Jason Campbell

[Big Sexy]

So, I can't help but notice you're a Lions fan, and as a result you saying you tried defending Harrington is suppose to mean.. .. what, again?

Well, it must not mean much, because you contradicted yourself within this small statement. First, you said you gave him 'every' chance to succeed. Then you said you 'would defend him'. Only to end it by saying he just isn't good. That doesn't sound like defending him, and giving him every chance, to me.

I didn't contradict myself anywhere. I said I DID defend him and DID give him every chance. But after a while you just realiza a guy isn't cut out to be a starter in the NFL.

Uhm, okay so we have a RB that had ONE breakout (rookie) campaign. Since then, dropped off the map. And a single star WR, that had 1 1,000 season and a lot of pitiful forgettable ones thereafter.

Joey Harrington was suppose to thrive with that? How, again?

A 34 year old Jon Kitna who had been cast away from Cincinnati and really only had one great season in his whole career came in, took the exact same talent and had a season better the Joey ever had in Detroit. I wasn't asking for Joey to be a pro bowler with a quarterback rating over 90 every year, but a rating of at least 80 would have been nice at least once.

Below average?

According to the stats.. let's see..

lost his first three starts.. before leading the Dolphins to 5 consecutive victories. In which, he had multiple games with more TDs than INTs, and a QB rating over 100. (solo, against his former team - on National tv)

Doesn't really sound below average, to me.

Yes, below average He started 11 games, had a quarterback rating above 80 only twice, threw more tds then ints only twice, and his total stats were abysmal. 57.5 completion percentage, 2236 yards, 12 tds to 15 ints, and a quarterback rating of 68.2. Let me repeat that, 68.2. How is that not below average? 68. fucking 2. His numbers in Miami were worse then those in Detroit.

Uhm, actually it was his stay in Atlanta that proved to be his best.. ever. It was simply piss poor Coaching, and the in-ability to take blame for anything on that same Coaching Staff.. that lead to them releasing Joey.

He played in 13 games. Of those games, he played 6 without throwing a single INT. Of those games, he also had 4 different games of which he had QB ratings over 100. (and two more that were 87. and 93.)

Again, arguably a much better Season stat-wise, in Atlanta, than his previous ones. However, due to a poor win/loss record - Atlanta decided Harrington was the problem, and released him. (They went on to lose all of their remaining games, except for their Season finale against Seattle.)

I agree this was Harrington's best season maybe second best, but it still wasn't good. He threw more ints then tds again, 7 tds and 8 ints. His quarterback rating was under 80 again. Not to mention an average qb in Chris Redman finished the season as the starter and obviously with the exact same talent put up great numbers. He put up 10 tds in 4 starts compared to Joey's 7 in 10 starts. Redman also had a qb rating over 90.

Joey Harrington had one good season and three fairly shitty ones in Detroit. He then goes to Miami and is bad there. The he has one season in the ATL and has an average year. Jason Campbell is much better then Joey Harrington and there isn't a logical debate that can be made otherwise. And saying a 68.2 rating in Miami isn't a below average year is not a logical argument. Joey doesn't completely suck, he is just average. There is no denying that.

The only thing Campbell has done better, has been throwing for more total yds. He's had two Seasons, his previous two - mind you, in which he's thrown for over 3,000 yds.

He has also thrown less picks and had a much much better completion percentage.

So, through stats Campbell seems to be IMPROVING. And I'll give him that. Yet, under the right circumstances, Harrington isn't a failure. And could be a very good back-up. Which is the point, I'm making.

No, you said Joey was better then Campbell and that is false. Joey can be a solid back up and I will never deny that, but Campbell can still be a starter in this league.

 

[TheOneBigWill]

BS; the key in all of that was you saying Campbell can be a start in this league. Unless its Oakland, or Buffalo, he'll never start again. (not intentionally, anyways)

 

[Ty Burna]

So am I the only one that would take Jason Campbell?

I would.

 

[Minor League Brian]

I would.

But only because you've got AP to dominate people, I mean he is better then Jackson but it goes back to what I said. A run first offense, and a damn good one, JC will be successful.

 

[Big Sexy]

BS; the key in all of that was you saying Campbell can be a start in this league. Unless its Oakland, or Buffalo, he'll never start again. (not intentionally, anyways)

There are 32 teams in the NFL so for all you math majors out there that is 32 starting quarterbacks. I'd like you to name me 32 better qbs in the league then Jason Campbell. Shit, I'd like you to name me 20.

 

[Smooth Sexual Chocolate]

I cant believe there's over 50 posts in this thread on Jason Fuckin' Campbell, this is probably the most attention he'll ever receive. I gotta Agree with Will on this, He's not starting anywhere but Oakland, and even if he signed with Oakland, He would still be shit.

 

[Smooth Sexual Chocolate]

I'd take San Diego backup Billy Volek over Campbell.

 

[Big Sexy]

But only because you've got AP to dominate people, I mean he is better then Jackson but it goes back to what I said. A run first offense, and a damn good one, JC will be successful.

Exactly and there is nothing wrong with that. I've never claimed that Campbell is going to be a great, pro bowl quarterback. But he can still be a more then serviceable starter in this league.

Edit: BTW Campbell didn't do a bad job at all this last year and he didn't have much of a running game.

 

[Ty Burna]

But only because you've got AP to dominate people, I mean he is better then Jackson but it goes back to what I said. A run first offense, and a damn good one, JC will be successful.

Here's the thing, Jackson already had AP and we made the playoffs because of Frerotte's veteran play on the field. He wasn't spectacular but he didn't need to be, just had to make enough plays to get first downs when necessary. Then Jackson came in against Arizona and got 4 TD passes because Arizona's pass d was shit at the time. He still only had 190 yards passing that game, Peterson did all the hard work in getting the ball into the red zone and Jackson just had to complete an 8 yard pass for a TD every time. We basically made the playoffs in spite of Jackson being our QB, and it still pisses me off we didn't let Frerotte start against Philly, we probably would have won that game.

JC meanwhile, has shown enough to me he can be a solid QB. Looking at his career stats, he has a 61.2% completion percentage, 10,860 yards, 55 TDs to 38 INTs and a 82.3 QB rating. Not too shabby, considering he's only actually played 4 years since his rookie year he didn't see the field. Jackson meanwhile hasn't thrown for more than 10 TDs in a season, never thrown over 2,000 yards passing, and tends to get injured when he's the starter. I'd say Campbell would be a great improvement over Jackson, and in a stable environment (with a West Coast Offense that would probably be better for him actually), he could become a very good QB. He mainly needs some stability and have a chance to have more than one year in an offense.

 

[Minor League Brian]

Edit: BTW Campbell didn't do a bad job at all this last year and he didn't have much of a running game.

4-12 speak differently. Most of those stats came in garbage time, but he showed how competitive he can be in the Saints game and the Eagles game, but I mean. He's the king of the dump off, and I'm sorry but 2 good games with that record doesn't earn you a starting job. McNabb had better stats, with 2 less games, a comparable running game, and only 1 receiver who I think is going to drop off with McNabb and his deep ball.

EDIT: No, WCO isn't for JC. He's too slow in his reads and can't make the fast plays. Our offense is now a WCO offense.

 

[Big Sexy]

4-12 speak differently. Most of those stats came in garbage time, but he showed how competitive he can be in the Saints game and the Eagles game, but I mean. He's the king of the dump off, and I'm sorry but 2 good games with that record doesn't earn you a starting job. McNabb had better stats, with 2 less games, a comparable running game, and only 1 receiver who I think is going to drop off with McNabb and his deep ball.

EDIT: No, WCO isn't for JC. He's too slow in his reads and can't make the fast plays. Our offense is now a WCO offense.

Obviously McNabb is a much better qb but that doesn't mean Campbell sucks. There was a lot more wrong with that team last year then him. I still want someone to name me 20 quarterbacks in the league that are currently better then him.

 

[Minor League Brian]

In no meaningfull Order. And yes, what I've seen of Kolb and Moore tells me them > JC.

1. Peyton
2. Brees
3. Brady
4. Rivers
5. Ruthlessraper
6. McNabb
7. Ryan
8. Romo
9. Eli
10. Carson
11. Young
12. Flacco
13. Farve
14. Garrad
15. Stafford
16. Sanchez
17. Moore
18. Kevin Kolb
19. Todd Collins
20. Schaub

 

[Big Sexy]

In no meaningfull Order. And yes, what I've seen of Kolb and Moore tells me them > JC.

1. Peyton
2. Brees
3. Brady
4. Rivers
5. Ruthlessraper
6. McNabb
7. Ryan
8. Romo
9. Eli
10. Carson
11. Young
12. Flacco
13. Farve
14. Garrad
15. Stafford
16. Sanchez
17. Moore
18. Kevin Kolb
19. Todd Collins
20. Schaub

The ones that are in bold I agree. The two italicized (Young and Garrard) I'll give you but they are debatable especially Garrard. The other ones at this point at least aren't better. I need to see more then two starts from a guy like Kolb, especially since one was against KC. I also need to see a full season from Matt Moore. Todd Collins please don't make me laugh. I'm glad the veteran had a nice end to the 2007 season but he is not better then Campbell. And Stafford and Sanchez had horrible numbers last year and at this point in their young careers they are not better then Campbell.

 

[Minor League Brian]

The ones that are in bold I agree. The two italicized (Young and Garrard) I'll give you but they are debatable especially Garrard. The other ones at this point at least aren't better. I need to see more then two starts from a guy like Kolb, especially since one was against KC. I also need to see a full season from Matt Moore. Todd Collins please don't make me laugh. I'm glad the veteran had a nice end to the 2007 season but he is not better then Campbell. And Stafford and Sanchez had horrible numbers last year and at this point in their young careers they are not better then Campbell.

The only one I'd give you is Sanchez, but Collins was better then Collins. Be it because of how long he was in the system or not, but the dude got us into the Playoffs. The only reason he was never started was because Zorn/Cerrato was connected at the hip to JC. It was up to him whether they kept their jobs or not.

Stafford is going to be a beast. The teams always put up numbers to win the game, their defense was just teeeeeeeerible. Sanchez is the only one I'd take down from their.

 

[Big Sexy]

The only one I'd give you is Sanchez, but Collins was better then Collins. Be it because of how long he was in the system or not, but the dude got us into the Playoffs. The only reason he was never started was because Zorn/Cerrato was connected at the hip to JC. It was up to him whether they kept their jobs or not.

Collins is 38 and I doubt he could put together a good 16 game season but he was the perfect veteran presence they needed at the end of the 2007 season.

Stafford is going to be a beast. The teams always put up numbers to win the game, their defense was just teeeeeeeerible.

As someone who watched every minute of his rookie season I will tell you that while he has potential, there is no way Stafford is better then Campbell at this point. If he didn't get injured Stafford would have thrown over 30 picks. He is still very inaccurate. It's very hard to overthrow Calvin Johnson but Stafford did it on more then one occasion. The arm strength and intangibles are there but the accuracy is not at all.

 

[Minor League Brian]

Have you NOT seen JC's deep ball?!? The mans got a cannon, but no accuracy AT all. I think he was 1 - 8 this year on deep balls.

 

[Big Sexy]

Have you NOT seen JC's deep ball?!? The mans got a cannon, but no accuracy AT all. I think he was 1 - 8 this year on deep balls.

Stafford is inaccurate on deep throws, short throws, middle throws, I even watched him over throw some screen passes. Trust me, Campbell is better.

 

[Minor League Brian]

Maybe only in the dump off, but Stafford has everything to be that franchises' QB. JC is not, and this league is all about the elite passer now.

 

[Big Sexy]

Maybe only in the dump off, but Stafford has everything to be that franchises' QB. JC is not, and this league is all about the elite passer now.

He may have the tools but RIGHT NOW he isn't there and RIGHT NOW Campbell is better. David Carr and Tim Couch had the tools as well and look what happened to them.

 

[Minor League Brian]

He may have the tools but RIGHT NOW he isn't there and RIGHT NOW Campbell is better. David Carr and Tim Couch had the tools as well and look what happened to them.

Carr I think was a lot like Ramsey's. He was shell shocked, and never given the right situation to really develop.

 

[TheOneBigWill]

Seems to me that BS is just simply unwilling to accept people have a different opinion on Jason Campbell.

 

[Big Sexy]

Seems to me that BS is just simply unwilling to accept people have a different opinion on Jason Campbell.

I can accept others opinions, I just don't agree with them. Especially yours. The amount of stupidity your posts in this thread have had is mind numbing.