International Region, Third Round, Embarrassment match: (3) Triple H vs. (11) Batista

[cult_of_icecream_bar]

Batista wins.Wanna know why.Vengence 2005,triple h walks in the hell in a cell with an(probably) unbeaten record and looses bloody to batista.HHH has the meanest streak in pro wrestling,but time in n time out batistas been proven his achilies heel.So again i say,batista wins.

 

[Hulk Hogan's Brother]

I have to go with Batista. The guy had Triple H's number during their feud. I do not think that HHH will have any problem hitting the powerbomb but niether will Batista have a problem with the Pedigree. I remember Owen Hart hitting one on HHH at Over The Edge 1998. It is not really too hard a move to perform and Batista's superior record must count here.

 

[Stormtrooper]

So I just imagined Unforgiven 2004-WM 21? That couldn't have possibly been part of HHH's prime.

Considering that entire reign was all about building up Batista, and not Triple H, yeah, I'd say that's past his prime.

So Batista beat HHH straight three times and you seem to view this as a negative because he didn't need outside help? I thought it would be a positive. Silly me.

I viewed it as a past his prime wrestler putting over his former stable-mate. I never viewed it negatively. Just viewed it for what it was.

Who says anyone is going to interfere? Is interference even allowed?

Well the ONLY way to win is to hit your opponents finisher. Last I checked it didn't say hit the opponents finisher or disqualification. So yeah, interference is allowed, as you can't punish the guy for having interference.

Tombstoning and powerbombing are two different things. Undertaker never just picks someone straight up and tombstones them. They stagger towards him which makes it easier to be picked up. HHH won't have that luxury.

No, the guy staggers, then he puts him between his legs. Then he hoists him up and throws him down. And since when does a guy staggering make him easier to pick up? He still has to bend sideways a bit and pick him up with his right arm and put him on his shoulder before holding him upside down. That's not easy at all, and Triple H did that to a 300 pounder when he was WELL past his prime.

He can very easily lift up Batista, who would already be weakened thanks to Triple H and his trusty sledgehammer.

And who says he has to lift them up, anyway? Batista was never known as a smart wrestler. Triple H could very easily be stunned in the corner and Batista will climb up for 10 punches, and Triple H easily counters that into a Batista Bomb (which is just a Sitout Powerbomb) for the win.

When did I use this argument for Warrior?

Sorry, I confused you with Big Sexy, who argues that Warrior would win because Warrior never lost. My apologies. Either way, Trips has this one.

 

[PlayTheGame]

Triple H is one of the most cerebral and calculated wrestlers ever. His ring presence and awareness may be one of the best, if not the best, of all-time kayfabe. He's not called the cerebral assassin for nothing, that's for sure. If he or Batista is going to be hit with the other's finisher, I find it much more likely that Triple H could pull off Batista's move, opposed to the contrary. Not that either is too hard to execute. It's just that I don't see Triple H in his prime taking his own move. I see him being too aware and seeing it coming, and thus being able to counter. Batista, on the other hand, could fall into the trap. While smart in his own right, Batista can be duped into taking his own move, and I see that finishing the match.

I don't see a prime Triple H taking a pedigree to end the match from the guy he mentored. If anything, the stipulation helps HHH.

 

[shattered dreams]

WHOOMP there it is. The most damning evidence against anyone saying HHH can't powerbomb a guy. You know, that most basic of maneuvers that any wrestler can perform.

I'd actually say it is pretty damning that is the best anyone can find of HHH doing a "basic" maneuver. It actually confirms pretty much everything we have been saying. He couldn't even get Test up above his shoulders and he wasn't even standing up all the way. It was a really crappy move made to look palatable by having a table below him to fall through. If you replace the table with a mat, which would be the case in this match, then it has almost no impact and isn't going to put away someone the caliber of a Batista. Kayfabe this match is pretty clearly Batista's.

 

[Hulk Hogan's Brother]

Stormy, I do not see how you can say that HHH was past his prime when Batista went over him. Years from that, HHH won world championships and defeated two of the biggest superstars in the company in Cena and Orton and many other big names as well. If that wasn't his prime, then I think that he should have been an unstoppable beast in his prime, which he wasn't. Batista just beat him because Batista had his number. The Game just had no answer for Batista. And that is why Batista should win here as well.

Also, I cannot see why you are using the "Game putting Batista over" thing as an explanation for HHH being past his prime. When we say prime, we talk about the kayfabe prime of a wrestler. Stuff like putting people over falls in the non-kayfabe department. You can't mix them both, dude.

 

[Mantaur Rodeo Clown]

I'd actually say it is pretty damning that is the best anyone can find of HHH doing a "basic" maneuver. It actually confirms pretty much everything we have been saying. He couldn't even get Test up above his shoulders and he wasn't even standing up all the way. It was a really crappy move made to look palatable by having a table below him to fall through. If you replace the table with a mat, which would be the case in this match, then it has almost no impact and isn't going to put away someone the caliber of a Batista. Kayfabe this match is pretty clearly Batista's.

Solid points man, solid points.

I think you might have me beat actually.

Just do one thing real quick for me.

Can you find a video of Batista doing a double underhook facebuster? See how easy that one is to source.

Whats that? You can't find one? Oh then I guess its our one video versus FUCKING NOTHING.

Game. Set. Match.

 

[Hulk Hogan's Brother]

Solid points man, solid points.

I think you might have me beat actually.

Just do one thing real quick for me.

Can you find a video of Batista doing a double underhook facebuster? See how easy that one is to source.

Whats that? You can't find one? Oh then I guess its our one video versus FUCKING NOTHING.

Game. Set. Match.

Owen Hart did a pedigree on HHH at Over The Edge 1998. It is not that hard a move to perform. You do not need to be a rocket scientist to be able to perform that move. Should be real easy once you have beat down a guy real bad which is what Batista has done to HHH time and again.

 

[GI Cake]

Solid points man, solid points.

I think you might have me beat actually.

Just do one thing real quick for me.

Can you find a video of Batista doing a double underhook facebuster? See how easy that one is to source.

Whats that? You can't find one? Oh then I guess its our one video versus FUCKING NOTHING.

Game. Set. Match.

You're acting as if the Pedigree is as difficult of a move to pull as a Batista Bomb. Can Triple H fight out of his own finisher? Of course he will, who hasn't got out of a pedigree? But the fact that this match will relay on Triple H doing a sit out Powerbomb in the middle of the ring kills any real chance of him actually winning the match. Batista holds the advantage of being able to use a finisher that doesn't require a whole lot of strength, and can be performed very easily on a man that can be writhing in pain. If Triple H wish to have enough of a fight to Powerbomb an animal like Batista, he would need to dead lift the 260+ man on his shoulders and hit it proper.

Batista has beaten Triple H plenty of times on Pay-Per-View. It is absurd to think this stipulation puts Batista at a disadvantage against a man he's beat several times over.

 

[Larry]

All ludicrous arguments aside, prime for prime, HHH beats Batista. If the intent is to compare careers, and pit these two head to head at their peaks, Triple H in no way looses to Batista. I'll take Triple H from 1999-2004. 2005 is when we get into the rise of Batista and his "Prime" is harder to pinpoint since it's arguable that he was at his best when he left in 2010, although he had a great deal of success prior to that. Either way call it 2005-2010, and Triple H from 1999-2004 and Triple H wins. I would take Triple H specifically after his return in 2002 to demolish Batista, he was just a monster when he returned, arguably in the best shape of his life, and as ruthless as ever. He was every bit powerful enough to dominate Batista physically, and we all know he is a much better wrestler technically so this one is in the bag for Triple H. You can beat the Triple H - Batista feud to death with a stick all you want and say that since he beat Triple H then he beats him now, but we all know that was strictly business, with Triple H elevating Batista so he could go on to have the success he did up until his departure. This just swings it even more in favor of Triple H for me because without him doing that, Batista isn't the legitimate star he became after that, and he really stands no chance at that point. This is the case of "I made you, I can destroy you" and that is exactly the outcome here. Triple H for the win.

 

[Little Jerry Lawler]

All ludicrous arguments aside, prime for prime, HHH beats Batista. If the intent is to compare careers, and pit these two head to head at their peaks, Triple H in no way looses to Batista. I'll take Triple H from 1999-2004. 2005 is when we get into the rise of Batista and his "Prime" is harder to pinpoint since it's arguable that he was at his best when he left in 2010, although he had a great deal of success prior to that. Either way call it 2005-2010, and Triple H from 1999-2004 and Triple H wins. I would take Triple H specifically after his return in 2002 to demolish Batista, he was just a monster when he returned, arguably in the best shape of his life, and as ruthless as ever. He was every bit powerful enough to dominate Batista physically, and we all know he is a much better wrestler technically so this one is in the bag for Triple H. You can beat the Triple H - Batista feud to death with a stick all you want and say that since he beat Triple H then he beats him now, but we all know that was strictly business, with Triple H elevating Batista so he could go on to have the success he did up until his departure. This just swings it even more in favor of Triple H for me because without him doing that, Batista isn't the legitimate star he became after that, and he really stands no chance at that point. This is the case of "I made you, I can destroy you" and that is exactly the outcome here. Triple H for the win.

2002 HHH was shit. People complain about Cena and Batista doing a limited number of moves. Well, that was HHH in 2002. He had terrible matches with Undertaker and Hogan and the only person he regularly beat that was worth a damn was Jericho. I saw nothing powerful from HHH then or really any point of his career that makes me think he's going to beat Batista.

I don't care about the reasons why Batista beat HHH and how it was all business or some shit like that. It happened. I don't give asterisks as to why a wrestler beat a certain wrestler. The closest guy to Batista is Goldberg and Goldberg beat HHH for a title. HHH got all pissy and put a bounty on him. Goldberg got his ankle broke and still beat his ass again. Batista was just as dominant from 2005-2010 as HHH was from 1999-2004.

 

[FitFinlay4Life]

All ludicrous arguments aside, prime for prime, HHH beats Batista. If the intent is to compare careers, and pit these two head to head at their peaks, Triple H in no way looses to Batista. I'll take Triple H from 1999-2004.

Please explain to me why Triple H's 'prime' ends in 2004? After this date he wins three further World Titles, which means he was top of the heap a further three times. Being top of the heap usually means you're in prime performance shape (the exception would be if your reign was a washout - not applicable). He also won two Elimination Chambers AND an Elimination 4Way with Cena, Orton and JBL - not exactly shabby for someone 'past it'.

2005 is when we get into the rise of Batista and his "Prime" is harder to pinpoint since it's arguable that he was at his best when he left in 2010, although he had a great deal of success prior to that. Either way call it 2005-2010, and Triple H from 1999-2004 and Triple H wins...

Which means that Trip's 'prime' is from the age range of 30 to 35 and Batista's is from 36 to 41 with Hunter being slightly younger than Dave? You realise that it taking a green Batista up to his midthirties to reach wrestling maturity should mean that an already ripe Cerebral Assassin should be actually better still... unless his ability had plateaued and the Animal had risen over that level.

I would take Triple H specifically after his return in 2002 to demolish Batista, he was just a monster when he returned, arguably in the best shape of his life, and as ruthless as ever.

Sorry, but could you pick a worse timescale...

• Defeats Y2J for Undisputed Belt (who was booked as such a weak cowardly champion that even the build up was more about Stephanie than him)
• Loses title to a 49 year old Hogan within a month
• Loses to Taker in attempt to regain title
• Loses to HBK in his first feud as a heel
• Gets given the World Title
• Needs outside interference to defeat (then) midcarder RVD
• Needs even more outside interference to defeat comedy midcarder Kane
• Loses title to HBK in original Elimination Chamber
• FINALLY overcomes Michaels to regain
• Defeats another comedy midcarder in Booker T
• Struggles to overcome Kevin Nash
• Beats (the returned to midcard) Y2J
• Needs outside interference to beat Goldberg at EC but then is dominated by Big Bill (who reminds me of someone ) in their next two meetings and only a certain Dave Batista got Trip's through with the gold in the fourth encounter
• Loses consistently to Chris Benoit for WHC
• Beats 'to soon to be a WHC' Orton to regain belt
• Loses feud with Batista

Which part of this sketchy period are we referring too?

He was every bit powerful enough to dominate Batista physically, and we all know he is a much better wrestler technically so this one is in the bag for Triple H. You can beat the Triple H - Batista feud to death with a stick all you want and say that since he beat Triple H then he beats him now, but we all know that was strictly business, with Triple H elevating Batista so he could go on to have the success he did up until his departure. This just swings it even more in favor of Triple H for me because without him doing that, Batista isn't the legitimate star he became after that, and he really stands no chance at that point. This is the case of "I made you, I can destroy you" and that is exactly the outcome here. Triple H for the win.

No this is a case of "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it". Considering that, in the period that you have chosen, he only dominated unproven (at that stage) guys; that he was only tied (at best) with others and was also dominated at different stages (notably by Chris Benoit). Triple H's prime ran to July '09 because he was either Champ or consistently in the chase against consistently higher calibre contenders than those he faced back in '02. As such Batista dominated a 'prime' Triple H and he would be highly favoured to do the same here. It is one thing to put wrestler A over wrestler B in a hypothetical encounter when there is no straightforward comparison (ex: an early to mid 20th Century shoot based grappler against a late 20th/ early 21st Century Sports Entertainer), it’s a completely different kettle of fish to do this when there is an actual established history of one guy dominating the other.

 

[Mantaur Rodeo Clown]

Owen Hart did a pedigree on HHH at Over The Edge 1998. It is not that hard a move to perform. You do not need to be a rocket scientist to be able to perform that move. Should be real easy once you have beat down a guy real bad which is what Batista has done to HHH time and again.

Sorry, I forgot the part where Batista and Owen Hart were the same person. Although current day Hart moves about as quickly as Batista around the ring.

Unless Batista did like 15 years of training in Stu Hart's dungeon that I overlooked, I doubt he has the technical prowess to pull it off.

You're acting as if the Pedigree is as difficult of a move to pull as a Batista Bomb. Can Triple H fight out of his own finisher? Of course he will, who hasn't got out of a pedigree?

Well thanks so much for playing, glad you agree, now onto that damned Inoki match....

Oh. You weren't finished. How cute.

But the fact that this match will relay on Triple H doing a sit out Powerbomb in the middle of the ring kills any real chance of him actually winning the match.

I disrespectfully disagree. Prick.

Batista holds the advantage of being able to use a finisher that doesn't require a whole lot of strength,

Strength is not the issue. It's technique and poise. It's a difficult move to hit in wrestling, hence why you see next to no one ever hitting it besides HHH.

Shit, even CM Punk FORGOT how to do the Pepsi Plunge when he got to WWE. That's how hard that move is.

Originally I posted a whole bunch of videos, but screw it. Why do I even need to? Your lack of evidence is the most startling to me.

A video has been shown of HHH hitting a powerbomb.

Show me a video where Batista hits a pedigree.

Show me a video where someone from Batista's generation even attempts a pedigree on HHH or comes close to hitting it successfully.

Then we'd actually have an argument.

Batista has beaten Triple H plenty of times on Pay-Per-View. It is absurd to think this stipulation puts Batista at a disadvantage against a man he's beat several times over.

Yeah but HHH is the far better wrestler overall, and during 2000 until his quad injury was pretty much untouchable as the best wrestler in the world. His output of great matches was unreal and he far and away deserves to move on.

 

[Hulk Hogan's Brother]

Unless Batista did like 15 years of training in Stu Hart's dungeon that I overlooked, I doubt he has the technical prowess to pull it off.

Ooh, so Owen was able to do the pedigree because of his technical prowess? Then please tell me, did this guy...Oh sorry...girl go to Stu Hart's dungeon as well?

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So yeah, if fucking Chyna can perform a pedigree, anyone can. Unless you want to argue that Chyna learned that move by doing porn and Batista cannot do it because he hasn't done porn. Oh wait, she used to do the move even before she went into the porn industry. So, you have no argument here.

Oh yeah and let me show you another "technical genius" doing this move. Her name happens to be Velvet Sky.

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Also Batista is not really a chimp. It is not as if he does not use technical moves at all. Numerous times he has pulled off the ankle lock as well as the figure four leg lock and you need to be technically sound to execute both. Batista will be able to do the pedigree easily.

 

[Little Jerry Lawler]

Sorry, I forgot the part where Batista and Owen Hart were the same person. Although current day Hart moves about as quickly as Batista around the ring.

Unless Batista did like 15 years of training in Stu Hart's dungeon that I overlooked, I doubt he has the technical prowess to pull it off.



Well thanks so much for playing, glad you agree, now onto that damned Inoki match....

Oh. You weren't finished. How cute.

I disrespectfully disagree. Prick.

Strength is not the issue. It's technique and poise. It's a difficult move to hit in wrestling, hence why you see next to no one ever hitting it besides HHH.

Shit, even CM Punk FORGOT how to do the Pepsi Plunge when he got to WWE. That's how hard that move is.

Originally I posted a whole bunch of videos, but screw it. Why do I even need to? Your lack of evidence is the most startling to me.

A video has been shown of HHH hitting a powerbomb.

Show me a video where Batista hits a pedigree.

Show me a video where someone from Batista's generation even attempts a pedigree on HHH or comes close to hitting it successfully.

Then we'd actually have an argument.

Yeah but HHH is the far better wrestler overall, and during 2000 until his quad injury was pretty much untouchable as the best wrestler in the world. His output of great matches was unreal and he far and away deserves to move on.

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Honestly, how hard is it to hit a Pedigree? All Batista basically has to do is jump maybe three feet in the air. I've seen him do it before so let's please stop acting like the Pedigree is the hardest move in the damn world to execute. It's not.

 

[Loveless]

Just in the interests of a tie-break I'm stating my vote for Batista. He repeatedly beat HHH senseless and the gimmick clearly favours him.

 

[cult_of_icecream_bar]

Pedigree can be hit on a spur of a moment,doesn't need too much build up.But a powerbomb is a move where you really need your opponent weakend.So advantage will and does play to batista.And for proof watch any random HHH match,at most of them he hits the move all on a sudden.

 

[Nate DaMac]

Just in the interests of a tie-break I'm stating my vote for Batista. He repeatedly beat HHH senseless and the gimmick clearly favours him.

This.

Batista has 2 arms and 2 legs, so he has all the technical ability necessary to pull off a pedigree. He's also beaten him at 3 consecutive PPVs. Clean wins, too.

Triple H is Batista's bitch.

 

[Natural Selection]

In case of a tie this is for HHH. He is superior to Batista in every facet of wrestling.

VOTE HHH

 

[StraightEdge for Life]

If it goes to a tie, my vote goes to Batista.

Batista with 3 years of WWE experience, dominated Triple H on 3 straight PPV's. While Triple H has shown the ability to hit a Powerbomb in general, I don't believe he would be able to pull it off on Batista before Batista could put him away with a Pedigree.

 

[Cmills005]

The essence of Batista's success is that defeated a in his prime HHH. I think the stipulation is being slightly overrated here as either could perform the others move. Classic case of terrible matchup for a superior guy.

Vote Batista

 

[GI Cake]

I disrespectfully disagree. Prick.

Where the hell is this hostility coming from? I didn't insult you or choose any words to insult your opinion. If this is how you disagree with people you have some serious issues, dude.

Strength is not the issue.

It is the damn issue when HHH can only win this match if he dead lifts a 260+ Batista and performs a sit out powerbomb.

It's technique and poise. It's a difficult move to hit in wrestling, hence why you see next to no one ever hitting it besides HHH.

The same case can be said for the Attitude Adjustment. Just because only one guy in wrestling does it, that must mean only that one man has the technical poise and strength to hit the move. Hell, Del Rio is the only guy in the WWE to use an armbar as a finisher. That must mean the arm bar takes immense technical poise and ability to hit.

Shit, even CM Punk FORGOT how to do the Pepsi Plunge when he got to WWE. That's how hard that move is.

Or maybe he wanted to use a new finisher so he didn't have a Triple H wannabe finisher move.

Originally I posted a whole bunch of videos, but screw it. Why do I even need to? Your lack of evidence is the most startling to me.

You don't need evidence to see how easy a Pedigree can be performed.

Yeah but HHH is the far better wrestler overall, and during 2000 until his quad injury was pretty much untouchable as the best wrestler in the world. His output of great matches was unreal and he far and away deserves to move on.

Sorry man, but Triple H's 2000 run was awful. Watch any of his matches, even the ones with Batista, he was a brawler at best who relied on punches, a face buster, and his Pedigree, to call him the best technical wrestler on the roster during his 2000 run is absurd. Maybe in terms of kayfabe dominance, then yeah, he tore up the backstage and was the number one guy for a long time. That is, until Batista came along and beat Triple H at almost every twist and turn.

 

[Con T.]

For tie breaking purposes, when Velvet Sky, probably the worst worker in wrestling today, can perform your finisher, it isn't all that difficult. I'm sure Triple H can perform a Batista Bomb, but I'm also sure I've seen Batista beat Trips three times in a row. Actually, I know I have.

Not only that, but Batista knew how to get more good heat with one aspect; a hot pink t shirt. A man in a hot pink shirt; that's heat. And to me, Batista goes over

 

[Mantaur Rodeo Clown]

Where the hell is this hostility coming from? I didn't insult you or choose any words to insult your opinion. If this is how you disagree with people you have some serious issues, dude.

No, you!

It is the damn issue when HHH can only win this match if he dead lifts a 260+ Batista and performs a sit out powerbomb.

Seriously, did you not watch the video where HHH powerbombs test? I feel like I'm taking crazy pills here.

The same case can be said for the Attitude Adjustment. Just because only one guy in wrestling does it, that must mean only that one man has the technical poise and strength to hit the move. Hell, Del Rio is the only guy in the WWE to use an armbar as a finisher. That must mean the arm bar takes immense technical poise and ability to hit.

Yep. Pretty much agree with everything you said. Except lots of people have used an armbar and lots of people have used a firemans carry. No one in the WWE uses a pedigree. They probably can't. Or are scared to.

The guy Batista main-evented against at Wrestlemania used his finisher as a regular move. And he made it look better.

Or maybe he wanted to use a new finisher so he didn't have a Triple H wannabe finisher move.

I don't even.....What?

You don't need evidence to see how easy a Pedigree can be performed.

Oh sick, didn't know arguments didn't need evidence.

Hey, by the way, Sho Funaki wins this entire tournament just because you don't need evidence to highlight how fucking boss he is.

Sorry man, but Triple H's 2000 run was awful. Watch any of his matches, even the ones with Batista

His 2000 run.

Matches with Batista.

Please, someone. Put me out of my fucking misery.

he was a brawler at best who relied on punches, a face buster, and his Pedigree, to call him the best technical wrestler on the roster during his 2000 run is absurd.

I didn't say he was the best technical wrestler, I just said he was the best wrestler period.

Royal Rumble 2000
Fully Loaded 2000
No Way Out 2001
Wrestlemania 17

Those 4 matches alone just from this period of about a year are better than anything Batista has put together, and I even like Batista.

Maybe in terms of kayfabe dominance, then yeah, he tore up the backstage and was the number one guy for a long time. That is, until Batista came along and beat Triple H at almost every twist and turn.

Kayfabe, he won more titles. He main evented more Wrestlemanias. He slept with hotter chicks.

In real life, he still IS a better wrestler who didn't leave when he got sick of it, and has produced far better matches than Batista ever could.

 

[Mantaur Rodeo Clown]

For tie breaking purposes, when Velvet Sky, probably the worst worker in wrestling today, can perform your finisher, it isn't all that difficult. I'm sure Triple H can perform a Batista Bomb, but I'm also sure I've seen Batista beat Trips three times in a row. Actually, I know I have.

Not only that, but Batista knew how to get more good heat with one aspect; a hot pink t shirt. A man in a hot pink shirt; that's heat. And to me, Batista goes over

I think you pretty much just sealed the argument in HHH favour.

Velvet Sky can hit a pedigree.

Batista can't.

Ergo, Batista is a worse wrestler than Velvet Sky.

Please address your votes to HHH at 255lb, Greenwich, Connecticut.