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I don't know how much I can add to this thread since most of you guys have expressed the same opinion I have.

I think it's great for the wrestlers and great for TNA that former WWE wrestlers go to TNA. Having two companies doesn't just give the fans a choice, it also gives wrestlers a choice. It's also good for TNA to have established talent join their show because it provides some WWE viewers a reason to watch the program.

I will add that this topic can get a little heated because - as a WWE fan - I wish all the talent would just stay there. I hate when a guy like Angle or Hardy makes the jump to TNA because that means I don't get to see them wrestling Edge, UT, Cena, etc... However, I can get over it so long as we get to see a real competition between the two companies. That, in the end, is what will be best for the fans of pro wrestling - myself included.
 
It depends really. Am I tired of seeing TNA transforming into a rest home? Yes I am quite frankly. Take Hulk Hogan, Scott Hall, Kevin Nash, Sting, Ric Flair and Eric Bischoff for example. All of these guys either currently have or are going to have prominent on screen roles within TNA. Bischoff I don't really have an issue with as he isn't nor ever has been a wrestler. However, all in all that gives TNA a total of 6 guys that are at least in their 50s that have or are going to have some of the most prominent on screen roles in TNA. I've no interest really in Scott Hall, Kevin Nash, Sting or Flair climbing into the ring because their time has passed. I'm not interested in watching wrestling matches in which the older wrestlers are so far past their prime that it's near impossible for them to work a competitive match. It makes them look bad and it makes the younger guys look bad, especially if it winds up being the younger guys doing the job for them.

As for the likes of Sean Morley, Sean Waltman, Brian Kendrik and Ken Anderson, I don't particularly care about any of them. Maybe something will happen with them in TNA to get me interested but I don't give a shit about any of them at this point.

Jeff Hardy is really the only recent former WWE guy in TNA that I give a crap about. Hardy's stock has never really been higher as a wrestler. The WWE elevated him to legitimate main event status last year, he had some of the best matches of the year and of his career in 2009 and we know he could do well in TNA. It's ironic really that the only one of the former WWE guys to recently appear in TNA hasn't made an appearance since the Jan 4th show. Wouldn't surprise me if he doesn't make an appearance at Genesis tonight.
 
No. I'm not sick of seeing former WCW and WWE talent in TNA. AJ Styles is the best in-ring performer in wrestling today. But no one outside of TNA fans give a shit. With people like Hogan and Flair coming in and giving him rubs, he's getting more exposure. Same with all the other great TNA talent. They're getting exposure from Hogan's presence. And say what you will about Hogan, but since he's got there, the booking's got better. I saw the best mic skills I have ever seen from Styles this past Thursday when he was talking to Bischoff. Bischoff's method of putting the cruisers on first to pump up the crowd showed me what a great team The Young Bucks were. Before Thursday, I didn't give two shits who they were. And most importantly, TNA is becoming more entertaining. Thursday's show reminded me of an edgier version of WCW Nitro, and it was a hell of alot better than Raw. And that's definitely a good thing. Props to TNA for improvement.
 
Are you crazy??? Val is back!! whats not to like about it. I think its great to see familiar faces, but you have a good point it would be a good idea if they got some fresh talent from other promotions...only problem is..are there any? probably not....
 
I can watch TNA all day! love the former talent of the wwe. i like the young and the old of wrestling but ive been a fan since i was like 6 of wrestling. TNA has what the WWE dont have thats the older talent i enjoyed watching as a kid and they never get old!! Seeing sting still is amazing. love everything about TNA!
 
I think TNA, should go ahead and change their name to HOGAN KNOWS HOW TO KILL A COMPANY BEST! C'mon Dixie either wake up or do us all a favor and SHUT THE COMPANY DOWN!!!! Can anyone see that just like WCW they will pull all these names in and do well for a lil while then not know how to keep it going and will eventually shut down! Whose idea was it to bring in the Nasty Boys there were awful when Saggs was reffing in the AWA, and progressively got worse in their so called prime!!
 
I think its a great idea to have former wcw/wwe talents in tna. It gives the brand exposure independent circuit wrestlers can't give them bc of the familiarity people have with them. Many of them are NOT rejects, but were merely employed by a competitor. Many of them were tremendous talents that were underutilized (Tara, Sean Morley, Shannon Moore) while some want a lighter schedule (Kurt Angle, Jeff Hardy). A lot of these so-called "rejects" are some of the best in the world, or at some point, were. They nor tna should be condemned for their presence in the company. Exposure to the tna brand is what its all about right now, folks, and in that aspect in the very least, they are making wise choices, with the notable excpetions of hall and waltman.
 
The problem here is either u are super pro WWE or u were disappointed with what WCW did therefore are afraid the same will happen. If its the first pull ur head out of the clouds and think of this as a business move. If its the later thats an understandable fear, however most of the talent I dont disagree with (with the exception of the nasty boyz). Everybody knows hall and waltman arent intended to be long term. That being said they are there for the soul purpose of nastalgia. As for the Nasty Boys well they are dissappointing, most younger fans have never heard of Jerry Saggs and only know of Brian Knobbs from watching Hogan/Brooke Knows Best. Orlando Jordan I never see as being a top player but he could be a solid mid-carder. Jeff is a huge catch, which is undeniable. Morley idk I enjoyed him as a mid carder in WWE/F but was much younger and didnt really understand the business to the extent that I do toda. Either way he could be a solid mid-carder I believe. Kennedy is a great catch as well. If it wasnt for bad luck and rubbin a few ppl the wrong way and unfortunate injuries he would likely be in CM Punks position right now. Kendrick, very talented and I have been a fan of him since before they called him Spankeym but we all know the WWE is very bad about not pushing the cruiserweights. TNA is better about pushing their smaller guys so this was a great career move for him
 
I agree, Hogan is fucking everything up.
I seriously hope 2 things happen now.

1: Kurt beats the living hell out of Flair for screwing him, he has it coming.

2: Jarrett takes his company back, and if need be kick Hogan's old wrinkly ass out of the wrestling business.

sorry folks my respect for Hogan went down the drain when he started messing around with his personal life w/his daughter and all that crap...and she aint even that hott btw. writing a cheesy book and going on a few talk shows apparently for some reason seems to make everything he did ok, and i never bought it. wake up people, Hogan is a phony.

I wonder if anyone knows how long Hogan's supposed "partnership" w/ Dixie is supposed to last, I'll be glad when he leaves if he doesnt kill the company by then that is.
 
thank you hogan for making the wrestling biss. what it is tody there would be no wrestling without you brother you are the greatest i really enjoyed your book i read it three times not because it is a new york times best seller which it is but because it is great thank you for making tna a good company and making it worth watching you deserve all the thinks for that
 
For me, I'm ok with TNA signing guys from the WWE BUT as long as they can bring something to the table. Guys like Ken Anderson is good because he always had potential as a main event guy.

But of all people...guys like Orlando Jordan and The Nasty Boys? C'mon. Orlando Jordan was greener than a dollar bill in the WWE and always will be greener than a dollar bill. His personality and mic skills are HO-RRI-BLE. Explain to me what he brings to the table?

The Nasty Boys....

Need I say more?

My point is TNA should only hire former WWE talent IF ONLY they can wrestle and bring something to the table.
 
TNA bring in guys like Shannon Moore, Jeff Hardy, Ken Anderson etc doesn't bother me. Bringing in a cracked up Hall, Waltman, and for the love of christ the fuckin Nasty Boys is beyond stupid. That's a poster for Night of the Wastes of Money ppv. I think it would have been great to bring them in for a show, have that reunion pop then Hogan, Nash, and Bishoff kick em out the back door.
TNA should bring in young talent. The battered n brusied has beens they can do without.
 
I think it's unfair that people are making this argument basically a company vs. company argument. It is possible to make an argument without taking a side per se. What i mean is simple.

Part of the wrestling business is about returns and recognizing faces and such. That started with Ric Flair appearing on WWF TV in the early 90s as "the real world champion". Shocking moments often improve the quality of a show. However, a trend that is developing since Hogoff (the combined title of Bischoff and Hogan since they share a brain) came to TNA is using returns and "shocks" for the sake of shocks. If there is absolutely no purpose for it, it's just putting a face out there. Take Jeff Hardy. The dude was HUGE in WWE and had a ridiculous fan following. He was used to attack a guy after a meaningless match and hasn't been seen since. I'm not saying it's plausible to put him on a PPV with very little storyline, but generally, it makes sense to explain why it is you returned to Impact for the first time in years and attacked a guy who wasn't even there when you left. And you probably would want to do this before people forget that it happened, so the next show would be best. Now, that opportunity is gone. So problem one is producing "shock tv" with seemingly no direction.

The second issue is Hogan being completely and utterly full of shit. This is a guy who has gone on radio and done interviews saying he sees young talent and hopes to help those guys. The statement sounds great, but then how do you explain Sean Morley going over Chris Daniels? I understand bringing in former MAIN EVENTERS to put over future ones, but Morley was never more than a midcarder and his peak was TEN YEARS AGO!!! I'm not downing his talent, but his star power is not very high. There is another issue with him but I'll get to that later. The point here is, you just put a minimal star over one of the original stars and biggest original names you have, and you put him over clean. I know it's possible that Daniels will return the favor but at this point in time, he seems like a very poor decision. I mean, if they plan on pushing Morley, great, but does anyone really think he will draw?

Issue 3 is teleivision time. TNA currently has 2 new hours of television each week. For a pretty large roster, that is not a ton of time and certainly not enough time to incorporate everyone. The issue here is that the last 2 tvs have had a lot of TV time revolved around new guys, whether important or not, while potential stars like Eric Young have been pushed to the backburner. I'm not one to understand how someone IN the business judges talent, but I do think it's a shame when a company puts all their stock in 2 men to fix their product and one thing they do is completely leave off some intriguing names from TV and PPV. Also, I would appreciate if the older talent was there to feud on TV and PPV with young talent, but when you put the Nasty Boys and 3D together in a feud for "fattest 40 something no talents", you're not doing anyone any favors, especially not young talent who could use the TV time. By the way, what happened to the World Elite?

Issue 4 is living in the past. Again, it's one thing to bring in talent with name value, but it's another to reprise 90s gimmicks and think they will work again. Here's where the "wait til later" part comes in. Sean Morley is reprising his original Val Venis gimmick, "the band" is a piss poor recreation of the NwO with no actual direction, Mr. Anderson is doing his Kennedy schbiel (which if Vince trademarked his gimmick, he might get sued for), etc. It comes off to me like Hogoff's plan was to recreate the 90s by actually pretending it's still the 90s. Unfortunately, there is only so far nostalgia can take you before you realize that something like "the band" is no longer a cool bunch of rebels, but an old bunch of drunks. I think this is where you start to realize that Bischoff is and was overrated as a wrestling mind. He cannot let go of his one idea that worked and come up with something new.

The conclusion here is that it's not so much being sick of former talent, but being sick of SO MUCH new talent in such a short period of time. Also, in regards to the total roster, almost half has debuted in the last couple of weeks. There's really not too much more you can do to keep the product interesting if you keep relying on "shock" tv in the form of simply bringing back old faces. It has a finite ending because there's only so many faces that any fans will care about. The thing that gets me the most though is that TNA marks are backing up this move even though for years they talked about how cool TNA was to have great matches with their originals. You can't have it both ways. Either you prefer TNA as a fast paced, undersized wrestling promotion focused on lesser named talents, or you like WCW part 2. You can't have it both ways and if you are supporting this new way and knocking WWE for the same things, you are being unreasonable. I think the answer lies somewhere in the middle. For TNA to right the ship and actually utilize this influx, a bunch or writers need to meet and come up with stories for wrestlers and utilize everyone to their full potential or close to it. The old guys need to minimize their stay and hopefully put over some people and the ones who can hack it can compete. I dont' have all the answers, but I do know that TNA right now is overkill and a clusterfuck with little direction. That comes from way too many debuts and returns, and the only solution it to hopefully see it worked out over time to create a product that makes a little bit of sense.
 
i beilive some being brought in like Kennedy, Hardy, Flair and Kendrick are good but others like Val Venis and Orlando Jordan and Shannon Moore are just overkill they dont need those guys what have they ever accomplished except being a fake pornstar a lackey and a little useless fuck and they cant contribute to anything or anyone and are just worthless they should be bringing in guys like Austin Aries and Colt Cabana and the Briscoes now theirs some real talent.
 
Austin Aries for the Win! but TNA really does need to get rid of Hogan Bischoff and
the Band and focus on the originals. speaking of originals i actually miss guys like the diamonds in the rough, the naturals, michael shane and Petey Williams those are guys who will get a pop from the fans. if Jarett work ripped the company in two and had the washed has beens led by Hogan facing Jarett and the Originals trying to take their company back that might be good. or Jeff could just found a new company and have aj and the x division jump ship and go back to the asylum that would rule :)
 
I think it's funny that people bitch and moan about TNA signing guys who have been in the WWE and got released or quit. Why? Because they are usually the guys who are the best promo guys (Dinero) or still have better in ring ability than most of their current roster (in Christian's case) and want to be seen and be a star? Yes let's get a company and fill it with indie guys that a fraction of wrestling audiences know of, seems to be working well for ROH and PWG (one of which has a show on a station maybe 15 percent of wrestling fans have and one survives on DVD sales). That's what TNA would be like if they didnt sign WWE guys.
 
im cool with guys like pope and christian(actually my 2 favourites) i just hate Hogan and the NWO they're old stale and boring plus that gimmick has been run into the ground so bad its not funny i thought vince proved at No Way Out '02 that no one gave a shit about an NWO reunion.
 
What former talent? I hadn't noticed. I guess Sean Morley looks a bit like Val Venis if you think about it, and I suppose Brian Kendrick and "The" Brian Kendrick sort of have the same nose if you look from the side.

I'm not bothered by the signings. If TNA think it'll help them, more power to them. WWE and ROH aren't using them, so why not sign them up? They have name recognition and fans get a nice nostalgia trip. Sure they more than likely won't be worth a shit outside of Hardy perhaps, but I have no problem with it.

I watch WWE more really.
 
I can tell you what I am sick of. Lack of respect. Yeah, guys like Hall and Waltman are fuck ups now, and have been for a long time. Hogan is a dick and a lot guys dind't like Nash in his prime because he had a lot of pull backstage. Bischoff was disliked by a lot of people as well. But it amazes me when people (mostly people who didn't even watch wrestling when these guys were around) think that these guys should be just forgotten and done away with. Screw that. Have a little respect for the guys who built this business. If it weren't for Hall and Nash, WCW would have never gotten past WWE. If TNA wants to get to the level of WWE, they need to bring in familiar faces. Like it or not, these guys are still somewhat relevant (ok, the Nasty boys aren't). Plus, I don't see Hall or Waltman looking to hold the strap, so what is the problem? They are coming in to help put the company over (and line their pockets, of course). TNA had some big names already, like Angle, Styles, Sting, Lashley, Foley, etc. But they needed to get over that hump. With guys like Kennedy, Hall, Waltman, Hardy, and whoever else decides to show up, they are closer to doing that. And then, someday down the line, when these "rejects" are ready to retire, the new guys will have a grand stage to wrestle on, not a side show on Spike TV that wasn't in the same universe as WWE. Competition among companies ALWAYS makes wrestling better, and that does not come purely from in ring talent.
 
Honestly, I’m not sick of seeing former talent in TNA. I’m just sick of seeing some former talent in TNA.

I don’t mind that TNA is hiring guys like Jeff Hardy and others I won’t mention since it might spoil the Genesis pay per view for those of you who haven’t seen it. Those guys are young and could turn out to be good assets to TNA. So I’m not sick of seeing them get hired at all since they can still be very entertaining and perform very well. As long as they can still go in the ring and have good matches, I don’t mind them being in TNA.

However, admittedly there are some signings that do make me sick. TNA, do you really need the Nasty Boys? The answer should be no. I mean, can these guys even have passable matches anymore (that’s assuming they could at some point)? I don’t know. But what I do know is that TNA isn’t really benefiting from signing them and a few others. TNA doesn’t need most of the old guys they are hiring, they just want them for some unknown reason.

I know someone is going to come in here and say (if it hasn’t been said yet), but SavageTaker, they need these older guys so that people can recognize TNA and so that they can put over the younger wrestlers. Normally, I’d agree. But I don’t this time. The least they could do is hire older wrestlers that can still have decent matches and that people still like to watch.

So overall, I’m not sick of them hiring former talent, I’m just sick of them hiring some former talent. They need to choose who they are bring in the company carefully because it might turn some fans away if all they see is a bunch of 80yr olds running around the Impact Zone.
 
I have no problem with TNA bringing in established WWE wrestlers that can add something to the program. I think Brian Kendrick is a great pick up for them and Mr. Ke... Uh, I mean Anderson, is a huge star in wrestling, who just had a couple of bad breaks with injury. As long as they can bring something to the table, I am fine with it.

The problem is that the TNA roster is becoming way too bloated for a 2 hour weekly program. This is highlighted by the fact that Samoa Joe, one of the biggest draws in the company, was completely left off of last night's PPV. And honestly, I don't think another show would work creatively for TNA, not now at least. I think it's about time they do some house cleaning on their roster.

Now I know everyone is going to jump on all of the recent acquisitions, but lets really analyze them. I think Kendrick and Anderson have a huge upside. I really do think that Scott Hall and Xpac are going to be on a short term deal, so we will see where that leads. I think Waltman can still work, not sure if Hall can. I've seen a lot of people on this board call Orlando Jordan green. I think his only problem in WWE was that he lacked character. He has been on the indy scene for a few years now and I am at least interested to see what he can do. Jeff Hardy is obviously a HUGE pick up in the fact that he was a top draw for WWE in 2009. You got to know he is going to attract at least some fan base from WWE when he gets his wheels spinning in TNA. That is, if he does, have to see how those legal problems pan out. The Nasty's haven't been relevant in 15 years, and unless they can still work, they have no business in TNA. But for some reason, I see this being a short term deal with them as well. Sean Morley is a great talent, but he really should be used to elevate the up and coming stars. His days of being a star are long behind him. The Young Bucks on the other hand are amazing to watch and should be molded over the next few years to take that talent and learn to apply it to a story in the ring.

Now the list I just mentioned just names the newcomers to TNA. But when you have a talent roster that dwarfs Raw or Smackdown in sheer size, but you produce the same amount of tv time, there are just too many people involved. This is a problem because to get talent over and have relevant story arcs, you have to be able to see the same people every week. My suggestion, as I said before, really take a look at your roster and see who has had enough time to try and get over and have not.

Lashley is a great talent, but he never drew any money over at WWE and with his MMA career truly picking up, his days in TNA are numbered. As much as I love Dr. Stevie, it seems his character was a one trick pony and unless they plan on doing something dramatically different with him, he doesn't have anything to bring to the table. Kyoshi has also had a tremendous amount of time to try and develop something, but nothing ever came of him. I think a streamlined World Elite would be a good thing without him.

I could go on about a couple of other guys, but you get my point. I think bringing former WWE talent to TNA is a good thing as long as they have something to bring to the table. But when you bring new guys in, you have to make room for them. Just compiling talent and not giving them the time to perform and grow is detrimental to the company's overall success.
 
Austin Aries for the Win! but TNA really does need to get rid of Hogan Bischoff and
the Band and focus on the originals.

so far they seem to be focusing on the orginals, they have brought these ppl in and put them in fueds with TNA originals. they are using the old school guys to build the new guys, its necessary u cant make the next big thing with out the old big thing passing the torch.
 
If you're going to point the finger at TNA for hiring too many former WWE employees, than please tell me why you're not making the same argument against the WWE. Stone Cold, triple H, Undertaker, Diesel, Shawn Michaels, Chris Jericho, Rey Mysterio, CM Punk, and a whole slew of others came from companies like WCW, AWA, and ECW, and no one ever complained.

Obviously, I have no problem with TNA signing outside guys. It's an easy way to build the roster, and it gives you guys that you know will work, in some capacity.
 
If you're going to point the finger at TNA for hiring too many former WWE employees, than please tell me why you're not making the same argument against the WWE. Stone Cold, triple H, Undertaker, Diesel, Shawn Michaels, Chris Jericho, Rey Mysterio, CM Punk, and a whole slew of others came from companies like WCW, AWA, and ECW, and no one ever complained.

Obviously, I have no problem with TNA signing outside guys. It's an easy way to build the roster, and it gives you guys that you know will work, in some capacity.

couldnt have said it better myself, WWE has been infamous for signing other company cast-offs, Stone Cold was Stunning Steve and got fired from WCW over the phone because they didnt have enough respect for him to do it to his face. he goes to WWE and became a big star, Undertaker was Mean mark in WCW, Kevin Nash was Oz in WCW and went to WWE and became big as deisel, Jericho is a WCW reject, The Big Show is a WCW reject, HHH is a WCW reject, ur right I wont watch WWE anymore cause Im sick of seeing former talent ;)
 
:i dont like bishof your right the old guys were good along time ago they should leave it that way:l
 
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