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kane on smackdown....where?

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Has anyone, besides myself, noticed that kane hasn't been in action since he lost in the fatal 4 way match a few weeks ago. I read some rumors on the internet that kane's contract is about to expire in june and according to some sources, he has decided not to renew it. Is this true? This will be a darn shame for glen to exit the company without a final match or reception or something to thank him for what he has done over the years. I was really looking forward to seeing kane face taker one more time.
 
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He's like 42 or so years old. You can't expect him to be going non stop like Cena or Punk do. He's got a lot of unhealed injuried and he needs some time off.
I doubt he's not renewing the contract next year, he still has one good year left in him and there's no way WWE wouldn't offer im a large amount of money to keep him for that year. As you said, he has to face off against Undertaker one more time (and beat him clean this time!) and also tag with Undertaker one more time before they both retire. Apart from that there's nothing left for Kane to do in the WWE since he's now considered a Grandslam champion due to the Hardcore title now being considered a third tier title...
 
Well there was another thread around recently arguing that a while off television would be good for Kane, and already considering its been noticed... its beginning to work.

Give it a little while longer and a return for Kane could be the greatest thing possible after a long layoff. A few vignettes and then a surprise return at the point where you wouldn't expect it. I can't think of any examples off the top of my head, but something that will ignite interest in Kane again is most definitely needed because right now the character has been sadly stale.

On a side-note, I miss the mask...
 
Yeah, I noticed he has been missing two. I think he's probably just resting. Why not? There's nothing in the cards for him right now, so give him well deserved time off. I am a huge Kane fan, but I can honestly say if he winds up taking 4-5 months off at this point, it will be a HUGE benefit to him.

The last time he had significant time off, it was in '02 and he went from facing the likes of Albert, to being injured and missing months, to coming back as the most over face on Raw.

Plus, the Power 25 has taken note of Kane's absence in back to back weeks.

It'll likely be a part of an angle. In that fatal four way, right after he was pinned, he kind of snapped, and now he hasn't been seen since.
 
Yeah I would say if anything they are creating a storyline for him, they are probably waiting till Taker comes back if anything! I would like to see him challenge for the I.C title.
 
It's too early to read into anything, but again, I checked the Power 25, and on the Undertaker's spot, it says something to the extent of - Just like his brother Kane, the Undertaker has been MIA the last several weeks.

Maybe Kane will be missing a few months to coincide with the Undertaker's injury, and a full time BOD reunion may be on our hands.

Although, that's pure speculation and I think it'd be a waste to keep Kane out of action for months just to reunite him with Taker, as that can very easily be done at any given moment because of their history. Heck, even in the Royal Rumble, with Kane working as a heel and the Taker as a face, they briefly reunited to clean house in the Rumble match and the fans still loved it.
 
Kane? Missing? Meh. He's good for his purpose, but he isn't exactly needed, is he? Every show has enough heels as it is. Or was Kane face when he left? Nope, he had that really creepy hell turn that everyone shit themselves over. Something about a bag. Anyway, he isn't needed, so he might as well take a bit of time off. He's old as far as the business goes, and I'm sure he's as beat up as the Undertaker is.

If he's leaving, as that rumor says, meh. He wouldn't get a final farewell like Ric Flair, nor would he have very much pomp and circumstance either. He couldn't. What, are they going to break kayfabe for the last 15 minutes he's on air? No. He'll do what Kane does best, lose his final match and put someone else over. As Kane would want it. And then he'll leave through the curtain, say goodbye to his friends, and leave when the show was over. Collect his paycheck, maybe sign on as a trainer later.
 
Kane's been wrestling full-time without taking any real breaks for a long time now. He definitely deserves to have a break every now and then, especially with how banged up his body supposedly is.
 
ok first thread guys dont slotter me....anywayz when the draft was done..me a MASSIVE kane fan though oh yeah kane on smackdown maybe a push is due....hes had one match (correct me if im wrong) since the draft...just wondering guys...is this the end of KANE or is this the start of the end? maybe hes gettin in shape i dont know....hes well overdue a break in my books but i hope to god wwe uses him correctly when he comes back/if he comes back?


sorry for the spelling im scottish haha i type in my slang :fuckoff:
 
I am also a huge Kane fan, and really hope he gets one more push before he decides to hang up his boots. Since getting drafted to Smackdown, he's only had that ''Fatal Four way Elimination'' match for the #1 Contendership for the World Heavyweight Championship and that match against Kane at Backlash. Since then, Kane has been nowhere to be seen. But remember this... Undertaker has been nowhere to be seen since being pummeled by The Big Show. Hopefully we can have one last Kane/Undertaker storyline. Now, I'm tired of seeing WWE making superstars betray their partner and later fueding with them. We see that enough.

If and when Undertaker and Kane returns, I would love to see them team with each other and even have a few matches against each other. Except I do not want to see one turning their back on the other. Just a match between two ''brothers'', who respect each other put in all on the line to give us a show we'll be sure to remember.
 
I am a fan of Kane too, but giving him a push at the main-event would be bad business for Vince, so I don't see it happening anytime soon. I could see him getting a tag-team title run if they can find him the right partner and right opponents. I could also see him getting a run at the IC title division if they are able to find him the right opponents. But other than the IC or Tag Team division I just don't see him getting a push anywhere else.

I think right now it is going to be too hard to re-built Kane as a credible monster again because the damage has been done. I feel like he is going to stay at the position he is in now which is jobbing to the stars and soon to be stars, and from what I've heard is that he actually enjoys doing the job and if that is what he wants to do and likes doing it, then let him continue do it.

It would be nice to see him get a nice little push, even if it is for a couple of months but I just don't see it happening because Vince knows it just isn't good for business since there isn't a huge fan base for Kane, like there is for other superstars like The Undertaker and HBK and many others.
 
I swear that people on this forum work for wwe... Cause I cannot see anyone hating on Kane the way I've seen here! Accually I only hang out with wrestling fans! Everyone of them like kand.... and sometimes thats the only thing we agree on...

Kane is out of shape.... and none of his moves are "Out of nowhere"...
But he is entertaining on the stick! He has alot of charisma in and out of the ring....he is a big guy among little guys.... And he is one of the vets on smackdown!

His career has gone nowhere when it should have!
He should get a respectible title run.... even if nothing more then a thanks for all your hard work!

But I've heard nothing about Kane resantly!
 
I am a fan of Kane too, but giving him a push at the main-event would be bad business for Vince, so I don't see it happening anytime soon. I could see him getting a tag-team title run if they can find him the right partner and right opponents. I could also see him getting a run at the IC title division if they are able to find him the right opponents. But other than the IC or Tag Team division I just don't see him getting a push anywhere else.

I think right now it is going to be too hard to re-built Kane as a credible monster again because the damage has been done. I feel like he is going to stay at the position he is in now which is jobbing to the stars and soon to be stars, and from what I've heard is that he actually enjoys doing the job and if that is what he wants to do and likes doing it, then let him continue do it.

It would be nice to see him get a nice little push, even if it is for a couple of months but I just don't see it happening because Vince knows it just isn't good for business since there isn't a huge fan base for Kane, like there is for other superstars like The Undertaker and HBK and many others.

Wouldn't it be great to back that up with actual stats? Or #'s? How is pushing Kane going to be bad for business? Who decides whether Kane has a large fan base?

Obviously, you ignore the fact that in '03 Kane had the highest rated segments on Raw following his unmasking and feud with Shane. His marriage to Lita was also one of the higher rated segments of Raw in '04, it drew very close to a 5.0 in the ratings column. Vince decided to put Kane in a movie, the lead movie for WWE films with See No Evil, which is really the only WWE movie thus far that hasn't been an epic failure and has made more money when looking at theater and DVD revenue than the Marine or the Condemned. Oh, and Kane just won a voting poll on WWE's website about who should be the face of Smackdown! with something to the extent of 22% drawing more votes than the likes of Rey and Undertaker. Yes, I voted lol.

Not trying to get on your back, but I just didn't understand how you could seemingly be so sure that pushing Kane would be bad for business? Would it cost Vince money? Would ratings drop? Past instances have proven that when pushed hard, Kane can actually be a success in many key areas that are considered "good" business. So, how is pushing Kane bad for business? I just don't understand the logic there.
 
Wouldn't it be great to back that up with actual stats? Or #'s? How is pushing Kane going to be bad for business? Who decides whether Kane has a large fan base?

Obviously, you ignore the fact that in '03 Kane had the highest rated segments on Raw following his unmasking and feud with Shane. His marriage to Lita was also one of the higher rated segments of Raw in '04, it drew very close to a 5.0 in the ratings column. Vince decided to put Kane in a movie, the lead movie for WWE films with See No Evil, which is really the only WWE movie thus far that hasn't been an epic failure and has made more money when looking at theater and DVD revenue than the Marine or the Condemned. Oh, and Kane just won a voting poll on WWE's website about who should be the face of Smackdown! with something to the extent of 22% drawing more votes than the likes of Rey and Undertaker. Yes, I voted lol.

Not trying to get on your back, but I just didn't understand how you could seemingly be so sure that pushing Kane would be bad for business? Would it cost Vince money? Would ratings drop? Past instances have proven that when pushed hard, Kane can actually be a success in many key areas that are considered "good" business. So, how is pushing Kane bad for business? I just don't understand the logic there.

While that's all well and great, it doesn't save Kane from the following sad truth... There is absolutely nothing left for him to do. I mean, what does Kane possibly have left to start a feud over? He's already worked with Jericho, Mysterio, Edge, Taker, Umaga, CM Punk. There really isn't too much left for Kane to do.

Besides that, the WWE still isn't sure how to use Kane. I still have yet to know whether or not Kane is a heel or face right now, so I usually just refer to him as a tweener. Kane's actually pretty adept at cutting a good promo, but he really doesn't much time to do so. I feel that when he begun his heel turn in, what, September, he actually started off decently. The whole "is he alive or dead?" thing actually made me care about Kane. I thought it would signal the return, if perhaps only in storyline, of this man....

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And call me strange, but I feel like bringing Paul back may actually redeem Kane's career right now.

Imagine this for a storyline.... Kane wrestles CM Punk, and winds up losing to Punk. From out of nowhere, the lights go out, and Paul comes from the back. He looks at Kane, and proceeds to show Kane his old mask. Kane looks puzzled for a second in the ring, but eventually follows his father. From here, Kane is not seen or heard from for a few months.

And in those months, Glenn Jacobs does something he is in dire need of.... Getting into some type of muscular build. Yes, Glenn as he is right now is fairly intimidating. I mean, he's 6'10", and weighs 300 pounds. How can't he be intimidating? But to build him back up as a terrifying image, he really needs a muscular build. Let's compare the look of Kane.

Consider Kane of 2003:

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Now let's look at modern day Kane:

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The pictures speak for themselves. I'm not going to say Kane wasn't on steroids at 2003, but you must confess, he was jacked in 2003. It added a bit to the intimidation, I believe.

And when he does come back, I foresee him completely clearing house of a group of wrestlers in the ring. Perhaps have a six man tag match, or maybe an eight man tag. In the midst of the match, the lights go out, and there's silence for a few seconds. The traditional Kane organ plays, and out comes a mask-donning, old costume wearing Kane. Of course, with Paul Bearer in tow. He doesn't have to stay on the road all the time, WWE can choose how many times they use Paul. Kane goes on such a tear for a certain amount of months, just attacking people at random. It gets to the point that only one man is capable of stopping the Big Red Monster.

That man would be The Undertaker. It sets up what will be the last duel between these two, and possibly Kane's last match, all to take place at Wrestlemania 26.

Kane can be used properly. The WWE just must realize how to use him.
 
Kane isn't on Smackdown mostly because he's probably resting some nagging injuries while creative figures out what he'll do next.

As far as what he'll do next, it's quite obvious. He'll job, he'll job, and he'll job some more. That, and he'll look great in the ring while he's doing it. He's one of the few left who can tell an actual story in the ring, and make the worst wrestlers *cough Mark Henry cough* into legitimate threats. If it wasn't for Kane Mark Henry would not be considered near the threat he is in ECW. Kane made him look like gold, which in turn made it seem all the more impressive when Matt Hardy beat him to defend his ECW title.

Kane is one of the few wrestlers his age that understands that his time in the main event is really quite over. He's still over with the crowd, which is a feat considering he hasn't really one a major match in a while. Why else would someone that old be in MITB during Wrestlemania with everyone doing flips and kicks around him? Because he knows what he's doing, and what he has to do.

Be patient. He'll be back, ready to help out his company for a few more years.
 
Well i have heard his contract might expire in June but I agree he hasnt made an impact.He is probably resting up or he is not needed currently with Jeff Hardy Vs Edge. I was hoping on May 19th he would appear on ECW and wreck havoc.
 
Well there was another thread around recently arguing that a while off television would be good for Kane, and already considering its been noticed... its beginning to work.

Give it a little while longer and a return for Kane could be the greatest thing possible after a long layoff. A few vignettes and then a surprise return at the point where you wouldn't expect it. I can't think of any examples off the top of my head, but something that will ignite interest in Kane again is most definitely needed because right now the character has been sadly stale.

On a side-note, I miss the mask...

I'd love to see Kane's absence being explained in a few vignettes too, and since the WWE is supposedly Entertainment, I can't see any reason not to have an incident where Kane is badly disfigured by, let's say, Mike Knox.
The WWE Films division has access to tons of cool stuff, like special effect fire, and prosthetic make-up, so staging a scene where Kane is badly burned on his face, showing a glimpse of his injuries in horrific HD friendly make-up, and then having him return wearing his mask would work for me.
If I recall right, the WWE had plans to use prosthetic make-up when he removed his mask originally, that didn't work out because the sweat and wear and tear during the matches would quickly ruin the whole thing, but there's no reason they can't use it in vignettes, where the cuts will enable quick repair of the appliances. Just a thought I came up with.

Peace out.
 
Wouldn't it be great to back that up with actual stats? Or #'s? How is pushing Kane going to be bad for business? Who decides whether Kane has a large fan base?

Pushing Kane is going to be bad for business because he doesn't have a huge fan base that goes out and buys his merchandise or buys a ppv to see him, not the other performers. It’s bad for business to move someone out of the Main Event scene who actually draws consistently for the company and let them be replaced by someone who is not a consistent draw. The WWE wants someone in the main event who always brings in a lot of money to the company and Kane simply does not fill that bill.


Obviously, you ignore the fact that in '03 Kane had the highest rated segments on Raw following his unmasking and feud with Shane. His marriage to Lita was also one of the higher rated segments of Raw in '04, it drew very close to a 5.0 in the ratings column.

You seem to ignore the fact that those ratings he pulled in where for just Temporarily, he was able to pull in great ratings for a small amount of time…so he wasn’t a consistent ratings draw. And how is that information relevant to the discussion, he was able to pull in those ratings before, and that was before. We are talking about now , the present in where he just can’t draw ratings like that anymore.

Vince decided to put Kane in a movie, the lead movie for WWE films with See No Evil, which is really the only WWE movie thus far that hasn't been an epic failure and has made more money when looking at theater and DVD revenue than the Marine or the Condemned.

You are very funny. The only movie that Kane beat in the box office was The Condemned, so therefore yes it was an epic failure. Every movie excluding The Condemned has made more money than See No Evil in both theater and DVD revenue. Here is a link to where you can find that my information is right and yours is completely incorrect regarding Kane pulling in more money than any other WWE produced film: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WWE_Films.

Oh, and Kane just won a voting poll on WWE's website about who should be the face of Smackdown! with something to the extent of 22% drawing more votes than the likes of Rey and Undertaker. Yes, I voted lol.

So how does that help your argument again?

Not trying to get on your back, but I just didn't understand how you could seemingly be so sure that pushing Kane would be bad for business? Would it cost Vince money? Would ratings drop? Past instances have proven that when pushed hard, Kane can actually be a success in many key areas that are considered "good" business. So, how is pushing Kane bad for business? I just don't understand the logic there.

Thanks for not trying to get on my back, if you were heavy it might hurt me. Now all Jokes aside I think I am sure that pushing Kane would be bad for business because lets say for example they start pushing him hard and he is able to pull in some decent numbers, after a while he gets stale and the fans get bored of him so the ratings start to drop, and that his been the case before.

Remember everything I’ve written is coming from a Kane fan, he’s not in my top 5 but he is definitely one of my favorites, possibly in the top 10 or 15.
 
Pushing Kane is going to be bad for business because he doesn't have a huge fan base that goes out and buys his merchandise or buys a ppv to see him, not the other performers. It’s bad for business to move someone out of the Main Event scene who actually draws consistently for the company and let them be replaced by someone who is not a consistent draw. The WWE wants someone in the main event who always brings in a lot of money to the company and Kane simply does not fill that bill.




You seem to ignore the fact that those ratings he pulled in where for just Temporarily, he was able to pull in great ratings for a small amount of time…so he wasn’t a consistent ratings draw. And how is that information relevant to the discussion, he was able to pull in those ratings before, and that was before. We are talking about now , the present in where he just can’t draw ratings like that anymore.



You are very funny. The only movie that Kane beat in the box office was The Condemned, so therefore yes it was an epic failure. Every movie excluding The Condemned has made more money than See No Evil in both theater and DVD revenue. Here is a link to where you can find that my information is right and yours is completely incorrect regarding Kane pulling in more money than any other WWE produced film: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WWE_Films.



So how does that help your argument again?



Thanks for not trying to get on my back, if you were heavy it might hurt me. Now all Jokes aside I think I am sure that pushing Kane would be bad for business because lets say for example they start pushing him hard and he is able to pull in some decent numbers, after a while he gets stale and the fans get bored of him so the ratings start to drop, and that his been the case before.

Remember everything I’ve written is coming from a Kane fan, he’s not in my top 5 but he is definitely one of my favorites, possibly in the top 10 or 15.

Just a side note here, your own source says that only the Marine did better than See No Evil in theaters and yet you said everything did better except for the Condemned? Second, as far as the DVD, you're looking only at rental revenue and not actual DVD sales. See No Evil did over 45 million dollars in DVD sales. The Marine did 26 million. The Condemned did 22 million. Check the-numbers.com. Add that to the rentals, and See No Evil is much more successful. I tried to point out that of all WWE films, See No Evil has clearly made the most money. That counts Box Office, DVD rentals, and DVD sales. It is clearly the most successful of the bunch. Maybe that's my own fault for not being a little clearer. But again, your own source says See No Evil just in terms of box office made more than Condemned and 12 rounds, so.

But again, that's a side note because it has nothing to do with the WWE product.

Back on track, here's my point. Is Jeff Hardy drawing in the main event on Smackdown!? Is he a ratings draw? Absolutely not. To be entirely honest, the biggest ratings draw on Smackdown! is likely Rey Mysterio, because at least it's been documented and noticed by those within the WWE that he helps big time in bringing in Spanish viewers, which is an important demographic. Aside from that, I believe certain superstars can draw in certain situations, and that's exactly what was proved by Kane's past. It has been proven that he can draw given certain angles. That's not to say others can't, but it is meant to say it's not a total gamble or an impossibility. Heck, I'm sure JBL was never a big ratings draw on Smackown! and he had the longest title reign in Smackdown! history. I'm sure the Great Khali wasn't a ratings draw either. In todays age, there is no Stone Cold, no Rock, no Hogan. The ratings are a reflection of the overall product and not one guy. And honestly, I have no reason to believe that ratings would go down by pushing Kane. If Vince thought that, he would've never tried to push Kane against Edge two years ago. And that was planned out to be a feud that was to last all Summer had Edge not got hurt. So obviously Vince didn't know it was bad for business then, and not much has changed with Kane since then. He's still in the same position, so I doubt it would hurt.
 
I am also a huge Kane fan, and really hope he gets one more push before he decides to hang up his boots. Since getting drafted to Smackdown, he's only had that ''Fatal Four way Elimination'' match for the #1 Contendership for the World Heavyweight Championship and that match against Kane at Backlash. Since then, Kane has been nowhere to be seen. But remember this... Undertaker has been nowhere to be seen since being pummeled by The Big Show. Hopefully we can have one last Kane/Undertaker storyline. Now, I'm tired of seeing WWE making superstars betray their partner and later fueding with them. We see that enough.

If and when Undertaker and Kane returns, I would love to see them team with each other and even have a few matches against each other. Except I do not want to see one turning their back on the other. Just a match between two ''brothers'', who respect each other put in all on the line to give us a show we'll be sure to remember.

Thing is though, the whole "Brother versus Brother" thing has been done to death with them, Wrestlemania 14, 15 and 20 anyone? And probably countless matches in between.

On a personal note, I would like to see Kane go to TNA, although the only good thing to come out of that would the "dream" match of Kane Vs Abyss, and even then it would have to be masked Kane who fought Abyss for it to actually mean anything.
 
I think Kanes character can be a main eventer if he was remasked. i mean all his old fans would want that so he'd be cheered on by them. and since mostly kids watch the show now they can learn to like him if hes a face.

kids can like him because youngsters like people mith masks. im pretty sure rey mysterio wouldnt be as famous if he didnt have a mask for example. and in my opinion kanes mask has been the best mask ive ever seen in wrestling.
 
JR said on one of his blogs that Kane is fit and healthy but he's just not being used on TV at the moment and that he will probably return before 'Taker and HBK. I think he's probably taking a break (well earned too imo) and allowing some nagging injuries to heal while creative think up something for his return. JR said he'll be relied upon in order to help elevate Smackdown (granted what JR says doesn't mean anything's set in stone) so I hope he will be put to good use...
 
I think he very well deserves some time off. I really can not remember the last time he was out with an injury or wasn't seen on TV for a long time. Anyways he will probably be back sooner than Shawn and 'Taker or at least I think. I haven't heard of him having an injury or anything like that. I think it is just a case of creative having nothing for him to do so. I think he will probably be back sooner than Shawn and 'Taker and he will continue to do what he was previously doing: Jobbing to up and coming stars or just jobbing to the stars. There might be a possibility that he has a main event run for a little bit with whomever the heel with the title is if Hardy doesn't sign an extension, takes some time off, or just doesn't sign a new contract.
 

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