always loved this character but he had an amasing build-up and storylines in the early days and now he just jobs so maybe he doesn't get ratings with wwe's new younger fans that don't see the BIG RED MONSTER we do

 

[jpfizzle]

Kane (glen jabobs) is only 2 years older than HHH would you say he will never be a legitamate succesful World Heavyweight Title Holder?

I have no idea why he has never had a real push, according to alot of people on this forum he has a really good back stage attitude and is quiet happy putting over new talent, but rey is already over as is batista so i dont know what happend this time?

I have always loved this character but he had an amasing build-up and storylines in the early days and now he just jobs so maybe he doesn't get ratings with wwe's new younger fans that don't see the BIG RED MONSTER we do

No I wouldn't say Triple H will never be a legitimate succesful World Heavyweight Title holder but we are looking at two completely diffrent guys...It's not age thats the factor, but look at Triple H's body and physique compared to Kanes. He moves around the ring much quicker and much more realistically threatening.

Also, Triple H has alot of power backstage, it is undeniable, he can hold onto that title for as long as he wants. Kane doesn't have this ability. Even without the factor of stroke backstage, Triple H still deserves to be champion more than Kane and thats coming from someone who hates Triple H.

I think you summed it up in your last paragraph, he is not the big red monster anymore, not to the new fans and even to alot of the fans like you or me. He has served his purpose, grown fatter and slower and lost alot of his dominance for those reasons alone.

 

[timostag]

No I wouldn't say Triple H will never be a legitimate succesful World Heavyweight Title holder but we are looking at two completely diffrent guys...It's not age thats the factor, but look at Triple H's body and physique compared to Kanes. He moves around the ring much quicker and much more realistically threatening.

Also, Triple H has alot of power backstage, it is undeniable, he can hold onto that title for as long as he wants. Kane doesn't have this ability. Even without the factor of stroke backstage, Triple H still deserves to be champion more than Kane and thats coming from someone who hates Triple H.

I think you summed it up in your last paragraph, he is not the big red monster anymore, not to the new fans and even to alot of the fans like you or me. He has served his purpose, grown fatter and slower and lost alot of his dominance for those reasons alone.

Ok I'll give you that, i stopped watching for a few years 2003-2007 and i didn't think Kane was still played by the same person!!!

Do you think the Kane character can be recycled there is another thread somewhere that talks about characters being used over and over again because young wrestlers base themselves on their favourites they idolized?

 

[Starchild]

Ahh Kane, what could have been with the monster. I will always remember him as a former world champ, but unfortunately I will also remember it was a 24 hour reign. He definitely should have gotten a lengthy run with the title back when he was the monster "Big Red Machine".
I agree with a couple points posted above. The biggest factors in Kane ending up where he is today is humanizing him and just getting old. The humanizing encompasses several things they did. I mean teaming him with changing his attire was cool, but each time it seemed the mask would reveal a little more of his face, then teaming him with X-Pac and Hurricane, and ultimately removing the mask. I think this is one of those guys who was just excellent as being that monster heel type guy that they try to push so many for these days but none do a really good job of it like Kane did in the late 90s. It used to seem you couldn't hurt the man; you'd never be able to knock him down and if you did he would sit right back up ala Undertaker. But as he went along, more and more people started to beat him until you get him being a jobber on Smackdown before winning the ECW title which was nice, but then coming to Raw and getting kicked around by Rey Mysterio and Evan Bourne. I'm sorry but old school Kane just wouldn't have let that happen, he would have kicked some ass. The most humanizing thing they ever did is remove the mask. It took away the aura of what he looked like and the character just got stale. Cutting the hair also didn't help anything.
Aside from all that, Kane has just gotten older and can't do what he used to. We rarely see him use his signature clothesline from the top which I thought was always cool that a guy that big could pull off a move like that..it's not the most impressive move of course, but the fact that it's a 7' 300lb guy doing makes it better. And you can clearly see Kane has gained alot of weight and it rather fat now like JBL.

I have to believe that had they not humanized him as much, left the mask on in the first place, and he would have stayed in shape it would have been much better for Kane. I think that character is one that would have never gotten old just like The Rattlesnake and The Deadman that we still like to see today 10 and 15 years later.

 

[jpfizzle]

Ok I'll give you that, i stopped watching for a few years 2003-2007 and i didn't think Kane was still played by the same person!!!

Do you think the Kane character can be recycled there is another thread somewhere that talks about characters being used over and over again because young wrestlers base themselves on their favourites they idolized?

So many of my friends who used to watch wrestling see Kane and say the exact same thing.

A simple answer to your question is no. It's like saying can the attitude era ever be repeated, or can they ever repeat the corprate ministry. Kane's character is legendary, yet it has served his purpose and it is time to move away from it. Certainly if I was Glen Jacobs I wuld be fuming should anyone ever take on the character that he made into his own so well.

Rest assured though that sooner or later, one way or another I'm sure there will be another great gimmick. The Kane gimmick will go down in history as being Glen Jacobs gift to the Wrestling world, anyone else in the role will be taking away from what Glen Jacobs the man put his body and soul in to for the fans

I have to believe that had they not humanized him as much, left the mask on in the first place, and he would have stayed in shape it would have been much better for Kane. I think that character is one that would have never gotten old just like The Rattlesnake and The Deadman that we still like to see today 10 and 15 years later.

True but it is alot to ask. Most people grow older and slower, and in his state now even with the mask he wouldn't be any better in the ring. The humanizing was a risk, and at the time was quite a big draw I believe, but in terms of longevity it backfired. If WWE didn't take risks however the product would just grow stale anyway. For every failed move you get another one like making Rocky Maivia join the Nation etc. effectively creating The Rock

 

[Dead Kennedy]

There are so many factors as to the decline of Kane's character, too numerous to list. But I think the first major blow to the monster heel that was the immensely impressive Kane was getting a WWF Championship win with help and then dropping it back the next day. That doesn't help anybody. Sure, it's a shocker and all and WWF in them days was all about shock value, but it just irrepairably damaged his character.

Then came a sleuth of bad angles, followed with the de-masking. Totally killed any momentum the character had. Ever since, he just hasn't been the same guy. Going from a monster heel to a jobber to the stars, and the man even likes putting over other talent. The complete monster champion he could have become eventually became nothing. And now, he's in this completely f'ed up angle with Rey. They've screwed it up to the level that it's not gonna benefit either man, no matter how it turns up. Kane is a guy who could have been big, but was completely ruined by some ludicrous booking and storylines.

 

[jpfizzle]

There are so many factors as to the decline of Kane's character, too numerous to list. But I think the first major blow to the monster heel that was the immensely impressive Kane was getting a WWF Championship win with help and then dropping it back the next day. That doesn't help anybody. Sure, it's a shocker and all and WWF in them days was all about shock value, but it just irrepairably damaged his character.

Then came a sleuth of bad angles, followed with the de-masking. Totally killed any momentum the character had. Ever since, he just hasn't been the same guy. Going from a monster heel to a jobber to the stars, and the man even likes putting over other talent. The complete monster champion he could have become eventually became nothing. And now, he's in this completely f'ed up angle with Rey. They've screwed it up to the level that it's not gonna benefit either man, no matter how it turns up. Kane is a guy who could have been big, but was completely ruined by some ludicrous booking and storylines.

Truthfully though would Kane have been a good draw as champion anyway? Better than Steve Austin? I don't think so. Kane was never a particuly GREAT wrestler, he was a great gimmick. And Kane was big, from 1998 - 2001 he was one of the biggest names in wrestling. He was legitimately scary for the casual fan, particuly kids and thats due to the booking and storylines. You say he was ruined by these but he was also made by these.

They have screwed up the recent storyline with Rey Mysterio, but Kane was a shadow of his former self along time prior to that. More to blame than anyone for his demise in being awesome is himself. No matter who he is booked with the sad fact is he's out of shape and cannot put on a match like he used too.

 

[Miko]

What happened to Kane? Thats a tough one really because the fact is Kane has always been one of WWE's most popular superstars and can still put on a good match, he has secured a tremendous legacy which is amazing when you consider that his character could've become boring after his fued with The Undertaker ended because truth be told when Kane first started out he was merely an addition to Takers character who could've got old quick.

Kane's humanisation wasnt a bad thing at the time and it still isnt now, I thinks its part of why he's still here, his character developed and people grew to love him.

The thing is for much of Kanes career he's done meaningless crap, fueded in the mid-card and played second fiddle to The Undertaker. Then he was built up as a threat again thanks to the Royal Rumble but I think that was only because that meant Kane could job so that Undertaker didnt have to.

That was until the brand-split came along and Kane was the 3rd draft pick for RAW, he was upstaging Rock and Hogan in tag matches and he was a real threat again, then he got injured and returned with that half mask thing and had a decent run alongside the Hurricane and RVD before being made a HUGE threat again only to be de-masked by the Game.

After being de-masked he became a threat again destroying the likes of Stone Cold and RVD among others only to be more or less squashed, fucking squashed by Undertaker at WM 20, he never recovered from that, losing to Benoit, HBK and Snitsky for fucks sake.

I think Kane was only ever bought into WWE as Main-Event fodder, the fact is he became popular enough to keep his job and probably couldve had a World Title run if he wanted it but the only time he's really built up as a legit threat its only to do the job to someone who usually doesnt need the rub.

 

[AnthonyMango/NoFate007]

Villain Decay.

Its a writer's term for when a series has exhibited a villain so often that you eventually cause the audience to lower their expectations. The first time you show this villain, they're a badass. Nothing can stop them. Eventually, they're stopped by the hero. This can only happen so much until there's a breaking point where the audience no longer considers said villain a valuable threat. Any fans of the old original Power Rangers remembers how much of a badass Lord Zedd was, until he eventually became a slow-witted comedic character that lost all the time.

Such is the case with Kane. He started out making a huge impression, but what caused him to decline was losing the title back to Austin a day later, and not regaining it ever again. If they had continued the feud and had Austin drop the belt again, it might have helped salvage Kane's push.

There's also another "problem", though its more of a "what if" scenario. If the Brand Extension would have occurred back then, I think its safe to say that Kane would be considered a major main event player on Brand B - Smackdown. The main problem with the WWE's main event scene back around the Austin/Rock era is that the WWE was focused on merely making Austin and the Rock look good, not everyone else. Kane didn't stand a chance. So by proxy, if the WWE would've had Austin on one show and Rock on the other, they'd have to balance the weight. Undertaker on one, Kane on another. HHH on one, uh...idk, you fill in the blank for the rest of upper midcard and main event people at the time.

Glen's partially at fault in that he hasn't upgraded over the years in terms of his in-ring capabilities, but part of that is simply age that he has no control over. Essentially, the reason Kane never amounted to much is because he was never in the proper position to become such when they had two bigger stars (Austin/Rock) to deal with. You can be the best shot in the west but you only have enough hands for two people and the third gun, however big it may be, will need to rest in its holster and wait.

 

[The Mark of Zur-En-Arrh]

Kane's career has only been crap in the last 4 years really.

There's no way they could have continued the 'unbeatable monster' angle forever, without it getting stupidly stale. It's why Austin did the MASSIVE heel turn in 2001, and why the Rock became the 'Hollywood Star' and abandoned the 'People's champ' gimmick. Both of those turns occurred to freshen up the characters, whereas guys like Taker, HHH and others only turn face and heel when the come back from injuries. They come back from injury as a face, and then turn heel all of a sudden, and that's repeated.

As for the 'physical strength/endurance of the character, you can't expect guys to be able to absorb that much punishment over the course of 20 years. Undertaker doesn't even do the whole 'immune to pain' stick anymore. Neither of them sit up immediately as often as they used to. Both of them are usually downed, and then reach up for the opponents throat and then get up. Or they sit up after their opponent has left the ring to show they haven't been truly decimated.

Another problem is that the sick demented Kane isn't particularly sick or demented anymore. His fued with the Undertaker had that awesome segment when he was locked in the casket and set on fire. That was the actions of a sick, demented monster. He tombstoned Pete Rose for no reason at WM, and then attacked him again when Pete retaliated the next 2 years in a row. In his fued with X-Pac he tombstoned Tori on more than one occassion i believe. Again, those were the actions of a sick, demented monster. In the 2001 Royal Rumble he went to beat the crap out of Drew Carey (who yes was a participant, but still). Later that year he turned on the Undertaker and chokeslammed him through the ring (done before i know). He set Jim Ross on fire in 2003, after removing his mask, he tombstoned Linda McMahon and then had a bloody and brutal fued with Shane McMahon, later that year, and then immediately after beating Shane for the second time, he helped Vince McMahon bury the Undertaker alive, and continued a path of destruction until WM 20.......

And then what? A short fued with Benoit and HBK which amounted to nothing. Then he fueded with Matt Hardy, to force Lita to sleep with him, and then marry him which was entertaining to a degree. But then since getting srewed around by Edge and Lita he's done very little. He's squashed Chavo and that's it. Now he's attacked Mysterio, which we never actually got to see, which was stupid. Perhaps if we'd seen him attack Rey he'd get a bit more heat, but no, didn't happen.

As a face he had a couple of good runs, but always seemed to suffer the same outcomes. He'd either get beaten cleanly by Austin/Rock/Taker or he'd get gang mugged by HHH and whoever was helping him that year, or someone else would jump in. I remember in Dec '99 he came within an inch of beating Big Show for the title, he even had him up for a tombstone piledriver, and then got counted out because Viscera was trying it on with Tori. WTF?!? Remember in '03 when he almost held the IC title, the tag titles and the World title all at once? Even if he'd had the title for 24 hors again, he'd still have achieved something no one else has ever done. I guess he'll have to stick to having the RR elimination record.

For some reason, Glen hasn't decided to maintain his physice like others his age have. No more enziguri's or dropkicks (except that running dropkick on a sitting opponent, which he feels the need to do in 90% of his matches at the very beginning), and only the occassional top rope clothesline. Unfortuantely, if they're going to run with this PG idea, Glen's never likely to get the chance to do something truly monstrous on TV anymore (while guys like JBL and Cena are running each other down and setting fire to each other, and HBK and Jericho are throwing each other into TVs and punching each other's wives.). There is no justification for making him jobber to the stars though imo. (To my knowledge, he's never beaten Batista.... EVER. They've had some decent matches in the past, but the outcome is always the same)

 

[LMaruko]

I think that Kane deserves another good shot at the title, but Kane needs an overhaul.

I believe that kane should go back to being demented, as the storyline with Rey Mysterio is a perfect way for Kane to get that big push. Even though Rey Rey is an underdog, creative could have Rey defeat Kane time and time again, infuriating Kane to no end, and then one lovely day on RAW a couple weeks before Armaggeddon, Kane dons the mask, and decimates EVERYTHING that he comes into contact with on his way to Adamle-down's office, from the moment he enters the building, to his destination. Kane explains very simply and to the point to Adamle-down: "Mysterio. Burned Alive. Armaggeddon." Kane leaves, and throughout the rest of the night keeps on destroying everyone and everything, including his match opponent (some job-squash match), and nearly (in kayfabe) kills the jobber in some way. Adamle comes out, and tells Kane that he has his Inferno match with Mysterio, if only he stops his destruction. Kane laughs, and chokeslams Adamle, and continues a massive hellbent path of destruction, giving Kane that "OMG he went ballistic" push to Armaggeddon, and then completely manhandles the #1 contender, putting him out of action, which gets the WHC's attention, and Kane feuds with the WHC, getting into his head with cryptic messages, defeating his friends/allies, destroying his personal possessions, so on and so forth, and then Kane gets his champ run, still being undenyable manical until he's defeated by a face. I would want to say a newcomer to the WHC picture to do the job. MVP maybe (feud from before).

All in all, RAW (hell, all the brands) needs a new champ, and seeing the same old faces day in and day out is something that is killing the entertainment of the business. Kane himself has yet to hold the World Title for over 10 years, and the 24 hour reign was insignificant, as if he never even held the belt. I say another run for Kane! Don't lay down for Adamle-down!

 

[Slyfox696]

Wow...

All of these posts, and no one has come close to hitting the right answer. What happened to Kane? He sucked, that's what happened.

Seriously, being big and scary will only do you for so long. At some point, you have to have a small semblance of quality in order to balance out and flesh out your character. Kane has none. He's terrible in the ring, is too forced in promos, and generally sucks playing his character.

The WWE should have given him a gimmick overhaul years ago. Like, say the role of a jobber, who always loses to other wrestlers. It would have been befitting his ability in the ring. Kane is and always has been a terrible worker. He was a flash in the pan, and has only stuck around due to the fact he's one of the last holdovers from the Attitude Era. He's never moved a ratings needle consistently, he's never been a draw consistently, and he's never put on a good match...consistently or inconsistently.

That's why it all went so "wrong".

 

[K Bro 30]

To say he sucks is wrong. What went wrong with Kane was he became human, and soft.

You have a man of his size, and he does great in the ring for his size, he even has a trade mark move off the top-rope. You can't deny his ability. But like I said, his attitude, he did not become a monster anymore. When he did not talk, when all he did was make an entrance and dominate, that was his gimmick. When you could not see him, and you could not hear him, he was just an animal. Nothing human about him.

Now he talks all the time, and his current promos are too forced. The Rey Mysterio thing was just randomly brought up. I think he can become a legitimate champion again, but there needs to be an angle. And yes, this will be pushing it, but it needs to happen. Put him and Rey in an inferno match. Kane actually does burn. Bring him back with a series of chaotic events. Like show Rey in the locker room getting cornered, and screaming, but not showing his attacker. Something crazy, but after Kane does get burnt, ressurect the monster. Let him compete in a series of matchs and dominate.

The only problem with that is this, with WWE being how it is, you need a marketable champion. A character who does not talk is not marketable.

 

[Swift]

Kane didn't suck. Moments like these will be the way that I remember his persona:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHFBBefMY2Q
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q13yCK4FQPc

What went wrong, the way I saw it, was that people (including myself, for a while) got what they wanted. Fans were growing increasingly anxious to have his mask removed, and once it was, it was (after a little while) the last stage of humanizing and softening Kane.

I took a long while off from watching wrestling at all, since I'd been so used to the Attitude era that the product after, gradually became more of a burden to watch, so I can't say that I know everything that's been going on with the Kane gimmick. I did watch a bit of wrestling, off and on though, after the mask had been removed, but the fact that I can only remember significant moments that happened when the mask was still on, tells you what I thought of what I did get to see.

The guy's basically a victim of bad timing and poor decisions (his own, included). Although, I can't help but hope that the WWE creative team will pick up the ball and do something that makes sense with him, what I've seen from them over the last few months (since watching wrestling again) gives me no reason to believe that that's realistically going to happen.

I was watching youtube and found a clip where Kane and Big Show double chokeslammed Rey Mysterio, then the Undertaker came out and fought both of them off (before being hit w/ an RKO ofcourse). If you're interested in watching the clip, here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2jL_AXwO2s

I found it a little funny how the Undertaker is now back in a saga with the Big Show, while Kane is in a new one with Mysterio. More importantly, however, it reminded me of an idea of possibly allowing Kane to return to the machine that he once was.

If he's going to make a return to his former self, Kane is going to have to be taken out for a while. And if anyone is going to have to take Kane out, the Undertaker, given his character and relationship with Kane, would make the most sense to me. As far as WWE characters go, these two guys are "forever" bonded, so it's not like it'd just be one of those beaten-to-death storylines that have no reason to be.

Looking at the pay-per-view schedule, the Undertaker would have to return to Raw, get into a storyline with, and take Kane out of competition by Judgment Day (May 17, 2009) and keep him off of television until his hair has grown to workable length. During that time off, it would also be up to Kane to get back into ME shape.

The Undertaker has already beaten up on Kane after he (Kane) beat up on little old Rey Mysterio, so I don't think it'd be a challenge getting him involved there. Allow Kane to truly torture and demolish Rey for a couple of weeks, then have Batista come to Rey's aid here and there until he can find a new matchup (and/or if Rey tells Batista that he simply doesn't want his help and that he can take care of himself).

Once Cena and/or Orton returns, I'm sure Batista can find a way to involve himself in one of their storylines.

Kane then begins interrupting random matches (usually with smaller guys) and simply decimating them, becoming confusingly inexplicable. At which point they bring in the only guy who "truly knows Kane", the Undertaker. Undertaker spends just one episode trying to talk to Kane , but even with that, Kane just continues pouncing on the little guys of Raw, disregarding his brother near-completely. At which point, Undertaker becomes extremely frustrated and interrupts one of Kane's interruptions and leaves him laid out in the middle of the ring. As Undertaker leaves the ring and heads towards the entranceway, Kane sits up and looks in his direction as we go off the air, starting a new feud between the two brothers. Week after week, the Undertaker continues to beat Kane, leading up to the Judgment Day pay-per-view where the two will face eachother in a Buried Alive match. The Undertaker wins that one, and we don't see Kane until he returns as the Big Red Machine.

As a sidenote, I'm thinking Batista could possibly shimmy his way into the Orton/Priceless storyline. By this time, Priceless could possibly "turn" on Orton after he's taught them everything he knew, resulting in him finding help through Batista as they re-unite as the younger half of Evolution. Then, Batista and Orton can have a series of matches against Priceless where they eventually (symbolically) pass on the torch that had been passed on to them by Flair and Triple H. Then, we figure that Orton is better as a heel-leaning hybrid, so Orton reveals that it was a part of his plan all along, turns on Batista, and returns as the young leader of Priceless.

Just my thoughts.

 

[Mattyboy]

I think Kane can easily be given the wow factor to grip audiences again, simply by having him don the mask again and go on a rampage-it just needs to be a sustained rampage. Im a huge Kane fan so i hope it happens. Jacobs deserves it.

Anyway to the topic itself, kane was humanised, thats what happened. He went from completely ruining everybody in his way, to doing spinaroonies with Booker T and mocking out the Rock and Hogans catchphrases. Then they unmasked him, which was the worst move possible, it took away the aura and mystery of Kane.

I hope creative or someone from wwe checks this post, because imma give them a refresh of what Kane was....

Obviously we all remember him ripping the cell door off at bad blood, and attacking people throughout various Raw shows til Taker fought him. Even when Taker went heel and Kane became a face [well he was cheered like hell anyway], the gimmick still worked.

Remember when Kane was forced to join the corporation, and was put in the mental institute? Then on Raw during a match with Corporate DX and the Radicals v Rock, Cactus and Too Cool/Rikishi, ther lights go out, Paul Bearer returns, the music hits and the fans go NUTS when Kane comes down and destroys everything. That alone [youtube it] shows Kane was a monster and over.

Even the angles where they tried to humanise him worked,having him team with X-Pac, or fall for Chyna and Torri, because you had a monster trying to be normal, but never quite getting there. And then murdering whoever betrays him!It was classic tv.

And now...its sad. Kane can still cut in the ring, but over the last 5yrs since his unmasking he's had so many crap feuds-Matt Hardy, Snitsky, MVP etc. And he hasnt always won. Against lesser people. And if he loses to Rey it will kill his character UNLess it leads to LMarukos idea.

This Rey angle is make or break for Kane, and it shouldnt be that way.

 

[Milkyway!]

Okay, uh in my honest opinion, take him away from rey, whats with the biggest monster heel vs the smallest baby face?? makes no sense too me, and fued him with someone decent at least

....okay so this is a little off the kane subj, but arnt they doing the EXACT same thing with abyss in tna right now?? i find it stupid.

 

[TimAH]

When Kane first unmasked he looked like he was going to recieve a monster push...they even had him sit up after a friggen stone cold stunner. Unfortunately that was the highlight of Kanes career since.

Kane doesnt need a title reign. What he needs is to be credible. He needs to invoke fear. He should play the role of a destructive tweener who doesnt give a crap who he attacks and doesnt need to be provoked. IMO Kane can cut a damn good psychotic promo. The ones during this mysterio angle havent been great, but i think thats due to the WWE trying to make Kane explain himself. He shouldnt need a reason for what he did to mysterio, he should have said something to the effect of "i did it because I can and I'll do it again when i want and to whoever i want"

 

[Slyfox696]

Kane doesnt need a title reign. What he needs is to be credible. He needs to invoke fear. He should play the role of a destructive tweener who doesnt give a crap who he attacks and doesnt need to be provoked.

The WWE has given him several of those storylines. The problem is that the actor portraying the character just doesn't do a very good job of playing the character, especially when it comes to his in-ring work. It all comes down to the fact that Kane is just not a very good wrestler.

I saw someone mention that he has a trademark off-the-top rope move. So? Who gives a damn? I could find a ring right now, and do one off-the-top rope move 85 times in a row. That wouldn't make me a good wrestler though.

The fact of the matter is that Kane sucks. There's no way around that fact.