John Cena VS CM Punk: Iron Man Match

[CM Steel]

The rivalry between John Cena & CM Punk has been going on for over a year now feuding over the WWE title and over being the face of the WWE. In the last Cena/Punk showdown this year at the Night of Champions pay per-view we saw the match come out as a draw, with CM Punk retaining the WWE championship in Boston. And since then Punk has gone on to feud with John Cena & Ryback in the coming months.

But what if in the future we saw the final fight showdown between Cena & Punk for the WWE title? In the ultimate grudge match: An Iron Man Match! The "I Quit" is more of a John Cena specialty match and the ladder match is more of a CM Punk specialty. And when was the last time that we've seen a iron man match? The last one to memory was that one iron man match between John Cena & Randy Orton with no DQ rules. With John Cena as the winner.

So an iron man match would be the ultimate set-up for an epic main event match between these two WWE champions! And plus I think that the WWE retired the "three stages of hell" match? Maybe because it would be to long for an average WWE-PG fan?

Thoughts?

 

[BigThunder]

I'd love to see an Iron Man match between Cena and Punk. Though I tend to think of "hell in a cell" as the ultimate blowoff match.

What was the final match for the Orton-Cena feud? Wasn't it an "I quit" match? Or a "respect" match (apologies to Brian Pillman)?

 

[CM Steel]

I'd love to see an Iron Man match between Cena and Punk. Though I tend to think of "hell in a cell" as the ultimate blowoff match.

What was the final match for the Orton-Cena feud? Wasn't it an "I quit" match? Or a "respect" match (apologies to Brian Pillman)?

No the final match between Cena & Orton was a no DQ iron man match at Vengence a few short years ago. The "I quit" was the first match of the feud between Cena & Orton at the one awful WWE PPV "Breaking Point" Big Thunder.
Remember?

 

[Fansince1992]

Probably won't happen, but i'd like to see Cena vs Punk in a title unification match. What about Cena claiming the Money in the Bank case at the upcoming TLC. Cashing in the contract on Big Show and winning the WHC.

Then the big Showdown CM Punk (WWE Champion) vs John Cena (World Heavyweight Champion) for the undisputed championship. The match could even have a stipulation like an Iron Man Match, or Hell in a Cell.

 

[jrush1978]

No the final match between Cena & Orton was a no DQ iron man match at Vengence a few short years ago. The "I quit" was the first match of the feud between Cena & Orton at the one awful WWE PPV "Breaking Point" Big Thunder.
Remember?

Unless there were 2 IM matches it was at Bragging Rights in Pittsburgh, I was there live and it wasnt a bad match. I'd like to see an Iron Man match between Punk & Cena but I have to admit, I'd like to see it as a non-title match. Punk has to lose the belt sometime and I think this would be a great main event if you didnt have the WWE title defended for whatever reason (like the original idea for Survivor Series) but I just am not in the mood right now for another Punk-Cena main event. Yes the last time they went one on one it was a draw but what about all the times before and since in regular and 3-way matches. Cena was involved in the 3-Way Dance with Ryback, ditto with Big Show at Summerslam, they went on on one at Raw 1000, and just going from memory I believe Punk went over Cena in 2011 at MIB and SummerSlam. For me thats just too much, I liked the angle before Hell In A Cell when Punk & Heyman were touting how many chances Cena had to get. I think they should put in the storyline for Cena to have to win some non title matches (unless he wins the Rumble obviously kayfabe) at big cards to prove he's worthy of a title shot, heck you could even play up how at the 2 biggest cards of the year (WM & Summerslam) Cena is 0-4 in the past 2 years, make him need some victories.

 

[Jack-Hammer]

I've voiced interest in seeing this match as well. Depending upon how things go over the next 4 or 5 months, this match has a good chance of actually taking place.

I think most people expect The Rock to beat CM Punk to become champion at the Royal Rumble and it might very well happen. It's something that's up in the air, however, because The Rock has such a busy schedule and there are drawbacks to him winning. It means there'll be no WWE Championship matches at any house shows during WM season and The Rock himself won't be on Raw each and every week during WM season. The WWE could always do some sort of taped interviews with The Rock & show him up on the big screen but that simply doesn't have the effect. However, according to reports, The Rock is scheduled to wrestle during the Elimination Chamber ppv. That doesn't mean that he'll wrestle as WWE Champion, but I'm betting he'll be involved in the WWE Championship EC match at the event. If all the reports are true, it's going to be Cena vs. Rock II. Having the match be for the WWE Championship, in my opinion, simply won't add anything to their match. If anything, it'll take something away from it. After WM, The Rock is going away again so you know he's not walking out of the event as WWE Champion. I think most people are expecting Cena to win anyhow to even things up, so the title isn't necessary. Personally, I'd rather CM Punk retained against The Rock. From the standpoint of a fan, I think Punk's done too much for the title and has been too good a champion for WWE to have him roll over to the almighty Rock so he can have a vanity run. From a realistic point of view, I can see potential benefits and downsides to Rock being champ. A possible benefit is the novelty of seeing The Rock as WWE Champion for the first time in nearly a decade, which could be a significant draw during WM season. I think one downside, as I said earlier, involves Cena vs. Rock II becoming extremely predictable with the title taking something away from their rematch rather than adding something to it.

If CM Punk remains WWE Champion after WrestleMania, then I fully expect his feud with John Cena to resume not too long after. Since Punk has gotten the better of Cena all in all over the course of their feud, something like an Iron Man Match is a way to blow off their feud and deliver some big bragging rights. I think such a match would be highly entertaining and I'd fully expect Cena to win. Come WM, John Cena will have gone without being WWE Champion for almost 18 months and I don't see 2013 ending without John Cena as WWE Champion once again. With Cena's health & condition becoming more of a concern with WWE officials, Cena might just have one more run as champ left in him.

 

[The Fabulous Rougeau's]

I don't remember the way the Cena/Orton Iron Man Match played out, but I can't imagine it being that good of a match. With Cena's limited move set he spends most of his matches on the recieving end and than does his thing at the end to win a match. In an Iron Man match you need two guys who can go back and fourth because you can't have one guy beating the other for 50 minutes.

I will try to rewatch the Cena/Orton match, because as I said I don't remember it and it could have been a solid match where Cena expanded his move set and carried a decent amount of the match.

 

[The_Main_Event]

I personally would love to see this to be the "blowoff" match between the 2, the 2 have great chemistry with each other, I personally really wanted to see Cena vs Punk inside HIAC this year, I'm not a fan of Gimmicks PPV's but if those 2 had go inside HIAC 1 on 1 I geuninely think it would have been a worthy match and they would've produced the goods so to speak

 

[Little Jerry Lawler]

No the final match between Cena & Orton was a no DQ iron man match at Vengence a few short years ago. The "I quit" was the first match of the feud between Cena & Orton at the one awful WWE PPV "Breaking Point" Big Thunder.
Remember?

1. The final match wasn't at Vengeance. It was at Bragging Rights.

2. The first match of their feud was at Summerslam.

Glad I got that out of the way.

I don't see the point of it. Whatever you want to see in 60 minutes can be accomplished in 25 or 30 minutes. That's why I'm not a fan of iron man matches. If I can get great action in half the time, why do I need twice the time?

 

[Hard Hit Prince]

That match does not need to happen! CM Punk vs. John Cena has been going now for over a year, I'm sick and tired of both to be honest. Great wrestlers, great performers in their own right but what else can they exploit? I hope they just forget that the other exist for a while in the future, save it for a SummerSlam in two years, make them go into separate ways and maybe, just maybe do it in other circumstances.

I enjoy Iron-Man Matches when there are reasons for it, when there are personal reason for a match like that to happen and I can't see none in the WWE right now for that. CM Punk is not the type of heel that really gets into your skin, he's just an annoying heel and that's one of the problems with characters nowadays. In order for that match to happen, I believe that Cena needs to be the one to go heel, and I don't see that happening in the near future.

 

[Kodo Sawaki]

The feud has been done to obscurity. It should been over to HiAC this year but Cenas operation happened and that was postponed to that tripple threat at Sumerslam with the adicion of Ryback. It was reported that it could happen that at Wrestlemania it could be Rock/Punk/Cena tripple threat and i like to end it with that but it could be postponed to some other PPV after that. Iron man match would be allright to my opinion. "I quit" is to predictable because Cena will never lose to that one(you know, because of "Never give up" and all ) so "Iron Man" will be allright in terms of finally ending the feud...

But we will see, it looks like they are setting things little appart with possibility of Cena getting that briefcase and you never know with "Road to Wrestlemania" where it will end.

 

[Wolf Pac]

And plus I think that the WWE retired the "three stages of hell" match?

They didn't retire the Three Stages Of Hell match, it was last booked at The Bash 2009 for Randy Orton & Triple H.

I'd prefer if they blow off their feud with the Three Stages Of Hell match instead. They were originally supposed to end it at Hell In A Cell inside the HIAC match but that didn't happen, then I believe they were supposed to blow it off at TLC instead in a Tables, Ladders & Chairs match but that isn't happening either, a Three Stages Of Hell match could make up for both of that by having the 1st fall be a normal regular match or maybe a Street Fight match, the 2nd fall a Steel Cage match instead of the Hell In A Cell cause HIAC is too big on it's own for it to be part of a Three Stages Of Hell but a Steel Cage match is basically a mini-version of a HIAC match, and the 3rd and final fall a Tables, Ladders & Chairs match.

This feud between Cena & Punk has been so heated for the last year that it needs to end with both men killing each other for all the shit they've put each other through, not straight up wrestling each other for 60 minutes.

 

[Steve-O-Matt]

My God man, I swear, I posted on here a while ago that Cena and Punk should have a Ironman match to end their feud. Almost exactly the same as you suggested, I wish I could find the post and show ya...

So CLEARLY, I wanted one to go down. I think it was a couple months back, it was around the time when WreslteZone was reporting that the Punk vs. Cena feud was ending soon, which was when I came up with the idea. I said Ironman Match at TLC, now that's the not gonna happen now... But it could have, I didn't just say an Ironman match, I said a TLC Ironman match, aaaaaahhh, you see now. First ever of it's kind to end this back and forth between them and to do it in style!

As for now, would I still want a future Ironman match, you bet, but again something like TLC, there needs to be a little icing on the cake, maybe a Tables Ironman match, the counter goes up with every table that gets messed. Since the WWE aren't fond of Ironmans any more, this could probably get them interested. So yeah, I'm down with an Ironman match, with a little extra spice maybe? Hmmm?

You either read my post or read my mind sonny Jim! ;-)

 

[HBsam31]

First let me say that I really wanted to see Punk and Daniel Bryan's feud end in an ironman match. That would have been a wrestling clinic. On to the topic, I agree with Jack Hammer in that the match is actually very possible. I also can see 2013 ending without a Cena title run, and being that Punk has mostly gotten the best out of Cena I could see the feud ending in Cena winning the title in said ironman match. I also like the idea, although I don't think it will happen, of Punk and Cena in a title unification ironman match. I don't think the Cena Punk rivalry has ever properly came to a close, and we have not seen an iron man match in a little while so I am all for it.

 

[rb286]

An Ironman match between the two would be very entertaining and I'd love to see it but I think its too early for it yet. They've already had numerous matches this year already so it might be abit of an overkill to see these two wrestle yet again. Someone earlier mentioned two years time, I think thats a perfect amount of time for them not to wrestle each other in the ring and get us viewers yearning for another match between the two. Making it an Ironman match would be an extra novelty.

 

[wooooo]

Like someone else has said I'd rather see Punk vs Bryan in an ironman match, they could actually wrestle for an hour whereas Cena vs Orton had to be a no dq spotfest.

 

[Icon_316]

I think both Punk and Cena would be able to go in an iron man match. These two definitely get the best ring work out of each other. No question that Punk has the stamina to do it. Even though Orton carried the match him and Cena had at Bragging Rights 2009, it was still a watchable match. It doesn't necessarily have to be a PPV match either, with the third hour Raw ratings seeing a decline they could easily take the last hour for an iron man match.

 

[baldjedi]

Years ago Booker T and Chris Benoit did a Best of 7 series. Somehow this would be very interesting to see, and if you did it over the summer that would keep the intrigue of the rivalry going, especially if they took a break from it from Royal Rumble to Wrestlemania. You could have the final match culminate at SummerSlam. I would be happy if it wasn't for the title too.

 

[HBKistheHOF]

I wish this was the main event for Survivor Series. Punk & Cena never really ended what was the most prolific feud in WWE in several years & an epic conclusion like this is what they really need. I hope it happens before Punk is gone.

I can honestly say that this is #1 of a very short list of matches I even slightly care to see from John Cena before he stops 'wrestling'.

John Cena Matches I want to see before he retires:

#1 - Iron Man Match: vs. CM Punk
#2 - Wrestlemania: vs. The Undertaker
#3 - WWE Championship Match: vs. Dean Ambrose
#4 - WWE Championship Match: vs. Daniel Bryan

 

[Kidpolean]

I wish this was the main event for Survivor Series. Punk & Cena never really ended what was the most prolific feud in WWE in several years & an epic conclusion like this is what they really need. I hope it happens before Punk is gone.

I can honestly say that this is #1 of a very short list of matches I even slightly care to see from John Cena before he stops 'wrestling'.

John Cena Matches I want to see before he retires:

#1 - Iron Man Match: vs. CM Punk
#2 - Wrestlemania: vs. The Undertaker
#3 - WWE Championship Match: vs. Dean Ambrose
#4 - WWE Championship Match: vs. Daniel Bryan

out of all the people cena could face you want to see him vs ambrose for the title....WHY...Ambrose and WWE championship shouldnt even be mentioned in the same sentence. The guy isnt anything special he is just very good at acting unstable. His in ring skills are about average for a wwe wrestler and he doesnt have a great look. Dont get me wrong, I like Ambrose but I dont understand the hype

 

[CrucifiedRaven]

It seems like CM Punk is always in the shadow of John Cena.

I think the only time CM Punk went over John Cena cleanly was Money in the Bank 2011, no? And this was at the heigh of CM Punk's popularity.

After that we had SummerSlam 2011 with the missed foot on the rope. RAW 1,000 was a DQ. SummerSlam 2012 Big Show got pinned. Night of Champions was the draw. Survivor Series had the Shield/Ryback Shellshocked. Cena even beat CM Punk clean in a non-title match on RAW somewhere in their too.

I think if they have a final blowoff, Punk needs to win. It will finally allow him to step out of the shadow and move on. And it really won't matter for Cena. Cena should be in the "put others over" mode now, I believe anyways.

 

[makeitvab]

MitB wasn't clean either, Cena had Punk dead to rights middle of the ring in an STF and let it go to run up ramp and attack Big John to prevent a screwjob finish. Punk then hit returning to ring Cena w/ a GTS IIRC

 

[THE Great GAMMA]

First of all I agree with Crucified Raven. Punk has been in Cena’s shadow. However clean or not Punk has beaten Cena. And something that I thought was a total travesty was in the build up to the Night of Champions Match WWE made it seem like Punk had to validate himself and his reign by beating Cena (Again)
Again I agree with Crucified Raven in that the Iron Man match must be used to get Punk more over. However I do not see it as the blow-off of the fued but rather the tool to end it and make both guys look like even bigger mega-stars.
I know that i’m going to get the eye roll from some guys for posting this.
Why not rehash an old ROH storyline that actually involved CM Punk. It was Punk vs Samoa Joe (not gona explain in detail, google it). Basic premise is they wrestled twice going to a 60 minute time limit draw. And the third match had no time limit and there was a result at the 75 minute mark i think.
Now onto Cena vs Punk. And the beauty of this is that it doesn’t even have to be for the title. Why not have them have two iron man matches both of them they throw everything at eachother and have it end 0-0 (this hasn’t been done in WWE since the HBK vs Bret Hart). After these two matches make it that both (and this is important BOTH) guys become obsessed with finally finding out who is the best. And then in the final match you have Punk go over and they shake hands (or whatever) and move onto someone/something else.

 

[TWJC: The Beginning]

I don't remember the way the Cena/Orton Iron Man Match played out, but I can't imagine it being that good of a match. With Cena's limited move set he spends most of his matches on the recieving end and than does his thing at the end to win a match. In an Iron Man match you need two guys who can go back and fourth because you can't have one guy beating the other for 50 minutes.

I will try to rewatch the Cena/Orton match, because as I said I don't remember it and it could have been a solid match where Cena expanded his move set and carried a decent amount of the match.

Is this a joke? Is this a post from 2005? Cena has gone a long time many times. Like 4 years ago Alvarez, who works for Meltzer (inventor of TEH WURKRATEZ AND TEH FIVE STARZ) said if you question Cena's in ring talents you lose credibility. Cena can go, Orton and Cena tell more of a story in their mannerisms and selling than most indy guys do with 100 moves crammed into 10 minutes.

Anyway, I'd LOVE to see Punk/Cena for an hour. The PG audience would definately be able to handle it. It's two characters they really like and two guys who work well together.

First of all I agree with Crucified Raven. Punk has been in Cena’s shadow. However clean or not Punk has beaten Cena. And something that I thought was a total travesty was in the build up to the Night of Champions Match WWE made it seem like Punk had to validate himself and his reign by beating Cena (Again)
Again I agree with Crucified Raven in that the Iron Man match must be used to get Punk more over. However I do not see it as the blow-off of the fued but rather the tool to end it and make both guys look like even bigger mega-stars.
I know that i’m going to get the eye roll from some guys for posting this.
Why not rehash an old ROH storyline that actually involved CM Punk. It was Punk vs Samoa Joe (not gona explain in detail, google it). Basic premise is they wrestled twice going to a 60 minute time limit draw. And the third match had no time limit and there was a result at the 75 minute mark i think.
Now onto Cena vs Punk. And the beauty of this is that it doesn’t even have to be for the title. Why not have them have two iron man matches both of them they throw everything at eachother and have it end 0-0 (this hasn’t been done in WWE since the HBK vs Bret Hart). After these two matches make it that both (and this is important BOTH) guys become obsessed with finally finding out who is the best. And then in the final match you have Punk go over and they shake hands (or whatever) and move onto someone/something else.

More like 35. They used brilliant learned psychology. Instead of pacing themselves, one of them (Joe I think) pushed the pace and landed a lot of huge stuff early and it turned into a bloodier match. The most well known 75 minute ROH match I know of is when Bryan Danielson worked a goddamn miracle and used Austin Aries' inconsistent selling to tell a beautiful story.

 

[THE Great GAMMA]

@TWJC thanks for clarifying for me I got a little confused there. But the basic premise is the same. The two iron man matches and then the big pay off where Punk comes out on top. The reason for that is not because I'm a Cena hater but because the E needs to have another star at Cena's level to take some of the work load off of him. And Punk is the closest to being that over.