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Is there no pleasing the IWC?

Of course there's no pleasing the IWC...but how many groups of people that large ARE easily pleased? I've come to accept the fact that no matter what the WWE does, there will be people unhappy with what they did. But that's the case with any TV show, is it not? But I really have to take issue with the people complaining about No Mercy, and specifically what Triple H did.

Did you people start watching wrestling last week? What happened at No Mercy was standard procedure in the wrestling world, that is how it ALWAYS goes. It was nothing special for Triple H. Make the face look good, show they're clearly better than the heel, and have the heel find a shady way to win. That makes the fans want to see the heel get what's coming to him even more. That's the only way the face and heel can both come out of it looking as good as possible. You want Orton to destroy Triple H and beat him cleanly? You want them to bury their top face and destroy his credibility. Yeah, great idea. Make it so nobody cares about the Triple H - Umaga fued, and make Orton look like the perfect unbeatable wrestler so nobody will cheer for HBK against him. Great idea.

You people complained when Triple H buried everybody when he was a heel, and you were right. As a heel he was beating faces cleanly, thus burying them, and that was the wrong thing to do. And now you want Orton to do the exact same thing? What is wrong with you people. Do you even think before you go complaining about something, or do you just like complaining that much?

Triple H wasn't going to be in the title picture. He wasn't anywhere near it. The WWE were in an emergency situation, needed him to step up, and for one night he did. He gave Orton a huge heel rub and now he's back out of the title hunt again, fueding with Umaga while HBK fueds with Orton.

I do agree with the person that said it's the internet's fault...the IWC brings it on themselves, by reading spoilers and rumors and knowing what's going to happen in advance. Of course you're going to think it's predictable when you know what's going to happen. That's why the WWE doesn't care about or listen to the IWC...they worry about the majority of their fans, the ones that aren't part of the IWC. They're a lot easier to please and have much more realistic expectations. The IWC is sort of like a bunch of kids who look at their parents receipts before Christmas and then complain that they weren't surprised by any of the presents.

As for HBK's return...two things: first, I'm a huge HBK fan and I'm very glad to see him back. Second, I think it's ludicrous to have him come back and within a minute go after the champ. What happened to earning your way up, especially for a guy who hasn't been champ in god knows how long? A guy returns and within a minute he's attacking the champ, and presumably he's going to get a title shot three weeks after his return. And the people happy about that are the same ones complaining that Triple H got back into the title picture so soon, even though he waited two frickin months, and he's already back out of it. But it's all fine and dandy and yay for HBK getting into the title picture on his first night back.

And yes, I was one of the people complaining that Orton won the title at No Mercy. I didn't watch Raw tonight and I don't plan on it until that scum of the Earth doesn't have the title anymore. I believe that God invented the DVR just so I can record Raw and fast forward through his matches and promos. But I've been saying for months that I didn't want to see him be the champ. I would've preferred to see Triple H keep the belt, especially after finding out that HBK returned on Raw. They should have had HBK cost Orton the title against Triple H, so they could have Orton and HBK fued without the title, and then have Trips and Umaga fued over the title.

And finally, in response to the krzkid, who said it's not right to go off on someone because you disagree with them...seriously, what do you think these forums are for? Everybody has the right to an opinion and everybody else has an equal right to disagree with everybody else's opinion. If people didn't want somebody going off on them and disagreeing with them, I don't think they'd come to such a public place and express their views.
 
You people complained when Triple H buried everybody when he was a heel, and you were right. As a heel he was beating faces cleanly, thus burying them, and that was the wrong thing to do. And now you want Orton to do the exact same thing? What is wrong with you people. Do you even think before you go complaining about something, or do you just like complaining that much?

Triple H wasn't going to be in the title picture. He wasn't anywhere near it. The WWE were in an emergency situation, needed him to step up, and for one night he did. He gave Orton a huge heel rub and now he's back out of the title hunt again, fueding with Umaga while HBK fueds with Orton.

I do agree with the person that said it's the internet's fault...the IWC brings it on themselves, by reading spoilers and rumors and knowing what's going to happen in advance. Of course you're going to think it's predictable when you know what's going to happen. That's why the WWE doesn't care about or listen to the IWC...they worry about the majority of their fans, the ones that aren't part of the IWC. They're a lot easier to please and have much more realistic expectations. The IWC is sort of like a bunch of kids who look at their parents receipts before Christmas and then complain that they weren't surprised by any of the presents.

As for HBK's return...two things: first, I'm a huge HBK fan and I'm very glad to see him back. Second, I think it's ludicrous to have him come back and within a minute go after the champ. What happened to earning your way up, especially for a guy who hasn't been champ in god knows how long? A guy returns and within a minute he's attacking the champ, and presumably he's going to get a title shot three weeks after his return. And the people happy about that are the same ones complaining that Triple H got back into the title picture so soon, even though he waited two frickin months, and he's already back out of it. But it's all fine and dandy and yay for HBK getting into the title picture on his first night back.

Well said my friend. Those few paragraphs pretty much sum up how I feel, plus much more. I believe thats rep worthy. And to all of you saying that each fan has their own beliefs. Yeah, we all have our own beliefs, and we all want somthing different, so there is no pleasing ALL of us. But what got me pissed was the HUGE ammounts of people ripping into John Cena, not just the charecter, but the man. yeah, we can diss the charecter, but what kind of person boo's the hardest working man in sports entertainment today, and cheers for, in my opinion, one of the most undeserving individuals in said business? You'd have to be an asshole to cheer an asshole, and you'd have to be heartless to cheer for an inhury to the superstar with the most heart around.
 
All I can really say is that I have had a mini boycott of Raw since Blandy became a top heel. That being said after No Mercy I have effectivly stopped watching Raw All Together. Well I wont Lie the 1st 5 min I tuned in once I saw Boreton I turned it off and watched some CSI Reruns.
 
Ok, after reading your post, I thought I would make my first real reply on here.

So, your first comment about the WWE title situation. Personally, I am glad Cena got injured because now I can watch RAW without having to skip 20 minutes a week. I am glad he is off my TV and is no longer the champion since he was as stale as 4 week old milk. No Cena = Good viewing for me

Secondly, I had a problem with Orton being handed the championship. WWE could have easily put on a battle royal, or if they just wanted to give the title to Orton, have him beat a jobber in a title match. The other problem is something a lot of people bitched about with TNA last year. Hotshotting of the title. The title changed hands 3 times in 1 night. That is why I think a lot of people were complaining about Triple H winning and then losing it to Orton. The title is now worthless. All the work WWE did with superman...sorry, Cena, is undone. The title was being billed as their top title, yet it was given away, lost and then regained all in the space of 3 hours.

Now, the tag divisions are officially dead. And when you have to revive The Brothers of Destruction to add a new match in the tag division, thats where it shows. Each show (well, RAW and SmackDown!) has 2-4 full time teams. RAW has London and Kendrick, The Highlanders, The Worlds Greatest Tag Team (although they are pretty much Heat exclusive) and the champions, Cade and Murdoch. SmackDown! has Lenny and Squiggy (aka. Deuce and Domino) and Jesse and Festus. The champions are a makeshift team which is related to a feud which doesn't involve the tag titles, we all know its building to Hardy vs MVP for the US title.

May I also ask, is there a cruiserweight division? They have a match a week. And watching SmackDown! last week, Noble vs Yang was a slow paced boring match.

Oh, and Cena isn't really the best person to have with Congress breathing down their necks. Don't believe me? Take a look at this:
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Are you telling me that is in no way enhanced by steroids? The difference between Cena and Funaki, is Cena makes enough money to get his from somewhere that leaves no paper trail. And do you honestly think WWE would tell us if Cena was testing positive monthly? We've seen now, WWE had no backup plan, so they would need to ask the "creative" team to make something before suspending their cash cow

And personally, I like Santino since his recent heel turn. The "guy next door" gimmick was lame, the cocky, arrogant, egotistical Italian is how he should have debuted.
 
I see alot of you are upset about last night, but theres alot more than just that. You've all been complaining about just about everything that the WWE has done in the past few years. Last night was one upseting night. You rag on the Tag Team divison, the crusierweight division, the diva search, half the roster, everything. I want people to start saying some nice stuff. Actually, I have a challenge. Anyone thats doing the Live RAW Discussion tonight, try not to rag about everything. Don't sarcastically say "Oh Boy, here comes the champ", or "Someone Sucks", shit like that. Because every single person in the WWE, wether it's a wrestler or a backstage staff, they're doing their jobs. If you can do better, apply for the job. If you don't get it, your not as good as you think., and probably not better than them.

Seriously, did you just include the Diva Search in your rant? The diva search is part of the reason why the WWE Womens division sucks so god damn much. WWE litters the division with worthless talent that don't really go on to aspire to anything (Candice Michelle aside). And what really bugs me is that WWE fires women who they claim aren't "hot" enough but I think its just as much the fans fault when that happens as WWE's. I think the WWE womens division is essentially one big beauty pageant hosted more by the FANS, not WWE. WWE plays their part, but we the fans decide who is popular enough to stay on the roster, thats the only reason why I can see WWE bringing back the Diva Search consistently every year. IMO, most of the IWC is so upstuck about the women who wrestle that THEIR the ones that send the message to WWE saying that we want sex appeal to outweigh wrestling ability. Because It just doesn't make sense for WWE to be putting on some of the best matches in the history of the womens division in the 2002 - 2004 period (Both on Raw and Smackdown), but in a matter of 2 short years later, the whole division went to crap, on Raw, on Smackdown, and ECW (WWE didn't even try with ECW). I just can't see how WWE can take full responsibility for the entire womens division going into the shitter in the last 2 or 3 years, and to prove my point, here are 4 women (who I think are all gorgeous). These women all have the good looks, with exceptional wrestling skill, but I swear any fan of WWE whose used to seeing to seeing their women, whom the majority are all in that perfect 10 region, I'd bet money that the average WWE fan would sooner take someone like Ashley or Torrie or Layla then someone like these girls, even though theirs nothing wrong with them.

and seeing as how WWE changed Lita, Molly, Ivory, Chyna, Victoria, Gail Kim, Beth, Mickie, Jillian, and Cherry for the better, why not these girls too?

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What i did was....stop watching....i no longer watch WWE programming, it has pissed me off to the point where a year ago i thought..no more..i read results to see if a good match/moment was on and i may try and find it on the net.

I fully support TNA and there programming and ROH and watch Indy feds....but if i continued to watch or care about what WWE did ... id just be on here ranting about shit it was constantly.
 
But there is a difference. Triple H doesn't make money, he works with guys who make money. Triple H has had himself inserted in feuds with the likes of Stone Cold and the Rock, now look at the difference in following between the time these men were coming to the end of their wrestling ventures to now. There is a dramatic drop because Stone Cold and the Rock drew fans, when they went, people didn't care.
 
But there is a difference. Triple H doesn't make money, he works with guys who make money. Triple H has had himself inserted in feuds with the likes of Stone Cold and the Rock, now look at the difference in following between the time these men were coming to the end of their wrestling ventures to now. There is a dramatic drop because Stone Cold and the Rock drew fans, when they went, people didn't care.

If Triple H doesn't make money don't you think he would have been a 11-time World Champion? Not with Vince around. 3 reasons why Triple H is so successful:
1. He has star power.
2. He fucks the bosses daughter.
3. He makes money.

I agree that he works with people that make money, that just means he makes more money for the company. Bitch all you want, but you have to face the facts Triple H makes money for WWE.

Over to the whole Triple H burying all these young stars. I don't agree with it, but he worked his ass off in the ring (and in the bed) to have the power to do that. So the IWC will never be happy the will always find something for every person who becomes WWE Champion.
 
Like I've said earlier in this exact thread, Triple H puts guys over, but he does it in a way that makes himself look better. For example, the guy that beats him comes off looking as if he just won the damn Iraq war single-handedly. Hell, H even no sells Umagas offense to an extent, even getting the better of Umaga in a fist fight. It's bullshit. H loves to stroke that ego, I dont care how hard hes worked.
 
The only people to beat him since his return at Summerslam were Vince McMahon and Randy Orton. How is that putting anyone over really? In 1 night he single handedly destroyed the RAW tag division, how many handicap matches has he won over Orton and Umaga recently?
 
Too me I think at No Mercy HHH did stick his nose in the title situation but eventally Orton won it back, But the wwe is going on so we can just keep watching and see what happens....
 
As it is, the IWC is just like a critic; you can never please a critic. There is ALWAYS going to be some sort of situation where someone is going to whine about what Vince McMahon is doing. After RAW last night, with all the hype about Jericho returning, he DIDN'T show. RAW's ratings were higher this week than last week. Because of all the hype. And Vince is a genius by having all of us view every week by seeing if Jericho shows up.

But then the IWC will bitch about Jericho not showing up, and ban WWE and protest because one superstar didn't show when it was rumored. Rumored. That's what Jericho's arrival is. Just a rumor. Of course, when Triple H returned, the WWE let us know. Stone Cold Steve Austin is showing up next week. WWE let us know. When the ratings slide again, the rumors will start up once again. And the ratings will rise. Maybe Jericho isn't even going to appear until later on next year.

tl;dr -- The IWC will never be satisfied.
 
Instead of whining, just quit watching. If you are a wrestling fan watch ROH or CZW or IWA:MS. Support something you enjoy. If you don't enjoy the WWE then don't support it. They'll have to change if they notice ratings drop and buyrates plunder.
 
Instead of whining, just quit watching. If you are a wrestling fan watch ROH or CZW or IWA:MS. Support something you enjoy. If you don't enjoy the WWE then don't support it. They'll have to change if they notice ratings drop and buyrates plunder.

Ratings HAVE been dropping and Buyrates HAVE been plundering, and the WWE is changing. Unfortunatly, it's for the worst. I still love watching every week. I just hope they soon do somthing to add to the entertainment value more. Not just one superstar returning, but somthing big and fresh, unpredictable.
 
The IWC seems to hate everything going on in wrestling right now, they hate Cena, Orton, Kennedy, Hardy, Angle, Christian, AJ Styles, etc. so what I want to know is, who is the best wrestler today, WWE, TNA, ROH, Japan, Backyard, whatever, I just want to know who the IWC considers as the best wrestler today, I am going to have to go with Edge, and what is the criteria for them being so much better than Hardy or Cena or Orton or Whoever.
 
Dude, I posted this same thread months and months ago, prepared to be ridaculed. I saw things in your eyes for a while, and when you see what the others have to say, it may open your eyes as well. Everyone is different, and we all like different things. Simple fact, thats why no one here agrees on anything.
 
Hmmm.I think the IWC are like Democrats& Republicans.The just want to disagree.No matter what decision Vince will make,the IWC will always bitch about it.First we hate HHH,then we love him,just beacuse we hate Cena more,who we inturn want back because the show is beginning to suck.We then call RKO an asshole,and hate him,but still think he's a godetc and when its all said an done,we still cheer for them.....(just like Vince trained you to do)
 

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