International Region, Third Round, Embarrassment match: (3) Triple H vs. (11) Batista

[Tastycles]

This is a third round match in the International Region. It will be a street fight. It will be held at the Tokyo Dome in Tokyo, Japan.

Rules: The wrestler must use his opponents' finisher to win. Triple H must deliver the Batista Bomb, Batista must deliver a Pedigree.

#3. Triple H

Vs.

#11. Batista

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This match takes place 1 week after round 2.

Polls will be open for four days following a one day period for discussion. Voting will be based on who you feel is the greater of the two competitors. Post your reasons for why your pick should win below. Remember that this is non-spam and the most votes in the poll win. Any ties will be broken by the amount of posts of support for each candidate, with one vote per poster.

Also remember that this is a non-spam forum. If you post a response without giving a reason for your selection, it will be penalized for spam and deleted.

 

[shattered dreams]

I saw embarrassment match and thought Batista is done but I actually think this favors him. In a WWE ring Batista isn't going to get to embarrass HHH. However, this is an international match at an international destination. Batista's international popularity rivaled, if not exceeded, even John Cena's. In their primes Batista is actually probably the larger international star. Furthermore, the pedigree is a fairly easy move to do while I don't think HHH can hit a power bomb that well on someone like Batista. It is going to be much easier for Batista to put HHH away and that is what will win the match for him.

 

[George Steele's Barber]

No way HHH loses. Too much at stake here. The Japanese can't risk jobbing out the son-in-law of a possible US senator. Imagine the damage that might do to the earthquake relief and nuclear clean up. Toyota might as well go out of business when Linda makes a bigger deal out of a recall than needs to be made.

Throw on top of that Batista being Phillipino and the Japanese prime minister might as well give the country away if he is booked to win.

Plus Batista could never pull off a Pedigree. Having another person's head so close to his junk would just lead to him having porn flashbacks.

All important factors point to a HHH victory.

 

[Johnny Scumm]

Could this whole match boil down to the fact that it's a hell of a lot easier for Batista to hit the Pedigree than it is for HHH to hit a Batista Bomb? I mean, Internationally as well, who knows what could happen? Granted, HHH might not be one to put people over all the time, but I think I could see him losing this one, simply 'cos of the finishing situation. It could be said Batista would've had it easier, not sure.

I'm tempted to vote Batista.

 

[FunKay the Inevitable]

You know how sometimes you can never quite beat that one thing? In Triple H's case, that one thing is Batista. Three straight PPV main events saw Batista not just beat Triple H, but bloody him and by the third time, inside Hell in a Cell, completely destroy any shred of ego that he supposedly had left. Batista has thoroughly embarrassed Triple H on numerous occasions without having to use the Pedigree, and while Hunter is deceptively strong, the Pedigree is simply an easier move to use. Batista is Triple H's kryptonite and once again he brings down everyone's favourite son-in-law.

 

[jtolliver23]

As has been said on here already, the pedigree is way easier to pull off than the Batista bomb. That is the only reason that Batista gets my vote here. Any other kind of match I would give the edge to Triple H.

 

[Richard Blonoff]

A lot of people are saying the Pedirgee is easier to hit, and thats true, but I'm taking this the opposite way. How many times have you seen Trips pull the Tombstone in the build up to his matches with Taker at Mania? Hell last year he even hit it on Taker himself. That is why he gets my vote

 

[Tastycles]

Sometimes you don't need to look at the hypotheticals, and just look at what really happened to pick your choice. Batista has beaten Triple H a lot of times, and that can't be ignored. Nor can the fact that while Triple H is strong, I'm not sure he's strong enough to pull off a powerbomb. I think this is Batista's to win, to be perfectly honest.

 

[LSN80]

I really think this is Batista's match to lose. Even with outside interference, HHH never beat Batista in single's competition, including the main event of Wrestlemania. I do believe both men are capable of executing the other's finishing maneuvers, and would be in position to after hitting their own first.

But which would be easier to do: HHH giving Batista a powerbomb after hitting the pedigree, or Batista giving HHH the pedigree after hitting a Batista bomb? The latter, obviously, and the more likely scenario as well. I'm not a fan of Batista's, but his dominance of HHH is well established here, and the match stipulation may even favor him somewhat.

 

[George Steele's Barber]

Sometimes you don't need to look at the hypotheticals, and just look at what really happened to pick your choice. Batista has beaten Triple H a lot of times, and that can't be ignored. Nor can the fact that while Triple H is strong, I'm not sure he's strong enough to pull off a powerbomb. I think this is Batista's to win, to be perfectly honest.

Stop with the HHH can't pull off a Batista Bomb arguments. It is professional wrestling, anyone can pull off just about any move with the help of their competitor. Plus, have you seen the size of HHH? His nose alone could get Batista off the ground.

 

[nightmare]

Damn.


I am a bigger fan of HHH. Unfortunately I cant forget Batista had his number a few times, especially in the HIAC match. His wins are solid logic on why HHH would lose. I just dont think HHH would be able to pull off the powerbomb after taking the beating Batista has proven he will give him.


Could he powerbomb Batista? Likely at the beginning of the match, but after a long, bloody battle? Im not so sure. Maybe if he caught Batista on the turbuckle trying to punch him, HHH hooks his arms around the legs and dumped him, but Im not sure that would count as a 'Batista Bomb'. We may need clarification on that.


Could anyone clarify if that would count? Tasty? KB?

 

[The Brain]

I want to vote for Triple H. I really do, but facts are facts. Batista did beat Triple H at three consecutive ppvs. One of them was a mania main event and another was hell in a cell. That's hard to ignore. Batista is more likely to hit a pedigree than Triple H is to hit a powerbomb. You can consider it an upset that Triple H goes out this early but I think Batista moves on.

 

[Dowdsy McDowds]

One thing I keep thinking about is HHH tombstoning Taker at last year's Mania and Taker kicking out. Batista ain't no Taker, but that's the only time I can remember where HHH utilised someone else's finishing move, but it didn't get the job done. Add Batista's record over HHH to the equation and I think HHH is on the losing end here.

 

[Larry]

I just can't do it. I can not vote against Triple H here. I love him too much, he's my absolute favorite guy, I just can't vote against him here.

I know Batista has the winning record against him, but that was Triple H putting Batista over so he could be the guy he went on to be. Triple H MADE Batista in that respect and I think in a situation where that's not the case and that's not what he's trying to do, Triple H actually does win, all bias aside. I'm just looking at the context of his losses to Batista here, and I think that's reasonable to a degree. I'm not saying that's the end all be all argument that should sway everyone but it is something to consider.

I'd also like to note for the record that Triple H is waaaaay bigger than Batista in real life and there should be no question as to whether or not he can Batista Bomb him. He's strong enough to manhandle Undertaker, he's strong enough to manhandle Batista. I've met them both and I was shocked to see that Batista isn't even as big as me. He's cut, he's in great shape, but the camera is doing him a lot of favors. The way his body is broke up by his elbow/knee pads, trunks, and boots is meant to make him look a bit thicker than he really is, and you can't forget that he, like many others is also wearing lifts in his boots to make him look taller than he actually is. Triple H when I saw him in real life was a monster!!! I couldn't believe how big he actually was. I figured he would look a lot smaller in real life, and that Batista would be ginormous, but it was the other way around. I was getting Batista's autohraph, less than a foot away from him, just a guard rail separating us, and at some point I realized I wasn't look up at him, but he is billed to be quite a bit bigger and taller than me.

 

[Stormtrooper]

I want to vote for Triple H. I really do, but facts are facts. Batista did beat Triple H at three consecutive ppvs. One of them was a mania main event and another was hell in a cell. That's hard to ignore. Batista is more likely to hit a pedigree than Triple H is to hit a powerbomb. You can consider it an upset that Triple H goes out this early but I think Batista moves on.

But we are supposed to be looking at both mens prime.

Triple H's Prime was either 1999-2001 during the McMahon-Helmsley Facteem, or 2002-2004 when he was on top for pretty much the duration of that span with Evolution.

Batista's Prime was 2005 (or arguably his heel run prior to his departure). When Triple H put over Batista (and don't think anything else, that's all it was, Triple H putting Batista over), he was past his prime already.

In Triple H's Evolution Prime he didn't lose one-on-one matches, especially of PPV-caliber like this. He lost to Shawn Michaels and Bill Goldberg, and that's it. Shawn was in a multi-man match, and Goldberg was a fresh face they were trying to get over.

ALSO, Batista was a lone wolf in his prime. Triple H had Evolution and the McMahon-Helmsley Faction/Regime. I see this match ending with loads of interference from either Orton/Flair or DX 2000 and get the Batista Bomb.

And to the people who think that Triple H can't powerbomb Batista, you have to realize that he was pretty damn ripped during his prime, and easily capable of getting a 300 pounder in the air. AND he's got other people helping him so it's even easier.

Vote HHH

 

[The Brain]

But we are supposed to be looking at both mens prime.

Triple H's Prime was either 1999-2001 during the McMahon-Helmsley Facteem, or 2002-2004 when he was on top for pretty much the duration of that span with Evolution.

Batista's Prime was 2005 (or arguably his heel run prior to his departure). When Triple H put over Batista (and don't think anything else, that's all it was, Triple H putting Batista over), he was past his prime already.

To be honest it never even crossed my mind that 2005 could be considered past Triple H's prime. You have a point that the Triple H of 2000 stands a better chance against Batista but I think Hunter was still in his prime in 2005. Although I suppose you could say 2005 was a career year for Batista and Triple H probably would have beaten him any other time. I have already submitted my vote though and it went to Batista. It's a close match and part of me hopes to see Triple H pull off the win even though I voted against him.

 

[Mr. Book This Section]

I voted for Trips. HHH is one of the greatest wrestlers of all time. If he can hit tombstones on Taker than he wont have any problem hitting a move on Batista.

 

[Little Jerry Lawler]

But we are supposed to be looking at both mens prime.

Triple H's Prime was either 1999-2001 during the McMahon-Helmsley Facteem, or 2002-2004 when he was on top for pretty much the duration of that span with Evolution.

Batista's Prime was 2005 (or arguably his heel run prior to his departure). When Triple H put over Batista (and don't think anything else, that's all it was, Triple H putting Batista over), he was past his prime already.

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So let me get this straight? You just stated that one of HHH's primes was 2002-2004 or when he was on top with Evolution? Now, I could argue that Evolution officially ended on February 21, 2005 when Batista chose to face HHH for the title. So HHH was in his prime as of that date but when WM 21 rolled around, HHH was not in his prime? Confirm this.

In Triple H's Evolution Prime he didn't lose one-on-one matches, especially of PPV-caliber like this. He lost to Shawn Michaels and Bill Goldberg, and that's it. Shawn was in a multi-man match, and Goldberg was a fresh face they were trying to get over.

Goldberg debuted five months before he faced and beat HHH for the title. They had Rock put him over. He feuded with Jericho so he had plenty of time to get over so don't give me that fresh face shit. Also, he lost to Shelton Benjamin and Eugene. I see you chose to gloss over it or just forgot. I'll assume the latter.

ALSO, Batista was a lone wolf in his prime. Triple H had Evolution and the McMahon-Helmsley Faction/Regime. I see this match ending with loads of interference from either Orton/Flair or DX 2000 and get the Batista Bomb.

A lone wolf who was just as dominant over the top guys in his era as HHH was. I like that lone wolf.

And to the people who think that Triple H can't powerbomb Batista, you have to realize that he was pretty damn ripped during his prime, and easily capable of getting a 300 pounder in the air. AND he's got other people helping him so it's even easier.

Vote HHH

When has HHH ever resembled something close to being capable of getting a 300 pounder in the air? I haven't seen it. Have you?

Batista for the win.

 

[Davi323]

I would have to say that Triple H is probably at his absolute prime in the 1999-2001 timeframe. Once he tore the first quad in 2001, after he returned he simply wasn't quite the same as he was before. He was still an exceptional wrestler after he returned, but there was something missing. Not that he was significantly diminished, but there was a slight decline in what he could do.

I still don't know who I am going to vote for yet though. I agree with most saying that the Pedigree is probably easier to apply overall, but at the same time, I don't think Triple H lacks the strength to put Batista in a Batista bomb either. Triple H used to be a solid mass of muscle. Batista's size would not have been a limiting factor.

 

[Poop Master Flex]

Easier to give a Pedigree? Sure is. With that said Triple H is a beast and could easily give Batista a Batista Bomb without much issue, he certainly has the power to do so.

I give this one to Triple H because he can use his smarts to counter the Pedigree more easily since its his move. He's just a better wrestler, is known as the cerebral assassin and just knows how to get a victory in such a situation.

This is how I see this match going. Batista looks to have Triple H beat, goes for the Pedigree but in the last minute Triple H drops to his knees and low blows Batista, bent over Triple H gets up, Batista Bombs him and this one is over. Triple H wins.

@Little Jerry Lawler - Triple H powerbombed Test through an announcers table in 2001 on RAW and he weighs 5 pounds less than Batista so it most certainly can happen.

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[Stormtrooper]

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So let me get this straight? You just stated that one of HHH's primes was 2002-2004 or when he was on top with Evolution? Now, I could argue that Evolution officially ended on February 21, 2005 when Batista chose to face HHH for the title. So HHH was in his prime as of that date but when WM 21 rolled around, HHH was not in his prime? Confirm this.

I would go more with when Triple H tapped clean in the middle of the ring at WM XX as the end of his prime. A full year before Batista.

Goldberg debuted five months before he faced and beat HHH for the title. They had Rock put him over. He feuded with Jericho so he had plenty of time to get over so don't give me that fresh face shit. Also, he lost to Shelton Benjamin and Eugene. I see you chose to gloss over it or just forgot. I'll assume the latter.

A lone wolf who was just as dominant over the top guys in his era as HHH was. I like that lone wolf.

At the end of the day, Triple H went over in all his feuds, unless they had outside help. Batista doesn't have outside help. And Goldberg got the belt because they needed to put a belt on him to make him being signed have a point.

And you yourself said he was "just as dominant". Well, Triple H has MULTIPLE people helping him, so Trips being just as dominant and having help puts him over.

When has HHH ever resembled something close to being capable of getting a 300 pounder in the air? I haven't seen it. Have you?

He Tombstoned Undertaker, who is 300 pounds at WMXXVII. That's getting a 300 pounder in the air, and Triple H was well past his prime at that point.

Batista for the win.

in your dreams, maybe. Triple H doesn't lose in his prime. It's the same argument you used for Ultimate Warrior.

 

[Little Jerry Lawler]

I would go more with when Triple H tapped clean in the middle of the ring at WM XX as the end of his prime. A full year before Batista.

So I just imagined Unforgiven 2004-WM 21? That couldn't have possibly been part of HHH's prime.

At the end of the day, Triple H went over in all his feuds, unless they had outside help. Batista doesn't have outside help. And Goldberg got the belt because they needed to put a belt on him to make him being signed have a point.

So Batista beat HHH straight three times and you seem to view this as a negative because he didn't need outside help? I thought it would be a positive. Silly me.

And you yourself said he was "just as dominant". Well, Triple H has MULTIPLE people helping him, so Trips being just as dominant and having help puts him over.

Who says anyone is going to interfere? Is interference even allowed?

He Tombstoned Undertaker, who is 300 pounds at WMXXVII. That's getting a 300 pounder in the air, and Triple H was well past his prime at that point.

Tombstoning and powerbombing are two different things. Undertaker never just picks someone straight up and tombstones them. They stagger towards him which makes it easier to be picked up. HHH won't have that luxury.

in your dreams, maybe. Triple H doesn't lose in his prime. It's the same argument you used for Ultimate Warrior.

When did I use this argument for Warrior?

 

[FitFinlay4Life]

I'm sorry but Trips held the top belt a further three times after losing his feud with Batista - as such, how can anyone really claim he was past his prime? Better still, even now he is just a couple of months removed from cleanly pinning the current WWe Champion AND even less time from taking the Undertaker to the limit again at Mania. And finally, Batista is a year older than Helmsley, is it really the argument that Dave's peak was coming in as Hunter's was ending?

As far as the stip goes, it neither benefits nor hinders either guy because both are initiated from the same base, so it shouldn't impact on anybodies decision.

Like it or not (I don't), Batista beat Triple H convincingly in a prolonged feud - kayfabe says it happens again here.

 

[SuperSteve16]

You know how sometimes you can never quite beat that one thing? In Triple H's case, that one thing is Batista. Three straight PPV main events saw Batista not just beat Triple H, but bloody him and by the third time, inside Hell in a Cell, completely destroy any shred of ego that he supposedly had left. Batista has thoroughly embarrassed Triple H on numerous occasions without having to use the Pedigree, and while Hunter is deceptively strong, the Pedigree is simply an easier move to use. Batista is Triple H's kryptonite and once again he brings down everyone's favourite son-in-law.

I completely agree with this post. Triple H just can't beat Batista on PPV and the animal is one of the few people that have dominated him. I have no doubt that Triple H can do the Batista bomb but the pedigree is a far easier move to do and all signs point to Batista here.

SuperSteve 16 votes for Batista

 

[Mantaur Rodeo Clown]

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WHOOMP there it is. The most damning evidence against anyone saying HHH can't powerbomb a guy. You know, that most basic of maneuvers that any wrestler can perform.

I don't really understand how people are saying the Pedigree is easier to hit than that. You have to hook arms, put heads between legs, its all a very complicated process. I'm not sure big Dave would be up to the challenge.

Honestly, there's far too much that can go wrong when you're using a move against the guy that invented it. Powerbombs had been used before Batista. But the Pedigree has one master, the guy from Grenwich, Conneticut.

Keep in mind that all it would take would be a simple jab to the leg for Batista to crumble while trying to hook a pedigree. And for someone who has a history of WEAK ASS, GIRLSCOUT-LOOKING, HAMSTRINGS like Batista (http://www.wwe.com/shows/raw/archive/12222008/articles/batistahamsurgery) , I think we all know the winner of this match.


HHH.