Is there no pleasing the IWC?

[Derf]

Ok, this is my second threat ever, and it's a little out there compared to my first, so if I'm doing wrong, let me know...

Anyways, I'm here right now because somthings been bugging me lately. The Internet Wrestling Community. There is no pleasing us. We all love to watch the WWE, but no matter what they do, about 75% of us still complain. Of course, my main point is the WWE Title situation.

When John Cena was Champ, all most of you wanted was for him to lose it. Almost all of you complained at the end of every PPV that he won, yet if it's all that bad, why did you buy the PPV in the first place? Then, Cena gets hurt, and somthing amazing hapens. The Cena love hate train did a 180. Instead of it being 25%love/75%hate, it was the other way around. All cause Cena lost the belt.

Fats Forward a few days to No Mercy. Just about everyone of you bitched that Orton was handed the title, but even more complained that HHH won it afterwards, and then even MORE when Orton won it back!

You complain that the Tag Division is dead, yet both RAW and Smackdown have the Tag Champs on Every week in an exiting match, as well a semi story line. You complain that the crusierweight division is dead, when excluding the Hornswoggle McMahon angle, the disivion was actually getting revived by Jamie Noble. You complain about Santino Marella saying he sucks, when in fact he's doing his job right by annoying the fans, yet you go out of your way and diss the man instead of the charecter. Same for all those other often boo'ed heels.

Of course, i have to mention the Cena Hate Train. Cena was the best man to represent the WWE at this time, espesially with Congress on their backs, and yet all you wanted him to lose the title to who, Randy Orton? When Congress finally jumps on the WWE, who has a better chance of making them look good? Clean, never in trouble Cena, or "Mr Not suspended from the list" Orton?

In closing, this threat is a way to get my sudden anger at both all of you, as well as mself, of my chest. Also, I'm sure alot of you are thinking the same as I am, I've ben wanting to create tis thread for a long time, but last night, when I was doing the Live Discussion, it made me realize it had to be done. Post your replys, agrue with me, do whatever you feel. Keep in mind though, If your going to agrue me and say all the above sucks, your proving my point.

 

[RatedR_HBK11]

I think a lot of the whining stems from Y2J not making his return. People hyped themselves up for his return so badly, and once Cena was out of the picture, they thought it would open the doors for him to take the title upon his return.


I was personally pissed when HHH won the title last night, even though he had a match that had a decent buildup to it. Leave it up to him to stick his nose in the WWE title picture the moment Cena gets injured, but when I found out that Orton had a rematch, I was happy, because the right thing would be to have the LMS match as scheduled. Just a little bit of input from me.

 

[Derf]

I think a lot of the whining stems from Y2J not making his return. People hyped themselves up for his return so badly, and once Cena was out of the picture, they thought it would open the doors for him to take the title upon his return.

True, alot of whining did come from that. but thats just the past week. We've all been complaining for a LONG time now, at least since March when I joined the Forums. I asked someone last night during the live disucion "Who is 1 person that the whole IWC could love as Champ?" Not a single person answered. Either they didn't notice it, or there was none.

 

[Slyfox696]

This is one thing that no one can ever accuse me of. Unlike some people, my opinion is not fickle. I've said all along that Orton should not be champ due to his problems, and that HHH would be dumb to be champ. However, I also generally defend and support both the WWE and TNA, because, frankly, I see no reason to complain about something, if you continue watching it.

This has been a complaint of mine for a long time, and also why I take so-called "smarks" opinions to be so easily disregarded.

I think a lot of the whining stems from Y2J not making his return. People hyped themselves up for his return so badly, and once Cena was out of the picture, they thought it would open the doors for him to take the title upon his return.

So, how is that the WWE's fault?

Has the WWE ever advertised Jericho? Have they gave ANY hint that Jericho was coming? Or is it just that smarks spoil themselves, and then get pissed off because it doesn't happen like they wanted to?

It never fails to amaze me how some people complain about things they were never supposed to know.

 

[Meilichia]

About time this there was a thread like this.
I have already had my No Mercy rant, well my rant at those who are complaining, but I got to get it all of my chest!
I really don’t know why 75% of you watch Wrestling at all, all people do is complain about it, no one seems to enjoy it anymore, and yeah I know its been a bit down of late, but that’s mainly because I haven’t always enjoyed the storylines, mainly the Raw title picture, but that majorly improved for me, since erm well last Monday night Raw.

The WWE Championship:
Why is there so much complaining? I could understand the complaining when Cena held the title for like a year, a long, boring title run, but that changed at No Mercy, the title changed hands, not once but three times, and people are still complaining, from what I had read a lot of people where backing Orton to win and have been for a few months now, and he walks out with the belt, technically holding it twice in one night, and people are still complaining, I just don’t get it. Fair enough it was a bit of a weird way to get the title, but Orton has the belt so just be happy for now!

Triple H:
Everyone seems to love having a dig at him, fair enough, if you don’t like him as a wrestler that’s your choice, but I don’t see why everyone hates him so much, he works bloody hard, he in entertaining, and he has great charisma. I can’t be bothered to go into more detail, you all have different opinions on him, but give him a break, he worked hard last night just so Orton could walk out the champion, and to be honest he didn’t need to do it, there was many ways Orton could have got that title, but Triple H was used to help get the champion over in a certain way, it also made him that little bit for of a heel too. Come on it made perfect sense for Triple H to do it, who else is as big of a face on Raw? Maybe perhaps Jeff Hardy (only going by crowd reaction here) but could he have double triple duty and pulled it off like triple H.

Jericho:
Yeah I am just as excited about the return, or what could be the return of Jericho as pretty much everyone else. Jericho is and has always been one of my favourite wrestlers, but WWE didn’t say he was coming back, they technically haven’t even mentioned him, not once. Yeah there have been little Vids, but they could mean anything right now as they seem to be mentioning a few different wrestlers. Although I am pretty sure it will be Jericho, do you really think WWE would only give two weeks of promos before bringing him back? They gave Triple H a few good months of promos before bringing him back from an injury, and also gave Rey and Taker a good for weeks of promos, do you really think they would bring back Jericho that suddenly??

Mid Card Wrestlers:
I don’t know if many of you have watched wrestling before the era of Cena, Batista or even Orton, but does anyone else remember how long it takes to make a Champion level wrestlers like the means of the Rock, HHH, Stone Cold, Mankind, HBK? These people didn’t just walk in and get the title, like the champions of today, they worked for years and years in the WWE to get to the top, and these people are stars, people like Cena won’t ever be as big as Austin or the Rock. People should stop pushing for early pushes of mid card stars as they won’t be able to last or won’t be over enough to be as good or as big as the stars. It rarely works that a guy can just be put in the title picture from debut and he will last.

Women’s Wrestling:
I know a lot of people are completely indifferent to women’s wrestling, due to the fact it’s not often put in the spot light. But myself as a women wrestler, I have a big interest in it. I am glad Beth Phoenix won the title at No Mercy, because she is really talented, and perhaps they pushed Candice Michelle a little too early, but I also hate the fact people complain about her, she technically doesn’t have a wrestling background, she hasn’t been training very long, and she does make mistakes, but so do a lot of male wrestlers, I mean Jeff Hardy is one of the biggest faces on raw, and always gets huge pops, but he makes a lot of mistakes, going back to Jericho, he is an amazing wrestler, but sometimes can be sloppy, doesn’t make him rubbish. I just don’t like people getting at someone who is really trying to be good, with other wrestlers you don’t see them train on the go, so to speak, but I think Candice is making really good improvements, and could even be following in the footsteps of Trish Stratus, who in my opinion is one of the best all around female wrestlers of all time. She just needs more time, but she will get there.
There are a lot of talented female wrestlers, not DIVAS! (that really annoys me). I think it is better for the time being having the ‘Glamazon’ as the women’s champion, but I would like to see this belt change hands a lot more, there are a lot of talented wrestlers, such an Melina, Mickie James and Victoria (if she would come back from smackdown &#61516


Now basically I have had my rant. I am quite annoyed that most people just sit through wrestling programmes, just to complain afterwards. Everyone has a right to opinion, but if you dislike it so much, why bother watching in the first place?

 

[sirveaux]

Yeah, I don't understand a lot of the pissing and moaning about No Mercy. That was the first WWE PPV I've seen (or read about) in a LONG time that wasn't a huge disappointment. I actually bought it because it was the first WWE PPV since Jericho won the Undisputed Title that I couldn't predict from beginning to end (Although my girlfriend totally called HHH coming out and taking the strap from Randy). Plus, it was a Cena-Free zone (Yay!).

As for the multiple title changes, I loved it. Vince and HHH gave Orton a fantastic heel rub. Other than the facts that both tag and mid-card titles went undefended (Boo!), and the Bedazzler Disaster WWE title belt seems to be here to stay (Double Boo!), I thought it was a damn decent PPV.

Regarding Jericho, he'll be back when he's back. I do hope it's soon, but with Cena on the shelf, the need to "save" the WWE diminishes (from my perspective, at least). Anyway, Y2J needs to work off a little ring rust before being injected into the title picture. 1-2 months, probably.

 

[gitarguyhhh]

No The IWC is never satisfied with anything.

First all I heard was how everyone wants HHH back and thn you get him back last night he wins the title and you all turn on him. I'll admit he won the title back a little prematurely but you all see it was just to give Randy a little more heat as a heel.

That brings me to Randy Orton you all wanted to jmp on hids bandwagon and wanted him to become champ. Well you got your wish and now your pissed because he is champ.

Back to HHH he does not bury careers. He let Shelton beat him cleanly same with cena and a bunch of others. Hell he even let Maven beat him cleanly. He does not bury careers the other superstars bury their own careers by doing something stupid behind the scenes.

I am also looking forward to Jericho returning but he will return when the time is right which will be very soon. Stop trying to figure it out and just let it happen.

All of the IWC needs to get off their high horse and return to being a fan of the business instead o trying to run it. I remember as a kid just being amazed that these wrestlers would put their body on the line just to entertain me.

Maybe the IWC needs to sit back watch the shows and STOP THEIR BITCHING.

 

[RatedR_HBK11]

This is one thing that no one can ever accuse me of. Unlike some people, my opinion is not fickle. I've said all along that Orton should not be champ due to his problems, and that HHH would be dumb to be champ. However, I also generally defend and support both the WWE and TNA, because, frankly, I see no reason to complain about something, if you continue watching it.

This has been a complaint of mine for a long time, and also why I take so-called "smarks" opinions to be so easily disregarded.

So, how is that the WWE's fault?

Has the WWE ever advertised Jericho? Have they gave ANY hint that Jericho was coming? Or is it just that smarks spoil themselves, and then get pissed off because it doesn't happen like they wanted to?

It never fails to amaze me how some people complain about things they were never supposed to know.

Where did I ever mention that it was the WWE's fault? We're talking about the IWC here, they're the ones that hyped Jericho's return at No Mercy, and that hype just grew when Cena relinquished the title, people then thinking one of the major stars from the past (Jericho/HBK) may rush a return to compete for the title. I applaud the WWE if anything for not bringing Y2J this Sunday. If he was really returning, at least make people wait longer. There were Jericho signs that were pulled from the shows as well, so that's the WWE kinda saying, "Ya know, you guys should be a little more patient..."

Funny that you always seem to come at me for little/no reason. Shoulda read that paragraph better.

 

[Shocky]

This thread makes me laugh.

First and foremost. Anyone that thinks that Y2J was going to be back last night, based upon a ten second promo which may or may not be about him is stupid. To get yourselves hyped up for a return, which no one has even confirmed that Jericho has even resigned, is ignorance and stupidity on your own fault.

Now to the bigger issue at hand, the IWC, particularly relating to the WWE Title, Triple H, and Randy Orton.


Seriously, 3 title changes in one night. You realize I just sat through 13 months of John Cena as champion. I watched 13 months of the WWE title being built up as a huge accomplishment, and that being champion actually meant something? and for what. A title to get handed to a guy, losing it 10 minutes later, and then winning it back again after the middle man had wrestled a total of 3 matches.

This is stupidity. You have basically taken John Cena's title reign, shit on it, then threw it in the fans faces. It took, what, 17 months to have three title switches, and that was now done in 3 hours.

There was no point to hand Orton the title, for him to lose it. Why not have Triple H vs. Umaga and the winner faces Orton for the title? No, that would make too much sense. Instead, the value of the title depreciates to a level of the Hardcore title, and the title reigns are meaningless. This is why people are pissed.

Why not have a tournament for the title? Why does there have to be a champion at this moment? Remember Deadly Game, or Wrestlemania 4, they seemed to do fine with a tournament for the title. I don't recall the WWE going into a tailspin because the WWE Title was vacant.

Randy Orton is undeserving, but more deserving the Triple H.

Let's get started on Triple H shall we. Can this guy stroke his own ego more then anything. He comes out, demands a title shot which he hasn't earned in a storyline, effectively demolishes Orton, thus destroying 6 months of build up as the top heel of the company.

Triple H later goes onto destroy Umaga in a second match, thus hurting the credibility of the monster gimmick. Then Triple H, heroically defends the title in a third match, and loses in a last man standing match. Are you kidding me.

This makes Orton and Umaga look incredibly weak. Oh, poor Triple H, he had to wrestle three matches. Ortons title win is now skewed because Triple H had wrestled three matches that night, and it makes Triple H look good in the process.

It's garbage, and fans are pissed because they see through the bullshit. It's the blind Triple H marks that think he is so great because he used to be good five years ago that have a problem with fans speaking out against the "king of Kings."

Make no mistake about this either, this was a shot at Ric Flair as well. Flair is playing hardball with the WWE right now, and Vince sent a very clear message. Triple H will get that record if you don't straighten up. It's a shame that we are stuck in the monopoly of the WWE right now, because something tells me Flairs not coming back, and the WWE will pretend he never existed.

 

[kurtisraw07]

I agree with Shockmaster 100%. H stroked his ego big time at No Mercy. I know alot of you will say " It isn't H's fault, the WWE writers planned it that way." That's bullshit and you know it. Both H and Vince have complete say in what happens on the show and what doesn't. H does put guys over, but in a way that actually makes himself look better than the guy he puts over. There is no way in hell H could have realistically beaten the monster Umaga as quick as he did, especially with that weak ass Pedigree he nailed Umaga with.

 

[Alucard]

This is funny, because you all can't agree on even that. I just don't understand how people can say that Orton was screwed. You wanted him to walk out as champion and he did. Then you talk about him getting buried is just stupid. He is not supposed to look better because he is the heel. To say that the title is shit on is also stupid. You all complain because the title stayed on one guy for over a year. Then you complain when it moves around too much. Did anyone think less of Bret Hart when he had the title for one day? What about Sting? He won it and lost it on Nitro. Did that change your opinion on him? Never satisfied.

 

[kurtisraw07]

As for the bitching about who's WWE Champion. I'm not bitching what so ever. I'm glad Randy walked out of No Mercy WWE Champion. I will admit I was pissed off when H won the WWE Championship from Randy Orton just 20 minutes after Randy was named Champion. It reminded me of the fiasco that happened back in 2004 with H burying Orton for the World Heavyweight Championship in less than a month. H just needs to realize that the WWE would do better if he would start focusing less on making himself look good and start helping behind the scenes more and helping guys become better workers. One thing that does bug me the most is that the whole "Bastard Son" storyline was just thrown away and that Mr. Kennedy didn't get revealed as Vince's son. This could have led to a great Mr. Kennedy vs H feud that could have culminated at Wrestlemania with the WWE Title on the line along with the McMahon family situation being the focus of the match. I know Kennedy lied about steroids, but honestly, he only did so to protect the WWE's name and in all honesty, Kennedy took steroids because he chose to, not because WWE made him. And besides that, hes WWE's next huge star, and they are dropping the ball.

 

[Shocky]

This is funny, because you all can't agree on even that. I just don't understand how people can say that Orton was screwed. You wanted him to walk out as champion and he did. Then you talk about him getting buried is just stupid. He is not supposed to look better because he is the heel. To say that the title is shit on is also stupid. You all complain because the title stayed on one guy for over a year. Then you complain when it moves around too much. Did anyone think less of Bret Hart when he had the title for one day? What about Sting? He won it and lost it on Nitro. Did that change your opinion on him? Never satisfied.

Orton won the title and was buried at the same time, quite simple actually. He couldn't beat Triple H in a regular match, he waits until Triple H wrestles, then invokes the Last Man Standing rematch. Triple H is already tired, and Orton is relatively fresh. It makes Triple H look like an Iron Man, and Orton an opportunist. Orton looks bad, adn Triple H looks good, it's pretty simple really.

Yes, moving the title around 3 times in one night does nothing but diminish the value of the belt, especially when there was no reason for it. Would it have hurt to keep the title vacated until the end of the night and have Trips vs. Umaga, with the winner facing Orton for the championship, no, that would make too much sense. Instead we are stuck with Trips stroking his ego and giving himself reign 11.

And yes, people do complain about Sting and Bret Hart, because the bouncing around of the title on all of those nitros, especially in 2000, was what led to that title being worth shit, and to WCW going out of business. Hotshotting and Hot Potatoing a belt does not add value and prestige, it diminishes it and makes it look worthless.

 

[Derf]

I see alot of you are upset about last night, but theres alot more than just that. You've all been complaining about just about everything that the WWE has done in the past few years. Last night was one upseting night. You rag on the Tag Team divison, the crusierweight division, the diva search, half the roster, everything. I want people to start saying some nice stuff. Actually, I have a challenge. Anyone thats doing the Live RAW Discussion tonight, try not to rag about everything. Don't sarcastically say "Oh Boy, here comes the champ", or "Someone Sucks", shit like that. Because every single person in the WWE, wether it's a wrestler or a backstage staff, they're doing their jobs. If you can do better, apply for the job. If you don't get it, your not as good as you think., and probably not better than them.

 

[I Suckle Off My Mother]

This is funny, because you all can't agree on even that. I just don't understand how people can say that Orton was screwed. You wanted him to walk out as champion and he did. Then you talk about him getting buried is just stupid. He is not supposed to look better because he is the heel. To say that the title is shit on is also stupid. You all complain because the title stayed on one guy for over a year. Then you complain when it moves around too much. Did anyone think less of Bret Hart when he had the title for one day? What about Sting? He won it and lost it on Nitro. Did that change your opinion on him? Never satisfied.

This is the smartest post yet on this thread. this IWC is never satisfied. but yet they keep on watching and after they watched it crap on everything they just saw. to me thats just typical IWC. what a bunch of cry babies. and they also cry that Jericho didn't show up at No Mercy when it wasn't even confirmed that he will be there. Jericho has signed another deal with wwe and i think that he will return @ cyber sunday. it's been a long time coming but Jericho FINALLY will come back to wwe. i see Jericho returning as a face and going to Raw.

Edit: Oh and another thing ppl were mad that the title changed hands a lot last night. well it's not like that will happen all the time now. it was just for one night so get over it you cry babies!

 

[Big Ace]

Let's get started on Triple H shall we. Can this guy stroke his own ego more then anything. He comes out, demands a title shot which he hasn't earned in a storyline, effectively demolishes Orton, thus destroying 6 months of build up as the top heel of the company.

How does he destroy that? When John Cena left, Triple H became the top face. Burying Orton would mean letting someone in the mid-card beat him. As you can remember, Cena beat Orton about 4 times in the past 3 years. He hasn't really gotten as much build as you claim. But when Triple H beats him, of course, you say he does it to stroke his ego, when in fact he did job it CLEANLY to him.

Triple H later goes onto destroy Umaga in a second match, thus hurting the credibility of the monster gimmick. Then Triple H, heroically defends the title in a third match, and loses in a last man standing match. Are you kidding me.

No. John Cena beat him too. Jeff Hardy beat him too. I didn't see anyone complaining when those two beat him. The credibility of the monster gimmick? Fuck, Umaga's barely been on RAW ONCE in the past month! And you're going to let him go over the now top face? No fuckin' way.

This makes Orton and Umaga look incredibly weak. Oh, poor Triple H, he had to wrestle three matches. Ortons title win is now skewed because Triple H had wrestled three matches that night, and it makes Triple H look good in the process.

I fail to see your point here. Isn't the whole point to begin a feud? This serves as the entire basis for an Orton-Triple H feud. John Cena was ALWAYS made to look good. You guys shit on him too. Now he's gone, and you all love him.

[qupte]It's garbage, and fans are pissed because they see through the bullshit. It's the blind Triple H marks that think he is so great because he used to be good five years ago that have a problem with fans speaking out against the "king of Kings."

I never said I had a problem with fans speaking out. I'm just giving you my flat-out opinion on the matter. Triple H has proven that he can lead the compnay, and Orton hasn't. He got his shot in 2004, and fucked up. Not Triple H's fault. The whole Evolution thing was MADE to make Orton look good. By the way, wasn't it all you smarks talking about how Trips was pushing for Orton to win the Title anyway? So then when Trips beats him, you change your minds?

Make no mistake about this either, this was a shot at Ric Flair as well. Flair is playing hardball with the WWE right now, and Vince sent a very clear message. Triple H will get that record if you don't straighten up. It's a shame that we are stuck in the monopoly of the WWE right now, because something tells me Flairs not coming back, and the WWE will pretend he never existed.

Roflcakes. HHH has stated several times that he doesn't want to break Flair's record. I don't see why WWE would try to take a shot at Flair when Flair in reality has 20 World Titles. Unless they're planning on giving Trips 11 MORE Titles, which I doubt will ever happen.

/me waits for the cheap joke on how HHH will main-event every WrestleMania until he retires.

In conclusion, go to wrestlezone.com. Check out the vote for 'Who would you've perferred to walk out with the WWE Title?' and Triple H is in the lead. And he's not the top guy in the WWE?

 

[Lil Wes]

Triple H has proven that he can lead the compnay, and Orton hasn't. He got his shot in 2004, and fucked up.

If I'm not mistaken ratings were shit in 2004 as well, When Cena came to RAW is when they went up for some reason....

Orton fucked up? What did he do? Fuck his dog this time? Triple H wanted the gold, so he got it I'm assuming, I wasn't around in the "IWC" then.

Orton is getting his shot to lead the company for a bit now, Triple H will soon fuck it up at Survivor Series.

Not Triple H's fault.

Yeah, It's Steph's and Vince letting him politic around everywhere.

The whole Evolution thing was MADE to make Orton look good.

And Batista...

By the way, wasn't it all you smarks talking about how Trips was pushing for Orton to win the Title anyway?

"All you smarks"...


Yes, Trips wanted RKO to get the title..Why??...Because he wanted to take down the top heel and be back on top of the company again. Which is exactly what happened last night, Also it made Trips look even more like a big shot, getting 3 matches and holding the belt for a short time.

Power hungry peice of shit.

So then when Trips beats him, you change your minds?

Um, No.

Roflcakes.

Cupcakes.

HHH has stated several times that he doesn't want to break Flair's record.

Could I please see this? If you wouldnt mind..

I don't see why WWE would try to take a shot at Flair when Flair in reality has 20 World Titles.

Prolly, but they go by his "16 time" World Champion name, Trips is on his 11th and has a few more yeats in him, So hopefully that means these reigns will be short.

Unless they're planning on giving Trips 11 MORE Titles, which I doubt will ever happen.

He earned a cheap one last night....

/me waits for the cheap joke on how HHH will main-event every WrestleMania until he retires.

Possibly, He will definitely be in it this year, No way big bad Hunter will sit out 2 straight Manias in the main event.

In conclusion, go to wrestlezone.com. Check out the vote for 'Who would you've perferred to walk out with the WWE Title?' and Triple H is in the lead.

So? He just returned, He's like, Hell I like him as a wrestler to a certain point, The guy is a microphone god as well, just to much politicking from a guy who has already had his time.

And he's not the top guy in the WWE?

No, That would be Randy Orton at the moment, John Cena(When returns) and Edge(See above)

 

[No Count Pup]

I am glad Vince McMahon doesn't cater to the IWC. If he did, WWE would be a boring product. The IWC is very short-sided. All they care about is pushing their select few to rule the wrestling industry. But I've got news for the IWC smarks. WWE is a business. They exist to get to make money. They don't live out their calling to satisfy the sarcastic wrestling nerds.

What IWC fans don't seem to understand is that guys like Shelton Benjamin, CM Punk, Jeff Hardy, and even Chris Benoit can't carry a company. You have to be a brand to be at the top. WWE Superstars aren't wrestlers, they're entities. John Cena, Batista, Triple H, The Undertaker, and Shawn Michaels are examples of big brand stars. They are the most marketable and biggest money making grapplers the WWE has to offer. They are household names. I hate to break it to a large segment of the IWC, but the Punks, Hardys, and Benjamins of WWE simply are not.

Wrestling is not all about athletics and "5-star classics." It's about entertainment. If you want to see competitive sports, watch the NFL. If you want to watch a fun show with amazing production, put on WWE.

To those who always complain all I can say is: don't watch. We won't miss you.

 

[Big Ace]

If I'm not mistaken ratings were shit in 2004 as well, When Cena came to RAW is when they went up for some reason....

Orton fucked up? What did he do? Fuck his dog this time? Triple H wanted the gold, so he got it I'm assuming, I wasn't around in the "IWC" then.

See steriod report please. I didn't say Cena couldn't draw. I said Orton couldn't draw. Isn't it funny that they promise a Cena interview on the day Orton wins the Title? Hmmm.

Orton is getting his shot to lead the company for a bit now, Triple H will soon fuck it up at Survivor Series.

Maybe you forgot the summer of 2004. I did. Orton had it for 28 days, and the ratings went way down.

Yeah, It's Steph's and Vince letting him politic around everywhere.

Way to dissect my post and turn it around on me. You'd do the same thing in his position. Don't even try to bullshit and say you wouldn't. Anybody in a positition of power will be greedy. See Vince McMahon appearing on RAW for at least 30 minutes worth of segments please.

And Batista...

Not really. They planned on giving Orton the push. He got it, but fucked up, so they switched it to Batista.

Yes, Trips wanted RKO to get the title..Why??...Because he wanted to take down the top heel and be back on top of the company again. Which is exactly what happened last night, Also it made Trips look even more like a big shot, getting 3 matches and holding the belt for a short time.

Power hungry peice of shit.

Exactly. Why shouldn't Triple H beat him? He's the top babyface. You forgot the part where Trips only held it for like 2 hours =/.

Um, No.

Um, Yes. Hence the HHH bashing?

Could I please see this? If you wouldnt mind..

Don't have it now, but Triple H wrote the fucking foreward for Flair's book. Why would he turn on his best friend (as they call each other) because he's not in good relations with Vince?

Prolly, but they go by his "16 time" World Champion name, Trips is on his 11th and has a few more yeats in him, So hopefully that means these reigns will be short.

Yeah, but remember it's all Vince. Nothing happens unless Vince approves it .

He earned a cheap one last night....

Yeah, he shoulda held it longer right?

Possibly, He will definitely be in it this year, No way big bad Hunter will sit out 2 straight Manias in the main event.

Looks like it as of now. Funny how he's spent the past 3 'Manias putting people over, yet people say he just wants the spotlight. Maybe he wants it because he's the top guy?

So? He just returned, He's like, Hell I like him as a wrestler to a certain point, The guy is a microphone god as well, just to much politicking from a guy who has already had his time.

No, That would be Randy Orton at the moment, John Cena(When returns) and Edge(See above)

Again, I've yet to see any dollar signs on Randy Orton. Triple H's is the top seller on wweshop and as I recall, selling the most t-shirts in WWE makes you the top guy (see DX and John Cena).

Edge isn't the top guy. He's on Smackdown. Which is the B-Show. He had it for what? 2 months? =/. I personally think Edge is overrated and injury-prone. However, Triple H is injury-prone I guess you could say. Because two quad injuries in 15 years sure is a lot right? John Cena isn't there for awhile, so might as well get used to getting a new top dog for now. You're gonna need a top face, and unless Vince gets some magical idea to push Jeff Hardy all of a sudden, or if Jericho comes back as a babyface and is good as he used to be, better get used to Triple H being the top face for a long time to come.

 

[ShowTyme]

I for one am an original Cena Hater. When he started the rap gimmick as a heel I sat there and said, this is cool but if he goes face hes doomed.... and BAM! I was right.

Now about No Mercy. I have been a uber orton fan from day one and even I didnt like the 'handing title' to him (gave me flashbacks of HHH few years back). But then I also thought this was the chance for them to bring in Y2J, but when HHH came out I got sick to my stomach. Now im a HHH fan but even I knew that this was going to be bad. So Orton loses, Im pissed cause I just wasted 40 bucks, then HHH buries Umaga.... again, but suddenly, Last man Standing is announced and Im jumpin up and down, then Orton wins. It was beautiful. I honestly dont know why other Orton fans are complaining.

And I know Im gonna sound sick, but Cenas injury could be a good thing for RAW. I mean I hope the guy can return to his job that he loves (even if I dont like him)but we are used to seeing Cena every Monday night with the title for a year. Before the injury, the other two most recent WWE champs were Edge and RVD. Now Cenas gone til atleast Mania. We have a new champ, new contenders, new storylines. So sit back and enjoy the show....

And complain about something else... like the fact that Umaga still has a grill. still cracks me up every time i see it.

 

[zack25mac]

I would have to say Orton is the biggest star they have right now. He is the top heel and people still love him and cheer for him. He is nothing like he was in 2004. I think Orton is awesome, hes one of my favorites and i do think he will make a great champion.

I think the reason everyone is bitching is because its nothing like the attitude era. Honestly, I dont think WWE will ever have ratings like that again. They had everything they needed and they were being pushed by wcw which made them work harder. They dont have stars like they did in the late 90's. HHH isnt what he used to be hate to say. The Rock is gone and Stone cold makes his annual appearance usually but just like hhh, he isnt what he used to be. Bringing jericho back probably will jet up the ratings but not by much. Undertaker, i like him but once again, i dont feel he is as good as he was 10 years ago. Mankind, obviously not wrestling anymore and when he does its kind of embarrassing. Kurt angle was one of the most talented stars they had in the wwe and i think he would be a major asset to the wwe but hes obv in tna.

The tag division is lacking talent and storylines i wont agrue that fact. the days of edge and christian, dudley boys, hardy boys, outlaws, acolytes, corporate ministry, OLD DX. In that period of time. WWE was at their peak and i honestly dont think they will ever reach that point again.

 

[Derf]

I'd like to say somthing. I was gonna make another threat a while ago witrh a simaler topic to what I'm about to rant, but it slipped my mind. I do believe one of the reasons that the IWC is hating so much is because it's all predictable, we know what's gonna happen before it airs. We know whos suspended and not gonna be around, we know all of this. And how? The Internet. What I'm saying is, although the WWE is changing right now, it was changing back in the attitude days as well. Whats ruining wrestling isn't the WWE Writers, It's the IWC.

Hear me out. My best friend don't own a computer. He's never even heard of wrestlezone. I occasionally tell him a few spoilers and whos on the suspended lists. And you know what? He's the biggest smark I've ever seen. He LOVES John Cena, the NEW DX, Rey Mysterio, Batista, all the faces. He HATES Randy Orton, Kahli, even Edge. He's a true smark whos been watching wrestling since WM 10. And he's loves every moment of it all. He don't complain about anything. He loves wrestling. The good, the Bad, John Cena. All of it.

Before I joined the IWC, I was in most ways the same as my friend. What am I saying? We're whats ruining wrestling today. We log onto the internet and see what others have to say. Some of us only agree with others to look good. Thats what i did with dissing Cena. I've always liked the guy, but when I found out he was uncool, I dissed him to make others start to think I was cool. But once I found out that people are starting to defend him, I was able to join the Cena Wagon again, which i am proud to admit.

Now, alot of you will say "If you think the internet is stupid, leave." Although i agree 100% to this statement, how many of you have actually gone a week with the internet, but NOT looked at anything WWE related? It's hard, it's an addiction. it's a second lifestyle. it's not easily dumped. So what I'm saying is that we are todays problems. Ask any NON IWC fan what they think about the WWE, most will say they're Cena fans and Orton haters. Trust me, it'll happen.

 

[Slyfox696]

Where did I ever mention that it was the WWE's fault?

Who said you did?

We're talking about the IWC here, they're the ones that hyped Jericho's return at No Mercy, and that hype just grew when Cena relinquished the title, people then thinking one of the major stars from the past (Jericho/HBK) may rush a return to compete for the title.

That's what I was talking about. And, they were mad that the WWE didn't produce Jericho.

So, again, how is that the WWE's fault?

Funny that you always seem to come at me for little/no reason. Shoulda read that paragraph better.

1) I don't even know who the hell you are
2) Take it as a compliment, as I generally don't bother to read/reply moronic posts.
3) It's a message forum. Get used to people challenging your opinion.

 

[Derf]

I am in shock. I just finished reading the LIVE RAW DISCUSSION, and HBK returned. I believe I saw ONE person complaining about it. Bravo move by the WWE, first big surprise in a long time. Lets just hope the feeling of wanting him stays. He wanted more time off. He's giving up healing time for what is in the long run, us fans. So for the love of God, don't rip on him.

 

[krzkid]

I'm going to either be completely ignored for this or chewed on like a rubber toy... but seriously, there is no pleasing the IWC. There is no pleasing fans, whether they "know" things they "aren't supposed to" or don't, simply becuase we're each different.

One group wants one thing, another something else, and heck I've made it no secret I wanted and still want Val Venis to get SOMETHING out of the poll that was on WWE... and I've been shitted on for that and there have been too many jokes about Val for me to count.

Point is, as much as anyone may look down on or critize someone for wanting things to happen a certain way, that's part of being a fan. A true fanatic is much like someone who suffers from a mental disease causing them to break from reality and forsee the future and present as would best suit them. Heck I was in chaos when my Ravens and 49ers went against each other this week, becuase no matter how I drew it out... someone had to take a negative.

We each have thoughts, dreams sometimes and ideas for sure of how we'd like to see things play out. In wrestling, other sports or in life. Each person is going to have a different storyline and there will never be 100% that agree simply becuase that's the nature of humans. We're different. We need to accept that.

And I've got some issues with how things are right now in WWE, about the PPV, the titles, divisions and uses (or non-use) of wrestlers and things I disagree with elsewhere too. I don't think it's right to go off on someone becuase you disagree with how they think something should be or that they complain becuase it isn't. Not all react to disappointment the same.

Life goes on, and so does this thread sadly.