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IS Choking with weapons really THAT offensive?

When you look at it from a reality sense, then neither is worse than the other. They can both cause physical harm, and can be severely dangerous to the individual that said choking or kidnapping-then-crashing-repeatedly is being done to. However, we can't look at this with our eyes in a real life context - this is WWE realism. It's true that most things are scripted in the show, but I do believe that in bouts like the one on Monday with the "invasion", it's too big of a situation to just script, and they allow the boys to go out and cause some damage, as long as no one gets injured.

Now, I'm going to put my opinion on the stand of why the WWE is so strict against choking, but not this entire kidnapping deal. When you really think about it, it makes sense. First, I'll discuss the choking.

Little kids watch wrestling; it's no secret, and it's why a lot of the adults begin their moaning and groaning about the PG Era and Cena showing up with his flippity floppy hand motions. We all know the world is just a big pile of "monkey see, monkey do". These kids are likely to want to try what they see on the television, to be like the "big stars" they see every Monday and Friday night. The choking in this context is this - a little kid sees a wrestler choke someone on the screen, and they think it seems cool (because most children have become stupid nowadays), so they want to try it with their friends. It's just like the two kids who pull out their dad's gun and give it a try because it seems cool. It puts them in direct risk of causing a major asphyxiation accident if they decide to go and choke another kid out to feel like a fighter. The Benoit thing too, but I decided to give another reason to the whole outlook.

Now, the kidnapping. Do we really need to go after this one? First of all, like I said, it's kids that watch this show most, and it's kids that Vince and the management are being so cautious over. What is the likelihood of a seven year old child kidnapping a grown person (or child), throwing them into a car, and smashing it all over the place? I honestly can't name an incident of similarity to what I described. But this is really the only reason that there's no rule settled over those kidnapping scenarios - the possibility of a child going out and making a mock version of it is too low to even bring up the consideration that "this might be represented bad."

TL;DR
Kids can copy the choking incident a lot easier than the kidnapping one. The possibilities of the latter happening is a near zero chance.
 
Ah kids...

WWE does not equate morals, youngens. I guess you do not remember the necrophilia angle they did one time, do you? Is history really a forgotten thing with most youngsters today? I seriously hope not. But then again, my generation didn't have the luxuries kids do now.


Ah idiots...

I guess you dont remember that WWE is PG now and wasnt back then when they did necrophilia, Heidenrich/Cole, Mae Young/Birth, Zack Gowen/Brock....
 
I think most of you are missing the point. With the exception of TheOneBigWill.
The "kidnapping" was all a part of a script. It was planned. The choke was not talked about, it was done on the spot, in the heat of the moment.

I'm pretty sure you can get away with a comical tie choking on PG-TV.

In much the same way that you can get away with kidnapping and trying to shock a fragile stroke victimized man by putting him in a vehicle and crashing said vehicle into other vehicles.

Just in the same way you can hit people with sledgehammers or steel pipes, or even the way they used Irons, ironing boards and hairspray in the Diva ppv match last month.

Or even the way Jericho was choking Bourne on the ring ropes last night.
This has nothing to do with the PG rating.

It is purely because Bryan Danielson decided to do something on the spot that turned out to be against a strict WWE policy. To have avoided being in the wrong he should have known the rules.
 
Needless to say, i think you are completely wrong!

Firstly, I think you are over-analysing the WWE product. I have learned to be more of a fan lately because I simply put everything else out of mind. I put the Attitude Era and The Rock out of my mind. I put what will happen in the future with pushes and young superstars and I just watched the show. After that, I realised that the WWE is still putting out some really good shows and if you can just watch it for it's value, then you might enjoy it a little more without thinking of what went before it.


Fair enough Dave you could put the past out of your mind and enjoy the product for what it is today. I wish I could do the same as you but I tried and just can't enjoy it the same as the old days, and I started watching in the Hogan era which was also PG as you know and it was a hell of a lot more enjoyable to me than it is today.

Lastly, this isn't about Benoit. Sure, he was alleged to have choked out his family but that is completely different from a suplex or a clothesline and you know that. "Choking" is not a part of wrestling, per se. Suplexes are. Of course they couldn't outlaw suplexes, it is a critical part of all wrestling. I guess if he did that we could outlaw all collegiate wrestling too huh? Don't be stupid!

Choking is not a part of wrestling? It may not be a listed move but come on. I grew up watching people being choked on the ropes, with camera cables with t-shirts, wrist tape and bare hands. Guess what it never made me want to go and choke someone to death.

So am I really being stupid? or maybe I just have a different opinion to you and I have more faith in the kids of today not being so gullible. Thats the problem with society in general, something bad happens and theres uproar and people calling for everything to be banned, we expect people to make stupid choices rather than trusting them to do the right thing.
 
I think he meant for storyline purposes was it Bryan driving, not actually him driving the car.

We all know he was released, I think they were meaning if/when he comes back will it turn out he was driving the car.

I thought a cooler ending would of been having them come back through the crowd and have the WWE guys head towards them, but the the NXT season 2 guys come out from behind the WWE guys and have both seasons of NXT guys smash the place up and end on that note.

I know the season 2 guys have only been around a week but it would of built the whole NXT v the world thing up even more to have the second group joining with the first.

They could continue the normal NXT season two thing as normal, but play it that they are a force to be kept happy and they stand for what NXT season 1 does and after they got beat up on episode 1 of season 2 they aren't gonna put up with it either.

Just my thoughts on a better way to go than with the hole kidnap angle.

NXT is about numbers, the WWE showed they were together.. why not have NXT together to again give them the numbers.
 
Will you people stop harping on about Daniel Bryan already? Gee, it only happened three days ago, and that's all you want to talk about. I mean, he is only some guy from ROH (an overrated promotion, which has great matches, but no storylines to speak of). I mean, he seems impressive, but there are a number of guys in WWE over the years, who were entertaining, but also got sacked, because they didn't have "it".

Bryan may be back and repackaged. But if he was so good, why did he not win "NXT". Wade Barrett won it, and I can see that he will be a future superstar.
 
I personally don't think its so bad, as it is implied violence as opposed to violence shown directly. Besides how many irresponsible kids could reach the pedals?
 
They done this before but I can't remember when it happened?

It was the Undertaker vs JBL for the wwe title and Hendrich came out and attacked Undertaker and put him in a car and crashed it! Undertaker was safe because he somehow managed to get out??

I reckon that Bret Hart will either come out next week okay or he will come out with a broken leg challenge the NXT rookies to a match and the whole Hart family will come out and we will have another Wretlemaina moment.:lol:

P.S kidnapping is a lot worse than choking and why was Daniel Bryan fired over what he was probably told to do by WWE management:wtf:
 
I understand that choking someone with a weapon can come across as being violent but with a tie? Come on!!! I was reading an article that was talking about how Heath Slater was almost fired for choking Cena with the ring ropes and I was like wow they are taking this very seriously. While watching the Evan Bourne and Jericho match Evan happened to fall into the ropes and what does Jericho do? Chokes him with the ropes!!!! So lets all wait for the we wish him luck with his future endeavors on wwe.com
 
Anyone else find it strange that this so called "violent" situation was replayed on NXT and Smackdown? The mere fact that the camera was there to capture it is suspect too. I honestly don't see BD just throwing an unsuspecting Roberts to the floor and choking him with his tie without Roberts knowing a head of time.

If you noticed on Smackdown/NXT they cut to a different camera angle for the choking, and completely cut out the spitting. Obviously by Tuesday when NXT aired they already knew what they were gonna do. Personally I could care less what WWE ultimately decides to do, but this is quite unfortunate since the whole invasion angle was set up to be one of the best WWE has had in a decade. Sucks it was Bryan too, one with a decent potential... why couldn't it be Young?? Oh well.
 
Ah idiots...

I guess you dont remember that WWE is PG now and wasnt back then when they did necrophilia, Heidenrich/Cole, Mae Young/Birth, Zack Gowen/Brock....

It doesn't matter the era, dumbass. Morals are morals. Go ahead and keep thinking that because the WWE is PG now, that it will mean they grew morals. Go ahead. I will not stand in the way or your ignorance.
 
I want to know how WWE comes up with this ridiculous line that can or can't be crossed because of the PG thing. I guess it's the wrong message to show someone being choked out, but it's okay to throw someone in the backseat of a car and get into multiple wrecks with the intent to injure. Or it's okay to do what Batista did to Cena in the one PPV where he backed the car right into a laying Cena...something that would of definitely KILLED someone if done in real life.

Absolutely ridiculous what they've down to the product as a whole, and how they come up with what's PG and not.
 
This whole situation is ridiculous even if its a worked angle.
There is a little message played on every episode starring the man i hate the most (john cena) stating that you shouldn't try this at home. So whether your 8 or 28 you shouldn't be trying to ddt or choke one of your friends out after any one episode of wwe programming.

now lets go down the list of acceptable things wwe has done in the past

Most of them involve the cornerstone of the wwe which is the undertaker. Some of these acts involve cutting open dennis knight with a knife...hanging big bossman...throwing mankind off a cage and threw one being buried alive and setting around person on fire. But since that was not pg rated ill forget about that for a second.

But then the Deadman comes back in pg era with the Hells Gate submission which when he first started using it they used to make his opponents bleed internally and spew blood from there mouths.

-Seamus with a pipe
-HHH with a sledge
-drew basically giving matt hardy brain damage using the ring steps
-batista trying to run over john cena
- and ohh yea nxt rookies throwing a man that cant take a kick to the stomach because he's had two strokes into a limo and crashing it into multiple other cars to intimidate him

but a wwe and a lousy politician get mad when a guy chokes someone out with a neck tie for 5 seconds and there camera crew is stupid enough to tape it.

and i disregard any comments about chris beniot. If John Cena flipped his lid and walked into a day care center and "FU'ed" every child in there would they not allow any more over the shoulder body slams or 5 move superman gimmicks?
 
This whole thing with Daniel Bryan has started a frenzy hasn't it. I personally don't like Bryan. But in his defense, as everyone else is saying, he is not the only one going out there and choking people. I mean after Benoit's death Micheals and HHH even used the crossface. Almost EVERYONE chokes their opponent with the ring ropes somehow sometime. But really, I know wrestling is scripted and fake, but the actual wrestling in the ring part is another story. Bryan looked like he was really trying to kill the guy. And there's no way the guy was in on it or else he would've been pushing up to relieve some of the pressure. Altogether, I think this whole Bryan thing is over-rated and probably a work.
 
I believe the reason why choking is offensive to the WWE has all to do with Chris Benoit killing his wife and chokin his son to death. The WWE doesn't want backlash from it and just like steel chairs to the head if they want to remove choking as an allowed move if not just from behind then great. I don't want WWE to get any negative publicity and would rather they grow as a company. Choking someone isn't offensive or beyond PG-13 and most people wouldn't relate choking soemone to Chris Benoit and the fact he strangled his son to death but thats my take on why its banned.
 
it wasnt offencive at all the only problem is if a little kid see it and dicides to try it on his or her sibling i know if i was still little an di saw this i would probley try this on my sister first chance i got but the spitting thing was wwhen i was like ooh but still it all scripted so suck it up and get over it
 
so if choking with a tie is illegal, what makes it ok for chris jericho choking evan bourne on the middle ropes on raw this past monday night? its still choking.
 
The whole 'Benoit' reference is completely irrelevant.

Most of the WWE audience are too young to remember, or too young to have even been exposed to the Benoit tragedy and the placing the 'offensive' nature of choking in the same category is just plain stupid. It's fine that choking is no longer allowed on the PG network, I get it, sponsors and all that. I just don't think anyone should be fired if they forget, or in this case, are trying to legitimize an angle.

I think being a fan from the 'Attitude Era' as well means that the only thing I've ever really been offended by from WWE programming is old women giving birth to hands and watching HHH have 'relations' with a dead corpse. When you compare that, choking is part and parcel of the wrestling business for me.

Going back to the PG thing, I guess you could construe choking as offensive to certain demographics. Young fans would obviously be far more upset and seeing a 'choking' angle than an older viewer. So I guess, in that respect, as a company you would have to do something. But an apology would suffice, not a firing.
 

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