Of course he'll got all the shit he's been getting, cause the fans expect more from this era and since cena is the top guy, he's the one whos getting flamed, especially after the level of his success that attitude era have reached , people won't be satisfied with anything less than that level(Attitude era). And of course cena is no austin or rock to get to that level, that's why everyone is hating on cena.
Is Cena really as bad as most fans make him out to be?
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Of course he'll got all the shit he's been getting, cause the fans expect more from this era and since cena is the top guy, he's the one whos getting flamed, especially after the level of his success that attitude era have reached , people won't be satisfied with anything less than that level(Attitude era). And of course cena is no austin or rock to get to that level, that's why everyone is hating on cena.
itssoeasy123
Championship Contender
One big fat bold NO!
He is very effective at garnering sympathy from the crowd (well, most of the crowd), through his selling. This isn't simply through showing pain (both immediate and prolonged), but in demonstrating the struggle in overcoming the onslaught (struggling in submissions, or punching to gain space and time to recover).
He has a tremendous ability to read a crowd, and understand when to cash in the sympathy he has built, and cue the comeback. This is the same quality that made Hulk Hogan such a compelling wrestler in the mid-to-late 80s. He is very good at building a "big fight feel". From his mic work, to his entrance, to his match pacing, everything is used to make his main event matches feel like a big deal. He's undeniably a wonderful human being. I mean, the dude has granted more Make A Wish Foundation wishes than any other sports figure in history. Keep in mind, that he's only been a top guy for 5 years.
He's able to blend his match style and formula to a wide variety of opponents, and make it work for not only him, but them as well. Seriously, the guy has done more to establish new stars than anyone in the last decade.
By a mile.
His attention to detail is criminally overlooked. Honestly, when is he ever out of position, or have his timing off, even in the most insignificant of exchanges? When was the last time he botched a move (giving or receiving)? I could probably put together a few more points, but I think this is a good representation of why I feel he is one of the best wrestlers of his generation, and could be an all-time great by the time he calls it quits (8-12 years, barring catastrophe).
He is very effective at garnering sympathy from the crowd (well, most of the crowd), through his selling. This isn't simply through showing pain (both immediate and prolonged), but in demonstrating the struggle in overcoming the onslaught (struggling in submissions, or punching to gain space and time to recover).
He has a tremendous ability to read a crowd, and understand when to cash in the sympathy he has built, and cue the comeback. This is the same quality that made Hulk Hogan such a compelling wrestler in the mid-to-late 80s. He is very good at building a "big fight feel". From his mic work, to his entrance, to his match pacing, everything is used to make his main event matches feel like a big deal. He's undeniably a wonderful human being. I mean, the dude has granted more Make A Wish Foundation wishes than any other sports figure in history. Keep in mind, that he's only been a top guy for 5 years.
He's able to blend his match style and formula to a wide variety of opponents, and make it work for not only him, but them as well. Seriously, the guy has done more to establish new stars than anyone in the last decade.
By a mile.
His attention to detail is criminally overlooked. Honestly, when is he ever out of position, or have his timing off, even in the most insignificant of exchanges? When was the last time he botched a move (giving or receiving)? I could probably put together a few more points, but I think this is a good representation of why I feel he is one of the best wrestlers of his generation, and could be an all-time great by the time he calls it quits (8-12 years, barring catastrophe).
The Mighty Tiger
The Poster Formerly Known as HWR
I can't speak for everyone else only myself, & I DON'T GIVE A DAMN ABOUT THE ATTITUDE ERA COMING BACMK!!!!! If I want to see some Attitude Era I will go to my archives of vhs's & dvd's & jam some of the greatest times in wrestling history. At the end of the day I'm a fan of John's & that's why I say he sucks, cause I know the guy can perform way better than what he been doing. People give this man the benefit of the doubt just cause he does nice things outside the ring & cause he really is a good person blah blah blah.
Fans complain about other fans shitting on him for wrestling like Hogan, but don't give Hogan the same treatment. The reason for that is because Hogan style of wrestling is outdated it was good when Hogan did it decades ago, but that predictable way of puting on a wrestling match is just plain shit now. You said ppl need to get over the fact that the Attitude Era is gone but you accept John performing a style of wrestling that's older than the Attitude Era
. I understand why ppl defend him, it's cause he really can wrestle, & cut a good promo, but for the past few years he hasn't done either, he just bores the hell out of everybody that's older than 10 & if you don't find him boring & your over that age then
smhBigSexy The IndyKiller
Occasional Pre-Show
Well, shake you head, buddy because I'm WELL over the age of 10 by a long shot. That doesn't stop me from enjoying the product as a fan and not a critic. The fact of the matter is that the man is doing what his boss wants him to do. Everyone is blaming Cena for his promos and move set when its not him making the decisions. He is the ultimate company man. Not saying that's a bad thing, but he does what his job calls for. Going against that could severly affect his push and standing within the company. So again, if you don't like it, blame Vince. Or better yet, don't watch...
Words can't describe just how bad John Cena really is. Look at EC last Sunday; he flopped around the ring, stayed down on the mat and then with on F-U he wins. He sucks the excitement out of WWE. 9/10 times you know John Cena is going to win. I read online that he's had a championship over 50% of his career and he's main evented the last 6 of WrestleMania's title matches. He's just so predictable and that makes him as bad as most fans think he is.
The Mighty Tiger
The Poster Formerly Known as HWR
So what you saying is that you blindly look over the flaws of the product cause you are just that much of a wrestling fan??? Hhhmmmmm If you say so. Better Yet Don't Watch IS What You Say Huh? See thats the thing I don't watch, I'm not one of these fans that complain about the product but, still watch the shit. That is just plain stupid
!!! The only reason why I know the rundown on whats going on is cause friends keep me informed & I visit this website from time to time. I understand the guy is a company man, but he wouldn't get fired if he was objective to some of the dumb writing he is apart of. There not about to push back there biggest draw just cause he has a disagreement w/the creative team & just cause he is only following orders doesn't mean he shouldn't catch heat for it either. Stop giving him the benefit of the doubt.BigSexy The IndyKiller
Occasional Pre-Show
So you're telling me that you're basing your opinion on what your friends tell you and what you read on the internet? Are you fucking serious??? MY MAN PLEASE!!!! And yes, I sit back and enjoy the product for what it is.... ENTERTAINMENT. The only complaint I have is the collective group of smartasses who don't know wrestling, yet ridicule it every chance they get.
LitasRevenge79
Mrs. John Constantine
Jack-Hammer always seems to take the words out of my mouth. I'm a self-professed fair-weathered Cena fan. I admit, I didn't really care for him at first. I was like
"Why does this guy continue to run his mouth and get so much damn airtime? He's not worthy of anything he does!" I always rooted against him, wanted him to have his ass handed to him on a silver platter. Sometimes I still do. I ended up watching some of those bio dvds about his life, and got to watch some old school clips of him when he first started. I realized I was being so close minded. I took time to see about his life. The guy worked his ass off to get to where he is. Many superstars can't say enough good things about this man. So what, he's not the man of 10,000 moves in the ring, but he goes out there every night, and wants to make sure that those who came there to see him get an experience they will never forget. I can't fault him for having passion. I sure wish I had half as much drive as that. The man has come back from possible career ending injuries to come back and win Royal Rumble to headline WM. He's performed hurt and finished his matches despite medical advice. I know when I don't feel well, I usually will try something for 5 minutes and probably think "Man, Gotta stop." I admit, I saw him at live shows, and even house shows, he is a machine, and does his damndest and makes sure everyone has an experience whether you like him or hate him. I gotta admire his dedication on his career path, even with the critics and haters, he manages to turn it into a positive situation and find the humor in it. If you cant laugh at yourself, then why would you be in the entertainment field?? It takes guts and a thick skin to do what he does. So screw what people say that Cena is Over-rated, a 5 move pony, etc. My 7 year old nefew looks up to him. I used to cringe thinking about that, hell, at this rate, I couldnt think of a person that probably would be a good choice, just encourages the notion to be yourself, and just forge your own road. So what, it just shows what some hard work and dedication and get. So is Cena really as bad as people make him out to be? I say hell to the no. I can certainly think of people who are far off worse than Cena. The business is one that puts their talent in front of such picky audience sometimes, and I think its sad that there would be some people who would rather decide to join on a bandwagon mentality and not take the time to find out what one star is all about before making a decision to say he/she is/isnt worthy of the good things that come their way.
StylezClash3:16
2015 King Of The Ring
I actually enjoy John Cena when he's not thrusted into my face as the champion (which is very rare). But his dedication to the company night in and night out inspires me to always be loyal to what I love. He's a great role model to kids. If this were the AE, I don't think he'd be capable of carrying the company on his back with this gimmick. I'm sure he get's freedom in his promos, but his monotonous motivational speeches bore me.
AngryCenaFan
Pre-Show Stalwart
He's not "bad"
Most of the anti-Cena crowd hate his phony gimmick, because that's what it is...PHONY!
He went from an edgy character to some pathetic squeaky clean douche who makes poop jokes.
Wrestling wise.....Cena can have great matches with the right opponents, but he does the same 5 moves 90 percent of the time...it gets old
Most of the anti-Cena crowd hate his phony gimmick, because that's what it is...PHONY!
He went from an edgy character to some pathetic squeaky clean douche who makes poop jokes.
Wrestling wise.....Cena can have great matches with the right opponents, but he does the same 5 moves 90 percent of the time...it gets old
The Mighty Tiger
The Poster Formerly Known as HWR
My bad I most have made it seem like I haven't been watching since John has been sucking which would mean that I haven't watched it in about five years. No I just stop watching raw & smackdown weekly for about 13 months now. If I call up a friend & I go what was the rundown on Raw or smackdown & they give me a play by play of what happen & it is the same old shit then I'm not missing out on anything. I don't ask my friends what did they think of Raw I ask them play by play what happen on Raw, there's a difference.
Futhermore this website which is the only wrestling website I visit have articles on the aftermath of ppv's & these articles explain match by match what happen at these views. So what you tryn to tell me is that my opinion don't hold weight cause these articles on this website is not right, but if that was true then why is it that when I go kick it at my homie crib & watch these views days later there exactly how the article reviewed each match.
When I skip watching Raw or Smackdown then watch a ppv I expect to feel refreshed cause I have took a break from watchin a few of the programs from being brunt out on watching the same old shit. That isn't what happens its the same old tried John Cena matches. If I watch a view & it feels like I'm watchin Raw or Smackdown then I don't have any reason to tune in to a Raw or Smackdown. If i miss something great like when The Rock came back & Cena's responds to The Rock & HHH/Undertakers returns then there's Utube or I can just stop by my homie's house cause he records every Raw.
Lastly what do you define as smartasses who don't know wrestling? I been watching wrestling for a long time so I think I know when the product is stale or not. On top of that my friends that are older than me have been watching even longer so I know for a fact the know wrestling. It just seems like to me you are easy to entertain which is fine I don't have any problems w/ppl that can be entertain be a product writen for 5 to 10 year olds. In you spare time do you also enjoy watching dora the explorer, & Blue Clues.
just playingBigSexy The IndyKiller
Occasional Pre-Show
My son actually likes Blues Clues, thank you. You're right, its my fault buying into the fact that its the same scripted male oriented drama that its been for far longer than I've been alive. I'm wrong for enjoying it. Honestly, I never knew wrestling was so bad until I went onto the internet and saw that others said that this guy sucks, that guys stale, its the same shit all of the time, yada yada yada...
I'm sure Vince is really worried about you opinion of his workhorse as well seeing as how he's losing customers like you while gaining families who will grow to love the product into adulthood... In the meantime, I'll continue to enjoy the product while you can go _________ (you fill in that blank).
P.S.
Only kidding.... like who you like, hate who you hate. What you eat don't make me shit...
I'm sure Vince is really worried about you opinion of his workhorse as well seeing as how he's losing customers like you while gaining families who will grow to love the product into adulthood... In the meantime, I'll continue to enjoy the product while you can go _________ (you fill in that blank).
P.S.
Only kidding.... like who you like, hate who you hate. What you eat don't make me shit...
ThUnDeRpHoEnIx
Proud Team Bring It Member
When he retires he will be top 10 easily
Top 10 WHAT? Most over guys in the wwe cause that's the only top 10 he will be in. It for damn sure want be top 10 greatest of all time if he keeps performing like the way he has been. Just cause he is over doesn't mean he has been good the whole time he has been over.
Sure he has been the face of the company for years now I'll give him a 7/10 for entertainment over these years. Great wrestler? NO!! Okay wrestler? Yes!! Mic Work? Only good when he is able to let loose a little bit just like he did this past Monday elsewise he is 5/10 to 6/10 most days. His passion, & his charity work has nothing to do w/the fact that the man acts like he can't entertain his way out of a paper bag most nights in his matches & on the mic. Just cause he is geared to the young fans doesn't mean he has to bore the hell out of the adult fans.
The Epicness when your sig names 10 wrestlers better then John Cena straight up.
Ah Entertainment.A Thing of beauty.Shame Cena wouldnt know how to entertain if it came and hit him in the face.
And wtf is with ur username?iwc marks dont know shit? then why the fuck are you on here?If your gonna be here then you shut your damn mouth and you know your fucking role.
BigSexy The IndyKiller
Occasional Pre-Show
Reading is fundamental, you Rock wannabe jerk off...
It's iwcSmarksdontknowshit... If you're confused, then you just may fit into that category. Don't worry bout though. Like I said earlier, like who you like. It's none of my business. I just know that I'm smart enough to turn away from the product if it's that bad rather than complain and bitch about this guy sucks, that guy can't wrestle, he's stale, yet you're steady watching....
It's iwcSmarksdontknowshit... If you're confused, then you just may fit into that category. Don't worry bout though. Like I said earlier, like who you like. It's none of my business. I just know that I'm smart enough to turn away from the product if it's that bad rather than complain and bitch about this guy sucks, that guy can't wrestle, he's stale, yet you're steady watching....
Peoples_Champ
Bra & Panties match winner & NEW...
I wasn't a John Cena fan for the longest time. I was intrigued with his rap character, but wasn't a fan of it so much. Saw a couple of his Ohio Valley matches online, I wasn't too impressed. Obviously when he became bigger than Justin Bieber, I was booing him.
But I re-evaluated my stance on him. He sells well. He's a good worker, not the best by any means, but still one of the better workers without a doubt. He gets heat instantly, love him or hate him. It takes a special kind of wrestler to get both kinds of heat and work with it.
I've gradually became a Cena fan. As he lost the title he's become perceived to be beatable and that's a good thing for his character. His feuds with Barrett and Punk, put both of them over as heels.
Cena is not the best wrestler in the history of wrestling, but the kind of angry heat he gets is really baseless. I think it has more to do with everyone being overly critical than anyone having a sincere problem with him or his character.
But I re-evaluated my stance on him. He sells well. He's a good worker, not the best by any means, but still one of the better workers without a doubt. He gets heat instantly, love him or hate him. It takes a special kind of wrestler to get both kinds of heat and work with it.
I've gradually became a Cena fan. As he lost the title he's become perceived to be beatable and that's a good thing for his character. His feuds with Barrett and Punk, put both of them over as heels.
Cena is not the best wrestler in the history of wrestling, but the kind of angry heat he gets is really baseless. I think it has more to do with everyone being overly critical than anyone having a sincere problem with him or his character.
LMAO at some of the comments around here, for example "Oh, he's a nice person", "He always make kids dreams come true", "He works hard", "He's dedicated to the compnay", but you don't know the fact that true fans don't give a **** about what he do outside the ring. People pay money to see some real entertainment. They care about what you do inside the ring. You got to show your hard work INSIDE the ring. So don't tell he don't deserve all that heat because he's a good person, cause I really don't give a damn about john cena the person. That's just the way it is.
let me get this staight, people are ragging on cena for having only 5 moves?
how many moves did the rock have? peoples elbow, rock bottom, spinebuster...?
and stone cold? stunner, mudhole stomping, lou thesz press..?
orotn-rko, stomping, that backbreaker..?
and how come Hogan can take a beating, then just start hulking up and everyone eats it up(hulkamania) but cena takes a beating and still wins and we hate him for it?
Also, santino does the same thing everymatch, hip toss, duck clothesline by doing splits, do the salute headbutt and then the cobra. The crowd loves it everytime and loves santino. But cena doing the same moves and we hate him? ok there.
All wreslters have a moveset-DUMBASSES!
Imo cena represents the PG era so people automaticaly hate him. He puts more butts in the seat then anyone so he has to be focused on his demographic, little kids and women.
It is just 'the cool' thing for IWC marks to do-hate cena. I mean the guy signs thousands of autographs, busts his ass week in and week out, and still gets shitted on. Thats just people sippin haterade.
Cena is an amazing performer and hes average in the ring- he is certainly no chris benoit but he is better then most. now you dont have to love him. but you do have to respect him.
how many moves did the rock have? peoples elbow, rock bottom, spinebuster...?
and stone cold? stunner, mudhole stomping, lou thesz press..?
orotn-rko, stomping, that backbreaker..?
and how come Hogan can take a beating, then just start hulking up and everyone eats it up(hulkamania) but cena takes a beating and still wins and we hate him for it?
Also, santino does the same thing everymatch, hip toss, duck clothesline by doing splits, do the salute headbutt and then the cobra. The crowd loves it everytime and loves santino. But cena doing the same moves and we hate him? ok there.
All wreslters have a moveset-DUMBASSES!
Imo cena represents the PG era so people automaticaly hate him. He puts more butts in the seat then anyone so he has to be focused on his demographic, little kids and women.
It is just 'the cool' thing for IWC marks to do-hate cena. I mean the guy signs thousands of autographs, busts his ass week in and week out, and still gets shitted on. Thats just people sippin haterade.
Cena is an amazing performer and hes average in the ring- he is certainly no chris benoit but he is better then most. now you dont have to love him. but you do have to respect him.
I asked myself almost the same question.
Why do people hate Cena or his "lack of habilities" ? Because those same people won't never say a thing about the Big Show for example whom IMO is not better in his wrestling than John Cena.
I prefer to see a match with Cena than a mach with the Big Show or the Great Khali...
At least, the matches involving Cena are entertaining. We can't say that about the match involving Big Show or The Great Kahli.
But ok, Cena's annoying because he always wins ^^
Why do people hate Cena or his "lack of habilities" ? Because those same people won't never say a thing about the Big Show for example whom IMO is not better in his wrestling than John Cena.
I prefer to see a match with Cena than a mach with the Big Show or the Great Khali...
At least, the matches involving Cena are entertaining. We can't say that about the match involving Big Show or The Great Kahli.
But ok, Cena's annoying because he always wins ^^
The Mighty Tiger
The Poster Formerly Known as HWR
From reading your comment you could'nt have read others comments before you made yours so you should go to page 3 & read RJJ's & my comments on Cena & his moveset & how he performs compared to a couple ppl you mention. Once you do that then comment, cause obviously you just read the title of this post & before reading others comments you just decided to jump on the Cena is not so bad he is PG & thats the only reason why ppl talk about him bandwagon
The Mighty Tiger
The Poster Formerly Known as HWR
Why do ppl hate Cena? Who said they hated this dude? Noone hates him his character just sucks as of the past few years. He is the face of the company but performs like he is a mid carder, not to mention he is really predictable which makes him boring!!! Then you compare his ability to perform in the ring to The Big Show's & The Great Khali!!!!
John Cena can move around the ring way better then these two!!! Noone expects for Show & Khali to put on 4 or 5 star matches, but ppl expect John to, because not only is he the face of the company he really can put on a great match & he can cut great promos, he just hasn't lately.Hollywood E Rock => I just talked about "people hating cena" because most of those people call themselves "Cena haters".
Then I talked about Big Show or Great Khali to show that the fact this people don't like John Cena can't be only about his lack of moves.
Now I understand your point and I agree with it. John Cena should do better as the head of the company. So I guess we have a deal here ! ^^
Then I talked about Big Show or Great Khali to show that the fact this people don't like John Cena can't be only about his lack of moves.
Now I understand your point and I agree with it. John Cena should do better as the head of the company. So I guess we have a deal here ! ^^
Well i didnt know i had to read every single comment before i could comment, ill remember that next time i see a thread with over 100 pages...you fucking dumbass.
anyways you clearly just dont like cena and have no reason. Dont be a hater to fit in with the depressed marks in the IWC. Hes a dam hard worker and deserves respect.
Saying hes predictable or doesnt have enough moves is just ridiculous.
The Mighty Tiger
The Poster Formerly Known as HWR
SMH, well last time I checked If a person is going to jump into a internet discussion wouldn't it make sense to at least read some of the other comments before you comment yourself. Also 100 pages? There's nowhere near that many pages on this topic & even if it was your name says ur a Nerd4life, thought nerds like to read.
Oh & kill all the insults you don't have to say things that are out of the way just to get your point across. See dude that's why I recommanded you to read my other comments cause I don't dislike Cena for no reason, do you think before you type, do you know how stupid it would be of me just to dislike a person for no reason, & why in the hell would I jump on IWC marks bandwagon just to fit in on a internet blog site?
I don't need to fit in on some wrestling website, dont none of these ppl on here know me personally!!! WHAT THE HELL IS YOU TALKING ABOUT!!!!Now see once again you should read others comments before you comment, cause I have never said anything about not having respect for John Cena. I know he is a pretty kool guy outside the ring & he loves the business blah blah blah. Saying hes predictable isn't ridiculous cause he is predictable & if you would have read my over comments you would have known that I don't care about how many moves he uses, cause he isn't the 1st superstar to only use a few moves in his match. I have a issue w/how he performs his matches, but I not going to get into details cause you should have read the other comments before you decide to jump on the Cena is not so bad he is PG & thats the only reason why ppl talk about him bandwagon
I don't find Cena interesting in the ring, but I do find his promos amusing - especially the way he slips crap past the rader. (I'm a bit purple pinwheel Rock, so go ahead and blow me; You're so Must See? More like microscopic, etc...)
The_Reptile_
Pre-Show Stalwart
Yes, but at least when Hogan bounced back from his beatings he made a spectacle of it, what with the whole "Hulking Out" and everything. Cena just... comes back. Nothing. If he did something, then maybe it would be more bearable.