Is Triple H The Most Overrated Superstar of All Time?

[Negrodamus]

I dont think HHH is overrated, but I do think 14 titles is too much for him.
Granted he is one of the best heels all time you just have to watch the Attitude era to see that.
My guess is this was a young poster who missed it. BUT HHH as a champion or as a face was never good. he was always a great chaser for the title ( maybe best ever ).
The reason HHH got to 14 titles is because after SCSA and The Rock left we were at the changing of the guard in the wwe. new stars forced to be created quickly and him losing the title to them so that they could build up new stars.
there was nobody to really put the belt on that the fans would Love they put it on someone things didnt work like they planned so they HAD to put the strap back on him.
his 2nd and 3rd stint of DX stuff to me wasnt funny at all but he had to do it to sell merchandise.
Overrated hell NO caught in a bad time in the business is the reason you would think that.

HHH = Greatest Heel Ever Greatest Title Chaser Ever

 

[Yarrie]

I can not believe someone who actually post this over rated crap again. And that video, dear god, they hate hunter and the reason was because he disapproved of their drug use!!!
Are you actually kidding???? I love NAOL they were my fav, but because they were in DX, other wise no one would have cared. Apart form the drug issue they basically mocked his mustache, I am so sorry pink pants and braids are you crapping me??? HHH is so not overrated, this matches are amazing. People need to remember Vince called Trips back in the day and offered him a run in the WWE, so maybe, just maybe Vince saw something in him even back then, excuse him for falling in love with the bosses daughter!!! And for being best friends with HBK, mental note for all aspiring talent, sit int he corner of the dressing room and not speak to anyone in case you have to put up with the same crap Trips does. Ridiculous.

 

[AntiChristDeicide]

The guy was screwing Chyna for christ sakes. Nuff Said. Yes, Triple H is overrated. This garbage era started what around 2003. Lets see, whose in charge of creative. She is married to who, Triple H. Triple h usually wastes 15 minutes of raw for promos. His matches are the equivalent to John Cenas. The big difference is Cena products sell, HHH's dont. Thats the extent of it. Hes never been a stand out wrestler.

Are you taking the same stuff Jeff Hardy takes? I said it before and i'll say it again, if HHH wasn't good he wouldn't lasted this long in WWE. He is there since 1994 (before the attitude era by the way). Yeah he is married to Stephanie Mcmahon, but she is not the boss of the company (not yet anyways) Vince f'n Mcmahon is. So if Vince wouldn't have liked him as a wrestler, HHH would have been fired way before the infamous "MSG incident" (by the way HHH maried Stephanie Mcmahon around 2000-2001). His matches are the equivalent to John Cenas. The big difference is Cena products sell, HHH's dont No the big difference is that men over the age of 10 don't buy Cena MERCH.

 

[ltrav1984]

The elimination chamber match with Edge was bull shit. He basically got a few free titles. He is an overrated piece of shit.

If ur talkin about a guy who got free titles you have to put edge in that as well because half of his title reigns came because of his on-screen relationship with vickie guerrero

Imo triple h is by far the best heel the wwe has ever had he just knew how to get under people skins

 

[realbrutha]

The guy was screwing Chyna for christ sakes. Nuff Said. Yes, Triple H is overrated. This garbage era started what around 2003. Lets see, whose in charge of creative. She is married to who, Triple H. Triple h usually wastes 15 minutes of raw for promos. His matches are the equivalent to John Cenas. The big difference is Cena products sell, HHH's dont. Thats the extent of it. Hes never been a stand out wrestler.

Great post, finally someone sees the light. Nothing is great about that guy in the slightest bit. Greatest heel of all time my ass. Jericho,Piper,Edge,THe Rock,Stone Cold and hell even Christian have him beat in that department. Hes boring as a face. Triple H is overrated. He himself admitted on HBK DVD that he gave Vince the idea for the Montreal Screw job that involved HBK vs Brett Hart. Vince loved the guy for it and paid him back with championship titles

 

[izzyinsanity666]

Even if your argument that he wouldn't have gotten where he was if he hadn't been screwing Stephanie was true, which maybe it is, that doesn't mean he was overrated. Sometimes that's how you get to be the top man in the industry in wrestling, you're in the right place at the right time, and you capitalize. You can form all the opinions you want about him being a dirt-bag, a jerk, or over-rated, but you can't deny the facts. Regardless of his relationship with Stephanie, Vince STILL made him what he was, just like Vince makes everybody else what THEY are. Triple H IS a 13 time World Champion, he HAS been in great feuds with anybody you could compare him to, Austin, The Rock, Cena, Taker, Michaels, etc. You simply can't say that Triple H is overrated just because he was in the right place at the right time, doing the right things. If that was the case, you'd have to call Sting overrated. He was in a gym with Hogan when he became a wrestler, and they became friends. Does that make him overrated? No, he was a valuable asset to WCW and now TNA in every single way, just as Triple H was and maybe still is, for WWF/E.

 

[AntiChristDeicide]

Greatest heel of all time my ass. Jericho,Piper,Edge,THe Rock,Stone Cold and hell even Christian have him beat in that department.

Christian Christian ????? really really?? In TNA, sure he was a good heel but in WWE? Man lay off the stuff Jeff Hardy takes. Yeah he might be boring as a face, but thats because he is so damn good as a heel dumbass.

 

[FightOwensFight]

First, like a couple others have said, using that video as a basis for your argument is pretty silly. The only thing concrete that they referenced was him not approving of their drug use. Sorry, but that is perfectly reasonable. Then use Orton as an example of him holding people down? He had Orton beat the hell out of his entire family (and kiss his wife and DDT her) to put him over. Not really holding anyone down if you ask me.

As far as the "he wouldn't be anything if he wasn't married to Stephanie" nonsense. Let me explain it as easily as I can. Do you honestly think Vince McMahon (a man who, above all else, wants his company to make money) would push a guy that wasn't popular, wasn't good in the ring, and wasn't a good worker to the levels HHH attained simply because he was with his daughter? That is insane. HHH was and still is hugely popular. He almost always get's the largest pop of anyone in the company, and has been doing it for almost 20 years. Sorry, but that is why he is where he is today. Not because he is with Stephanie. Him being involved more directly in the creative process probably netted him a few extra belts and certainly helped position him for his current/future role within the company, but even if he had never dated Stephanie, HHH would still be a multiple-time World Champion (likely double-digits).

 

[realbrutha]

Even if your argument that he wouldn't have gotten where he was if he hadn't been screwing Stephanie was true, which maybe it is, that doesn't mean he was overrated. Sometimes that's how you get to be the top man in the industry in wrestling, you're in the right place at the right time, and you capitalize. You can form all the opinions you want about him being a dirt-bag, a jerk, or over-rated, but you can't deny the facts. Regardless of his relationship with Stephanie, Vince STILL made him what he was, just like Vince makes everybody else what THEY are. Triple H IS a 13 time World Champion, he HAS been in great feuds with anybody you could compare him to, Austin, The Rock, Cena, Taker, Michaels, etc. You simply can't say that Triple H is overrated just because he was in the right place at the right time, doing the right things. If that was the case, you'd have to call Sting overrated. He was in a gym with Hogan when he became a wrestler, and they became friends. Does that make him overrated? No, he was a valuable asset to WCW and now TNA in every single way, just as Triple H was and maybe still is, for WWF/E.

Sting is Miles better than Triple H and its not even a close run. Ring work,pops from the crowd and he knows how to carry Goldberg through a match unlike Triple H. The match between Triple h and Goldberg was horrible.

Triple H is an alright heel, whats he got? like two moves (pedigree and spine buster) just because Triple H was a steriod freak and like to spit water in the air dont make him great.

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[Ding_Dong_#2]

Triple H has some talent but not enough talent for him to justify holding the world title fourteen times - that is a real slap in the face to many other wrestlers who have worked harder, tried harder and done more to further the business in general.

He is slightly above average on the mike, below average in terms of in-ring ability, a good character in terms of the Triple H image but nothing stands out for me, nothing compared to many greats of the game.

I cannot stand John Cena but I respect him, mainly because he has a great work ethic, genuinely cares about the business and makes a lot of effort to improve himself. I can't say any of these things about Triple H in all honesty and that is why I do believe he is undeserving of his status and title history. Sleeping with the bosses daughter may not have earned him his place but no-one on this forum could argue that it hasn't helped him.

 

[dilfp]

If my opinion is irrelevant why are you posting on my threads? Secondly everyone is entitled to their own opinion. In my opinion Triple H would not be a 14 time world champion had he not been screwing Vinces daughter. He was released from WCW before he even started his career in the WWF. I think he won world title before he met Stephanie, but thats because he was close to HBK who was close to Vince. Remember it was Triple H idea for the montreal incident with Brett Hart. That got him in good with Vince.

Only thing Triple H ever worked hard at was getting close to Vince. He had everything given to him on a silver platter. He does not deserve to be a 14 time world champ some of them times he won was just bullshit. Like how he came back after being gone from injury and just showed up at a ppv, WITH NO BUILD UP OR ANYTHING and beat Booker T. That was bullshit. The elimination chamber match with Edge was bull shit. He basically got a few free titles. He is an overrated piece of shit.

I typically don't post on threads, but here is a bit of history for you. Do you remember the "cliq"? after the madison square debacle Vince burried Hunter for, oh, i don't know, 3 or 4 years because he couldn't "punish" Kev or Scott because they were gone, and HBK was one of the top guys at the time. Triple H stuck it out, managed to build a good gimick, and with a few exceptions, hasn't hurt anyone during his career no matter what match he's been in. His ring work is clean, and his promos are some of the best. One of the big things that makes him stand out is that his move set does harken back to some of the "greats" (i.e. Race's knee lift, AA's spinebuster...), he has the look, the move set, and the mic ability to be in the top of the sport for a reason, he knows the history

 

[GameOver]

WTF are you serious you take a shoot interview where clearly The Outlaws are talking about HHH personally still give him credit professionally start a completely biased thread to no avail about this guy being overrated but instead come off looking like a 12 year old 3rd grader. FAIL! Wheres your evidence stating that HHH is overrated EPIC FAIL!

Yeah i lol'd at the thread title, not to mention it's posted in a Spam freee zone and is obvious gonna get flamed and spammed.

so you take your evidence that he is epic fail from 2 nobody's who beyond being great Tag Team players were nothing else in any organisation?

If Triple H is way overrated, then what is Hogan? what is Cena?
They both have half the talent Triple H does overall. just because they catered to a select group of fanbase that makes them the greatest?

could mention hundreds of others that are well above in terms of being massively overrated. Kevin Nash, Goldberg, Sting, Jeff Jarret, Jeff Hardy to name a few all those guys are marketed to be great but have bugger all talent or are losers personally.

 

[alistahr]

Wow. Dude, you are probably one of the biggest trolls in the history of these Forums. Congratulations. If only you could spell your way out of a nutsack, then maybe you'd get a decent amount of respect.

Alas, this is not the case. But I'll play along, I suppose. Whether or not he was banging Stephanie, he would still have a mass amount of World Titles. Why? Because he was easily the best heel of the 2000's. Being the best anything for an entire decade is more than enough reason to label him as an all time great. Now I will say that he kept himself in the limelight a bit too much, and he didn't help enough guys get over in the earlier part of the decade, but he definitely helped guys like Batista, Cena, Orton, and Sheamus some of the best stars of today. Also, he clearly is one of the most over guys on the entire roster so I'd say he deserves some recognition.

I'll just keep going back to this old argument just to piss you off. You think R-Truth is better than Cena. Your opinion on anything is completely irrelevant. It's going to take a tremendous amount of work to dig you out of that monster of a hole.

And you are a douche bag who doesnt respect others peoples opinions, hes entitled to his, but thats whats wrong with this site, if anybody shits on wwe or any of its "superstars" theyre trolls, or smarks, and if someone tries to argue that they get banned.

YES HE IS, i am not a fan of cena at all, but i always see he gets trashed for using the same "5 moves", have you noticed triple h uses probably about 4??

lets review:
knee to the face
spinebuster
troll yell
knee to the face while opponent on the ground
then pedigree

THATS IT! thats a triple h match

People just buy whatever wwe tells them, they tell them triple h is gonna be a legend and theyre gonna buy it, hes not, hes pretty average. Look at the horrible shit he put together with taker. For a moment pretend that wasnt trips and taker, and it was a couple of nobodies, would you be saying it was a good match?? NO, it is only cause wwe has been telling you theyre superstars and that you buy into.

go a head a call me a smark, which is stupid and makes no sense, since when is it a bad thing to review a show or a character and have an opinion on it?

 

[Little Jerry Lawler]

And you are a douche bag who doesnt respect others peoples opinions, hes entitled to his, but thats whats wrong with this site, if anybody shits on wwe or any of its "superstars" theyre trolls, or smarks, and if someone tries to argue that they get banned.

YES HE IS, i am not a fan of cena at all, but i always see he gets trashed for using the same "5 moves", have you noticed triple h uses probably about 4??

lets review:
knee to the face
spinebuster
troll yell
knee to the face while opponent on the ground
then pedigree

THATS IT! thats a triple h match

People just buy whatever wwe tells them, they tell them triple h is gonna be a legend and theyre gonna buy it, hes not, hes pretty average. Look at the horrible shit he put together with taker. For a moment pretend that wasnt trips and taker, and it was a couple of nobodies, would you be saying it was a good match?? NO, it is only cause wwe has been telling you theyre superstars and that you buy into.

go a head a call me a smark, which is stupid and makes no sense, since when is it a bad thing to review a show or a character and have an opinion on it?

It's sad that people still bitch about the number of moves a wrestler does like it matters. It's all about execution and psychology and HHH does it very well. People like you need a lesson on this subject.

 

[Sir_Michael_Cole]

If Triple H is way overrated, then what is Hogan? what is Cena?
They both have half the talent Triple H does overall. just because they catered to a select group of fanbase that makes them the greatest?

Really? You're calling Hogan and Cena overrated while defending Triple H? Hogan is the biggest star in the history of the business and Triple H only dreams of being half as over with the crowd and cared about by the crowd as Hogan was. Hogan made pro wrestling, and Triple H is an afterthought. He's the guy that faces the guy that people care about. Triple H is not in Cena's league either. Cena is a much bigger star than Triple H ever was. He wishes he was as popular as Cena, and wishes he was even close to Cena's level of overness.

And to those who think his relationship with Steph is irrelevant, think about it this way. If it were Jericho who married Steph, do you really think he'd have the same number of titles he has now? I think he'd be the one with 13 title runs instead of Triple H, and he'd be the one involved with creative all these years rather than Triple H booking himself to win titles. Triple H defenders, if you really think that his and Jericho's title runs would be no different if they changed places, then you're too blindly in love with Triple H and it's preventing you from thinking rationally.

 

[realbrutha]

Really? You're calling Hogan and Cena overrated while defending Triple H? Hogan is the biggest star in the history of the business and Triple H only dreams of being half as over with the crowd and cared about by the crowd as Hogan was. Hogan made pro wrestling, and Triple H is an afterthought. He's the guy that faces the guy that people care about. Triple H is not in Cena's league either. Cena is a much bigger star than Triple H ever was. He wishes he was as popular as Cena, and wishes he was even close to Cena's level of overness.

And to those who think his relationship with Steph is irrelevant, think about it this way. If it were Jericho who married Steph, do you really think he'd have the same number of titles he has now? I think he'd be the one with 13 title runs instead of Triple H, and he'd be the one involved with creative all these years rather than Triple H booking himself to win titles. Triple H defenders, if you really think that his and Jericho's title runs would be no different if they changed places, then you're too blindly in love with Triple H and it's preventing you from thinking rationally.

Excellent post. Also people saying he won a titles before stephanie, but they also forget that it was Triple H's idea for the who Montreal mahem between Brett and Shawn. So he was actually in good with Vince very much so after that. Vince told Triple H and Shawn Michaels they were to never speak on what really happened. Of course theycan talk about it now. But they said this themselves on HBK HeartBreak and Triump DVD. After this Vince would do anything to make Triple H happy after this so he wouldnt get exposed.

 

[EastCoastFan]

I have to disagree with the statement. HHH was a very good wrestler and had a great look. His promos as a heel were better (as a face, his promos tended to be kind of juvenile). He had at least one reign as WWF Champion even before they started the storyline with Stephanie. He was going to be a top guy no matter what.

That said, I should also say that while he had the talent to be a top guy, he wasn't right to be THE top guy. People couldn't stand him always being in the title picture and he's credited as one of the reasons WWE's ratings declined in the early-mid 2000's.

 

[alistahr]

Excellent post. Also people saying he won a titles before stephanie, but they also forget that it was Triple H's idea for the who Montreal mahem between Brett and Shawn. So he was actually in good with Vince very much so after that. Vince told Triple H and Shawn Michaels they were to never speak on what really happened. Of course theycan talk about it now. But they said this themselves on HBK HeartBreak and Triump DVD. After this Vince would do anything to make Triple H happy after this so he wouldnt get exposed.

Also what people choose to forget is that before Stephanie, there was Shawn Michaels, and Vince let him get away with everything. Yes he knows how to play the game, sadly it is only the politics game.

 

[dude_d_dude]

It's sad that people still bitch about the number of moves a wrestler does like it matters. It's all about execution and psychology and HHH does it very well. People like you need a lesson on this subject.

Sorry Lawler I gotta bring something up here

Personally I don't care if you can do 657893 moves in 78 seconds, but are you really saying that we shouldn't be bored if ALL we see is the same general 7-8 moves from someone?

I know for a fact guys like Cena and HHH have more than 5 moves (come on people wake up) but I believe we DO have a right to be annoyed when their ENTIRE ARSENAL is somewhat limited. Cena's been trying to use that dropkick again recently (i think) so I guess that's a start.

I mean hey, if you enjoy watching a perfectly executed spinebuster week in, week out, for the entirety of his career then all the power to you.

I think some people here are just frustrated at the lack of moves that seem to be presented by these multiple time world champions. I think they'd like a reason to believe WHY they've won so many titles and WHY we should believe you're the 'champion of the world/WWE', if you've won more championships than you have moves in your arsenal, I think it pisses people off, and rightfully so.

 

[TwhTrolls]

Lmfao. Are you serious dude? Triple H most overrated? C'mon! This guy is one of THE best out there. He has the dedication and skill. He has great mic skills. He didn't need to speak a word to cut the promo between him and Undertaker at Wrestlemania 27! His ring skills? Dude hes a big buff guy, and how fast does he move? Undertaker carried him? LMAO! Wtf. I'm not sure if it's me or not. Every time I blinked he was on the floor and Triple H was up and hitting him. What happened at the end of the match. Undertake lost, but who walked out first? And overrated because of Steph? He has a lot of title reigns before her! Did Stephine heal him when he got injured on his quad? Not only did he injure his quad but he finished the match. Seriously little kid go suck on Hornswaggles pubes!

 

[GW_Hart86]

That video of the New Age Outlaws is embarrassing, I used to be a big fan of them and thought they were one of the greatest tag teams of all time, but they have thrown it all away with that interview. The two of them come across as bitter, jealous, full of themselves a**holes. Who is going to listen to a couple of has beens who have got themselves into all kinds of trouble over the years. To actually have the arrogance to sit their and claim they lifted the likes of Austin/HHH to the big time is so foolish and really shows them for what they really are. Simply put, they may have made the world stage as a tag team, but as singles competitors, they were as Bret Hart put it "A couple of mid-carders". Nothing more and nothing less.

I'm sure there is probably an element of truth to what they are saying in relation to HHH, it's no secret that HHH has back stabbed and cheated his way to get to the top, everyone knows he has. However, I think HHH regardless of whether he was in a relationship with stephanie or not, would still be on top in the WWE. I don't think he would be a 14 time champion without Stephanie, but he would still have been great. He has outstanding mic skills and in ring ability and is one of the most consistant performers in WWE history.

I do definately agree with the point made previously that he held a lot of talent back over the years, he most certainly did. He is one of the main reasons a lot of the talent these days is struggling to break through because his character and legacy was forced on the fans and people have got so used to him that they don't know any different and are lost with the business now he is near enough gone for good.

 

[nevets]

First time posting here but read this and had to comment,

How can HHH be overated, the guy is a legend. August 1999 until he got injured in 2001 was all about HHH. He was wwf, feuding with the rock, being behind austins hit n run, then the 2 man power trip. As for it all being because of him banging steph that aint true. HHH was supposed to get the push austin got by winning kotr and starting austin 316 but hhh didnt becuase of the whole curtain call incident. Obviously its good austin won but that shows hhh was always going to be a big time player.

Taker did not carry him at mania, as i recall taker was on his ass 80% of the match. Look what HHH did with evolution, elevated 2 younger guys into future wwe and world champions and arguably the biggest names in wwe.

As for the new age outlaws video, that really got me down because I used to love those guys but that just shows them up as 2 bitter assholes who should probably be grateful for getting to work with wwe while they openly admit were doing drugs at the time. That vid is embarassing and if I were HHH and I saw that, I would laugh my ass off. Brett hart was correct, mid card talent. Even when billy gunn won kotr and he got a push he just ended up with the rock shoving his face in a fat womans ass....2 bitter pricks.

Im not the biggest HHH fan but I appreciate how great he is and how at times he has carried the whole company.

 

[MEGAFAN420]

We all know, as regular blue or white collar workers in the real world, if you are married to the business owner's daughter... you have stroke and are more likely to be promoted to a higher position in the company! HHH didn't wrestle for a year and gets a top spot at WM27, then disappears again.

How many other WWE wrestlers could take a year off and get that match vs Undertaker and then disappear the next day? Being a son-in-law has privledges!

He still deserves credit as he was trained by Killer Kowalski and worked his way us through the ranks. He was cleanly defeated by Alex Wright at a WCW PPV when he was Jean Paul Levesque. I would not call him overrated, but he truely has stroke in the company!

 

[jacdnwarrior]

This subject does come a lot. HHH is a very interesting performer and topic and if you speak to enough people, you'll get a different number thoughts on him.I would be totally dishonest if I came to this topic with anything less than total honesty. I can't stand certain performers. I've never been a fan of Hogan, HBK or Triple H. That being said, I can't deny their abilities. Hogan (thanks to Andre doing the job) became the biggest star in wrestling in the 1980s and helped take WWF to a level it hadn't seen before. HBk is an amazing performer in the ring. Triple H has been with WWE for a long period of time, worked hard and paid his dues and was part of the WWE's second surge to the main stream during the Attitude Era.


That being said, the problem for me with Triple H is the same problem I have with Hogan and HBK. They are ridiculously promoted. They force these guys down your throats to a point where you're choking on their bootlaces. Triple H is overly promoted. He gets a lot of air time, he gets the cool nicknames, 'The Cerebral Assassin', the 'Game', King of Kings, and such, the absurd number of title reigns, and so on. You can make up some bullshit arguement, that he would have been where he is right now, if he had not been close to Vince and then married Stephanie, used his influence with the family, stabbed people in the back, that he would have still had all those reigns or would have been in the main event. That's okay if you want to believe that, but I certainly don't believe that nonsense. You can say that 'politics is a part of the business and that's just the way it goes' Say whatever you want, but the truth is you take away all these things from Triple H and you get a good performer. He's good in the ring, good on the mike, but there are other performers who are, were as good if not better than he his or was. He is a draw, but nowhere as good as Austin or the Rock. He's a good worker, but I would put Angle, Benoit and Bret Hart among others above him any day of the week. I'd like to say he's put his politicking behind him and is just interested in putting out a great product but I doubt that.

 

[Yarrie]

Um just a question Megafan420, if not Trips at WM who else??? And ummm guys...he lost. If he was such an arrogant a hole, he would have ended the streak. If he ran the company and always got what he wanted he would have been the first to beat UT. Wise up, there was no one else. the UT is king of the locker room not Trips. Who cares if people dont like him back stage, if the are all like Road Dogg and Billy Gunn they dont deserve the opportunity to be in the WWE. And remember when HHH was a heal he alway cheated to win, he could have been the most dominant person and not had to cheat to win. If he was so greedy he could have been WWE Champion 25 times...you haters are just so sad...