Is Triple H The Most Overrated Superstar of All Time?

[S.J. Maximus]

Triple H is arguably the best heel of all time behind Ric Flair. I'm tired of people saying he politicked and slept when Stephanie when that had almost NO influence on his professional career. Did Vince's respect make him the most over heel from 2000-2005?! No, it was his ability to entertain and to put on classics with the likes of The Rock, Austin, Angle, HBK, Taker and many many more. Oh wow he had bad matches with RVD and Goldberg, well Shawn Michaels put on shit matches that same year with Batista and Randy Orton, not everyone is perfect.

Only an idiot would say everything was handed to Triple H, because the deafening boos he got for 6 years couldn't have possibly been handed to him. Yes he has more title reigns than Rock and Austin, but who was always there? HHH is the only constant from 1999-2009 in a 10 year period where HBK was on the sidelines for 3 years, Rock comes and goes, Austin comes and goes, Lesnar comes and goes, and Cena finally rises. Why wouldn't he have 13 title reigns? He's been the hardest working longest tenured main event star in the WWE and as a heel it's so much better to see the face chase the heel champ than to see a heel chase a face champ.

Triple H should be remembered forever as a top 10 wrestler in the history of the business, but unfortunately people don't have the mental capacity to separate hif personal life and his marriage to Stephanie from his on-air talents and in-ring excellence

 

[sachish]

not most overrated,just sit next to hogan and goldberg,with very basic wrestling skills. knee facebuster,flowing ddt,spinebuster, pedigree and the game is over.at first sight u will like him 4 a month,then it seemed boring,only the spinebuster impressed me,but he had mainevented almost 10 years with this basic movesets(may be more to come).wrestling observer newsletter already mentioned this guy as 'most overrated wrestler of the year' 4 times(2002-2004,again in 2009 ),twice placed him second(2005,2008) and twice third(2006,2007).its true that he is more overrated than great.

 

[TheSDQQKidJoe]

I rofl while reading this thread. Its what is the norm in wrestling hate. Realbrutha doesn't like HHH, so he constantly refers to Stephanie in each of his posts. Why? Simply because he has nothing else to use in his argument. HHH sleeping with Steph was icing on a cake that was already way down the throat of viewers. HHH's career was already defined before gettin with Steph.

 

[Brahma_Bull9]

Dude, Triple H won the majority of his world titles in the early 2000's as a heel and as a heel, he was a far bigger success than either Austin or Rocky. He wasn't suppose to draw huge numbers, he was there to make you love the faces and in his time frame, no one was better than him. I mean, fuck, he had people going nuts for Scott Steiner. I repeat, Scott Steiner was the most over face in the biggest wrestling company in the 2000's and it was solely because of Triple H's heel work as a heel. I'd say that would speak volumes to how great he truly is.

So yes, if Austin or Rock would have stayed as long as Triple H, they would have had an enormous amount of title reigns as well. It isn't Hunter's fault that he didn't sustain a career ending injury or go off to Hollywood. He started to break during the peak of the Attitude Era along with Austin and Rock and if those 3 were to have remained in the company together to this point, Triple H would still have around the same amount of title reigns he has now. They would have just come in a different fashion.



Were talking about the amount of reigns, not the longevity. So yes it is comparable.

I agree it wasn't necessarily HHH's fault because titles seem to change hands very frequently in the past 10 years or so, and I don't think that was his doing. It did seem however he ended up with the longer runs.

However, what I quoted you for was the Scott Steiner being most over and the face of the company, what? That's quite revisionist history.

 

[manstis1804]

I've never really thought about who's the most overrated, but I could make a case for it being Triple H. He's been pushed on the level of Rock, Austin, Hogan, Savage, Flair etc. but is not in their league whatsoever. He's not even on the level of the second tier in Shawn/Bret. Saying he was the best heel of the 2000s is a bit much...he was a great heel in 2000 no doubt, but after his quad injury he was never quite the same. Heels like Jericho, Edge, Angle, Orton, and Lesnar were much better than him at different times. He was always there, and consistent, so I'll give him that, but to me other than 98-2000 he hasn't really been anything great. His spot was solidified at that time and through his relationship with Stephanie, and he's coasted ever since.

Triple H has spent more time perpetuating the myth of his greatness than he has actually earning the moniker with great performances.

 

[Mighty NorCal]

Quite the opposite, he is probably the most UNDERrated superstar of all time.

12? 13 time champion? A dominant force, top draw, and backbone of programing for over a decade? Countless great matches, over and over and over? Fought back from not one, but TWO carreer threatening injuries? Made the company money not just from individual performance, but putting over and making at least 5 to 8 main money makers for the WWE? Are you shitting me here?

All the while, he is given next to ZERO credit because "Oh, he just fucked the bosses daughter" (forget that he was a 3 time champ and headlined the most lucrative year in WWE history BEFORE he and Steph even had a first date)

Consistently a great preformer and a lynchpin of the WWE for about 13 years now, and yet, is given next to little credit by most. Triple H, in reality, is probably one of the top five pro wrestlers of all time, but you would never get 98% of people to admit that, by looking at things from an unbiased perspective.

Should go down in history as the most Underrated wrestler ever.

 

[keehlnate]

Overrated? Triple H is simply one of the best heels to ever step foot in the ring. Yes, he has multiple title reigns and he is on top of the roster for the longest time, but not just because he f#cked the boss daughter. He worked his ass off to be in the position that he is now. Just look at his body during 96 and his body during early 2000s and you'll see a great difference. Not to mention his improved movesets and gimmicks.

He is always criticized for always hugging the spotlight. But they don't even realize how many superstars he have created. Do you think Randy Orton and Batista would be the star that they are if it isn't for Triple H? He even carried Ric Flair on his wings. He gave Chris Benoit the biggest win of his entire career. And just recently, Sheamus and then CM Punk.

 

[jacdnwarrior]

I always find it amazing how people tend to rewrite history when they talk about their favourite performer.

Triple H is a solid performer in the ring, solid on the mike and a draw. Not as good a draw as the Rock, Austin or Hogan (stop lying to yourselves) but he did draw better than many. The problem for me when we have a discussion about Triple H is when you speak to people about him -particular those who like him- they always talk about his talent but never want to deal with his politicking behind the scenes. As though, they truly believe that he was destined for greatness and would have achieved that whether he was married to Stephanie or not. Never mind the countless wrestlers, behind the scenes staff who've left the WWE and said Triple H was a politican backstage, the Triple H fans shrug that off and tell you it's a 'internet conspiracy' against him. Or they come up with the 'all performers have to do it' or 'Politics is everywhere.' line. What fucking nonsense.

Here's the truth, imo. He came into the business with a blue blood character, he was okay but not a significant player. He links up with HBK, and his little Kliq, and he moves along onto better things. HBK leaves, HHH leads DX and they feud with the Nation led by the Rock and he becomes noticed. He gets the title before being linked with Stephanie but his relationship with Vince is so good that he can put himself into position. After he and Stephanie become an item, we get the Triple H-a-thon, where we're told how great he is and he wins 13 titles. In one case he doesn't have to do anything for a belt, Bischoff just hands it to him on Monday Night Raw.

Let's be fair, he has worked hard on his craft, he has had a great career, but he isn't an elite player like Austin and the Rock, not even close. He didn't carry a generation or an era as Austin or Hogan did, If the Rock was left to be the man, no one would've given a shit about him at all. If the Rock came back today, no one would give a shit about him at all. He is a middle of the pack performer who politicked himself into a starring role trying to make himself more relevant than he is. I don't have enough space to list all the times, he drew strings to make sure he kept the belt on himself to make himself seem more valuable than he is. You wish you could separate his career achievements from his politicking, but the problem is , you just can't. And as far as him being one of the top five performers ever ? That's the most ridiculous bullshit I've ever heard. He wouldn't even be in the top 20 of all time in the ring or on the mike, imo. He's absolutely overrated.

 

[jacdnwarrior]

Let me add this, Triple H helped a number of people but he suppressed or stopped the progress of others as well, that list is longer than the people he helped. And who did he help ? Did he help people deserving or people who kissed his ass ? He plays the game better than any one else and more over doesn't care who likes it or not. The truth is his actions behind the scenes -to me- show a person so insecure that he needs to stack the deck to achieve the little that he has. Sorry, he's not that damn good, he's not the king of kings, he's the king of hype, and I just refuse to buy into it.

 

[Mighty NorCal]

Let me add this, Triple H helped a number of people but he suppressed or stopped the progress of others as well, that list is longer than the people he helped. And who did he help ? Did he help people deserving or people who kissed his ass ? He plays the game better than any one else and more over doesn't care who likes it or not. The truth is his actions behind the scenes -to me- show a person so insecure that he needs to stack the deck to achieve the little that he has. Sorry, he's not that damn good, he's not the king of kings, he's the king of hype, and I just refuse to buy into it.

What proof, pray tell, do you have of ANY of this, or the pure ASSUMPTIONS you have made about what he would have become?

Not heresay, not conjecture, actual proof.

YoU want mine?

Three time champion, and the lead guy in the lead angle of what still stands TODAY as the highest grossing year by the WWE (The Mcmahon-Helmsley faction angle). So yea, he is just as big, or bigger, of a draw than Hogan or Austin. That isnt re-writing history, its legit financial information. All before he and Steph even dated.

There is zero proof he stopped anyone from doing anything. I do have proof as to who he MADE, becuase, well, we watched it with our own eyes.

Batista
Orton
Cena
Jeff Hardy
Sheamus
Cody Rhodes
Ted Dibiase (well, attempted...he isnt a fucking magician)
Chris Benoit

Shit, for a few years, the Wrestlemania tradition was "be legitimized by kicking Triple H's ass"....From WM 17 thru 24, his record was 2-4. Motherfucker, please.

All of the things you said are ASSUMPTIONS, with ZERO proof. Everything I just said, are things we saw with our own eyes.

Sorry, actual real life beats biased guesswork every single time.

 

[TheFuture]

Triple H is far from overrated. Is he over promoted? Yes, without question. But to call him overrated is just ignorant. The man is and will forever be a legend in this business, and more than likely given where he was going BEFORE he started dating Stephanie McMahon would be either way.

Triple H is one of those guys who you can trust to put the company first, he breathes and bleeds the WWE. Has he made his share of mistakes, sure. As pointed out the Montreal Screw Job could easily be counted as one of them, but at the same time he has done more than enough in helping the business since then to make up for that. He for many years was the most reliable person in that locker room in the sense of if you wanted to make someone look good, you gave him to Trips. Orton, Batista, Hardy(twice), Rhodes, DiBiase (Even though in the long run it failed), he even gave Benoit the biggest win of his career by tapping out in the middle of the ring at Wrestlemania 20, and I could go on and on with names of people he helped to put over.

On top of his ability to help put people over, he is one of the most consistent guys when it comes to speaking on the mic and having the crowd be sucked right into it. Face, heel, whatever you will always be listening to either boo or cheer him, which means he has done his job. His emotion for promo's was summed up so damn well on 2-21-11 when he and Taker got the crowd booing and cheering without saying a single word!

So all in all, no Triple H is not overrated. He has done his job, he will continue to do his job, and to quote the man himself, he's just that damn good.

 

[The_Sharpshooter]

Interesting reads from a lot of different posters. 1st thing 1st, I wanna say if you're talking about any wrestler being the most overrated of all time, you're doing one of two things: making a hilarious joke or paying respect in a different kind of way. Thats how I see it at least. Lets chill with the name calling. I clicked on this topic because I always felt he was overrated, but NorCal almost changed my mind..... But he didn't.

I wouldn't call Triple H overrated if it wasn't for the fact that he held the World Title so much. I think when you ask people who the true greats were, you won't hear many saying Hunter(which makes you wonder why he got the belt so much). But anyone who watched his rise can respect who he is as performer. Backstage stuff, I dont know so I wont get into that.

At the end of the day, Triple H Legacy will come down to two things: he was 2nd fiddle to the 3rd best Stable ever(Horsemen, NWO), and he held the WWE title more than most. To me, a 2nd fiddle shouldn'tt have the belt too often. Thats how you get called overrated!

 

[Nada]

Forget all the "backstage powerz", forget who he is married to, forget what position he has now.

Has any wrestler been pushed as hard and as much as Triple H? Because even Hulk Hogan and John Cena were/have not been pushed as long as HHH has been. Some guys are lucky to get 1 chance for a real push, most dont even see that 1 one chance in a lifetime. Triple H has had chance after chance after chance.

He still cant talk on the mic, its funny because we used to think he was good, it was until we realized that it was HBK who was excellent and often dragged Hunters corpse through the DX promos, on his own his shtick got old in a few weeks, the growling voice that makes...akward uh...pauses uh...

To even compare him to the likes of Austin, Hogan is absurd, whatever you may think of these guys they made WWE what it is, they set a fire on the ground that others could walk and make alot of money. Hogan made WWE and Austin saved the company.

Triple Hs existence has not done much for the company, they could have given that belt in 99 to anyone and they would have done as good of a job as he did, Billy Gunn, Edge would have been just as good as he was.

I am fine with him not being great in the ring anymore, injuries etc and that is understandable, he can have a good match against a good opponent

But what has always shocked me is just how lousy he is at talking, considering he is best buds with Shawn Michaels, perhaps the greatest talker of all time and Vince, another in the top 5 talkers in this entire industry, his father in law, and yet Hunter still sucks at it, despite all the years, despite being best friends with the very best. I guess it really shows that its something you either "got" or you simply do not get how its suppose to be done, it cannot be trained, no amount of experience will help you.

 

[jacdnwarrior]

What proof, pray tell, do you have of ANY of this, or the pure ASSUMPTIONS you have made about what he would have become?

Go listen to a shoot done by Jim Cornette. A person who was with WWE as one of the creative personnel with WWE. He has more than 30 years in the business and knows the inner workings of the business than any one else. You want to ignore the countless number of performers who worked there and talked about the politics and say they're lying, that's your right, I don't have to agree with it and I don't.


YoU want mine?

Please give it to me.

Three time champion, and the lead guy in the lead angle of what still stands TODAY as the highest grossing year by the WWE (The Mcmahon-Helmsley faction angle). So yea, he is just as big, or bigger, of a draw than Hogan or Austin. That isnt re-writing history, its legit financial information. All before he and Steph even dated.

How long was that , a year ? You believe he's on Hogan's level for one good year in comparison to nearly a decade by Hogan or 5+ years with Austin and Rock at the helm ? Who was his opponent ? Give me a year where the Rock, Austin or Cena weren't there to hold Triple H's hand and then come back to me. WWE had no Rock for seven years, Mr. that Damn Good and Cena are there and Vince begs the Rock to come back so his company can make a profit again.

There is zero proof he stopped anyone from doing anything. I do have proof as to who he MADE, becuase, well, we watched it with our own eyes.

Batista
Orton
Cena
Jeff Hardy
Sheamus
Cody Rhodes
Ted Dibiase (well, attempted...he isnt a fucking magician)
Chris Benoit

Batista has the charisma of a block of wood, zero in ring ability and horrible on the mike kisses Triple H's ass and becomes a champ. Had it not been for the work of Edge, JBL, Booker and Triple H he wouldn't be half as admired as he is or was. Orton is good not great, Sheamus didn't deserve his push but since Triple H liked him he got his shot. These three were people who kissed his ass and he threw them a bone. Orton is given a stable they pick guys who have a well respected last name, and voila they get a decent run.

Cena was Vince's golden boy. He had to do that for his pop in law. Benoit was already an established performer, respected for his ability in the ring before he came to WWE and thanks to Bret Hart's induction, Benoit finally got his shot at the title. Benoit loses to Orton who then loses the title to who ... Triple H.

Jeff Hardy ? Hardy had established his name with very little help from Triple H. Fans were already behind him before he even faced the self professed Game.

Triple H isn't some guy with no pull backstage, he listens in on storylines, he greatly influences many of the decisions that occur there. From who gets pushed to which trainers they use. Stop kidding yourself. He was named creative advisor to Vince McMahon so how can you say he has no involvement in decision making when he is given a title that states that he does ?


All of the things you said are ASSUMPTIONS, with ZERO proof. Everything I just said, are things we saw with our own eyes.

Sorry, actual real life beats biased guesswork every single time.[/QUOTE]

I saw with my own eyes triple H win 13 titles. And for more than half of them no one gave a shit. You give me people who kissed his ass and tell me he made them. He made them because they stroked his fucking ego. Not because of their talent propelled them there. You claim I make ASSUMPTIONS without proof, because you choose to dismiss the people who tell the truth about Triple H as liars or just jealous. Cornette, Angle, among others have made the case that Triple H's involvement has greatly aided his career and those of his friends (people who kiss his ass) and is a problem for the company. Hogan has said that Triple H plays the politics very well. The line up of people who tell you what goes on would be dismissed because you don't like what they're saying. Sorry, in that make believe fantasy bullshit world you live in, Triple H isn't where he is just because of his ability, (which is good not great) but because of his closeness to the family and how he uses it.

 

[jacdnwarrior]

Let me also add:

WM X-Seven had Rock vs. Austin in the main event, Triple H wasn't the main attraction. Sorry. He lost to Taker. No one beats taker at WM .

WM 18 He faces off against and beats Jericho. Surprise surprise. Again the main event was Rock vs Hogan and Austin vs. Hall. Triple H not the main event

WM 19 H faces Booker T. H wins. Surprise surprise. Again there's Austin vs. Rock and Angle vs. Lesnar.

WM20 Triple H vs. HBK vs. Benoit Would Benoit had won if Vince didn't think Bret would be happy to see Benoit get the gold ?

WM 21 H vs. Batista Friend vs. friend Batista wins. How nice of H do that

WM 22 Cena vs H. Cena wins. He's Vince's golden boy so is it surprising that Cena would win. Not really.

WM 23 It had the biggest buyrate in history, The battle of the billionaires with Austin there. Broke the previous record in ticket sales held in WMX8 and guess
what ? Triple H wasn't there. What a shocker !

WM24 Randy Orton wins against Cena and H. A friend helping a friend. The Kliq always supports each other. Add to that the biggest (Show) vs. the Best
(Mayweather)

Let's not forget

WM 2000 where the fans booed him out of the arena after winning a fatal four way to keep the championship

WM 25 where he beats Orton to retain the title WM 26 where he beats Sheamus, WM 27 he loses to Taker, but was overshadowed by Rock's return.

So let's see by my count he has 5 wins and five losses. Nice try though.

 

[klunderbunker]

Go listen to a shoot done by Jim Cornette. A person who was with WWE as one of the creative personnel with WWE. He has more than 30 years in the business and knows the inner workings of the business than any one else. You want to ignore the countless number of performers who worked there and talked about the politics and say they're lying, that's your right, I don't have to agree with it and I don't.

Or you could think of your own ideas. I know that might be a stretch but it's possible to think for yourself.

How long was that , a year ? You believe he's on Hogan's level for one good year in comparison to nearly a decade by Hogan or 5+ years with Austin and Rock at the helm ? Who was his opponent ? Give me a year where the Rock, Austin or Cena weren't there to hold Triple H's hand and then come back to me. WWE had no Rock for seven years, Mr. that Damn Good and Cena are there and Vince begs the Rock to come back so his company can make a profit again.

So.....when he was on top, the company made money. You bring up that the three of them were there to help HHH out. The way I see that: HHH was the constant and he made money with all of them. Really not seeing how that's a bad thing.

Batista has the charisma of a block of wood, zero in ring ability and horrible on the mike kisses Triple H's ass and becomes a champ. Had it not been for the work of Edge, JBL, Booker and Triple H he wouldn't be half as admired as he is or was.

Translation: here's my opinion on Batista and while the masses seem to think differently, this is the best proof I have. Not to mention, you just admitted HHH helped him up the ladder, which is the whole point of what Norcal said.

Orton is good not great,

Wrong.

Sheamus didn't deserve his push but since Triple H liked him he got his shot. These three were people who kissed his ass and he threw them a bone.

How exactly do you not deserve a push? The argument constantly made is that no one new is added to the mix. He's added and is new, and the answer is "he got his spot because of HHH." I guess that's why the fans cheer him today and he got two world titles out of it, both times taking them from Cena. How exactly is that from HHH?

Orton is given a stable they pick guys who have a well respected last name, and voila they get a decent run.

What well respected wrestlers had the last name Evolution? I missed that one.

Cena was Vince's golden boy. He had to do that for his pop in law.

You really don't know what you're talking about do you?

Benoit was already an established performer, respected for his ability in the ring before he came to WWE and thanks to Bret Hart's induction, Benoit finally got his shot at the title. Benoit loses to Orton who then loses the title to who ... Triple H.

Yeah.....that whole HHH taps in the main event of Wrestlemania in the middle of Madison Square Garden in the biggest moment of that era had nothing to do with it at all did it? Do you have any idea what you're talking about?

Jeff Hardy ? Hardy had established his name with very little help from Triple H. Fans were already behind him before he even faced the self professed Game.

And his first big singles push came from beating........wait for it.......wait for it.......HHH, in 2001. Also who was in the title match where he won his first title? HHH. Who did he pin to start his rise to the title in 08? HHH. You're just stupid.

Triple H isn't some guy with no pull backstage, he listens in on storylines, he greatly influences many of the decisions that occur there. From who gets pushed to which trainers they use.

An executive and the guy Vicne said is taking over after he stops running things follows the stories backstage? Film at 11.

Stop kidding yourself. He was named creative advisor to Vince McMahon so how can you say he has no involvement in decision making when he is given a title that states that he does ?

I saw with my own eyes triple H win 13 titles. And for more than half of them no one gave a shit.

So you polled everyone and no one anywhere cared? Dang you need a life son.

You give me people who kissed his ass and tell me he made them. He made them because they stroked his fucking ego. Not because of their talent propelled them there.

You mean like at any other job? You mean guys that have made the company money? That sounds like an eye for talent to me.

You claim I make ASSUMPTIONS without proof, because you choose to dismiss the people who tell the truth about Triple H as liars or just jealous. Cornette, Angle, among others have made the case that Triple H's involvement has greatly aided his career and those of his friends (people who kiss his ass) and is a problem for the company. Hogan has said that Triple H plays the politics very well.

We have a man that wanted to physically attack Vince Russo and wants to see Vince McMahon poor in a gutter, a crazy drug addicted, semi-alcoholic that wanted Chris Sabin to cover himself in food and has been called out for lying by multiple people including law enforcement in various states, and Hulk Hogan, the biggest politician/liar in the history of wrestling. Great selection of honest people there.

The line up of people who tell you what goes on would be dismissed because you don't like what they're saying. Sorry, in that make believe fantasy bullshit world you live in, Triple H isn't where he is just because of his ability, (which is good not great) but because of his closeness to the family and how he uses it.

Yeah....you're still an idiot.

 

[jacdnwarrior]

Klunderbunker. You love to start shit with people don't you. You only have your self to blame for what comes next.

Or you could think of your own ideas. I know that might be a stretch but it's possible to think for yourself.

Let me help you with something. First I listen to those who worked for the company from Ivory to Cornette, performers, former creative staff who talked about their experiences working for the company. If you want to dismiss their experiences in favour of triple H that's your problem. Add to that H was named a creative advisor to Vince McMahon, even an ignorant piss ant like you can connect the dots, which shows that he has some input backstage. See some people like to listen to other people and try to figure out who they believe and who they don't. When the man in question, H admits to be being a person who deals with creative and is named creative consultant to Vince McMahon himself that tends to lead me to believe he's involved.

So.....when he was on top, the company made money. You bring up that the three of them were there to help HHH out. The way I see that: HHH was the constant and he made money with all of them. Really not seeing how that's a bad thing.

What do you mean by on top ? He had the belt ? Was part of the top main event ? Hell, Savage had the belt when Hogan was there, who do you think was the box office between the two ? Let me help you and give you a hint, it wasn't Savage. Show me a year where H was there and WWE made a lot of money, make sure you can tell me Austin, Rock or Mankind weren't there to carry his slack. BTW, when H was there as the man and neither Rock, Austin or Mankind were there how well did the WWE do ? How well would they have done if Cena and Batista weren't there. And was that better or worse than what was made when Rock or Austin were there ? Here's a hint: things were so great the shareholders were pissed with Vince, he had to call the Rock back to show H how the real main eventers make money. And since that was a total failure (wink), he decided to negotiate with Rock to return to WM to face off against Cena. You really killed me with that bullshit arguement

Translation: here's my opinion on Batista and while the masses seem to think differently, this is the best proof I have. Not to mention, you just admitted HHH helped him up the ladder, which is the whole point of what Norcal said.

If you look at Batista and tell me he's great on the mike or in the ring, that's your right. I know that's bullshit but you can believe what you want. I haven't seen a time where he ever impressed on the mike or the ring. If the performers he worked with weren't solid enough workers on the mike or in the ring, his title reigns would be nothing memorable. Batista had something Vince liked: a build. He also had H talking him up to Vince. Helping people you like, (or who suck your dick) isn't as great as helping to put over the best option. Popular yes, but not on Cena's level, he went as far as he could with WWE pushing him as best they could. He had success, for some one as limited as he was.

Orton is good at best, imo.

How exactly do you not deserve a push? The argument constantly made is that no one new is added to the mix. He's added and is new, and the answer is "he got his spot because of HHH." I guess that's why the fans cheer him today and he got two world titles out of it, both times taking them from Cena. How exactly is that from HHH?

Sheamus was some one H liked. SO he got his push, H talked to Vince and Vince said ok, let's try it. H liked how Sheamus worked in the ring. Sheamus isn't remarkable on the mike, in the ring. The only thing he did before getting a shot at Cena was beat up on Lawler, Noble, Goldust and a series with Benjamin. Compare him to the talent like Carlito, MVP, Anderson and he is crap. He's improved but he isn't so great with the fanbase as a heel, on the mike or in the ring to say let's make him a 2 time champ.


What well respected wrestlers had the last name Evolution? I missed that one.

Listen, I'll make it simple for you. Orton was a part of Evolution, some time later he started a faction called Legacy with Cody Rhodes and Ted Dibiase Jr and another guy who he pushed out, because he didn't believe they should be in. Legacy was a stable of seconde generation wrestlers. Vince in addition to loving the best bodies a pharmacist can prescribe, he also loves second generation performers. And he is a member of H's kliq.

You really don't know what you're talking about do you?

John Cena isn't my favourite performer but he is entertaining on the mike, he has a physique, he works hard, he draws money (tv ratings, sells ppv buyrates, and merchandise), which Vince likes. He also does whatever Vince asks. If Vince wants some one to be put over, Cena does it. Vince needs an appearance done, Cena's the man. That's what I mean when I say golden boy. H plays the game of a person who does the jobs Vince asks as a means to gain influence to push some of the things that he might want to see happen such as pushing certain performers, etc. So if Vince wants Cena to go over, he'll put Cena over.

Yeah.....that whole HHH taps in the main event of Wrestlemania in the middle of Madison Square Garden in the biggest moment of that era had nothing to do with it at all did it? Do you have any idea what you're talking about?

Let me help you with something. Benoit reputation as a solid performer had been established long before WWE. He was all over the world before WWE, Japan WCW etc. He had been a consistent performer who delivered in the ring but wasn't so great on the mike. Benoit, at the point, had been with the company for a considerable period of time. He had never been champ before. Before the event, the finish was to have HBK win the belt. Hart was to be inducted into the HoF. It wasn't a sure thing. The feeling was if Benoit was put over, (a former dungeon graduate and friend of the Hart family) it would sway Hart to accept the induction. Hart agreed to be inducted on a number of conditions including that HBK not be there or he'd walk out.

And his first big singles push came from beating........wait for it.......wait for it.......HHH, in 2001. Also who was in the title match where he won his first title? HHH. Who did he pin to start his rise to the title in 08? HHH. You're just stupid.

Hardy was a very popular performer before his singles' push. He (for whatever reason) had struck a chord with a fanbase. He sold merchandise, and Vince wanted Hardy pushed as he believed he was worthy of a run. H did the job on the insistence of Vince. He was involved in the triple threat but wasn't pinned by Hardy for the belt in that match, Edge was. Spare me your fucking insults. You're no bad ass typing insults on a website. You're just a snot nose little shit trying to act cute.

You mean like at any other job? You mean guys that have made the company money? That sounds like an eye for talent to me.

I love how you H loving idiots fall back on that. 'Oh it happens at any other job'. yes it does and it often leads to problems. People who get their position without any real aptitude for the job seldom works out. A performer that is pushed to the moon who the fans aren't solidly behind many times doesn't work. I don't give a shit about any other job, I'm talking about this company. Who made the company money ? Sheamus ? Orton ? Bullshit. Batista is probably the only one and it was mostly due to the people he faced in the ring (especially Edge and Taker) whose ability to draw heat saved the day. If these guys made the company money, why the hell is the Rock back headlining ppvs ?

We have a man that wanted to physically attack Vince Russo and wants to see Vince McMahon poor in a gutter, a crazy drug addicted, semi-alcoholic that wanted Chris Sabin to cover himself in food and has been called out for lying by multiple people including law enforcement in various states, and Hulk Hogan, the biggest politician/liar in the history of wrestling. Great selection of honest people there.

There was Austin, there were several authors, insiders including Dave Meltzer among others, contributors to this very site have spoken about the issue of H and his politicking, are they lying too ? If you have no interest in looking at the people who can tell you about what goes on in the WWE behind the scenes you don't have to. But that doesn't mean they aren't there.

Idiots are people who don't listen and pay attention when those who have information, speak to them. You want proof ? Hit up Kelly, Madden, contributors to this site and let them tell you about the politics and where H fits in. Thanks for the chat, dipshit.

 

[Canadian Knight]

You know I think you may well be right. Look I know there are alot of HHH fans out there who disagree because he has won all those championships you remember (a) He started to get noticed at the same time he started to go out with Steph (b) Jericho. The last time he came back wasn't HHH the one responsible for his mediocre start? (c) Billy Gun and Road Dogg. HHH wanted them back but they did not want to come back because of him.

Some are saying what does this have anything to do with him being overrated? Fact is that there have been plenty of times of him getting the major push. Does anyone remember when Flair was his manager? It seemed every month they had some other wrestler facing off against him which seemed to end the same way all the time, him retaining the belt. THAT IS THE REASON.

He is a good wrestler but don't tell me that he did not get to where he was because he was a good wrestler. He got here because he is connected.

 

[Cracka Jack]

Well, first off, the guy who is the most Overrated superstar of all time is Bill Goldberg.

Hey, stole my answer, and said basically everything I wanted to about that big 'ol botch machine.

Trips is massively talented. I don't know of too many guys who can be both such a despicable heel and such a funny and likeable face. Plus, he can tell one hell of a story in the ring. He would have been a World Champion many times over regardless of who he married, because he is one of the best wrestlers in recent memory. Get over that whole "buries everyone because of blah blah blah" bullshit and pay attention to the man's work.

 

[The 1-2-3 Killam]

I have a theory that people who truly believe Triple H is completely over-rated never really watched him during the end of the Attitude Era, moving into the early 2000's. As if Degeneration X wasn't enough, he was also the leader of Evolution! The two biggest factions in wrestling history, and the Game led both of them? That could be grounds for being completely over-rated I suppose, but I'm more inclined to believe he's just...as he would put it...that damn good!

His ring work is average at best...today. Go look up some older matches and feuds, and I think you'll change your mind. Maybe not. If people truly think Triple H is that bad, than that's your opinion and you're welcome to it. But I still think he's one of the all-time greats. While he stepped on a lot of people to get where he is, there's a lot of other, newer stars that wouldn't be half as good as they are without the Game.

How many people has Triple H "put over" and tried to turn into huge stars? Keep in mind you don't have to lose to put them over. Being in a great feud and making them look good is just as important... John Cena? He resurrected HBK's career. He gave Flair a place and a home near the end of his career. If it wasn't for him neither Orton nor Batista would have risen so high, so fast. It's not his fault Shelton Benjamin had no work ethic (supposedly), or that Eugene was limited by a terrible gimmick. He's had a lot of title runs, yes. But he's also done a lot of good for a lot of other people with those title runs. The most over-rated of all time? I hardly think so...

 

[Pay Per Ghost]

Sometimes you wanna shove people's opinion down their throats so it comes out their anus and they realize it's been crap all along.

Paul Levesque is one of the most all round superstars to have ever stepped in the ring. He is the epitomy of the complete package and someone even mentioning he's overrated is delusional.

Here's the deal, just because he held down more guys than Patterson's fluffycuffs, does not mean he's overrated. He is one of the best heels ever, and has top-class feuds time after time

 

[Dagger Dias]

Triple H is not the most overrated superstar of all time. Yes he's won more world titles than guys more legendary than him. So what though? Guys like Stone Cold, The Rock, Hogan, and Bret Hart all had better careers than him. Different guys will leave behind different legacies. Trips has his world titles and being married to Stephanie. Speaking of that.... Yes I'm sure it helped aid his pushes some, but give the man credit where it is deserved. Triple H is one of the best wrestlers of all time. He was able to do well in both the heel and face roles, good in the ring, great on the mic, and has given countless memorable moments. People blame the fact that he's married to Stephanie for being the reason he had such a good career. That's not the case. He is not overrated because even without being married to Stephanie he still would have been very successful and still would have accomplished just about everything that he did.

 

[FearMyBeard]

not most overrated,just sit next to hogan and goldberg,with very basic wrestling skills. knee facebuster,flowing ddt,spinebuster, pedigree and the game is over.at first sight u will like him 4 a month,then it seemed boring,only the spinebuster impressed me,but he had mainevented almost 10 years with this basic movesets(may be more to come).wrestling observer newsletter already mentioned this guy as 'most overrated wrestler of the year' 4 times(2002-2004,again in 2009 ),twice placed him second(2005,2008) and twice third(2006,2007).its true that he is more overrated than great.

So........ You want Triple H to start doing some moonsaults, flying chucks, shooting star presses and whatnot? How about the Rock? What does the Rock do that isn't considered "basic moveset"? Stone Cold? Telling a story > 1000 moves in your arsenal.

The average internet fan appreciating "TEH COMPLEKS AND MANY PLENTY MUVS" rather than ring psychology. Surprising? Not at all.

Triple H is easily one of the best pro wrestlers in the history of the WWE. The guy delivers both on the mic and inside the ring.
He has the look of a credible performer.
Doesn't do stupid things that would give the company a bad PR image.
Has came back from two very serious injuries.
He has made people invest on his character, be it during his megaheel run or now as a face. That's natural charisma right there.

With or without Stephanie, he would have risen to the top anyways. It's not like Stephanie gave him his abilities. Opportunities? Sure, but ultimately it was up to him to capitalize on those opportunities and he did. He ran with the ball and never looked back.

 

[1TheRockHHH]

This is fucking ridiculous! triple h is not the most overrated superstar if your gonna call him overrated then you might as well call austin,hbk,rock,edge,lesnar and every superstar who has ever made it to the top the most overrated.Triple H paid his dues and was a main eventer and world champion before he even married stephanie.He was the biggest heel 1999-2006,he lead 2 of the biggest factions DX and Evolution
People who call HHH the most overrated superstar are probably blind because the most overrated superstar at this time is JOHN CENA!!!

 

[Headman]

After reading the original post I expected to see this guy flamed to oblivion. For atleast the first page that was not the case. All I can say is that Triple H is much better than "Decent at best" and have to question you ability to judge in-ring talent. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, and I can respect someone thinking Triple is overrated, but to portray Triple H as someone who was never over until he slept his way to 14 world titles is, well... dumb. I also saw someone else ask how could anyone have a bad match with RVD? Well a lot of people had bad matches with RVD because he is a sloppy spotmonkey with a 50% botch ratio, but that is neither here nor there.

Pencil me in there with the group of people who think Triple H is not overrated.