Is it just me or did i see a major cock up on raw?

[Ambiguous Turd]

This whole situation is being blown out of proportion.

I feel that everyone is excused from one bad match on TV every so often. If it becomes a regular occurrence, then that is a different story.

Gail appeared to possibly have gotten the wind knocked out of her when doing the Reverse Cross Body Block from the second rope. You could audibly hear Mickie telling her to "get up", however it took Gail a moment or two to stumble to her feet. Mickie went for the DDT, however Gail appeared to still be feeling the effects of hitting the mat from the Body Block. Mickie missed the kick, and then said "Hell with it" so pinned her with a forearm.

I have this need to understand why the IWC goes as far as trashing people or even going so far as for calling for wrestler's resignations after having one bad match. Casual fans, who represent the majority of the fanbase, don't dwell anywhere near to the extent that the IWC does with this stuff.

 

[Rebecca]

This whole situation is being blown out of proportion.

I feel that everyone is excused from one bad match on TV every so often. If it becomes a regular occurrence, then that is a different story.

Gail appeared to possibly have gotten the wind knocked out of her when doing the Reverse Cross Body Block from the second rope. You could audibly hear Mickie telling her to "get up", however it took Gail a moment or two to stumble to her feet. Mickie went for the DDT, however Gail appeared to still be feeling the effects of hitting the mat from the Body Block. Mickie missed the kick, and then said "Hell with it" so pinned her with a forearm.

I have this need to understand why the IWC goes as far as trashing people or even going so far as for calling for wrestler's resignations after having one bad match. Casual fans, who represent the majority of the fanbase, don't dwell anywhere near to the extent that the IWC does with this stuff.

I think people are just overreacting. If I remember correctly, Melina/Michelle wasn't any good first time round either, and then the second match, though spotty, it was a vast improvement. The more you work together, the better you get at working together. The same concept goes for Mickie and Gail. I don't understand how anybody can expect Mickie and Gail to put on a spectacular match when they've not even gone one on one at house shows yet. Throw in the fact that this match wasn't hyped in the first place, why is it being trashed like it was the most hyped match of the century that didn't deliver? I'll agree it should have been alot better than it was, but at the end of the day, wrestlers are humans, and humans make mistakes.

A problem with the match was that it was a face vs face match - they made Mickie and Gail look too even (to the casuals eye). One of them should have played a heel, there where times in the match when Mickie or Gail would be respectful and allow each other to get up - luckily Mickie went for the Mick Kick at one point, which was a nice difference.

The problem with the crossbody spot, was that Gail basically showed Mickie she was ready for the DDT by putting her hands on Mickies hips - if Gail couldn't take the spot, she shouldn't have done that. Gail was just too stiff. But at the end of the day, it was just 'another divas match', and hopefully they get another chance to showcase what they can do. Everybody here knows that both divas can do alot better, and personally, I want to see Mickie kick Gails ass again.

 

[Sedated]

That whole match was pretty horrilbe/lazy.

I have no real feelings about Gail Kim either way, I've watched a few of her matches that I've enjoyed and prob. just as many which I thought were total crap.

I kinda doubt she was seriously injured or injured at all as I think Mickie would have noticed or been told by the Ref. and not had that "You've just molested my children" look on her face.

On a semi related side note: The quality of Mickeys matches in general seem to be going steadily down hill. There was awhile where she was great but now she's starting to look a little over weight and lazy.

 

[The Decrypter]

This whole situation is being blown out of proportion.

I feel that everyone is excused from one bad match on TV every so often. If it becomes a regular occurrence, then that is a different story.

Gail appeared to possibly have gotten the wind knocked out of her when doing the Reverse Cross Body Block from the second rope. You could audibly hear Mickie telling her to "get up", however it took Gail a moment or two to stumble to her feet. Mickie went for the DDT, however Gail appeared to still be feeling the effects of hitting the mat from the Body Block. Mickie missed the kick, and then said "Hell with it" so pinned her with a forearm.

I have this need to understand why the IWC goes as far as trashing people or even going so far as for calling for wrestler's resignations after having one bad match. Casual fans, who represent the majority of the fanbase, don't dwell anywhere near to the extent that the IWC does with this stuff.

I agree 100% with Lord Sidious. Gail Kim rarely ever botches, and it was most likely the failed diving crossbody from the 2nd rope, when she hit her head, that knocked her in and out of consciousness. She couldn't focus the rest of the match, and Mickie James probably wasn't really aware of this. I think Gail Kim is amazing, talented and beautiful, and she tries hard. But she hit, her f*cking, head. Like come on guys, give her a break.

 

[The Gribbler]

To be perfectly honest the Diva's devision is so bad I wouldn't have noticed anything short of a seizure in the ring.

No I'm kidding. But this was one of the worst botches I have seen in a long while from two normally solid workers.

Too bad, this feud had potential but with how fast the WWE creative department sours on things this might be the kiss of death for what could have brought the division back.

Or maybe the severe lack of other options will save it... who knows...moreover since it IS the divas... Who really cares?

 

[D-Man]

I agree 100% with Lord Sidious. Gail Kim rarely ever botches, and it was most likely the failed diving crossbody from the 2nd rope, when she hit her head, that knocked her in and out of consciousness. She couldn't focus the rest of the match, and Mickie James probably wasn't really aware of this. I think Gail Kim is amazing, talented and beautiful, and she tries hard. But she hit, her f*cking, head. Like come on guys, give her a break.

I'm a big fan of the Divas division and I want to see it flourish as much as the next person. However, Gail Kim has been the queen of botched moves since she came back to the WWE. What really confuses me is that she was so solid in TNA, but once she comes back to WWE she can't have a decent match with her opponents. Now, I know most of you will say it's because the talent pool in TNA's female wrestlers is much more advanced (which I agree with) but all of the botches by Gail Kim in the WWE thus far have obviously been her fault, even for a casual viewer. Accidents DO happen in a wrestling ring, as unfortunate as they are, but to be more "politically correct" for everyone, it seems that Gail Kim is a bit more "accident prone" than the rest of the divas on the roster.

Now, addressing Sidious's point, it does seem that many of us may be "blowing this out of proportion," but that's why discussion forums like this exist. We are all aware that Raw is a live show. A live show leaves very little room for mistakes, no matter what the product being displayed might be. If we choose to discuss the issues and state our opinions on this site (or others, for that matter) then we shouldn't be frowned upon. With all due respect, if you don't like it, don't read it. I know there are other threads dedicated to completely trashing Monday Night Raw's product as a whole that you regularly post your negative views in. This thread should be treated in the same manner.

 

[Ambiguous Turd]

Now, addressing Sidious's point, it does seem that many of us may be "blowing this out of proportion," but that's why discussion forums like this exist. We are all aware that Raw is a live show. A live show leaves very little room for mistakes, no matter what the product being displayed might be. If we choose to discuss the issues and state our opinions on this site (or others, for that matter) then we shouldn't be frowned upon. With all due respect, if you don't like it, don't read it. I know there are other threads dedicated to completely trashing Monday Night Raw's product as a whole that you regularly post your negative views in. This thread should be treated in the same manner.

Not everyone within the thread is going to agree on a certain point of view. That is not what the forums are designed for. Forums are designed for discussion and that includes dissenting views.

That is the first time I have ever heard anyone suggest that if someone posts a topic with a certain viewpoint, that everyone posting within that same thread should be agreeing with that viewpoint, and everyone else who disagrees should simply not read it and post a different thread. That is the first time I ever heard anyone suggest such a thing.

Maybe you should share your thoughts with a Mod and see if they agree with your thought process.

 

[D-Man]

Not everyone within the thread is going to agree on a certain point of view. That is not what the forums are designed for. Forums are designed for discussion and that includes dissenting views.

That is the first time I have ever heard anyone suggest that if someone posts a topic with a certain viewpoint, that everyone posting within that same thread should be agreeing with that viewpoint, and everyone else who disagrees should simply not read it and post a different thread. That is the first time I ever heard anyone suggest such a thing.

Maybe you should share your thoughts with a Mod and see if they agree with your thought process.

No, we aren't going to agree with everyone's points of view. But, my post neither agreed nor disagreed with yours. It merely stated (in a few more words) that we were drifting off subject. But, you and I already established that over PM now, didn't we?

Fact of the matter is that the women in Monday's matchup should not be crucified for making one mistake on one night. Let's be frank... it's live TV. Mistakes happen. Hell, last night on America's Got Talent, a contestant with the amazing talent of exceptional piano playing was screwed because the piano's microphone cut off in the beginning of his routine. Mistakes happen and the audience suffers because of those mistakes. But this is the reason why live television is a double-edged sword. On one end, it makes for exciting, unpredictable television. On the other, it leaves room for many mistakes to occur that are unfixable. Back to the subject of Raw, one of those mistakes occurred. However, the talent of the WWE trains diligently to prevent such mistakes from occurring on a regular basis.

This is the problem with the Diva matches on Raw... especially matches with Mickie James and Gail Kim, collectively. Mickie's finisher is too difficult for many of the divas to support. And Gail has botched multiple spots in the past for trying moves that she isn't completely accurate in executing. The WWE needs to pay attention to these problems if they ever wish for the divas division to flourish.

 

[Ambiguous Turd]

No, we aren't going to agree with everyone's points of view. But, my post neither agreed nor disagreed with yours. It merely stated (in a few more words) that we were drifting off subject. But, you and I already established that over PM now, didn't we?

Yes, we did. However, you need to understand that threads may sometimes include other topics that may not directly be in response to the thread topic, but are related to the thread topic. Mine was related to the topic at hand in discussing Mickie James and the unwarranted heat on Gail Kim, that people were over-reacting to this. That is the nature of discussion threads. It was still related to the topic at hand. As I said, you simply used that as an opportunity to come after me, when it wasn't warranted ... and it was a piss poor reason for doing so. If you had a problem with any of the other things I have said in the past like having "the audacity" to criticize WWE, which clearly that was your true motivation for contacting me, then you should have done so in the past, and not waited for a piss poor opportunity like this to do so.

Fact of the matter is that the women in Monday's matchup should not be crucified for making one mistake on one night. Let's be frank... it's live TV. Mistakes happen.

I agree. Which is precisely why I have a need to understand why so many people are jumping down Gail Kim's throat because of this.

I bet any amount of money that if Chris Jericho had one screw up on Raw, and he has on several occasions in the past, then we wouldn't see people jumping down his case, or calling for his resignation.

Hell, last night on America's Got Talent, a contestant with the amazing talent of exceptional piano playing was screwed because the piano's microphone cut off in the beginning of his routine. Mistakes happen and the audience suffers because of those mistakes. But this is the reason why live television is a double-edged sword. On one end, it makes for exciting, unpredictable television. On the other, it leaves room for many mistakes to occur that are unfixable. Back to the subject of Raw, one of those mistakes occurred. However, the talent of the WWE trains diligently to prevent such mistakes from occurring on a regular basis.

I agree, again. I just don't see these mistakes occurring on a regular basis.

This is the problem with the Diva matches on Raw... especially matches with Mickie James and Gail Kim, collectively. Mickie's finisher is too difficult for many of the divas to support. And Gail has botched multiple spots in the past for trying moves that she isn't completely accurate in executing. The WWE needs to pay attention to these problems if they ever wish for the divas division to flourish.

If you can point out some specific matches that you say Gail Kim has botched spots in, then I will take a look.

Where as I am all for having a good match, I will repeat that I really don't think the General Fanbase scrutinizes these matches anywhere near the length that the ROH bots do on the Internet. Again, this mentality implies that in-ring wrestling is a sport, when it isn't.

The increase in Raw's ratings alone since the start of the Guest GM concept should be further proof that fans don't watch Raw for the quality of wrestling. They watch wrestling for the overall entertainment package that it presents. It was a Creative move that led to these ratings increases, not having 4 star matches with zero botches. Smackdown is yet another example of that. Smackdown is the wrestling show. Superstars is also a wrestling show. And yet, both of their ratings are decreasing, not increasing. Wrestling alone, simply does not cut it and where as it should be considered ... it shouldn't be the focus priority. Creative should be the focus priority.

 

[Thumz9814]

I find it odd that everyone is saying Gail Kim looked out of it, cuz I couldn't stop thinking that Mickie James looked like she had taken horse tranqs right before she came through the curtain. idk, maybe she just seemed out of it because (as you guys have been saying) Gail Kim just wasnt doing her part. But I swear Mickie seemed to be out of it long before the failed ddt.

 

[Rebecca]

I find it odd that everyone is saying Gail Kim looked out of it, cuz I couldn't stop thinking that Mickie James looked like she had taken horse tranqs right before she came through the curtain. idk, maybe she just seemed out of it because (as you guys have been saying) Gail Kim just wasnt doing her part. But I swear Mickie seemed to be out of it long before the failed ddt.

Mickie seemed actually winded at one point during the match, though she got over it fairly quickly and carried on. When coming out to the match, she seemed fine, and even when they where doing the 'stand off', Mickie looked very eager to wrestle Kim - can't say i'm shocked, both have an enormous amount of experience in the ring. It's not often Mickie actually gets to have a bout with another face who can wrestle, she seemed extremely enthusiastic about the match. That is probably one reason why she was actually pissed off, she wanted it to go well, and Gail (though not entirely her fault because she was unjured), messed that up for her.

 

[The Gribbler]

Well you can hardly blame her, not only would she be disappointed that the match went poorly but she has something of a reputation of being a good worker within the WWE and this would reflect poorly on her, even without it being her fault.

 

[Rebecca]

Well you can hardly blame her, not only would she be disappointed that the match went poorly but she has something of a reputation of being a good worker within the WWE and this would reflect poorly on her, even without it being her fault.

Pretty much, I even read a report that management was pissed at Mickie for the way the match ended, but I don't believe it in the slightest. Infact, I was reading my weekly blog/article about the women of wrestling, and the guy who writes them just happened to observe something alot more interesting than what 'we' saw.

Mickie James got to her feet first. Something that I did not notice for a long time is that Mickie seems to point to her mouth. At first, I just thought she was blowing her fingers as a small unimportant taunt or something. The more I looked at it, listened to the commentators, and looked at how Mickie executed the kick, I realized that it might have meant a lot more. I honestly believe she was signaling to Gail to take the move in her jaw/mouth/chin. The commentators tried to sell it as Mickie hitting Gail in the jaw. When Mickie executed the kick, she was not aiming for a headshot or full-force smash into the face. Fans may criticize Mickie as if she missed the kick, but it took me a while to realize myself that she was never trying to give Gail a KO kick. She was relying heavily on Gail to sell it well. After the botched DDT, as I said before, it became apparent that Gail was hurting. Mickie knew that, but her desire at that moment was to come up with a finish that still had some credibility to it and did not actually put Gail’s well-being in too much further jeopardy. There were no doctors in the ring at that moment to diagnose how bad Gail was hurt. A kick to the head may not have been good for her, to say the least. People may want to argue that Mickie could have executed a slower and softer kick to Gail’s head. For that kick to even be executed right from Mickie’s end, there has to be some speed to it. And again, Mickie could not tell how bad Gail was already hurting to hit her with a shot right to the head. It makes me go insane how some fans actually expect Mickie James to not give a damn about a possibly-injured opponent’s well-being. Had Mickie worsened Gail’s injury, she would be in a lot more trouble, not just from the fan community, but possibly with the WWE and her own conscience. And people must not forget that a move like that relies on the opponent being in the proper position to take the kick where she wants. If Gail Kim wanted to risk further injury, she could have stuck her head out for it. Considering she even protected herself for the DDT, she did not want the impact that bad either from the kick. Mickie understood this. The fans do not. From the camera angle the WWE did use to support Mickie hitting a light kick, the kick did look credible enough to sell. It did look like part of it touched Gail in the face. The camera shot switched right after any impact, as Mickie was retracting the foot. You would have to argue even deeper than I am to say that kick was not credible at all. Problem is, Gail did not sell it as a KO. She reacted to it as a small smack in the face. She was still too stiff to react well. Mickie was already executing the move lightly for the benefit of Gail’s well-being, but Gail was simply still not all there to repay that kindness by selling it as a knockout. Mickie got all the criticism for that. People really do expect her to make sure Gail gets that concussion for real? Mickie tried to still give a respectable finish while taking Gail’s health into consideration. Was that her mistake? Should she have just pinned Gail after the DDT after failed? Should she have just hit Gail full force? Is that what some people wanted? I agree. Mickie James should stop caring about the quality of what she is expected to do in the ring completely. She should not give a damn about the well-being of her opponent. Her chief concern should be making herself look good and doing whatever she feels like doing in the ring. Not caring about giving a respectable attempt to do your job…not giving a damn about those you work with…that’s the kind of person every little boy and girl should thrive to be, right? Back to business, Gail did not sell the kick as a knockout. I gave one reason why that may have been. She was still too out of it to react well. Maybe she was going for a delayed-KO selling. Maybe she did not feel it was credible enough to work. There are other possibilities out there, but I still feel the first one I gave is the strongest. Point is, when Mickie saw Gail not selling the kick she was already trying not to hurt her with, Mickie just had enough and knocked her down with the forearm. You could tell Mickie was upset from that point. That won her the match.

The whole thing can be found here:
http://killeroflegends.today.com/2009/08/21/analyzing-the-match-ending-for-the-final-time-hopefully/

I've been to several other sites, and a majority of them where infact blaming Mickie, and said she missed the mick kick. Personally I think, she touched her, but barely. Judging from whats written above, I think this just proves once again, that Mickie is a good worker. She did what she could to prevent Gail from getting more injured than she already was, not to mention she was quick on her feet, and thought of something to resolve the botched DDT. She may not have had the best matches, I put that down to the shitty opponents she's been getting, but that doesn't take away the fact that she's still a wrestler who has enough experience in the ring to deal with situations like that. On first viewing the match looked awful, but when you watch it again, it's just the ending which really let it down, by the way it started, it was looking to be one of the best diva TV matches of the year.

 

[The Gribbler]

Excellent find there, really adds another dimension to the whole situation. Do you have any link leading off to the articles that are blaming Mickie for the botch? I wouldn't mind finding out what some people are saying.

I really hope this doesn't block a potential feud between the two, the diva's division has been so dull lately. I think this could be the Lita/Trish of the new gen.

 

[Rebecca]

Excellent find there, really adds another dimension to the whole situation. Do you have any link leading off to the articles that are blaming Mickie for the botch? I wouldn't mind finding out what some people are saying.

I really hope this doesn't block a potential feud between the two, the diva's division has been so dull lately. I think this could be the Lita/Trish of the new gen.

Not so much articles, just the general IWC who go on other sites I visit. They where blaming Mickie, saying she was sloppy, she missed the kick, Gail couldn't lift her because of the DDT, ect. In a nutshell, Mickie was getting blamed for everything.

And I agree, they really should get another match. Why shouldn't they? It was obvious that the one they had on Raw had potential. I still think the match would be better if one of them played a heel, not making the turn, but instead of having that 'even' crap they give us. Whilst its good for chain wrestling, during the end of the match, it kind of kills it. Maybe that's just me though. Mickie/Kim could put on some great matches, more so breaking point, the submission themed event. Both have several submissions in their moveset, and I think they deserve at least 10 minutes to show the world what they can do. A feud would between them would give Gail the boost she needs, and it'll allow Mickie to show certain people that she hasn't lost it, she's just been stuck with shit opponents.

 

[The Gribbler]

Yep - I agree fully, I think this is the sort of Feud that could put the womens division back on the map. I am tired of the lowcard, 6 diva crap they put on week after week. What happened to the era when Womens wrestling was seen as a legit segment of the show.

We can only hope those will return.

 

[The Decrypter]

For this entire week, many here in the IWC have been arguing/debating over what exactly happened during this week's WWE Raw match with Mickie James & Gail Kim. Many blamed Gail Kim, calling her a botch fest and such. However, some people did argue by looking back at clips and such that Gail Kim was out of it, and it wasn't intentionally her fault the match played out the way it did. Here is a source that confirms Gail Kim was indeed out of it:

http://www.ewrestlingnews.com/stories/Report_Mickie_James_Yelled_At_Backstage_At_RA.shtml

Mickie James was yelled at back stage for the way she reacted at the end of this match. I knew that Gail Kim should not have gotten the heat she was getting from the IWC, and others such as Lord Sidious and such also believed that Gail Kim was unfairly receiving this unnecessary heat.

Thoughts?

 

[Bernkastel]

You can't expect wrestlers to work perfectly 100% of the time, one bad match in a field of dozens of solid ones shouldn't do anything to hurt their credibility. Brock Lesnar was working with the flu during the match he broke Hardcore Holly's neck in... should that one incident have painted Lesnar as a dangerous worker?

In the wrestling business you have good days and bad days... Gail Kim was simply having a bad day

 

[Viola Moonlight]

This is calling me out of the bar room for sure. Mention Mickie James & I am here!

There is no reason for Gail Kim to recieve any heat at all from the way she & Mickie James did the ending of the match. Kim landed the Diving Crossbody wrong & knocked her head enough to cause Kim being out of it for the match ending. You cannot blame Gail Kim at all for this, mistakes like this happen all the time & there are countless times that things like this happen. Remember when Goldberg went for a spear, the other guy moved & Bill hit his head straight on the ring post? Same thing. It is a mistake you cannot change & must quickly work through.

The match ending I was disappointed in. The botched DDT has an excuse as Gail cannot simply handle a move of this intensity whilst incapacitated. The commentators covered it as a counter which is a great call. However, the kick followed by the elbow did make me go It is not Gail's fault at all as she was not in the right frame of mind, but the kick has the same reaction to the forearm elbow though.

As for Mickie James overreacting, the only valid point that I see her running with the one I stated above. The Mick Kick & a forearm requires the same selling process, to fall down. It is one thing to reverse the signature DDT, thats fine. But when you completely no sell a finisher but collapse to a forearm? That's when you have some sort of right to issue a complaint. The only saving grace that this situation has is Kim was out of it badly. The officials have a right to tell Mickie not to get angry about it, but going ballistic at her for a semi-valid point is not right at all.

 

[SavageTaker]

I don’t think that either Mickie or Gail should be blamed for the way the match turned out. In pro-wrestling, everyone has bad matches at one point in their careers and this was obviously the case here. No one can have perfect matches all of the time and I think some people have to understand that. I doubt even Bret Hart had a good match every time he wrestled. Anyways, they did have a bad match and now we move on and hope that the next match doesn’t turn out the way that one did.

As far as Mickie acting unprofessionally, I do have to agree with that but I don’t think she should have been yelled at. All they could have simply done is reprimanded her and nothing more, it would probably have had the same effect. Anyways, she might not have seen or noticed that Gail was completely out of it, but it still doesn’t give her any right to act the way she did. I love Mickie but she has to remember that when she is wrestling, there is a certain amount of professionalism that needs to be shown and maintained. She can’t flat out show that she was pissed over something that wasn’t even her or her opponents fault. Hopefully next time something happens, she stays a professional and tries her best to not make it obvious something has happened. If she is pissed, then take it to the back not in front of the cameras.

 

[Ambiguous Turd]

Well, it's good to hear that cooler heads prevailed backstage in WWE, as that isn't the case very often these days where their decisions are often questionable. However, they were right.

I wouldn't have "chewed Mickie out", but I would have had a conversation with her about her temper tantrum she showed with her reaction to the camera following the match. She must have realized it at some point that she was being too sour over it, since she did an about-face and went over to raise Kim's hand. But I would have had a simple conversation with her asking her to not do that again.

As far as yelling at her over the forearm, I don't think WWE should have done that and that was wrong on their part. If Kim was knocked out, and perhaps Mickie sensed that something was wrong, she did the right thing by ending the match then and there. The announcers already had it covered as Cole specifically said that "Kim appeared knocked-out".

But as far as Kim goes and this ridiculous outrage on here about her and calling for her "resignation" or stating she "should be fired" .... it is just unbelievable. The woman got knocked out, for Fuck's sake. Does that not register in people's heads or do they have to be so selfish that a fucking finish got botched (because someone actually got knocked out), that they have to go to those lengths because it took away from their "enjoyment". I think it simply goes to show the level of juveniles who are causing this ridiculous ruckus when someone gets knocked out, to actually have the nerve to call for their resignation. If she is getting knocked out every week, or every other week, then that is a different story, and perhaps we have an unsafe worker that should be released for their own good. But for something like this to happen out of the clear blue, and to put up such a hissy fit over it ... good grief.

Again, it's just a tribute to how immature, selfish, irrational, and uncaring wrestling fans can be sometimes.

 

[Rebecca]

Sorry, but i'm not even sure if I even believe this report. I was reading an article, and Mickie did exactly what she should have done regarding the match. Her pissed off look was unprofessional, but at the end of the day, wrestlers are human. Several wrestlers including Shawn Michaels, The Rock, ect, have all gotton annoyed at their opponents at some point in matches, and i'm not even going to deny that Mickie was wrong to do what she did, but she missed the kick on purpose (hence why she signalled to Gail that she was going to hit her chin), and Gail didn't return the favor, instead, she no sold. As for the forearm, shouting at her over that would have been fucking stupid. Mickie did one finish, failed, then she did another, failed, shall we try a third and have that one fail too? When you're on live TV, it's hard to think when you're on time, and you've got two seconds to spare. Infact, I applaud Mickie for being quick on her feet.

Anyway, if I was in Mickies situation, i'm sure i'd be annoyed too at how the match went as well, why wouldn't you be? Mickie isn't to blame in the match itself, only afterwards did she make herself look silly, when she rolled her eyes and made a bit of a scene. At the end of the day, the whole match was scripted, or so it seemed, mistakes happen, unlike the photos on WWE.com, you cannot airbrush the imperfections. The report is probably exagerrated, and Mickie most likely just exchanged a few words with whoever, explained the situation, ect. She's never done anything like this in the ring before, she's had a clean slate for almost 5 years, get over it. When something bad like that happens, its extremely hard to act all happy and smiley about it.

 

[MattDaCripple24]

So, I jsut re-watched this match on my DVR an first off the whole match was pretty bad. The rolls around the ring were kinda rididuclous. The topic at hand though is that Mickie over-reacted at the end, well I don't see it. Gails head definetly smashed on the floor after the botched cross body and then yes, didn't allow the DDT. As for the Mick-Kick, it doesn't even come close to connecting, so the elbow was necessary to at least get her down. Right after the pin there is a close up of Mickie and she doesn't look happy, but I don't think in any way that's a bad reaction. I think she legitimately was just worried about Kim. She goes and grabs the title, puts her arm up and goes right over and checks on Kim, helps her up, and then raises Gail's hand. So I see absolutely no reason for either of the girls to be yelled at, especially Mickie James. Now, I don't like Gail Kim at all to begin with. In TNA she was very entertaining, but since coming to WWE I can't even think of one time I've heard her even talk and honestly I think she kinda sucks. Now I don't want her fired or anything, but I can see why management should have a problem with her putting basically no effort in any matches recently, this one especially. Leave Mickie alone, she didn't have alot to work with, but also, give Kim a little slack, not alot because she did mess up a simple cross body, but let's just leave it all at that.

 

[KozVlad]

How is Mickie honestly supposed to act after a match like that? All smiles, like nothing happened? Act like she does not care about the quality of the match? If her reaction pointed to anything, it is that she did care. She also did care about Gail’s well-being. Even if Mickie James did let her emotions get to her right after the pin, do not forget that she did go over to Gail and shook her hand. She did hold her hand as she got up. She did raise her arm into the air. That is professionalism. Backing up, I did say that Mickie James may have let her emotions get to her right after the match, but what did she do that was so evil? As I said, you cannot expect her to be all smiles as if she does not care about the match or nothing happened. Fans would have criticized her for that too. Professionalism would mean trying to continue the show, not crying over Gail like the whole thing was the greatest disaster ever. That would have been overreacting. Just standing there and soaking in the cheers the fans were still giving her would have been reacting horribly in the other direction, somewhat snobbish for a face. Mickie James did get cheered, but the expression on her face was definitely not one of joy. She was upset, possibly even questioning if she deserved those cheers. Considering everything, keeping in mind that Mickie James is human, and realizing that most any option Mickie took probably would have been criticized by someone for something, she did nothing that bad really. I doubt the whole rumor. If someone has some kind of scenario that would have been more professional for Mickie to do, kept the show going on, and would not garner any criticism, PLEASE tell me. It is not an easy thing. Even with all these days to think about it, you may come up with a wise answer that I cannot deny, but never forget that Mickie James was right in the fire. She had to show some emotion, whether the match ended right or not.

And the match was not bad either. It was a typical face vs. face between two people trying to put on a fast paced match. Just like a similar match would have a segment or two with near falls, that is what the rolling around was meant for. That was not catfight garbage, but a counter by Gail into a roll up, but Mickie would not give her time to get a count before trying to reverse the leverage herself, and it continued for a few exchanges, but not for disgustingly long.

An Mickie James never meant to hit that kick hard. If Gail Kim got bumped in the head and was out of it, which became clear after the first botch, Mickie was not going to risk worsening it. The WWE used the safe camera angle to facilitate Mickie going for a soft kick to graze Gail but not hurt her, but Gail was still too stiff from the bump to sell it well.

 

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Everything about the womens wrestling on Raw has went down hill since the whole Santino/Santina Queen of WM bullshit storyline that took Beth Phoenix out of the title picture. If that wasnt bad, it got even worse once James won the title. I put good money on it that if Maryse didnt have to have surgery on her knee cap, that she would still be the Diva's Champ and this whole mess wouldnt of happened.

This whole thing was Mickie's fault, Gail Kim is not at fault in this situation. I dont know what James is billed at, but shes packing on the pounds, hence why shes wrestling in those pants now instead of the skirt she used to wear. She botched the finish, and Gail Kim had all the right in the world not to sell Stratusfaction. If Mickie was smart, she would of used a school boy roll up to win the match, that way it was a surprise and out of no where, rather than the Piss Poor ending we saw