It Factor,
Give me one of Swagger's best promos and I can match that with one of John's worst. John has had the same act for nearly a decade, but it's how he uses it that defines why he is the guy and Swagger is not.
Swagger had decent[not great, mind you] promos leading into the Wrestlemania when he won the MITB briefcase. His subsequent promos leading up to his title reigns were all passable as well. I think you are totally missing my point or outright ignoring it alltogether. Swagger is such a big guy and gifted in ring that he doesn't necessarily need promos to gain credibility nor momentum. What he does in the ring is excellent and he's leagues above Cena or anyone else on the roster as far as in-ring talent goes. The only exceptions are CM Punk & Daniel Bryan, which those guys don't have the impressive size of a Swagger to compliment their ring work. Although Punk & Bryan vastly outperform Swagger on the mic.
What could Swagger possibly say for as long as John has been spitting out his shtick that would be groundbreaking? Hell, for that matter, who besides CM Punk has attempted anything that is groundbreaking?
Again, my main point was that Swagger doesn't need to rely on mic work to get himself over. It would be nice if he could wrestle and spit out promos like old school The Rock. And what's more, I believe if Swagger were at the top much like Cena, he wouldn't be limiting himself by remaining the same and never changing. All the best past big names have had the ability to change with the times. Cena hasn't, which was why I was saying I liked Swagger better. Not that anything he said would be groundbreaking.
Read what I post before attempting to dispute what you've yet to fully comprehend.
You know what? You're a victim. You bought into what WWE was trying to sell with Swagger, and you haven't given up on it when WWE had a long time ago. Everyone said that he was going to be the next Kurt Angle, you and I as well as everybody else missed Kurt, and so you stuck with the guy just HOPING that he'd break out of a shell that is actually nonexistent.
I'll agree with you that I'm a "victim", but for much different reasons. First of which is that WWE has been on auto-pilot so long they can't see potential stars when they emerge. Secondly, we are victim to WWE doing start/stop pushes. How can Jack Swagger or any new WWE superstars "get over" if they aren't consistently used? Explain that one to me, I'd love to see your arguement for that. Last and not least, you are right: I was hopeful that WWE would take notice of how much Swagger was standing out on a nightly basis and actually use him correctly. Sadly, WWE can't get over their abadonment issues with guys like The Rock, Brock Lesnar, Goldberg, etc all leaving. Subsequently, guys like MVP,Jack Swagger, Zack Ryder, Sheamus, Wade Barrett, Santino Marella[though a comedy act], and numerous others have fell victim to WWE's inconsistent booking. They couldn't make a star now if they wanted to because they've royally fucked these guys over by tarnishing what credibility they once had. The only exception is Sheamus so far, who is still viewed by many fans as second rate or midcard. Why is that? King Sheamus, anyone? I rest my case.
He hit his ceiling as a performer, and to be honest, he failed at the performing aspect as well. I will most definitely give him kudos for being able to properly execute a variety of suplexes, but it's how he does it that puts him in the bottom of the pack.
I must agree to a certain degree here, although there are numerous aspects of this I disagree with. Yes, Swagger did hit the ceiling and become main event[albeit a brief and half-assed attempt]. He didn't get that consistently though, which is why he came off as a failure. WWE panicked when ratings didn't shoot through the roof and did as they always do; stop midway. And how exactly is it that Swagger executes suplexes that is wrong? It looks to me like he executes suplexes just like any technical wrestler does. Oops, guess that's where I lost you; you must be an entertainment fan. Guess Swagger doesn't do enough parading or taunting to be considered main event material, huh?
When Benoit did a suplex? It was aggressive, and really badass.
When Angle did a suplex? It was followed up by corny showboating, and later intensity when he began to move on from the corny (but hilarious) role model shtick.
Sounds like you just preferred these guys over Swagger which is why you are quite weakly claiming it's Swagger's lack of execution of moves why he doesn't deserve a shot. I do somewhat agree that Swagger falls abit flat as a character and definetely on the mic. However, Swagger's in-ring work is nothing short of excellent. I can understand why some people think Swagger is boring or bland. How anyone can claim Swagger's ring work is bad when you have guys like Del Rio getting consistent main event title shots is beyond bewilderment. Swagger simply doesn't get longer matches to showcase what he can do. He's basically being jobbed out and put in short matches meant to make others. Nothing wrong with that from time to time, although with Swagger it seems like he's pissed someone off. Either that or others think his lack of mic skills/character is reason enough not to use him. Which is an arrogant moronic stance to take when the guy is so agile and quick to be a big as he is while also being a somewhat technical wrestler. A rare combination to have, which is why Swagger should be in the unique position to be higher on the card. I can only hope WWE repackages him and tries to take advantage of his many strengths instead of dwelling on his weaknesses.
Swagger? Well, he showboats a little, stops, and then applies a rest hold.
I must agree here, if Swagger remains a heel. He needs to maximize the showboating to really emphasize his devastating moves. If not, it doesn't seem meaningful. As for rest holds, I'm sure you'll find a good number of them in everyone's matches. Ironically, it's not a Swagger exclusive.
I'll always remember a tag match that he was in, although I'm failing to remember the participants. He was tagging with someone who he had a bit of a rift with, and so his partner got in a blind tag. What does Swagger do? He gets mad for a second, stops, and then just goes to his corner showing little to no expression.
Because of often shortsighted and non-sensical booking, Swagger is stuck in tag matches that have little or no relevance to whom he is feuding with[or not feuding with]. The same could be said of many WWE tag team matches whether traditional tags or 6 man clusters. Again, you are claiming it's a Swagger only type of thing when it's pretty common in all of WWE.
This all equates to one thing: He has little to no in-ring psychology. He's like a robot in the ring. John Cena may execute the worst dropkick and high knee of all time, but dammit when he does it, he gets riled up about it. Swagger seems to only react because it's what he's supposed to do. It's as if he's always thinking, "Welp, I have to act cocky for a second, but this next move I'm about to apply should be devoid of all personality."
Finally, you cut through the crap and actually gave a valid reason for not liking Swagger. FINALLY! Like I said above, I do agree that Swagger needs to work on timing and psychology. Alot of that comes with experience, which he will not get by being stuck in short jobbing matches. Which is not his fault, he simply hasn't been given the opportunity to remain relevant or in enough big matches to learn his craft. Once Swagger gets the consistent opportunity to main event and learn what he's doing right and what he's doing wrong, he could improve. But not until he's actually given that vital opportunity. Which Cena has had all the opportunity in the world, which is why he does utilize psychology.
The rest of it; blah, blah, blah, more of the same, repeating the same shit, etc and such
You claim that it isn't WWE's fault about Swagger's failures. I beg to differ. WWE is the company who is responsible for giving talent their opportunity. While Swagger does need improvement in alot of areas, he is a talented guy who should be used. And not stuck jobbing to people on the occasional RAW or on Superstars/Saturday Slam. It takes an equal effort on a talent's part and the company to create a true star. If WWE isn't willing to take that gamble on Swagger, how is that his fault? I'd love to see your response to that......
