wwe destroying former TNA talent

[asanders93]

cage and Gail Kim are recently a part of vince's "real kiss my ass club". think about is, cage is ecw's cena, although he should be more. think about how cage dominated and had a badass attitdude. watch the last TNA show he was in, he went down a badass. now hes smileing and barealy on the mike. and gail is now far from number one, she went from a place that has a good rep. about their womens devion, to the diva "omg wheres my makeup, PILLOW FIGHT!!!" devion. dont tell me she can beat up a 250 plus pound monster, but now shes a diva, how she can be scared of umaga .wwe can TRY to make her seem domminet, for the first few months, but will end up as eyecandy, the faith of all divas who dont pleases creative in the future.
Their debut could have been awlsome. but we got cage on ecw and gail bearaly noticeable. vince could have said i respect your secess, insteed, he says how dare u leave me. give some respect, at least some.
and who's to say to any former tna talent who were never on wwe. one answer, Brandon Walker. wat do you think? ( i no r-truth, but so far i have yet to see that push)

 

[Derf]

Umm, Ok. First off, it's Christian now, not Cage, and we all have to get used to it. And for just debuting back in the WWE a few months ago, I think he's doing good to be main eventing in ECW, as opposed to getting lost in the midcard of Smackdown or RAW. Gail Kim is doing great for herself, I don't see what your watching. And Branden Walker... Well, thats where your title got my attention. Yeah, the WWE is making former TNA talents look weaker, but thats not their goal.

WWE enjoys having it's own superstars on their shows. They won't take someone and use their past gimmick as a way to get them over like TNA does. Brandon Walker sucked, thats why he failed. R-Truth might not be pushed as a former world champion, but he's doing great for being in the WWE now. Just because these people ain't being pushed to the ME right away, don't mean their treated like crap. I'd rather be in the midcard of WWE then main eventing a place half of North America hasn't even heard of.

 

[bluejt16]

how is putting christian in wrestlemania after about 2 months since his return destroying him? not all returning superstars can be put straight back on top. and as for gail kim, i don't like her 1 bit so im not gonna bother talking about her lol

 

[Scott Free]

First of all, I would not label Christian Cage and Gail Kim as TNA talent, they both were WWE employees before they joined TNA. As far as R-Truth and Brendan Walker, well, Ron Killings isn't faring all that bad, they are slowly building him up, Walker is another story, he never got a shot to begin with, one might wonder why they even bothered to take him away from TNA in the first place. Christian is being brought back into the top midcard slowly and Gail Kim is already feuding with Maryse, so I wouldn't call it being destroyed. You have to realize that the WWE has a long tradition of making talent from competitors look bad when they first came in, because they want to project their brand as superior, one look at Booker T's early run in the WWE will confirm this, so I am kind of surprised to see R-Truth not being turned into a jobber, glad it didn't happen though.

 

[bulldog76]

Numerous people (some former wrestlers) have noted that Braden Walker looked like he was in horrible shape. When you start a new job, you look good, work hard, and keep your mouth shut. I don't care if it's wrestling or if it's McDonalds. Showing up to an athletic show looking like crap isn't going to earn you anything.

Vince could be testing the waters to see if there is any real value to Christian and what it is. If fans wont buy him on ECW, why would they buy him on RAW or SamckDown? I don't think Vince is completely against Christian. Otherwise, why waste the money? TNA wasn't doing much with him so why worry about him? Im not saying that is the case but a possibility.

You don't want to take a competitor's player (especially if he isn't coming out of the main-event picture) and start feeding half of your roster to him. TNA did that and Styles, Daniels, Killings, Monte Brown ended up looking very weak to the WWE roster. WWE mid-carders and cast-offs came in and dominated TNA (Rhino and Cage along with Angle and Sting pushing several guys down). I fully understand why TNA did it. Get recognizable names and make them happy and take care of them. But burying your own guys doesn't make you look good. You look second rate.

 

[Doctor_What]

Jeff Hardy went to TNA and back and its done him no harm. Christian was never a Vince faverouite and still isnt. Gail will be ok but since the womens division sucks anyway I cant see her making much difference.

 

[Deexter Jorgan]

cage and Gail Kim are recently a part of vince's "real kiss my ass club". think about is, cage is ecw's cena, although he should be more. think about how cage dominated and had a badass attitdude. watch the last TNA show he was in, he went down a badass. now hes smileing and barealy on the mike.

His first day back he made swagger look like a fool, he has had plenty of mic time, Christian is doing great for someone who has just come back to the WWE, he is in a far better position then Brandon (I look fat so they had to put me in a singlet) Walker, the guy was lazy, fat and should be ashamed for showing up for work in the condition he was in, im glad hes gone

and gail is now far from number one, she went from a place that has a good rep. about their womens devion, to the diva "omg wheres my makeup, PILLOW FIGHT!!!" devion. dont tell me she can beat up a 250 plus pound monster, but now shes a diva, how she can be scared of umaga .

Didn't she beat the snot out of Michelle Mccool and Maryse (the Divas Champion) and pinned Mccool clean in the last two weeks, and also got the mania payoff, yeah if thats Vince being cruel I would love to see him in a good mood, maybe youd be satisfied if he gave gail the WWE championship.

wwe can TRY to make her seem domminet, for the first few months, but will end up as eyecandy, the faith of all divas who dont pleases creative in the future.
Their debut could have been awlsome. but we got cage on ecw and gail bearaly noticeable. vince could have said i respect your secess, insteed, he says how dare u leave me. give some respect, at least some.
and who's to say to any former tna talent who were never on wwe.

Im sorry Tna is the best place for these people where they barely get TV time over guys like Angle, Sting, Stina and Kevin (Does this look infected) Nash, yeah they are really in a bad place.... and as for brandon walker... please the guy made the Brooklyn Brawler look like an Ariel specialist!!!

 

[Poop Master Flex]

This is not the first time WWE has buried top talent from other companies this has been going on for almost 20 years.

I think Vince has a thing about top wrestlers being "His" creation (like Hogan, Austin, and the Rock) and while had EVERY reason to push guys like the freebirds and dusty (because they were better than most of his talent at the time. The Freebirds were better than every WWF tag team when they initially arrived) he didn't because Vince couldnt say something like "I MADE DUSTY RHODES" because dusty was huge (no pun intended) long before he was ever in the WWE.

So at the end of the day it's one of 2 thing's; either vince holds a grudge against all big name talent from other promotions (highly doubt it because business always comes first), or Vince cannot see that persons talent (like Christian Cage, he's better than about 95% of the current roster and Vince thinks a guy like Jack Swagger is more marketable).

It's sad because alot of awesome talent get's wasted in the WWE because they don't have "THE LOOK". Perhaps someone should tell them that talent, skill and charisma means more in wrestling then having a lockerroom full of Chippendales dancers that have the look.

 

[Thriller Ant]

I am getting so tired of people complaining about Christian. Yes, we are all happy he's back. Yes, we are all glad to see he's still "got it" after going to TNA, which to many WWE fans is the equivalent of falling off the face of the earth. However, none of this gives him the right to be a major champion. Where was he on the card when he left? Upper midcarder/borderline main-eventer. Where is he at now, 3 years later when he returns? THE EXACT SAME SPOT!

Now, can someone please explain to me why everyone feels that this is such a travesty? I am a big fan of Christian, but he has been back for a little over 2 months. I'd say for someone who debuted/re-debuted that short of a time ago, he's doing pretty well for himself. He was in Wrestlemania, currently is feuding for what I consider to be the highest midcard title, and is putting on great matches. If he continues like this, I'm sure he will move to one of the "better" shows and maybe move in as a main-event player. But as for right now, he is in a great position in the company, and there is no reason for him or anyone else to bitch about it.

 

[Garbage Man]

Although he didn't really make a name for himself in TNA, Evan Bourne (Matt Sydal) is doing pretty good for himself in the WWE.

 

[Flava Flav's PMing Bitch]

First of all, I would not label Christian Cage and Gail Kim as TNA talent, they both were WWE employees before they joined TNA. As far as R-Truth and Brendan Walker, well, Ron Killings isn't faring all that bad,

Why would you put R-Truth as a TNA talent, if I remember correctly Truth was in WWE before his run in TNA.

 

[rnzrkorip]

i think the guy who started this thread was drunk or something. the wwe isn't doing anything wrong with any of the tna talent. r-truth, christian, gail kim, evan bourne are all doing alright even though most of them are former wwe talent to begin with, and i believe everyone has forgotten someone. what about cm punk? oh ya, wwe must really hate that guy.

 

[hArdyPUNKmArk]

Don't know what you're on mate but Walker is the only one you could say got screwed, but not be the WWE but by himself, the guy looked like a slob and didnt connect with the crowd/audiance.

Christian is in a sweet spot, you cant expect him to get a WWE or WHC shot straight away, he's been given a chance to hold up ECW and see how he goes, hopefully he'll have his shot at the big ones in time, but right now he's in a decent spot.

Gail Kim has made a big impact the last 2 weeks, are you serious!? It looks to me like she's getting pushed towards womens champion tbh.

CM Punk is certainly doing well... Biggest year last year and he came from TNA.

Evan Bourne, granted didnt have much TNA tv time but he's getting more and more popular and pushes every week.

R-Truth had so many promos leading up to his debut. No he hasnt had a major push yet but he's a crowd favourite and i'd say he's pretty comfortable in the mid card right now.

I think you need to seriously think about it, considering they came from another company or competitor WWE has handled them pretty well.

 

[Agent-67]

I don't think some of you realize what the was met by the question. WWE does have problems elevating guys that were not created by the WWE. They might get big with WWE but a lot of the time they are not as big as they were in the rival promotion. Examples: Big Show-This guy is a jobber in the WWE. He arrives and loses to Stone Cold the next night on Raw, cleanly I might add. He got the title once! This guy had clean wins over Hulk Hogan, Kevin Nash, Randy Savage, Jeff Jarrett, Ric Flair, etc. in WCW. Even without title reigns in WCW he still beat guys. Scott Steiner was booked vs HHH is his first feud as a WWE single wrestler. He had great heat and promos as Big Poppa Pump. He never was given a decent angle after. Booker T-This guy was a WCW's GUY as they were bought out. How many world titles did he have in WWE again? Oh yea none. Dont even say he didnt deserve a shot, when CM Punk got one. Ron Simmons, Vader, Lex Luger(even though I think he sucks). All World Champs in WCW. R Truth & Christian were world champs in TNA. I think that merrits a little more than jobbing on smackdown or being on ecw.

 

[BIGJUICYNIPPLES]

wwe detroying former tna talent is complete crap, first of tna isnt even 1/5 of a show like wwe is so a top player from tna shud not get a big push in wwe, and claiming that christian is more talented then 95% of the current roster is complete bullshit, jack swagger is young has a great look has charisma and is a great talent in the ring, having christian main event over people like cena and tripple h (even tho i hate them) would be the dumbest decision ever, most wwe fans remember christian as a cocky guy who thinks the fans like him, not as some SUPERSTAR/MAIN EVENTER, so christian being put into the top face position on ecw is great for him,

and how is gail kim getting burried by beeting the top divas on smackdown????????? ya ok, what we should do is have her go over michelle MCcool and then that same night go over umaga in an extreme rules match.... no she beatup maryse, whos the wwe divas champ so she is actully getting a big push.

and if soemone as pethetic as brayden walker even gets a job on ecw that makes me sad, no charisma no in ring skills and fat, he shouldent of gotten a chance because he clearly didnt deserve one

 

[BIGJUICYNIPPLES]

Booker T-This guy was a WCW's GUY as they were bought out. How many world titles did he have in WWE again? Oh yeah none. Dont even say he didnt deserve a shot. R Truth & Christian were world champs in TNA. I think that merrits a little more than jobbing on smackdown or being on ecw.

ok............ you just completly failed my good friend booker t won the world championship in 2006, and from what ive heard booker t was an asshole in the back,

and r-truth isnt jobbing he has won many matches alredy, christian should be on ecw because he is not ready to be main eventing smackdown or raw

 

[RatedRSE]

Examples: Big Show-This guy is a jobber in the WWE. He arrives and loses to Stone Cold the next night on Raw, cleanly I might add. He got the title once! This guy had clean wins over Hulk Hogan, Kevin Nash, Randy Savage, Jeff Jarrett, Ric Flair, etc. in WCW. Even without title reigns in WCW he still beat guys.

What are you talking about? Big Show has been a multiple time Champion in WWE holding not only the WWE championship on several occasions, but also the ECW championship as well after the re-launch. He beat guys like Brock Lesnar and RVD to win these titles as well.

Booker T-This guy was a WCW's GUY as they were bought out. How many world titles did he have in WWE again? Oh yea none. Dont even say he didnt deserve a shot, when CM Punk got one.

Booker T, I will admit was made to look somewhat weak after his initial debut during the weak Invasion Angle back in 2001. However, since then went on to hold the World Heavyweight Championship for a pretty decent length of time in 2006-2007 after he won the King of the Ring tournament and took on the "King Booker" gimmick on Smackdown. He had a pretty decent feud with Rey Mysterio and Batista.

Not to mention the fact that at Survivor Series that year he was in the Triple Threat Champion of Champions match where he went over not only the Big Show, but actually pinned John Cena to be named the "Champion of Champions" (granted this was tainted with some interference by K-Fed)

I'd say that shows WWE had quite a bit of faith in both of these guys. They were far from full-time jobbers.

 

[hArdyPUNKmArk]

I don't think some of you realize what the was met by the question. WWE does have problems elevating guys that were not created by the WWE. They might get big with WWE but a lot of the time they are not as big as they were in the rival promotion.

This is because no other promotion is even up to WWE's knee mate. How can you say a main eventer in TNA or ROH should get main event status in the WWE. Seriously, they need to work their way to the top.

Big Show-This guy is a jobber in the WWE.

Yeah, a jobber just main evented Wrestlemania and has won numerous titles and involved in a fair few fueds....

Booker T-This guy was a WCW's GUY as they were bought out. How many world titles did he have in WWE again? Oh yea none.

Umm, i think Booker T had a pretty good run with WWE. He didnt take Cena or Triple H's spot at the top coz he wasnt good enough. He had a world title run in 2006, was king of the ring and was involved in a lot of storylines. He is a Triple Crown champion and a Grand Slam champion as well, Booker had a great run with WWE!

Ron Simmons, Vader, Lex Luger(even though I think he sucks). All World Champs in WCW. R Truth & Christian were world champs in TNA. I think that merrits a little more than jobbing on smackdown or being on ecw.

Again, those promotions don't level up with WWE. And R Truth and Christian are hardly jobbers. R Truth, granted, is getting less time on TV at the moment but he had a great debut, US title shot, slammy winner and has gotten pretty over. Christian jobbing, um ECW title shot, MITB hell he is going to be running ECW within a month or 2 and then he'll go to RAW or Smackdown after that, Christian is in a perfect position right now.

 

[Scott Free]

Why would you put R-Truth as a TNA talent, if I remember correctly Truth was in WWE before his run in TNA.

I missed about 2 years of WWE programming, either that or I didn't notice him in the WWE. If you want to get technical, AJ Styles and Samoa Joe also worked for the WWE before, directly and indirectly, yet they made a name for themselves in TNA, same for R-Truth.

 

[maar130]

Well all in all is not that simple, First of all because most of them were there before.

The case of Walker is different because he also had bad luck on that, today you can see a bunch of WWE talent that comes from their trainning camp also fail, like Kizarny or a lot of ECW things now lost in the past.

Gail Kim is being build to be a great contender for Women´s championship. Now unfortunately the Division has no credibility but they will need to work on that, she is getting pushed nevertheless.

Christian is now a contender for the ECW title and probably will get a run and a bigger feud, Even with Rumors of Vince not liking him he is getter better treatment than other people.

R-Truth eventually will go to a better status but he is no jobber by any means now, and He was a good period of time there as K-Kwik on Main event TV as partner of the Roar Dog.

 

[KillBill]

Umm, i think Booker T had a pretty good run with WWE. He didnt take Cena or Triple H's spot at the top coz he wasnt good enough. He had a world title run in 2006, was king of the ring and was involved in a lot of storylines. He is a Triple Crown champion and a Grand Slam champion as well, Booker had a great run with WWE!

He wasn't good enough? He deserved the title when he faced HHH at Wrestlemania and everybody knew it, he was so over.

But Yeah, none of these guys are getting buried, but they could be doing better with R-Truth, he needs to win some more matches. Christian and Gail are fine. The TNA guys who werent done much with were Walker and Kash, although he did win the cruiserweight title.

Monty Brown is one thats still up in the air, but if he comes back we will see. And what about MVP? He jobbed in TNA before coming to WWE and he did ok.

 

[kingdirrtysouth1]

He wasn't good enough? He deserved the title when he faced HHH at Wrestlemania and everybody knew it, he was so over.

But Yeah, none of these guys are getting buried, but they could be doing better with R-Truth, he needs to win some more matches. Christian and Gail are fine. The TNA guys who werent done much with were Walker and Kash, although he did win the cruiserweight title.

Monty Brown is one thats still up in the air, but if he comes back we will see. And what about MVP? He jobbed in TNA before coming to WWE and he did ok.

I agree, especially about Booker T. He should have beaten Triple H! The pissed on Walker and Kaz got out of dodge quick! The WCW guys got buried, the TNA guys are doing ok!