I see it now, why everybody hates Cena

[Kris Benwa]

I am in the minority here but I thought Cena's promo was great and Wyatt's promo was terrible. It was nice to see Cena crack a joke at the expense of his opponent that's something he hasn't done in a long time and it was still funny. Cena was able to make me laugh and then keep me interested in promo even while switching to a more serious tone and subject matter. I don't feel like Cena did any burying whatsoever he said a joke, I LOL'd and didn't even think twice about it and I think that's how it was supposed to come off and I think that's how most perceived it or should have. Wyatt on the other hand was just incoherently rambling nonsense. I felt like it didn't have any real message, I wasn't entertained, he was stumbling over the words I just didn't like anything Wyatt did during that promo. His one later in the show was good though. In the end, Cena did everything well during this segment and Wyatt cut probably the worst promo of his career since re-debuting and one of the worst promos in my recent memory. I get the feeling most people didn't even really listen to the promos but just said because it was Wyatt it was awesome and because it was Cena it sucked. IMO Cena was the one who made Wyatt look like a chump on the mic and not the other way around.

 

[JoeFromTomsRiver]

I find this thread kind of funny, because I'm one of those "Cena-haters", and I actually got a kick out of his comments directed at Wyatt.

Too often, Cena's attitude towards opponents is the generic "you want some, come get some" stuff and he never takes shots at the guy. It's the "always taking the high road" routine, the good little boy-scout act, and the painfully unfunny quips that make me not enjoy his promos. And the "homeless guy wasting away in margaritaville" thing, in response to Wyatt calling himself a GOD, was appropriate and well-received by this Cena-hater. Probably because I was expecting some standard Cena reaction like: "you're not a God, and I'll prove that at Wrestlemania!" (cue music).

 

[Limitless]

Cheap shot?... sure was, However I have come to expect that from Cena. Cena is definitely a kid in the ring, and he needs to grow up. I mean his character is kid friendly and lame. The guy is not intimidating in any sense and looses me with his cheap promo's on rivals.

Look at it this way... who else would come out and suck up to hogan to get over?... John Cena. The guy was not over with the crowd until Hogan Profound his love for him and Cena kissed some ass. Bray Wyatt looked pretty weak, when Cena broke down his character and looks. If bray loses at WM, then what? ... another superstar that Cena won't put over. If Bray win's than perhaps he can gain some respect as a superstar. Last night Cena basically shook off any eeriness that bray presents. Bray needs to gain some real momentum and prove a point or I think I may have proven mine about Cena.

Every time Cena faces off with someone I am worried about his opponents future. Cena beats people left and right and kills momentum for a lot of superstars.

 

[Rasslin_fan]

Ironically, I'm almost certain that The Rock himself has made fun of The Undertaker for rolling his eyes into the back of his head and stuff....

Anyway, I do believe Cena does undermine people as far as saving his spot.

 

[Hurt2k1]

This might sound kind of dumb for me to say, but Cena is suppose to be the person kids look up to and we are suppose to be teaching kids to not bully. Well everything Cena did last night was bullying in sense of it. I am not a Cena fan but do respect his accomplishment but the dude is just way to over the top on his superman like attitude that it just gets on my nerves.

 

[The Perfect Max]

This has been blown WAY out of proportion. Look, John Cena is the face, Bray Wyatt is the heel. This is typical stuff, you know, mocking each other? I'm pretty sure The Rock has done enough promos in his life that you can find one in which he rips into another superstar clearly not on his level. Thing is, he always did it, so you'll have no hard time finding an example. John Cena ripping into Bray Wyatt is nothing new or anything to be worried about. Crowds are generally much smarter these days (I say generally because God, there are some exceptions), and people are taking to Bray Wyatt and his gimmick. They'll continue to roll with it because it's fun. Oh, and did you remember he's facing a, what, 14-time World Champion at WrestleMania XXX? The same guy who's faced The Rock, Triple H, Shawn Michaels, Batista, Edge and more at previous events?

Bray Wyatt lost zero credibility during Cena's promo, and the feud will continue as planned, unharmed. One thing I will agree on is that John has been doing pretty much the same promo for nine years. Nine years, John.

 

[JoeFromTomsRiver]

This might sound kind of dumb for me to say, but Cena is suppose to be the person kids look up to and we are suppose to be teaching kids to not bully. Well everything Cena did last night was bullying in sense of it. I am not a Cena fan but do respect his accomplishment but the dude is just way to over the top on his superman like attitude that it just gets on my nerves.

Yeah, well we also tell kids that they shouldn't settle their differences by fighting each other yet that's the whole point of Pro-Wrestling. This isn't presented as a "sport", where guys are just wrestling each other, guys don't like each other so they fight. Which makes the entire "Be a Star" thing so ridiculous. It's such a self-serving, hypocritical PR gimmick.

 

[Pedigree1]

Just so that this thread doesn't continue in the wrong direction,

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And If I may add, the 12 hugs he exchanged with Hogan made me puke.

There, transformation complete, I'm a Cena hater now

So all it took was 12 hugs or so you say,with the greatest ICON ever in pro wrestling.. The same Hogan who made wrestling world known and help bring it to what it is today. The same Hogan who 30 years later people still go apeshit over.. Cena sharing the same ring,with the same ICON as i mentioned above,that act alone made you hate him?? I suspect you hated him already. If you hate him why even make a comment like this? You do realize that Cena is probably top five in terms of ICONS all time right?

 

[JJ15776]

Cheap shot?... sure was, However I have come to expect that from Cena. Cena is definitely a kid in the ring, and he needs to grow up. I mean his character is kid friendly and lame. The guy is not intimidating in any sense and looses me with his cheap promo's on rivals.

Look at it this way... who else would come out and suck up to hogan to get over?... John Cena. The guy was not over with the crowd until Hogan Profound his love for him and Cena kissed some ass. Bray Wyatt looked pretty weak, when Cena broke down his character and looks. If bray loses at WM, then what? ... another superstar that Cena won't put over. If Bray win's than perhaps he can gain some respect as a superstar. Last night Cena basically shook off any eeriness that bray presents. Bray needs to gain some real momentum and prove a point or I think I may have proven mine about Cena.

Every time Cena faces off with someone I am worried about his opponents future. Cena beats people left and right and kills momentum for a lot of superstars.

Right, because Cena is the first person to ever celebrate in the ring with Hulk Hogan. It's not like Edge was tag team champions with Hogan and did that every single week. Were you complaining about The Rock or Shawn Michaels "kissing some ass" with Hogan when they did the exact same thing Cena did? Seriously, that's one of the stupidest things I've ever read in my life. Ever since Hogan's return in 2002, he's been celebrating with every face imaginable by doing his poses. But Cena should be the one guy above all that.

..and who the hell has Cena EVER killed the momentum for? Over the last few months he's been instrumental in helping the momentum of Randy Orton and Daniel Bryan. Not to mention providing minor boosts for guys like Mark Henry and Cesaro, who look legit just by being in the ring with Cena and holding their own. Before that there was Alberto Del Rio, Dolph Ziggler, CM Punk, Big Show, Ryback, The Shield(repeatedly), Brock Lesnar, The Rock, Kane, The Miz, Nexus(all of them, but Wade Barrett in particular). That's the last four years or so, and every single one of them was better off for having been in the ring with Cena. Some of them significantly so. And it doesn't end there. Want me to keep going? How about Triple H, Batista, JBL, Shawn Michaels? Or Edge, RVD, and Sheamus? He single handedly made those three main eventers. Mr. Kennedy, Umaga(he was once pinned by Kevin Federline just to help Umaga), Booker T, The Great Khali. Again, I'm just listing wrestlers who were better off after they had been in the ring with John Cena - and for most if them, it happened multiple times. I still haven't found one person whose momentum was killed by Cena. Ok, that's not true, he did kill John Laurinaitis's momentum.

I think other people have properly addressed the idiocy that is the notion Cena said or did anything wrong, so I'll leave it at that. Cena haters just get more and more pathetic as time goes on.

 

[Sexcellence of Sexecution]

Even though I am not that big of a fan of Bray Wyatt, that was a cheap shot. What if guys like Rock/Austin called Undertaker "a fake zombie" or something like that..his character will be buried.

The Rock said Undertaker had "mickey mouse tattoos" which is EXACTLY the same as Cena making fun of Bray's beard. The Rock was also known for calling people jabronis which is basically a slang term for jobber, meaning loser. Oh my god, the Rock broke the 4th wall and buried people. He was also frequently unsure about who in the blue hell people even were, which is honestly the biggest burial of all.

I also remember Cena saying this to CM Punk during a promo - "For 300 days you have been WWE Champion, for 300 days that championship has been irrelevant". .....Cena was trying to bury Punk's title reign by this line.

Yeah and CM Punk said Cena was a Vince McMahon ass-kisser, that Triple H was an idiot who would run the WWE in the ground, and that ADR was a one-dimensional performer. Punk needs to stop burying people.

Cena is just like Hogan. Wants to keep everybody down while he is on top, hence these degrading comments taking shots at people's character etc.

Yeah you're right, that's why Cena lost to Punk 6 times (at MITB 2011 Punk also kicked out of THREE Attitude Adjustments), and put over Bryan at SummerSlam.

And If I may add, the 12 hugs he exchanged with Hogan made me puke.

As for this comment...go watch WrestleMania 18. Rock hugs Hogan and poses with him. BECAUSE HE'S A BABYFACE.

Holy shit, I'm going to get a fucking aneurysm from all the idiots on the godforsaken forum.

 

[Bythedockofthebay]

The Rock said Undertaker had "mickey mouse tattoos" which is EXACTLY the same as Cena making fun of Bray's beard. The Rock was also known for calling people jabronis which is basically a slang term for jobber, meaning loser. Oh my god, the Rock broke the 4th wall and buried people. He wa also frequently unsure about who in the blue hell people even were, which is honestly the biggest burial of all.

And my favorite line from Rock ever was when he impersonated booker T and acted like booker was too dumb to add two and two.

 

[Sexcellence of Sexecution]

And my favorite line from Rock ever was when he impersonated booker T and acted like booker was too dumb to add two and two.

Let's not forget when he called Austin a piece of trailer park trash every week, called Mankind fat, made fun of Kane's robot voice, made fun of Big Show's stupid chokeslam hand motion, called Rikishi a thing wearing fatty, insulted Eddie Guerrero to a Mariachi band tune, called Shane McMahon a pussy, and said the reason Y2J can't win the big one is because he is simply not that good.

 

[triplehbk23]

I am so sick and tired of all the bullshit against Cena and all the boos against Cena and all the Cena sucks bullshit. Look my favorite wrestler of all time is Shawn Michaels followed by Hogan n Austin, Taker, Steamboat, Savage and Santana not John Cena but give the guy a fn break. He puts guys over left and right. He does every thing he can do for the business. He does all the charity and make a wish stuff. If you are right about Cena writing his own promos then how many times did he write in Daniel Bryan being way over him by Cena playing to the crowd by helping build Bryan and not just talking about himself. Nothing is gunna hurt Bray right now and Bray isnt going to win at Mania and the match with Cena will help him go higher then he is now. He did it for Carlito, he did it for Edge, hes helped do it for Daniel Bryan, he has done it for Punk, Orton, Batista and Miz so enough of the crying and whining bs about how and why people hate John Cena. People hate John cena because he gets booed constantly, gets put down, gets told he sucks and yet he comes back, respects the shit out of everyone, puts guys over, works through injuries, doesnt turn heel bc he doesnt want to and still gives more to the business then guys like Rock ever did!

 

[theblasterkid]

I'm not necessarily a Cena-Hater, I'm just sick and tired of the SAME OLD promos, the SAME OLD matches, the SAME OLD SuperCena bullcrap, and the fact that an injury that would put anyone else out for a year or more would only take maybe 2 months for Cena.

^This^ I think I stop watching WWE around 2006 or 2007 and Cena still has the same gimmick after eight years. I've recently just started watching again after years when I decided to check out Summerslam. I love Bray's character and think it's genius! In my opinion, WWE has a lot of new talent that should be built at least to be main eventer because that list is very thin. It's really amazing how long John Cena has reigned as the face of the company. There's a long list of guys who has won the WWE Title to only become dog meat to this guy. All the other faces of the company hasn't even reigned this long. Even when D-Bry becomes champ, he still won't be the #1 guy.

 

[DarksideEric]

I'm not necessarily a Cena-Hater, I'm just sick and tired of the SAME OLD promos, the SAME OLD matches, the SAME OLD SuperCena bullcrap, and the fact that an injury that would put anyone else out for a year or more would only take maybe 2 months for Cena.

Did you seriously just say a person's dedication to their craft (not to mention their wellness and recuperation) is something you're "sick and tired of"?

Like... did you really just say that?

Really?

 

[DarksideEric]

There's a long list of guys who has won the WWE Title to only become dog meat to this guy.

Really?

Name that long list if you could please.

Name every WWE person to win the WWE Title who are now "dog meat."

 

[jeffrey9800]

My god,

I just sent my opinion out there as 2 why I understood, only yesterday why some people hate Cena, and stated that I didn't like what was said yesterday, hell I hated it.

I always respected him for the hard work he put in, he's a fkin company man, a trooper who seems to have good value, I didn't even bash his wrestling skills since I think he had one of the best matches of the year vs Cesaro.

Now someone said the line : "You're not god and at Wrestlemania 30, i'll prove it" music hits .. end of story, would've been perfect.
No he had to make fun of his gimmick, and btw as far as Kane goes, "big red ******" is not making fun of the gimmick, "Big red burned mofo" would be, but big red ******, I don't agree that it's making fun of his gimmick.

I have to say, aldo I had a blast talking to some of you guys and exchange opinions, the reaction I got for just speaking my mind, while I just want to generate discussion was so much more hardcore than my opinion itself.

I appreciate all of the comments but must say that if we can't talk in a respectful way, there's no really point of exchanging at all.

I just find it sad that some read half a post and is in a hurry to hit reply, people saying Rock made fun of Undertaker, ya ok, he was a 10 years veteran and his gimmick was untouchable.

People bash me because the hugs made me puke, while I respect what Hogan did in the past, I don't see him as a wrestling hero, i'm sorry I don't, I see him as a failure as an old man, a guy who was awful in TNA, awful in Hogan knows best, had an awful divorce, was seen touching in a very fkin weird way his daughter's legs, and you talk to him as a hero?
I guarantee that Cena has no respect for him now, I just don't see how anyone could have respect for him, I'm sorry this is how I feel, and I respect if you don't feel the same way.

Anyways,
Take care, it was fun while it lasted, I'm out, no point in continuing to be frustrated by some peeps that I don't know personally.

Peace!

 

[FarFromFine]

Yeah the guys sticking up for Cena's BS in that promo are either trolling or just really don't understand the point.

What Cena did with by belittling the Wyatt's gimmick isn't even remotely similar to Rock calling Kane the big red ****** or calling Mankind fat. Insulting people was the Rock's gimmick. What Cena did would be like if Rock had said to Kane "We know your face wasn't really burned in a fire, so take off that plastic k-mart mask that management put on you, take out the fake contacts, and stop pretending to be a demon". Totally shits on the character.

 

[spg]

ok, i didn't read the full of this thread. Selling an angle is not about making your opponent look bad. I love rock and austin, but it seems like bullying him and making him look stupid is the thing. Why make a heel look stupid? it's about building him and making him look like a serious threat to you, it's not about how he dresses, looks or acts.

 

[Ryan Edwards]

I'm not necessarily a Cena-Hater, I'm just sick and tired of the SAME OLD promos, the SAME OLD matches, the SAME OLD SuperCena bullcrap, and the fact that an injury that would put anyone else out for a year or more would only take maybe 2 months for Cena.

Wait, what? You're also bashing him for his recovery time/willingness to work while injured? lol Come on now man, that's just silly.

 

[Bythedockofthebay]

Yeah the guys sticking up for Cena's BS in that promo are either trolling or just really don't understand the point.

What Cena did with by belittling the Wyatt's gimmick isn't even remotely similar to Rock calling Kane the big red ****** or calling Mankind fat. Insulting people was the Rock's gimmick. What Cena did would be like if Rock had said to Kane "We know your face wasn't really burned in a fire, so take off that plastic k-mart mask that management put on you, take out the fake contacts, and stop pretending to be a demon". Totally shits on the character.

Okay fine I'll give you a point for that, but him calling Booker T an idiot for the way he talks, or blasting Austin for being a redneck, or saying Jericho isn't good, kinda does.

And I don't see how Cena insulting his shirt and hat is the same as Cena saying Wyatt isn't a God. Is he just supposed to say, OMG YOU ARE A GOD!!!! You're the best EVER. Please don't. You're overthinking this. WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY overthinking it.

 

[Eddie Menuek]

Yeah the guys sticking up for Cena's BS in that promo are either trolling or just really don't understand the point.

What Cena did with by belittling the Wyatt's gimmick isn't even remotely similar to Rock calling Kane the big red ****** or calling Mankind fat. Insulting people was the Rock's gimmick. What Cena did would be like if Rock had said to Kane "We know your face wasn't really burned in a fire, so take off that plastic k-mart mask that management put on you, take out the fake contacts, and stop pretending to be a demon". Totally shits on the character.

I don't really see that. That would be flat out breaking kayfabe. That would be the equivalent of John Cena coming to the ring and saying, "you're not the leader of a cult and this isn't really the way that you live you life - you're that fat guy from the Nexus with questionable facial hair, with a new gimmick". If you saw a guy like Bray Wyatt in real life - and people like that exist - talking in abstract terms, trying to persuade people to join is cult and 'see the light', or whatever you want, maybe you'd be scared. Maybe you'd laugh it off and see him as a quack, which is pretty much exactly how John Cena responded. When Bray Wyatt properly gets his hands on John Cena and shows him how much of a threat he can really be, it's a different story. If Wyatt gave Cena the same sort of beating he gave Kane and Cena came out and cut the same promo without acknowledging what a threat he really is, that would be shitting on the character.

 

[The Eighties]

I've personally never liked the mocking promos, Rock did them nearly all of the time which is why I was never a fan of his mic work. I'm a fan of John Cena and I feel he is at his best when he talks with earnest passion about the business and whatever angle he is in, elevating it's importance and thus everyone involved in it, his attempts at comedy are mostly a miss for me.

In the grand scheme of things though it was one line. It is the type of derision best suited when facing guys like Miz and Sandow as jabs at their expense is fine given the type of heels they are, where as Bray is supposed to be menacing and a threat, so I'd say it was a poor choice of line but not a big deal.

 

[TheICChampion]

Wait, what? You're also bashing him for his recovery time/willingness to work while injured? lol Come on now man, that's just silly.

No, I'm just sick and tired of seeing him every week or every other week, and when he does seem to take time off for one thing or another, it's like he's back again before we've really even had a chance to notice he's gone. Remember when he got injured back in '07 and all you heard was Cena will be out for AT LEAST a year? How long was he really gone for? 3 months, right? If it had been maybe 6-8 months, ok, fine, he heals pretty quickly. But 3? Comeon.

 

[enviousdominous]

I was hoping someone would bring this up.

Here's what really pissed me off about that promo. First off, it was a very bland start for me with Hogan hyping the Andre the Giant Memorial Statue. The crowd seemed into it, but I think they were just happy to see Hogan doing anything.

Out comes John Cena, and for some odd reason he starts hyping that he'd like to win that statue. Oh, okay. So all the build for his match with Bray was just a huge waste of time, now he has something important to strive for. A statue that we just up and decided is worth dropping everything to fight for.

Out comes The Wyatts. Now, I really wonder if John improvised his response because it was really fucking stupid and I highly doubt that one of his writers came up with his dialogue for this bit.

Bray Wyatt basically said that his FAVORITE sin was pride, a sin that Hogan and John have a great deal of. He then suggested that if John were to look at him on even ground, John would see a God. Okay, more vague wisdom from Bray.

John retorts that he finds it funny that Bray would say that he HATES pride and then call himself a God. And let's be honest here, how in the fuck is that fucking ****** who looks like he let the garbage pail kids dress him up as one of their own even going to mock what someone else is wearing? Bray Wyatt is a play on Bob Deniro's character from Cape Fear, John Cena is a play on how he assumes that black people behave in Compton. You are a stupid mother fucker if you take John Cena seriously when he talks shit about the dress sense of someone else.

Right right right, whew. Okay. I turned off the tv, I was in a lounge so there was another tv showing what progressed. That was one of those situations where someone presents an argument against something you've said that is so balls out fucking stupid, that you honestly don't know where to begin and it appears that you've lost the argument because you choose to just walk away from it knowing that any wisdom will be futile and any effort will be wasted.

Bray was recognizing that John and Hogan are two very prideful dudes, something that neither of them argued. John instead chose to suggest that Bray is also very prideful. Oh no shit? So everything Bray said was spot on, you just wish that he had said "I am very prideful as well" out loud even though he basically said as much for anyone with half a brain to comprehend.

Hearing the commentators gush over the Andre the Giant Memorial Statue on one of the plasma screens in the background made me have to take a long break from the show. I was only watching to see what they were doing with Daniel Bryan that night.