I had the same thing in mind what MouthforCombat said: Have Ron Simmons be fed up with this "stereo-typing" he deals with, each week he has to come out there and say "damn" to please the MAN. But I feel the New Nation should be made up of Cryme Tyme dropping their "stereo-typed" image given them, have MVP drafted to RAW and be the superstar of the group, Elijah Burke being 2nd man.
Is it the right time to bring a new stable together and what would the name be?
- Thread starter slimmshady
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I like the idea that has been thrown around and considered by the creative (as i hear) which is this:
Orton or Carlito as the leader/mouthpiece
Dh smith
Cody Rhodes
Ted Dibiase Jr.
Afa Jr
and possibly Nattie but I think that would be too many people. I think Cody Rhodes and Ted Jr would be tag champs and maybe Dh or Afa could eventually get the IC title as the leader shoots for the Wwe title. Ted Jr. would eventually want the title and would turn on the leader and we would eventually have he and the leader in a match at a big ppv. Now that I think about it, I think Nattie should be in there as well. That's six youg superstars that could eventually have a career like there relatives.
Orton or Carlito as the leader/mouthpiece
Dh smith
Cody Rhodes
Ted Dibiase Jr.
Afa Jr
and possibly Nattie but I think that would be too many people. I think Cody Rhodes and Ted Jr would be tag champs and maybe Dh or Afa could eventually get the IC title as the leader shoots for the Wwe title. Ted Jr. would eventually want the title and would turn on the leader and we would eventually have he and the leader in a match at a big ppv. Now that I think about it, I think Nattie should be in there as well. That's six youg superstars that could eventually have a career like there relatives.
Here's what I think could happen.Since these guys are real life friends,the could put both the Hardyz,Shannon Morre,and Gregory Helms together.They could call it High Voltage after Matt's former ring name.Gregory Helms could be the mouthpiece and go for the Tag Titles with Morre,Jeff and Matt could go for the World title and IC or U.S. Title.I think that would work since they are real-life friends.
First, I'm glad someone decided to bring up this subject, and second, there are negatives to this. First of all, the leader of this heel stable has to be a main eventer. The only problem with that is that as the leader of the heel stable he suddenly can't beat other main eventers and has to rely on his minions to win. At the same time though, the minions of the stable also get heat and pushed for the IC, US, or Tag Team titles. Also, with matches involving stable leaders, you can predict what the result is, which doesn't add to the drama of the match. While the leader becomes hated and wins the world title, the minions actually get more out of it. Minions will find themselves in matches against enemies of their main event leader. This helps to put the minions over, and also make the stable dominant. And of course, we all watch with baited breath as we watch the eventual destruction of the stable, which can lead to even greater fueds.
So as for the stable itself, it should be a heel one.
Name: Golden Future.
Leader: Mr. Kennedy
Guy just under the leader: Lance Cade
Minions: The Miz and Morrison.
So as for the stable itself, it should be a heel one.
Name: Golden Future.
Leader: Mr. Kennedy
Guy just under the leader: Lance Cade
Minions: The Miz and Morrison.
After Lance Cade's recent push and reasoning behind his alliance with Jericho I could see a stable being created to take out HBK using Jericho who looked up to him as the leader with HBK's former students in the alliance. Bryan Danielson recently had a dark match which is a sign that they have an eye on him and if they get him away from ROH this would be a good way to debut him. Other possible members (but doubtful) include Matt Bentley (Formerly Martyr from TNA) and Veronica Stevens (Formerly Simply Luscious from TNA) However Matt is currently focusing on his band and Veronica is in WEW
This could put Jericho back in the ME as the top heel on Raw stealing victories with the help of his stable but push them as dominant where they don't always need each other. Don't have them turn out to be Raw's version of La Familia
Leader: Chris Jericho
Mid Card/Muscle: Lance Cade
Tag-Team: Paul London & Bryan Danielson
This could put Jericho back in the ME as the top heel on Raw stealing victories with the help of his stable but push them as dominant where they don't always need each other. Don't have them turn out to be Raw's version of La Familia
Leader: Chris Jericho
Mid Card/Muscle: Lance Cade
Tag-Team: Paul London & Bryan Danielson
MasterDebator
Pre-Show Stalwart
I mentioned this in the CM Punk - Heel or Face thread that was just started. A heel stable made up of Chris Jericho, Lance Cade, CM Punk, and possible the team of Rhodes and Dibiase or even Matt Striker. Jericho and Cade are already teamed up by sharing the "honest man" philosophy. I feel that Punk's straight-edge lifestyle gimmick fits in perfectly with those two. Striker, Rhodes, and Dibiase are just suggestions since I don't think the team of Y2J, Punk, and Cade is strong enough on it's own. They'd need atleast one or two more wrestlers -- a tag team or a singles guy.
I'm also not clever enough to think of a name.
I'm also not clever enough to think of a name.
I don't understand why wwe is so down on the "cool heel" angle. Thats what has worked the best in the past, and I think it would work good right now with Edge being the main guy. La familia just isn't working for me. I seen someone mention that it should cover all three brands and I like that idea. Good canidates would be Miz/morison, Jericho, Lance Cade, MVP, Elijah Burke, Kennedy, maybe even have Randy Orton Leading on the Raw side.
canning027
Dark Match Jobber
After watching the end of Raw last night this stable came in mind: John Cena as the main event wrestler, Cryme Tyme as the tag team, and then possibly Kofi Kingston as the mid-card wrestler. I really enjoyed seeing Cena and Cryme Tyme together since a Cena-lead stable could help elevate Cryme Tyme into the tag title picture instead of just having them in joke skits. I just hope this wasn't a one time thing.
I would love to see Y2J get one, Y2J has the charisma to lead a Heel Stable, they already have Cade with him, now maybe put Dibiase & Rhodes with him and another young guy like Kenny Dykstra or something, but Dibiase and Rhodes both seems to already be pretty good on the mic so I don't think they need to be in a stable
CM Punk has a ton of charisma as a heel if anyone seen his ROH stuff, I think he is too big of a star now to put him in a stable with Y2J, maybe they could give him his own and put Dibiase and Rhodes with him I don't know
CM Punk has a ton of charisma as a heel if anyone seen his ROH stuff, I think he is too big of a star now to put him in a stable with Y2J, maybe they could give him his own and put Dibiase and Rhodes with him I don't know
MasterDebator
Pre-Show Stalwart
I agree Sicko. After seeing Punk win the belt on Raw, it's obvious that Punk is higher on the totem pole of priorities right now in the WWE's eyes than Jericho. Placing him in a heel stable at this point would be useless since he's over as a face (apparently) and he would take a backseat to Y2J if the stable were to be formed. I really liked my idea of the straight edge Punk joining Y2J and Cade but alas it seems not to be. It is possible that he maybe forms a stable of his own but I don't think it's necessary. I never enjoyed face stables and if he were to form one now it would most certainly be one.
WrestlingDude
Occasional Pre-Show
well if this stable is a New Generation, how bout use the children from former wrestlers, the tag team champs, ted dibiase jr. and cody rhodes, if so then send dh smith back to raw and natalya neidhart as a manager. randy orton can be the leader of this heel stable as wwe champion
MasterDebator
Pre-Show Stalwart
I love the idea of a new generation stable but I thought DH Smith and Carlito moving to SD sort of put the kaibosh on that one. There is still the possibility of Orton coming back and leading this sort of stable, which would RULE -- but it seems unlikely. Maybe WWE is satisfied by having one heel stable in La Familia (a lackluster one at that).
This stable could be either face or heel, but should be together for a long time to gain familiarity with the audience etc
John Morrison - The main guy/leader, I don't think you shoudl waste a real ME guy on a stable all the time the stabel could rise as John Morrison does through the ranks, then maybe self destruct when he finally reaches the WWE/WHC...
The Miz - Obviously taggign with John Morrison atm, but could be phased into a peripharal role, being the ''little bitch'' of the group
London and Kendrick - Exciting tag team, look fits well with Morrison and their involvement in the group should give them a push
Charlie Haas - Could start out in the stable due to the other guys saving him from ''career ending doom'' or something *eg. Kane abotu to set him on fire), and sticks around so that when Morrison goes to ME, he can claim the IC/US title and, if his mic skills improve, take over the group
Maria - She's hot, eye candy of the group, strong woman, attached to John Morrisson
Maryse - Valet for London and Kendrick
The overall gimmick could be of like party dudes / free love / 60's kinda thing, that way they coudl go voer the top with it and be hee or be really positive faces
John Morrison - The main guy/leader, I don't think you shoudl waste a real ME guy on a stable all the time the stabel could rise as John Morrison does through the ranks, then maybe self destruct when he finally reaches the WWE/WHC...
The Miz - Obviously taggign with John Morrison atm, but could be phased into a peripharal role, being the ''little bitch'' of the group
London and Kendrick - Exciting tag team, look fits well with Morrison and their involvement in the group should give them a push
Charlie Haas - Could start out in the stable due to the other guys saving him from ''career ending doom'' or something *eg. Kane abotu to set him on fire), and sticks around so that when Morrison goes to ME, he can claim the IC/US title and, if his mic skills improve, take over the group
Maria - She's hot, eye candy of the group, strong woman, attached to John Morrisson
Maryse - Valet for London and Kendrick
The overall gimmick could be of like party dudes / free love / 60's kinda thing, that way they coudl go voer the top with it and be hee or be really positive faces
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Ben_the_man
Guest
Watching the main event of Raw when John Cena and Cryme Tyme came to beat up JBLs private security force, I had a thought.
There seems to be a number of potential stables at the moment on Raw, youve got:
John Cena and Cryme Tyme,
Chris Jericho and Lance Cade,
JBL and personally, I think DiBiase and Rhodes will form a stable with him. Their gimmicks just seem to fit each other, the whole money thing.
And there are rumours of a heel Evolution with Batista and Randy Orton, when he gets back from injury.
So what I was thinking was to have CM Punk being the man that everybody wants, as he has the title, caught in the middle of all these factions.
It starts at Summerslam, with Punk vs. Cena, then at Unforgiven Punk vs. Jericho, at No Mercy, Punk vs. JBL, then at Cyber Sunday, Punk vs. Randy Orton, as Batista has a match at GAB. Punk wins every match. Then at Survivor Series, have Fatal-Four Way match, with every member of each stable at ringside, maybe a Lumberjack Match. Make it an elimination match. Then the GM at this point, maybe Regal, comes out and announces that this is a five-way match, and the surprise participant is...The Undertaker!
Order Of Elimination:
1. JBL
2. Cena by Jericho, setting up a fued for later on, maybe at the Rumble.
3. Cena causes Jericho to get eliminated.
4. Punk, so Taker gets another WHC reign!
There you go, a 4-5 monh storyline, and, if done right, could make Punk the next big star, which is obviously what WWE want im to be.
Thoughts?
There seems to be a number of potential stables at the moment on Raw, youve got:
John Cena and Cryme Tyme,
Chris Jericho and Lance Cade,
JBL and personally, I think DiBiase and Rhodes will form a stable with him. Their gimmicks just seem to fit each other, the whole money thing.
And there are rumours of a heel Evolution with Batista and Randy Orton, when he gets back from injury.
So what I was thinking was to have CM Punk being the man that everybody wants, as he has the title, caught in the middle of all these factions.
It starts at Summerslam, with Punk vs. Cena, then at Unforgiven Punk vs. Jericho, at No Mercy, Punk vs. JBL, then at Cyber Sunday, Punk vs. Randy Orton, as Batista has a match at GAB. Punk wins every match. Then at Survivor Series, have Fatal-Four Way match, with every member of each stable at ringside, maybe a Lumberjack Match. Make it an elimination match. Then the GM at this point, maybe Regal, comes out and announces that this is a five-way match, and the surprise participant is...The Undertaker!
Order Of Elimination:
1. JBL
2. Cena by Jericho, setting up a fued for later on, maybe at the Rumble.
3. Cena causes Jericho to get eliminated.
4. Punk, so Taker gets another WHC reign!
There you go, a 4-5 monh storyline, and, if done right, could make Punk the next big star, which is obviously what WWE want im to be.
Thoughts?
The gimmicks of John Cena and Randy Orton need to be freshen up, and what better than to lead a stable each? In fact, the ideal stable line-ups have interesting parallels, which would make their feuds more credible.
John Cena - Cut that "I'm the Champ!" and that saluting crap, and return to a partial rapper gimmick he had before. Give funny rapping promos once more, instead of being so focused on the championship and giving irrelevant goodie-two-shoes comments, such as the praises he gave to Orton being one of the best in the business sometime back.
Cryme Tyme - If Cena returns to his rapper gimmick, Cryme Tyme would complement him perfectly. With the RAW tag team division still in its shaky stages despite improving slightly recently, having Cryme Tyme feud with DiBiase and Rhodes should bring back exciting tag-tean wrestling,
Midcarder - This spot is reserved for a surprise gimmick turn from a popular superstar. Kofi is one suggestion, but how about Rey Mysterio?
Valet - WWE has been teasing a romance angle between Cena and Mickie James, so it makes perfect sense for her to be in this stable
Randy Orton - Makes a huge splash upon his WWE return and declare himself as the leader of the heel stable.
DiBiase and Rhodes - Cocky tag-team heels to support the 2nd-generation theme of the stable.
Enforcer - Either JBL or Batista make sense here. JBL being employed by DiBiase Sr., or Batista turns heel and rejoins Orton, as teased by their encounter at One Night Stand. But similar prbs which plagued Evolution might arise. Too many main-eventers in the stable wanting to chase the championship would lead to its inevitable downfall.
Female Enforcer - Beth Phoenix to feud with Mickie James? She can play the role of Chyna well.
A tweener stable consisting of Jericho and Cade is also interesting. They're bona fide heels now, but I still see them as tweeners cos' I can't imagine Jericho suddenly becoming buddies with Orton and JBL, 2 major heels who wrecked his life early into his WWE return. If it happens, this is the stable which WWE can afford to be daring and risky. Give gimmick turns to underutilized wrestlers and build them up. Cade is benefiting greatly from his involvement with Jericho.
John Cena - Cut that "I'm the Champ!" and that saluting crap, and return to a partial rapper gimmick he had before. Give funny rapping promos once more, instead of being so focused on the championship and giving irrelevant goodie-two-shoes comments, such as the praises he gave to Orton being one of the best in the business sometime back.
Cryme Tyme - If Cena returns to his rapper gimmick, Cryme Tyme would complement him perfectly. With the RAW tag team division still in its shaky stages despite improving slightly recently, having Cryme Tyme feud with DiBiase and Rhodes should bring back exciting tag-tean wrestling,
Midcarder - This spot is reserved for a surprise gimmick turn from a popular superstar. Kofi is one suggestion, but how about Rey Mysterio?
Valet - WWE has been teasing a romance angle between Cena and Mickie James, so it makes perfect sense for her to be in this stable
Randy Orton - Makes a huge splash upon his WWE return and declare himself as the leader of the heel stable.
DiBiase and Rhodes - Cocky tag-team heels to support the 2nd-generation theme of the stable.
Enforcer - Either JBL or Batista make sense here. JBL being employed by DiBiase Sr., or Batista turns heel and rejoins Orton, as teased by their encounter at One Night Stand. But similar prbs which plagued Evolution might arise. Too many main-eventers in the stable wanting to chase the championship would lead to its inevitable downfall.
Female Enforcer - Beth Phoenix to feud with Mickie James? She can play the role of Chyna well.
A tweener stable consisting of Jericho and Cade is also interesting. They're bona fide heels now, but I still see them as tweeners cos' I can't imagine Jericho suddenly becoming buddies with Orton and JBL, 2 major heels who wrecked his life early into his WWE return. If it happens, this is the stable which WWE can afford to be daring and risky. Give gimmick turns to underutilized wrestlers and build them up. Cade is benefiting greatly from his involvement with Jericho.
Crimson Bonez
Been a peep since 2004
gotta say i like that idea cena needs to go bak to the "rapper gimmic" lead the stable with cryme time, this would elevate cena as a better face (seeing as though they dont plan on him becoming a heel) and would elevate cryme time as a serious tag team and not a joke, i think if brian kendrick stayed on raw he would have fit in good as spanky as for the rest the heel and twenner stables i think would work out as well
While there are some interesting points made in the above posts, I have to chime in and say that from a personal standpoint I really hope that cena does not go back to his rapper gimmick. That was the time I hated him the most and it really took a long time for me to get over it. There's only so many times that he can come out with a stupid rhyme that basically insinuates that his opponent is gay before that gets really really lame and stale, yet the WWE kept going with that for a long time.
If cena is added to a stable, I will cringe if they make him start rapping again, and I'll be glad for my mute button.
If cena is added to a stable, I will cringe if they make him start rapping again, and I'll be glad for my mute button.
TheGreatSPAMbino
Getting Noticed By Management
I had an idea for an NWO or DX style of faction based around the rated r superstar edge.
Edge would obviously be the leader and world title contender with john morrison as the midcarder and with the edgeheads as the tag title contenders. A heel Shawn Michaels would also be in this group, he would go back to his old controversial ways and i think he would fit in nicely. Also, some diva would be thrown in as well to add some sex appeal. This faction could take over and create lots of controversy. They could be the driving force behind bringing back some attitude in the wwe. just like the nwo worked for wcw this could work for the wwe.
Edge would obviously be the leader and world title contender with john morrison as the midcarder and with the edgeheads as the tag title contenders. A heel Shawn Michaels would also be in this group, he would go back to his old controversial ways and i think he would fit in nicely. Also, some diva would be thrown in as well to add some sex appeal. This faction could take over and create lots of controversy. They could be the driving force behind bringing back some attitude in the wwe. just like the nwo worked for wcw this could work for the wwe.
sounds like a good idea i think it could work but the HBK thing, im iffy about that because anything sex related even appeal, wont work with him cause of his religion and what goes against it. but the four, that would be awesome to start off as like an NWO style because they'd of course be a heel group right? well if thats the case, they could sort of take over maybe smackdown! ya know? and it would most likely be wayyyy better than La Familia. lol i dont think anyone really cared much for that one.
Im not entirely sure what you guys think but i really think John Cena should form some type of stable with Cryme Tyme cause when they were on the stage together like Cryme Tyme following Cena, it looked amazing. it blew me away and i think maybe a "gangster" type gimmick would work well like maybe a small posse. What do you guys think? think it could work? yey, ney, maybey? lol
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shaunbaby
Guest
STREET CYRME!!!
yeah i think it could work, im inclined to say i think it would work better as a heel team, Cena taking want he wants and his thugs backing him up, but you would more than likely need a "break out" star, in this position i would've put CM Punk in this place but with him just winning the World Heavyweight title, that wont.
I do agree whole heartdly that they do look GREAT together.
DeadmanInc.
Getting Noticed By Management
I was thinking about something similar as well. Edge is called the "Rated R Superstar" yet he hasn't done anything "Rated R" ever since Lita left (besides making out with Vickie
). I think a controversial faction is just what Edge needs and it would be reminiscent of the Attitude era. JBL & DiBiase and Cryme Tyme & Cena seem like really obvious factions to make. I'm surprised WWE has waited this long for Cryme Tyme and Cena to work together especially since Cena is a "marine" now instead of Vanilla Ice...err a rapper. JBL and DiBiase would work well together since their gimmicks are so similar.
Which was why I said to return to his rapping gimmick partially. Actually less so of a wannabe rapper, but a street thug. Give Rock-like promos, and perhaps the raps can be short and end in a catchphrase so we won't have to endure 5 mins of his rapping.
I like the idea about Edge leading a credible faction to live up to his 'Rated-R' motto, but he's delved too deep into the shit called La Familia, that in order for him to get out, he'd have to turn face. That faction is crap, it has completely no structure and makes no sense at all. Vickie, a wheelchair-bound woman, stole the limelight from Edge. The rest of the members are jobbers, with the slight exception of Chavo contending for midcard titles.
RAW roster seems perfect to build some nice stables, but the rosters of Smackdown and ECW don't seem to yield any good stable ideas. Where's Ron Killings and D'Lo Brown? They can lead a Nation-like faction.
yeah it definately would need a break out star. maybe like MVP, Ken Kennedy, or Elijah Burke. or even the new guy Atlas Ortiz. Yeah, Punk really would have worked with it cause he dresses in street clothes when not on camera and that would be a great thing to bring into his character but yeah hes the world champ.
