Jason Campbell

[TheOneBigWill]

QB ratings in the mid 80's with jack shit for receivers and an aging offensive line is better then mediocre. He'd start in Oakland right away and also Buffalo and Cleveland if they tried to get him. Campbell at this point is a top 20 qb in the league. There's some young guys who may pass him up in the next couple years, but right now he is easily top 20.

Cleveland has Delhomme now, a guy who's lead a team to the Superbowl. (and would've won them a Superbowl, had it not been for a kicker drilling one out of bounds on a kickoff) They wouldn't sign Campbell, over Delhomme.

Oakland, is a big possibility. However, lets be honest.. Oakland likely wouldn't sign him, because he isn't much of an improvement over Russell. (okay, he slightly is, but Davis wouldn't see it that way)

He'll go to the Rams, or even Jags, and like it.

 

[Lil Wes]

Team suicide is signing a backup QB, which you desperately need? lulz.

 

[TheOneBigWill]

Agreed, though Moore was a beast last year and will be good IMO. But who the fuck is your backup QB? Need a vet, Campbell sucks ass but he'll still be good for development.

As for the thread, read Brian's post, true shit.

Well, find the Chyna porn and ask Becca what time it is.. WES IS HERE!

Our back-up was Josh (LAWLZ) McCown. I'm hoping we just let our punter become our back-up, at that rate. LOL Or start running 98% of everything out of Wildcat.

 

[TheOneBigWill]

Team suicide is signing a backup QB, which you desperately need? lulz.

I just googled "top free agent QBs" so if any of these guys are taken, so be it. However, if not.. the following list of QBs would be better to have as a back-up.. than Campbell.

1. Chris Redman
2. Chad Pennington
3. Kellen Clemons
4. David Carr (albeit, not for Carolina )
5. Jon Kitna
6. Rex Grossman
7. Joey Harrington
8. Brett Ratliff

Does the majority suck? Why, yes. But each have no worse quality than Campbell.

 

[Big Sexy]

Cleveland has Delhomme now, a guy who's lead a team to the Superbowl. (and would've won them a Superbowl, had it not been for a kicker drilling one out of bounds on a kickoff) They wouldn't sign Campbell, over Delhomme.

Oakland, is a big possibility. However, lets be honest.. Oakland likely wouldn't sign him, because he isn't much of an improvement over Russell. (okay, he slightly is, but Davis wouldn't see it that way)

He'll go to the Rams, or even Jags, and like it.

I forgot about Delhomme being in Cleveland so they won't get Campbell but at this point in their respective careers Campbell is the better quarterback. Both Oakland and Buffalo would be lucky to have Campbell as there starter.

 

[Big Sexy]

I just googled "top free agent QBs" so if any of these guys are taken, so be it. However, if not.. the following list of QBs would be better to have as a back-up.. than Campbell.

1. Chris Redman
2. Chad Pennington
3. Kellen Clemons
4. David Carr (albeit, not for Carolina )
5. Jon Kitna
6. Rex Grossman
7. Joey Harrington
8. Brett Ratliff

Does the majority suck? Why, yes. But each have no worse quality than Campbell.

If you honestly believe that any of those guys are better then Campbell then you are a fucking idiot. Pennington is debatable but he already resigned with Miami.

 

[TheOneBigWill]

I forgot about Delhomme being in Cleveland so they won't get Campbell but at this point in their respective careers Campbell is the better quarterback. Both Oakland and Buffalo would be lucky to have Campbell as there starter.

Buffalo seems to have a bit of a curse. They start off having an iffy-to-okay go with their QB (Edwards) then he gets hurt, and its like he loses all ability to play. I think Campbell could help them in a Wildcat type situation, but he'd be no better for Buffalo and that lack-luster offense.. then he was for Washington.

And again, in Oakland, he'd only (barely) be a step above Russell. And that step above is probably that he can run quicker. I still say Oakland came on with whoever they had toward the final part of the Season. Charlie Frye, or Gradkowski, I think it was. So they should really stick with whoever that was.

 

[TheOneBigWill]

If you honestly believe that any of those guys are better then Campbell then you are a fucking idiot. Pennington is debatable but he already resigned with Miami.

How so?

Redman went on a tear for Atlanta, in Ryan's absense.

Carr, Kitna, Grossman, and Harrington have all started numerous times and lead their team to numerous victories. (Grossman even helped lead the Bears to the Superbowl, didn't he? Or was that Orton? I forget. If it was Orton, then exclude Grossman)

Harrington and Grossman have all played with shit teams, while starting, as well. So to see them doing what they could, with the lack of Offense they had, was better than Campbell has done.

 

[Big Sexy]

How so?

Redman went on a tear for Atlanta, in Ryan's absense.

Carr, Kitna, Grossman, and Harrington have all started numerous times and lead their team to numerous victories. (Grossman even helped lead the Bears to the Superbowl, didn't he? Or was that Orton? I forget. If it was Orton, then exclude Grossman)

Harrington and Grossman have all played with shit teams, while starting, as well. So to see them doing what they could, with the lack of Offense they had, was better than Campbell has done.

You are delusional or a blind Jason Campbell hater. What tear did Chris Redman go on? You mean the one where he completed less then 60 percent of his passes and had a qb rating under 80? Kitna at one point was solid but he is now too old. David Carr had one or two good seasons but those ar long gone. Joey Harrington's highest rating of his career was 77.5 and Grossman was a complete joke. Thomas Jones and the Bears defense took them to the super bowl.

Campbell the last two seasons has started every game and thrown a combined 21 picks in the two seasons. He completes well over 60 percent of his passes, has had a qb rating in the mid 80's the last 2 years, and is doing all of this with no legit number one receiving threat. You can't put the teams failures all on Campbell. He has played well.

 

[Minor League Brian]

You don't watch Redskins games if you think JC had bad receivers. It's a mixture of our coaching staff hating rookies and Jason Campbell being terrified to throw it with a little coverage. The man is the dump off king. Randle El having a starting job at receiver shows you bad incompetent our coaching is.

Jason Campbell is an okay game manager, and needs a team with a good run game for him to be mildly successful. The first half of 09 proves that. He won't lose you games, but he needs the running game to win him games.

 

[klunderbunker]

Campbell > Russell all day. Like Brian said, Campbell isn't bad. He's not particularly good but he's not bad. Russell is a total bust.

 

[pyrusane]

I can't believe you'd say something like that.

I'm a Carolina Panther's fan, through and through. I'd rather go 0-16, and risk taking the next future unknown rookie QB prospect.. than sign Jason Campbell, even as a back-up.

Matt Moore was the right decision, and I'll forever say I miss Jake Delhomme. (For this up-coming Season, I'm going to be cheering on the Browns for 15 of their 16 games - sans the one against Carolina, of course.)

However, to say Campbell should be cut - so Carolina could have a crack at signing him, is like asking us to willingly commit team suicide.

Nothing against Campbell, besides the fact he's not lead his team to any Playoff games. Nor has he done a whole hell of a lot to help that Offense. (lets be honest though, that shouldn't all fall on him) However, Carolina is a run-first, throw when we must, team. Matt Moore proved he can light it UP against teams when we need to.. and I have the highest of confidence in him, that he'll lead us back to the Playoffs this year. (Assuming our Defense doesn't kill us, pre-hand)

I had no idea you were a Panthers fan Will. I love you now. Bro-love though, don't get all happy...

I am in no way saying that I want to see Campbell starting in Carolina. My point was more that Moore needs someone behind him pushing him to excel. Right now our only other option is, iirc, Hunter Cantwell? All Moore needs to do to keep the starting job over him is have a pulse. At least with a guy like Campbell, there would be the threat of being replaced if he doesn't work at it.

I hated to see Jake go, had flashbacks to Bueurlein being released before the terrible 2001 campaign. But I understand the reasoning. If Moore is going to be the guy, he needs to have a passable backup that can challenge for the position, without creating a rift in the locker room or dividing the loyalties of the team. Jake would have caused that rift, albeit unintentionally; Campbell would not.

And, if we're only talking a backup role, which of these names is the least frightening prospect? Carr (shudder), Harrington, Kitna, Grossman, Campbell. I'll admit, it might be interesting to see Pennington in the backup role, but the rest of those guys just scare the bejeezus out of me. Mainly because, if something were to happen to Moore, they would have to *gasp* actually play.

How so?

Redman went on a tear for Atlanta, in Ryan's absense.

Honestly, I haven't paid enough attention to Redman, he might be worth a look. Gonna have to research his numbers a bit.

Carr, Kitna, Grossman, and Harrington have all started numerous times and lead their team to numerous victories. (Grossman even helped lead the Bears to the Superbowl, didn't he? Or was that Orton? I forget. If it was Orton, then exclude Grossman)

Carr - Seriously? I know you just threw his name in there for shits and giggles, cause as a Carolina fan there is no possible way you could ever want to see Carr back in a Carolina uniform.

Kitna- I thought he disappeared after his 10-6 prediction for the Lions didn't exactly go as planned.

Harrington - During his tenure with the Lions, Harrington started 55 games and had a record of 18 wins and 37 losses. For the Dolphins, Harrington played in and started eleven games, leading Miami to a 5-6 record. Harrington has yet to lead any NFL team to a playoff berth (or winning record) in his eight-year professional career.

As for Grossman...Yeah, in 2006 he did take the Bears to the Super Bowl. That was the only season of his career that he has managed to start all 16 games without being injured. And even that year he had seven weeks with a QB rating over 100, 5 weeks below 50, and had an impressive 0 rating in the game against Green Bay. Can you say inconsistent?

Bah...at the end of the day, Moore is the starter in Carolina, and the best guy for the job. I was just saying that I would like to see a backup in town that can provide a credible challenge to make Moore work for it, and that I don't have to live in fear of him actually having to come into a game...

 

[Big Sexy]

You don't watch Redskins games if you think JC had bad receivers. It's a mixture of our coaching staff hating rookies and Jason Campbell being terrified to throw it with a little coverage. The man is the dump off king. Randle El having a starting job at receiver shows you bad incompetent our coaching is.

They certainly weren't good receivers. Santana Moss is a two and they had him as the number one guy. Randle El is a slot guy and they had him starting at the two. Then with Kelly and Thomas, they may be talented but they never played so who knows what they have to offer. The Skins were always running out big sets with either a fullback or two tight ends so the three and four wide outs basically became irrelevant.

 

[Minor League Brian]

They certainly weren't good receivers. Santana Moss is a two and they had him as the number one guy. Randle El is a slot guy and they had him starting at the two. Then with Kelly and Thomas, they may be talented but they never played so who knows what they have to offer. The Skins were always running out big sets with either a fullback or two tight ends so the three and four wide outs basically became irrelevant.

Moss still has elite speed, and can work as a 1 but he's constantly doubled because they had Randle El opposite him. Hell, he can STILL get open deep the problem is Jason couldn't hit him in stride...or at all for that matter. But that's more the coaching's fault. When Kelly and Thomas HAD to be in the game, they did well and both are set for the "breakout" year for all receivers. I'd be surprised if 1 doesn't step up and tear it up, and Marko Mithell's become the next Colt Brennan to Redskins fan and most of us cannot wait to see him get to compete.

 

[rkofromhell]

I just googled "top free agent QBs" so if any of these guys are taken, so be it. However, if not.. the following list of QBs would be better to have as a back-up.. than Campbell.

1. Chris Redman
2. Chad Pennington
3. Kellen Clemons
4. David Carr (albeit, not for Carolina )
5. Jon Kitna
6. Rex Grossman
7. Joey Harrington
8. Brett Ratliff

Does the majority suck? Why, yes. But each have no worse quality than Campbell.

Chris Redman - In his only decent year in 2007 he played in 7 games attempting just more then 20 passes, completing on 59.7% of those passes. Getting 154 yards a game with Roddy White and Michael Jenkins which is a better pairing then Campbell has ever had.

Chad Pennington - I will give you him, but isnt your biggest complaint with Campbell that he doesnt go deep when a receiver is covered. Becuase that is Pennington to a tee.

Kellen Clemons - A 3-5 record as a started with 5 TD's and 10 Int, yea your right I would rather have him. Also had receivers of Jerricho Cotchery and Laveranues Coles which again is a better pairing then Campbell has ever had. Not to mention Thomas Jones running the ball and can still only manage a 3-5 record....

David Carr - 23-56 Career Record. In 91 games averaging 158 yards a game and throwing .7 TD's and .8 Int's a game. Do I even need to list the Wide outs he has played with.

Jon Kitna - I guess he would be a good backup minus the concussions and that he is 38 would be 39 for the season.

Rex Grossman - Has had one good season when he took the Bears to the superbowl but since then hasn't been able to stay healthy.

Joey Harrington - 26-50 career record. Almost one Touchdown a game and just over one Int a game.

Brett Ratliff - Has never played a single down in the NFL.

Jason Campbell - 16-20 Career record. 208 yards a game more then any of the QB's you listed. .7 Int a game lower then any of the other players listed. Has the highest QB rating by far. The only receiver on that team worth a damn is Moss. When he had a good running game was able to get an 8-8 record which is better then most of the people you listed.

Why is there so much hate on Campbell?

 

[Minor League Brian]

Maybe cause he's actually 19 - 32 as a starter. Moss is NOT the only reciever worth a damn, just the only one allowed to play. The man is the king of the dump off (if you'd watch his game). I go back to this; in a run first offense as a game manager Campbell isn't bad. Don't expect him to win you a game, but he won't lose it for you unless you expect him to be clutch. Besides that, the dude's damaged goods with no confidence in himself.

Oh and he's very passive aggressive, and throws his team under the bus in a much less noticeable way then CP would.

 

[TheOneBigWill]

I think its slightly ironic, that the one guy who shares my displeasure with Jason Campbell, is the only person *to publicly state* he's a Washington Redskins fan. lol

I never said Jason Campbell was awful. I simply said, as a Carolina Panthers fan, I did NOT want to see him as our back-up. For the simple reason, Washington has 1, maybe 2 deep threats.. and Campbell, as Brian pointed out, hates trying to find them with even the least bit of coverage. Carolina ONLY seems to know how to throw deep, to Steve Smith. Campbell would fuck us over worse than Delhomme in the back-to-back Playoff/Home opener games this past year.

David Carr, no, I wouldn't want to see him back because we fucking benched him for Vintage. A 40-50 year old man, who lead us to more wins.

Joey Harrington, believe it or not, I feel COULD work. He didn't fail in Detroit because he failed. He failed in Detroit, because the team as a whole failed.

Redman, as a back-up, seemingly lead Atlanta to wins. Maybe I'm wrong, if I am so be it, but dammit I recall him winning.

No, I also would not wanna see Grossman in a Panthers jersey. Finally, whats wrong with Cantwell? Sure, he hasn't started anything, or even played to my memory.. but he could be a breakout star waiting to happen. Fuck, you can't say it isn't possible.. Matt fucking Moore was a "nobody" until a couple seasons ago to Panther fans, and more recently, last season to everyone else.

 

[Big Sexy]

Joey Harrington, believe it or not, I feel COULD work. He didn't fail in Detroit because he failed. He failed in Detroit, because the team as a whole failed.

This is the only thing I will comment on. Being a huge Lions fan I really liked Joey Harrington and gave him every chance to succeed. I was always the one guy who would defend him. That being said, Joey Harrington just isn't good. Yes the team sucked but even when he had young talent like Roy Williams and Kevin Jones he still didn't put up very good numbers. He then went on to Miami and continued to be below average, and then he went to Atlanta and again just wasn't good at all. Jason Campbell is a 10x better qb then Joey Harrington and it isn't even debatable.

 

[Minor League Brian]

Roy Williams kinda seems like a joke now...

 

[Big Sexy]

Roy Williams kinda seems like a joke now...

Yes but there's no denying his talent especially in Detroit where he was the number one guy and didn't have anything to whine about. Jon Kitna inherited the same talent Joey had for a year and put up much much better numbers. Joey then went on to play for two other franchises and showed no signs that he was a good or even capable number one quarterback.

 

[TheOneBigWill]

Jason Campbell is a 10x better qb then Joey Harrington and it isn't even debatable.

You see, I wasn't going to bother but then you went and said that last part.. so now I feel like I must.

Being a huge Lions fan I really liked Joey Harrington and gave him every chance to succeed. I was always the one guy who would defend him. That being said, Joey Harrington just isn't good.

So, I can't help but notice you're a Lions fan, and as a result you saying you tried defending Harrington is suppose to mean.. .. what, again?

Well, it must not mean much, because you contradicted yourself within this small statement. First, you said you gave him 'every' chance to succeed. Then you said you 'would defend him'. Only to end it by saying he just isn't good. That doesn't sound like defending him, and giving him every chance, to me.

I've defended Jake Delhomme since day 1. And to this day, with him being a Cleveland Brown, I will still defend him and say Carolina made a mistake in cutting him.

Do I feel his time as a starter may have been over? Possibly. I don't think I could ever say it was, because in my heart I want to believe he could lead Carolina back to the Superbowl. Yet, as a Matt Moore fan, I knew with as hot as he was - he deserved a shot as well. (Thats, defending someone, regardless of good or bad)

Yes the team sucked but even when he had young talent like Roy Williams and Kevin Jones he still didn't put up very good numbers.

Uhm, okay so we have a RB that had ONE breakout (rookie) campaign. Since then, dropped off the map. And a single star WR, that had 1 1,000 season and a lot of pitiful forgettable ones thereafter.

Joey Harrington was suppose to thrive with that? How, again?

He then went on to Miami and continued to be below average

Below average?

According to the stats.. let's see..

lost his first three starts.. before leading the Dolphins to 5 consecutive victories. In which, he had multiple games with more TDs than INTs, and a QB rating over 100. (solo, against his former team - on National tv)

Doesn't really sound below average, to me.

I guess you came in toward the end of that season, when they pulled Harrington for Lemons. I can see how you could view that as below average, what sitting on a bench and all.

and then he went to Atlanta and again just wasn't good at all.

Uhm, actually it was his stay in Atlanta that proved to be his best.. ever. It was simply piss poor Coaching, and the in-ability to take blame for anything on that same Coaching Staff.. that lead to them releasing Joey.

He played in 13 games. Of those games, he played 6 without throwing a single INT. Of those games, he also had 4 different games of which he had QB ratings over 100. (and two more that were 87. and 93.)

Again, arguably a much better Season stat-wise, in Atlanta, than his previous ones. However, due to a poor win/loss record - Atlanta decided Harrington was the problem, and released him. (They went on to lose all of their remaining games, except for their Season finale against Seattle.)

Jason Campbell is a 10x better qb then Joey Harrington and it isn't even debatable.

So, now for Campbell.

The only thing Campbell has done better, has been throwing for more total yds. He's had two Seasons, his previous two - mind you, in which he's thrown for over 3,000 yds.

His first season, 6 INTs, was in the span of 7 games. Second season, 11 INTs, was in the span of 13 games. His INT total dropped back to 6, playing all 16 games in his 3rd season, then went back to what seems to be his 'norm'.. throwing 15 INTs, out of 16 games, this previous season.

Harrington's INT average, admittedly is a lot worse. Averaging over 10 per season, and his highest was 22 (his 2nd year). Yet Harrington has also thrown more TDs than Campbell, on average, per season.

Only once, did Campbell out-do Harrington via TDs, by one. (20 - this past season)

So, through stats Campbell seems to be IMPROVING. And I'll give him that. Yet, under the right circumstances, Harrington isn't a failure. And could be a very good back-up. Which is the point, I'm making.

Campbell in Oakland, could be good. Its hard to look worse than shit, which is what Russell looks a lot like right now. And Harrington is (in my opinion) a step-up, from Josh McCown, or the (now) 2 yr pro Cantwell, who hasn't played a start in the NFL yet.

 

[TheOneBigWill]

Yes but there's no denying his talent especially in Detroit where he was the number one guy and didn't have anything to whine about. Jon Kitna inherited the same talent Joey had for a year and put up much much better numbers. Joey then went on to play for two other franchises and showed no signs that he was a good or even capable number one quarterback.

Calvin Johnson came to Detroit 2 years later. So Kitna, and Williams, only had one season that was "Harrington-less" in which they showed signs of something better. And - are you saying it was Harrington's fault, that Williams couldn't catch a cold?

I suppose that means, through your view, that Tony Romo also can't play at the QB position, either? Since, you know, Williams can't catch much in Dallas, either.

As for the rest.. Harrington went on to game manage in Miami, and put up better stats/numbers in Atlanta. Again, you can't blame a TEAM'S failure, on one guy. Especially when that one guy, is putting up decent-to-good numbers.

 

[The Bearded One]

So am I the only one that would take Jason Campbell?

 

[One Punch Doug Crashin]

So am I the only one that would take Jason Campbell?

Yes, Yes you are.

 

[The Bearded One]

Yes, Yes you are.

I'm not saying he's the best quarterback in the world, but he is a solid quarterback that can make an impact on a lot of teams.