Is it just me or did i see a major cock up on raw?

[Rob S.]

Uh can i just ask, did anyone else see the mistake between Gail and Mickie, she didn't take the DDT, then mickie missed the kick and won with a forearm!? I thought it was Gail's mistake but what do u guys think, kinda ruined what would have been a great match with the two best Divas in my opinion?

 

[AnthonyMango/NoFate007]

To me, it looked sort of like Gail had a concussion and was totally out of it. Mickie's DDT basically depends on the other person doing most of the work, and Gail just went limp. Then, Mickie had no clue what to do, so she went to her 2nd finisher, and Gail looked dazed and confused. She didn't even snap her head back or anything to try to sell it. That's when it looked like Mickie just said "fuck this", gave her a forearm, pinned her to finish the match, and then walked around looking confused and angry at what happened.

Its weird, cause that match was a total EKG. It started out with a pop from Mickie, then the crowd went dead for Gail. Then it spiked again with the reversals and all that good stuff. Then it went COMPLETELY flatline with the ending. Hopefully we find out what happened.

 

[Nate DaMac]

Yeah I noticed. Kin totally sandbagged her. You could tell Mickie was pissed. Maybe this will be the end of the horseshit praise Kim gets all the time. She is a spot worker, not some tremendous female wrestler. The bad thing is that even though she sucks, she is still in the top 5 Divas. Pathetic.

 

[Rob S.]

Yh i know you cud see how pissed Mickie was thats what kinda made me laugh after the match, i must agree, i'm yet to realise whats so great about Kim?

 

[Viola Moonlight]

No, I saw the absolute stupid excuse for a match finish I have ever seen in my lifetime as well. I know that wrestlers are allowed to have the odd mistake ever once and a while, but this? That DDT botch was fair enough, Jerry Lawler covered that so well by saying she made the block & it is a difficult move for someone like Gail Kim who is not all that familiar with the WWE diva's division. But the kick? All you have to do is get hit by it & fall, even if it was a real hit.

I am extremely dissappoined by the tradegy that just happened. This long feud between Mickie James & Gail Kim was supposed to be one huge factor in the saving grace of rekindling the divas division with fan interest. It was a solid match overall & the two put on a great match until the finish. I just hope that both Kim's & James' talents & the WWE's refocussed booking/creative team are able to overcome this & claim this as just another Diva's match that happens on RAW. They need a Gail Kim heel turn very quickly as the only pops she is getting is from her ring work, so they can make this feud more interesting.

 

[CKguy217]

Yea, I was watching that match too, and when it was over, I was like, "What the heck just happened, I saw no connection with the DDT or the chick kick, but then she falls to the forearm?" It was just a weird situation, and I was looking forward to the match, because I THOUGHT Gail Kim is amazing, and Mickie is my favorite diva, and an awesome female wrestler.

 

[shafe_41]

I think it looked like Gail was knocked out or out of it legit. The way she looked when Mickie helped her up after the match was not right. Gail looked like a zombie and looked like she had no idea what was going on or even where she was at that moment. There had to be something actually wrong with her I believe for her to look like that. Quit bashing Gail for christ sake and actually observe the people in the match and maybe you'll see where something went wrong for Gail to appear to look legit injured or concussed.

 

[Viola Moonlight]

I think it looked like Gail was knocked out or out of it legit. The way she looked when Mickie helped her up after the match was not right. Gail looked like a zombie and looked like she had no idea what was going on or even where she was at that moment. There had to be something actually wrong with her I believe for her to look like that. Quit bashing Gail for christ sake and actually observe the people in the match and maybe you'll see where something went wrong for Gail to appear to look legit injured or concussed.

Ah yes, I did notice this after reviewing the tapes a couple of times. She did seem to be out of it completely. However, legitimately concussed/injured or a botchy ending... the fact of the matter is that the WWE need to recover the potential feud between the two divas after the ending of the RAW match. As I said, they need to mask the match & forget it ever happened so an epic diva feud in the works can be created. Mickie James needs to do this with Gail Kim in order to rub off her WWE experience so the company can use Kim as a veteran to train the other diva's. Mickie James is only one women & cannot carry the division by herself, albeit her talents as a female wrestler.

 

[Rob S.]

I think it looked like Gail was knocked out or out of it legit. The way she looked when Mickie helped her up after the match was not right. Gail looked like a zombie and looked like she had no idea what was going on or even where she was at that moment. There had to be something actually wrong with her I believe for her to look like that. Quit bashing Gail for christ sake and actually observe the people in the match and maybe you'll see where something went wrong for Gail to appear to look legit injured or concussed.

Ah i just watched the tape back and i saw how Kim came off the 2nd rope on her cross body attempt, she lands on her head and then seemes really out of it from then on as she doesn't even respond to the kick to her stomach, i think thats probably the explanation to be honest, it looks that way anyway?

 

[brochester8]

Talking about mistakes. During the Carlito / Kofi match Lawler said that Carlito wants to add his name to the people who have held the US title. It is common WWE knowledge that he wond the US title back when he debuted on Smackdown.

 

[jtov05]

I caught another mistake this time from mistake King, Michael Cole. While Cole got most former US title holders correct like Stone Cold and Ricky Steamboat, he mentioned The Rock's name too. The Rock never won the US title, and I think that Cole was thinking of the IC title. But overall, last night's Raw was a little improvement of the last few months but I can't stand Michael Cole. Sadly, next week is Lilian's final night, and I'll be shedding a few tears after seeing her beautiful self for the last time.

 

[Freddy4190]

I never was a fan of Gail Kim. She was cool in her original run in the WWE because she was a much-needed change from the blonde haired, ditzy Diva's that were around then, but now she's just.. bleh. The whole match was bland, Gail Kim got basically no reaction, and the ending was horseshit. They tried though, some of the reversals were pretty cool, and they had my interest piqued for a minute or two.

 

[Evan Snow-Wolf]

I mentioned this in the Raw Aftermath Thread, and got this reply:

Both finishers where botched, but it wasn't Mickies fault. Gail couldn't take the DDT properly, and she took it worse than Rosa and Maryse. Then the annoucers decided it was a counter, and then Mickie went for the Mick Kick (she hit it like she hits it everytime; though some like to say Mickie missed it when she didn't), and Gail just stood there when she was supposed to fall down and sell it - basically she no sold the kick, and Mickie punched her and then got the pin. The match wasn't anything special, but Gail was sloppy as anything, really can't blame Mickie for the finishers tbf. Mickie should go back to using the superkick, especially since Gail made two of Mickies finishers look like shit.

I agree. After rewatching it on YouTube, it looks to me like Gail made Mickie look like an idiot.

I never did like Gail Kim. Maybe now I remember why. She's like Jeff Hardy in the ring... except... you know... without the awesome.

 

[TheBestThereNevaWas]

I think some of you guys are being harsh about Gail making Mickie look stupid. Why would Gail intentionally put herself in a bad situation like that? It did look like she was stunned after bouncing her head off the mat on the missed 2nd rope crossbody. I really hope WWE doesn't pull the plug on this feud & go back to relegating women's wrestling to an afterthought. That could also be why Mickie was upset. This feud was supposed to bring some interest to the ladies' division. Here's hoping that they'll be able to recover from this because the match was actually one of the better diva matches I've seen on WWE in a good while.

Now if only Nattie Neidhart would be allowed to showcase her wrestling skills...

 

[Rhino]

when I want to see women wrestle I watch TNA... sorry WWE chicks don't do it for me... but want to see Kim do well and was happy to see her return after great TNA run

 

[BernacK6]

This is why Divas wrestling is so dumb. A botched finish in the male matches would have been covered up to make it look like nothing happened. This is the best the WWE can do? Mickie James and Gail Kim? I was looking forward to two excellent title defenses and I got one in the US Title Match. Great booking by WWE to do something with Carlito.

The Divas once again dissappoint. Can we put this debate to rest now? They aren't good enough to warrant more than the 10 minutes they waste on Raw every week. Botched finish or not, the match sucked up til that point and the finish just buried any or all interest I had in the Divas division.

 

[RayneJames81]

I am a HUGE fan of Mickie James and I really like Gail Kim too. I do have to agree though, that I think whether or not it was intentional, and I dont think it was, Gail botched the ending of that match. It seemed that Mickie was frustrated and it could have been because of what happened in the ring or it could be story line. Mickie can wrestle and kick ass. She is one of few women in the entire WWE Universe that can truely wrestle. These women shouldnt be forced to carry the Divas division alone. Time to buckle down and train these Divas to get better: Gail, Alicia, Maryse, Jillian and Katie Lea and Natalya. All these women have alot of potential and just need to get the push and training they deserve!!!

 

[Rebecca]

I agree. After rewatching it on YouTube, it looks to me like Gail made Mickie look like an idiot.

I never did like Gail Kim. Maybe now I remember why. She's like Jeff Hardy in the ring... except... you know... without the awesome.

And without the character, charisma. Also unlike Gail, the crowd actually cares about Jeff.

But anyway, Gail basically humilated Mickies finishers, and needless to say, I can't blame Mickie for being pissed off/upset. Guys like Orton, Shawn, even The Rock have gotton annoyed at their opponents in the ring. Mickie wasn't annoyed at first, after Gail botched the DDT so badly, they where just stuck as of what to do. Mickie thought quick (which would have saved the match), went for her Mick Kick, and as i've mentioned, Gail no sold.

Whether Gail was hurt or not, all she had to do was fall down, not stand there for a few seconds and make Mickie look like a complete idiot. But if people want to blame Mickie then it's alright, because the WWE really knows what happened, and you could tell Gail messed up purely because of the look on both their faces. The match was actually good to start, I don't see why people are complaining but each to their own. My theory is that Mickie planned the continuous (sp?) roll up spot; if you've seen Alexis Laree/Sumie Sakai, you'll know what I mean

You also have to remember that neither of the two have actually wrestled against each other, unless really want to count the tag match in OVW back in 2005. They should have done some hype for the match, and allowed them to wrestle against each other at house shows.

 

[image1986]

Whoa whoa whoa I think yall are being a lil too critical of this math and gail. This is not the first botch finish wwe has ever had or even the worse. Remember stone cold vs owen when owen piledrived austin and he was hurt. Then stone cold perform the slowest roll up ever seen and rolled up owen 4 the win? That's was pretty bad and didn't even look believeable and even sloppy. Somehow austin finished the match and that's all that mattered. The same goes for gail kim, if she was hurt how well could she perform the match if she was in and out of consciousness, give the girl a break. Unless u rewatch it over and over it wasn't that bad of an ending

 

[Rebecca]

Whoa whoa whoa I think yall are being a lil too critical of this math and gail. This is not the first botch finish wwe has ever had or even the worse. Remember stone cold vs owen when owen piledrived austin and he was hurt. Then stone cold perform the slowest roll up ever seen and rolled up owen 4 the win? That's was pretty bad and didn't even look believeable and even sloppy. Somehow austin finished the match and that's all that mattered. The same goes for gail kim, if she was hurt how well could she perform the match if she was in and out of consciousness, give the girl a break. Unless u rewatch it over and over it wasn't that bad of an ending

Agreed with the comment that people are being a little too critical.

The match wasn't perfect, but as I said in my other post, this was their first time working together. Sometimes the chemistry is there (See McCool/Mickie from Surivor Series), and sometimes it isn't. Gail and Mickie clicked in the first part of the match, I was seeing shades of indy Mickie. The match only went downhill from the crossbody, the rest was fairly solid tbh.

 

[My$terio_Fan]

Twas a horrible match overall. The entire match was sloppy in my opinion and neither diva looked very interested in it. There are "talks" and "rumors" on the diva board that I post at that Gail was knocked the fuck out after her crossbody. Who knows, but the finish was horrible. Mickie missed the kick, Gail didn't sell it, and it was just one big hot mess.

Terrible match from two of the WWE's best. Maybe these two just don't have chemistry. Even girls like Melina & Beth have weird chemistry that doesn't flow with certain ladys. But hopefully the WWE hasn't lost faith in a Gail/Mickie feud, but I think with the way Vince is, he might just cut it short before it even begins.

Edit: Just rewatched the match. It wasn't as bad as I thought, but wasn't as good as it should have been with such great wrestlers like Mickie & Gail. Ending was still bad, but if it was because Gail was legit hurt, then I forgive them.

 

[TheBigRedMember]

Yeah, I watched it, was like, "Woah, this match is almost as good as that fatal 4 way back a month or so back." And then the finish came, and I sat there wondering what just happened. Mickie goes for the DDT, but kinda falls to the side. King says Gail counterd, which makes sense. Then Mickie goes for the Chick kick, Gail no-sells, and mickie wins with a forearm. Wow. I've read the other posts here, and if Gail is legit hurt, than I hope she gets better, but that doesen't stop this match from having one of the worst endings of all time.

 

[Dave]

What a ridiculous excuse for a match that was. Never in my life have I seen anthing like before. Both of them were to blame in my opinion. Mickie James less so but she was still in the ring and in the match so she must take some of the blame. Gail Kim is certainly the culprit. That DDT depends on your opponent staying strong ebough that you can hoist yourself off of them but Gail Kim sandbagged and the whole finish was fucked after that. I suppose Mickie did her best to get a decent match finish by going to the second finisher but Gail Kim didn't sell that either. After the finish though, I knew that something was up and Mickie James seemed to exaserbate the problem by looking confused. If she had celebrated like she had just kept her title, it may have taken away from the finish. Instead, she looked very confused and drew attention to it.

A horrible excuse for pro-wrestling and it proves that the Diva's shouldn't be wrestling.

 

[D-Man]

I believe the match was ok... not good... just ok. Up until the botched spot at the end, the match had all of the components of a divas match that we, as the WWE's audience, have reluctantly accepted over time.

Let's face it... women's matches are never going to rival HBK vs. Undertaker at this past year's Wrestlemania. The bar has been raised so high in men's professional wrestling that women are just overshadowed and left in the dust. They put forth their best efforts to entertain us, and for that, I salute them.

However, Mickie's finisher has been botched by pretty much every diva on the roster. Why, you ask? Let's break it down for a minute... it's somewhat of a standing Tornado DDT. So, how do we execute this move? Well, since gravity is pulling the force of the person doing the move down to the mat, in order to make it look more drastic, the receiver of the DDT must have the strength to lift the executor in the air before gravity takes control. So, it may appear that Mickie James is difficult to lift and she needs to lose weight, right?? WRONG. I don't care how athletic these women are... even a 5'4", 130lb girl like Mickie James is going to seem like the Big Show compared to a tiny, 120lb Gail Kim, or any other ski-and-bones diva, for that matter!

The bottom line is that Mickie's finisher is too difficult for the divas on the roster to execute properly (aside from a monster like Beth Phoenix). The WWE divas mostly consist of fitness models with little-to-no upper arm strength, lower back strength, or muscle tone. The WWE needs to change her finisher. It puts both Mickie James and her victims in danger of getting seriously injured and looks awful on television when it isn't properly executed!!

 

[Rebecca]

The bottom line is that Mickie's finisher is too difficult for the divas on the roster to execute properly (aside from a monster like Beth Phoenix). The WWE divas mostly consist of fitness models with little-to-no upper arm strength, lower back strength, or muscle tone. The WWE needs to change her finisher. It puts both Mickie James and her victims in danger of getting seriously injured and looks awful on television when it isn't properly executed!!

Melina and Katie Lea have also never had a problem executing the move - for that matter, neither has Michelle McCool. I don't see why they dropped Mickies superkick finisher, maybe it was because Shawn was returning, but back in OVW, when Mickie actually weighed more than she did now, she was still doing DDT's, shoulder-to-floor Hurracaranas on women who where much smaller than her. Either way, personally, I think she should go back to her running DDT or her top rope DDT, they don't rely on the opponent as much, and are honestly more 'believable' because she's even beaten Beth Phoenix clean with them at house shows - not that i'm saying the standing torndado DDT isn't believable btw, I just think her other two are alot more impacting on the opponents.