I have to give HHH credit

[adamscott]

I posted a couple years ago how HHH buries talent and all that jazz, and even said I would re-post once he changes how he does things, and here is that post.

First the direction the companies going I have to hand it to him as it seems he's in charge of the new talent coming in and characters like Wyatt, Shield, Cesaro and some in NXT are very promising. He's gotten some legends back, or at least as ambassadors. I don't see someone like Wyatt being a big star if it were up to Vince.

This is where my kudos comes in: HE OPENED WRESTLEMANIA 30! Let that sink in for a second, HHH OPENED WM. He didn't bury DB in fact if anything DB started by over powering him and I would say it was 50/50 throughout and DB CLEANLY pinned him. No match screw job, even though I expected Steph to accidently hit HHH, but HHH gave DB the rub he deserved (HHH knew he deserved it too). The post match beat down if anything helped DB for the win later in the night, and in no way did I feel that was a bad thing for DB.

Some will say he still showed up in the ME. I look at it as it made DB look even stronger and the fact HHH didn't assert himself in the match is another kudos I have to give as he could have easily added himself to be in the ME. He came out (mind you not in wrestling gear either). If we want to talk about he still came out during the ME I leave that saying that was like Alex Riley coming out with Miz, Curt Hawkins and Zach Ryder coming out to help Edge. It's the fact he didn't insert himself in the match I am shocked with.

I think this shows he takes his COO job seriously and truly is doing what is best for business.

 

[Straightfromthehart]

In regards to Bryan most new it would happen, they played the long game like they did with Austin. But in regard to the rest of the roster. The booking overall is so random that anyone really getting over is delayed by constant script changes and no long term plan for the mid-lower card players. Hence the lack of new genuine stars, and reliance on the old school or part timers, it's not a good long term plan.

 

[Hakushi]

Well, he did OPEN WM30....However; he booked himself with one of the hottest stars in the company.....again. I will give him credit for the influx of new talent. He has done quite well there, BUT he either:
A: Has no idea what makes for interesting storylines or
B: Is too busy building his own that the rest of the roster suffers.

That being said, he actually delivered, with DB, a great match last night.

 

[adamscott]

We knew bryan was winning, for the most part yes, BUT it was CLEAN. As I said I thought at least Steph would accidnetly hit HHH but no it was CLEAN win. I don't think a lot of people expected that in fact a lot of people I think expected it to end in a draw and be a fatal four way.

In the last year we had the Wyatts, Shield, Cesaro, Bryan go over HUGE. Thats a lot of people so I dont agree with that statement, but I will say it needs to continue like that.

 

[George Steele's Barber]

HHH has been getting beat cleanly for years. To me, he is synonymous with the "You tapped out chant". The difference between him and other guys that have taken their share of big losses is that he also does a great job building himself back.

But I'm glad the OP can give him some credit.

 

[Aquaman6686]

I don't get the arguments for Triple H "burying" anybody. Triple H has cleanly put over almost every major star he's ever worked with. Kurt Angle, Big Show, Kane, Undertaker, Shawn Michaels, Chris Benoit, Goldberg, Batista, John Cena, Randy Orton, Sheamus, Daniel Bryan...the list of people he HASN'T put over is a hell of a lot smaller. The Triple H burial argument is completely without merit.

 

[JJ15776]

I don't get the arguments for Triple H "burying" anybody. Triple H has cleanly put over almost every major star he's ever worked with. Kurt Angle, Big Show, Kane, Undertaker, Shawn Michaels, Chris Benoit, Goldberg, Batista, John Cena, Randy Orton, Sheamus, Daniel Bryan...the list of people he HASN'T put over is a hell of a lot smaller. The Triple H burial argument is completely without merit.

"He buries people" = "I don't like him"

Nothing more, nothing less. Anybody who complains about Triple H or John Cena burying people is an idiot with no credibility and should not be taken seriously. They can't look beyond their personal feelings for the character and it completely clouds their judgement. You'll notice that it's always the same people who make the same complaint about both Triple H and Cena. Oh. And these people have no idea what "burying" means.

The overwhelmingly vast majority of people who have worked with Triple H, and every single person who has worked with Cena, has come out better for it. That's a fact.

Also, you forgot about Shelton Benjamin. Triple H really buried him.

 

[Aquaman6686]

"He buries people" = "I don't like him"

Nothing more, nothing less. Anybody who complains about Triple H or John Cena burying people is an idiot with no credibility and should not be taken seriously. They can't look beyond their personal feelings for the character and it completely clouds their judgement. You'll notice that it's always the same people who make the same complaint about both Triple H and Cena. Oh. And these people have no idea what "burying" means.

The overwhelmingly vast majority of people who have worked with Triple H, and every single person who has worked with Cena, has come out better for it. That's a fact.

Also, you forgot about Shelton Benjamin. Triple H really buried him.

You're right, I completely forgot about him. Yeah, I hated when Triple H destroyed Shelton Benjamin's career by putting him over in three or four straight matches. What an asshole.

 

[Kris Benwa]

I don't get the arguments for Triple H "burying" anybody. Triple H has cleanly put over almost every major star he's ever worked with. Kurt Angle, Big Show, Kane, Undertaker, Shawn Michaels, Chris Benoit, Goldberg, Batista, John Cena, Randy Orton, Sheamus, Daniel Bryan...the list of people he HASN'T put over is a hell of a lot smaller. The Triple H burial argument is completely without merit.

Came in here to post this. Along with Shelton Benjamin, you also missed Jeff Hardy but the Triple H buries people argument I'm not sure where that came from. He's put over a buttload of people including those you mentioned Benjamin, Hardy, and there's probably a few more we're forgetting. Beating Triple H usually automatically made you a star or if you were a star it solidified you in the top spots I don't think he has a problem putting over people especially those who could possibly make the company money.

 

[IT Factor]

First off, I very much enjoyed the Triple H/Bryan match last night at Mania. It was well done even with some surprise spots. Did anyone expect to see HHH pull off a Tiger Suplex? No one can argue with how good the match was. Great psychology, great amount of time, and a roller coaster ride. Triple H has always had great matches.

As far as losing goes, Triple H has always eventually jobbed. But not before winning a fair amount of matches first. The "burying" comes in when Triple H takes jabs at others later usually unmerited and unnecessarily. I think that is where most fans take offense. That whole video package with Triple H and the others that came before Daniel Bryan was a prime example. Guys like Jericho, RVD, Goldberg, Steiner, etc. all had decent to great matches with HHH at one point or another during his career. So why the burial video? I know heels are supposed to take shots at opponents but it just seems as though H goes abit over the line at times and comes off as being insecure. Other than that, I can't fault Triple H for being a great performer and entertainer. As a person, there is tons of faulting to be had just for his digs at others.

 

[Punk_Aries_Daniels_Bryan]

I don't get the arguments for Triple H "burying" anybody. Triple H has cleanly put over almost every major star he's ever worked with. Kurt Angle, Big Show, Kane, Undertaker, Shawn Michaels, Chris Benoit, Goldberg, Batista, John Cena, Randy Orton, Sheamus, Daniel Bryan...the list of people he HASN'T put over is a hell of a lot smaller. The Triple H burial argument is completely without merit.

Mr. Kennedy
Shelton Benjamin

Two guys who could have really made it big in WWE. Promising talent, who deflated down to nothing before leaving.

He put wrestlers over ... eventually. He could have put Sheamus over in their first WM bout, he didn't though. He put Lesnar over at SummerSlam, but something happened backstage, and next thing you know HHH wins at WM.
Triple H shot down Goldberg so many times with epic screwjobs.

Not shooting that HHH isn't good at what he does. I just think a whole lot of his headlining PPVs and championships, popularity and merchandise-selling came from the fact of people who he became associated with. Marrying Stephanie, being palls with HBK .. .all things boosted his career. He is an amazing heel but always wants to be the main guy.

Oh, he tried buring some other random guy too. His name is Chris Jericho.

 

[OYDK]

I really don't think Triple H cares about how he is perceived in the ring anymore. He is not a WWE Superstar anymore, he is the head of the WWE. Did he bury guys to put himself over when he was wrestling? Hell yea he did but so did Shawn Michaels, Kevin Nash, Scott Hall, Hulk Hogan etc. and they don't get nearly as much heat as Trip for some reason.

HHH is only concerned with running the WWE in the best way possible... He's not as narrow minded as to think him going over Bryan or winning the WWEWHC is best for business

 

[Aquaman6686]

Mr. Kennedy
Shelton Benjamin

Two guys who could have really made it big in WWE. Promising talent, who deflated down to nothing before leaving.

He put wrestlers over ... eventually. He could have put Sheamus over in their first WM bout, he didn't though. He put Lesnar over at SummerSlam, but something happened backstage, and next thing you know HHH wins at WM.
Triple H shot down Goldberg so many times with epic screwjobs.

Not shooting that HHH isn't good at what he does. I just think a whole lot of his headlining PPVs and championships, popularity and merchandise-selling came from the fact of people who he became associated with. Marrying Stephanie, being palls with HBK .. .all things boosted his career. He is an amazing heel but always wants to be the main guy.

Oh, he tried buring some other random guy too. His name is Chris Jericho.

How is Triple H responsible for Mr. Kennedy's failure to have talent?

Triple H put Shelton Benjamin over nearly half a dozen times. He did EVERYTHING humanly possible to make Benjamin a star. Benjamin's lack of mic skills had nothing to do with Triple H. And after beating Triple H, Benjamin went on to become a 3-Time Intercontinental Champion and 1-Time United States Champion. Explain how he's a failure in any way.

Triple H beat Sheamus at WrestleMania, and then Sheamus DESTROYED Triple H at Extreme Rules, putting him out of action for nearly a year. Sheamus came out on top there.

Lesnar beat Triple H in two out of their three PPV matches. And won in dominant fashion both times. Another invalid point.

Goldberg got two one-on-one PPV victories over Triple H, the second AFTER massive interference on HHH's behalf and he STILL lost. Both times Triple H beat Goldberg, it was in a multi-man match and again after interference (although I don't consider HHH's win via sledgehammer in the Chamber to be cheap at all, since there's no DQ). He put Goldberg over huge.

The only one of your examples where you have any sort of valid argument is Jericho. True, Jericho has never beaten Triple H in a singles match on Pay-Per-View. Boy, that sure stunted his career. I guess those six World Championship reigns and main eventing three WrestleManias were all a figment of my imagination.

 

[lil steroid meat]

Behind the scenes HHH is great. Finally taking the WWE in a true new direction after they've been so lost and stagnant since the Ruthless Aggression Era/everything after WM21.

However, on-screen he should have been more of an asshole. The COO HHH gimmick could have played more off of the decade plus worth of heat that people legitimately had for HHH.

 

[tyler.durden]

I am 50/50 on this one. On the one hand, he brought in and pushed a lot of new comers like DB, shield, wyatts, cesaro. But in the process, guys like dolph, miz, del rio, kofi, ryback, cody, sandow, fandango, truth, big e, sheamus, henry were all stuck in purgatory.

I get that the biggest focus should be the main event storyline, i.e. the Authority. But I don't know why the WWE can never properly build up any mid-card feuds or other championships. Where the hell was the IC title match, US title match at WM 30? I remember when the tag title match was a semi-main event type match. Now it's on the pre-show?

HHH, please put a little more effort into feuds that you are not personally involved with. You don't play the role of a wrestler anymore....

 

[Dragonslayer]

In the case of Bryan and especially WM30, I pull my hat to Triple H. First, he puts Bryan over in a HUGE way at the go-home RAW before Mania, almost to the point of overselling his assault, but still keeping it real enough to make Bryan look like a billion bucks.

Then, at WM30, he opens the event with Bryan in a very good match; Trips looked in great shape, was very crisp in the ring, did pull off some surprising moves (like the Tiger Suplex) and also took some surprising ones (Bryan's Germans), and he effectively "knighted" Bryan right then and there and made him a bona fide main event player for Wrestlemania by allowing him to kick out of the Pedigree. In this day and age, I suppose that's the ultimate honor you can earn in WWE (save for kicking out of the Tombstone), so by allowing that and giving Bryan a decisive clean win with his finisher (as opposed to for example stealing the victory with a roll-up or something like that), that put Bryan over even more.

Of course Bryan was already over with the fans, but with this match, Trips essentially told the audience: "Here look, here's a guy that can go toe to toe with HHH, actually kick out of the Pedigree and win clean. He's got a realistic chance to win the big one.

I think that the match against Triple H actually helped make Daniel Bryan an even more capable contestant for the main event; so kudos to Trips and definitely not a bad booking decision (even if the main event itself was a bit overbooked in my opinion, but that's another story).

 

[Stormlor]

Triple H does not deserve credit for WM30 by opening it up. I think having a nearly year long feud with one wrestler to make him starve was a mistake. That can work, but its like dangling a carrot in front of someone to see how they will bite.

Bryan should of won the title earlier, but Triple H whether on camera or not, doesn't feel that DB deserves the title. I think the only reason why DB is champion is because his merchandise is selling like hotcakes. More so than John Cena is right now, and is causing Cena to be some what of a mid carder.

Triple H will only believe in talent that make money for themselves. Not the company providing stories, or feuds. It's similar to how an independent contractor has to work. It used to never be like this, as the wrestling association would do a good job with feuds.

Triple H actually is the worst for business. On camera he's excellent, off camera he doesn't deserve the title or the position.

 

[pyrusane]

Mr. Kennedy
Shelton Benjamin

Two guys who could have really made it big in WWE. Promising talent, who deflated down to nothing before leaving.

Learn your history before you try to post here. Shelton Benjamin was put over huge by Triple H. Benjamin pinned HHH clean on Raw in the middle of the Evolution Era...twice. He did nothing with that rub, but he still got it.

Kennedy was buried, but it wasn't by HHH; Kennedy was buried by Orton, and by his own inability to wrestle without injuring himself or others. He returned from an injury that happened because of his own sloppy work, was hot-shotted into a program with Orton the night he returned, and fired the next day after he almost broke Orton's arm while botching a move.

He put wrestlers over ... eventually. He could have put Sheamus over in their first WM bout, he didn't though.

Yeah, he beat a guy that had been on the main roster for six months at Wrestlemania. What the hell do you people want? At the next PPV Sheamus put him out for ten months. I suppose every single guy that is wrestling in their first Mania match should get the Fandango treatment and go over a top guy, right?

Not shooting that HHH isn't good at what he does. I just think a whole lot of his headlining PPVs and championships, popularity and merchandise-selling came from the fact of people who he became associated with. Marrying Stephanie, being palls with HBK .. .all things boosted his career. He is an amazing heel but always wants to be the main guy.

The part I highlighted is proof that you are just another guy that hates someone and therefore blames all of their success on everything but talent. I could buy the headlining and championships argument, but are you really going to tell me that fans buy his t-shirts because he married Stephanie? That truly invalidates your entire point. Well done.

Oh, he tried buring some other random guy too. His name is Chris Jericho.

You don't understand the concept of burying someone. Go do some research, apply some critical thinking, come back when you're ready to try again.

You want to know who Triple H did kind of bury? Kevin Nash. Scott Steiner. Booker T. Goldberg.

Wait, let me rephrase that. He beat those guys, he didn't bury them (well, Booker maybe). The main reason HHH gets so much hate is because of that run he had around 2002-03 where it seemed like no one could beat him. The beginning of the Evolution angle. WCW guy after WCW guy came after him, and one-by-one he took them out. It got kind of ridiculous for a while there. But here's the thing; none of those guys really deserved to beat him then. The best argument could be made for Booker T, but that is an entirely different thread. Besides him, though, can anyone say they really thought that Kevin Nash or Scott Steiner deserved a title run in 2003? But let's look at those four names again. Kevin Nash. Scott Steiner. Booker T. Goldberg. Between the four of them, they had a combined twelve WCW World Heavyweight Championships and one WWE Championship before they ever feuded with HHH. People love to talk about how Triple H buried Booker T, but how do you bury a five time World Champion. He beat him. There's a difference.

The biggest reason none of those guys beat Triple H was very simple, though; if they had won, who were they going to feud with? At that time there was an over-abundance of top faces on the roster, but very few top heels. The brand split was a major reason for that. Let's say that each of those guys beats Triple H for the title. They aren't going to hold it forever, and the only credible heel at the time that it would make sense for them to lose it to is back to HHH. Then you run into a totally new problem. If you add a title swap with Nash, Steiner, and Booker to his resume (not including Goldberg since it actually happened), HHH is now a 17 time World Champion, and has beaten Flair's record. If he truly had the massive ego everyone accuses him of, it seems like he would have jumped at that opportunity. Just a thought...

Now for this guy:

Triple H does not deserve credit for WM30 by opening it up. I think having a nearly year long feud with one wrestler to make him starve was a mistake. That can work, but its like dangling a carrot in front of someone to see how they will bite.

Bryan should of won the title earlier, but Triple H whether on camera or not, doesn't feel that DB deserves the title. I think the only reason why DB is champion is because his merchandise is selling like hotcakes. More so than John Cena is right now, and is causing Cena to be some what of a mid carder.

Triple H will only believe in talent that make money for themselves. Not the company providing stories, or feuds. It's similar to how an independent contractor has to work. It used to never be like this, as the wrestling association would do a good job with feuds.

Triple H actually is the worst for business. On camera he's excellent, off camera he doesn't deserve the title or the position.

Never mind. I can't mock this guy, it would be like beating up a kid with Down's Syndrome (don't try it, they're freaky strong).

 

[Robert Roode Fan]

Triple H is the man, i don't care what anyone says the man has put over a lot of top talent. The problem is that a lot of people expect the game to put EVERYONE and their mother over, which cannot be good for business, doing that with jericho was a mistake.

 

[Mustang Sally]

Personally, I think he and Stephanie are probably engaged in a constant, frustrating battle with his father-in-law to get anything done the way they see fit.....with many instances in which they seemingly have an angle figured out and ready to implement, only to have Vince countermand their plans at the last minute.

For instance, I wouldn't be at all shocked if Trips & Steph had the break-up of Shield completely locked up and ready to go.....only to have Vince step in at the last minute, yelling: "No, we have to keep them together" and therefore spoiling the younger generation of management's carefully thought-out plans.

In the long run; the one in which Vince McMahon no longer has a say in business matters (in other words, when he's dead), I believe we'll truly see how effectively and logically the Levesque Two run the shop.

As for Triple H as a wrestler, I think he's doing what's best for business now, as he has been all along. How can people say he puts himself above the guys he's getting in the ring with, when he loses to Brock Lesnar and the Undertaker (twice)? If those losses don't convince you that he'll sacrifice himself for the good of the cause, how can you deny what he did against Daniel Bryan the other night? He didn't even feature his role in the main event or anywhere near it; instead, he opened the show, for heaven's sake.

When he wins, it's not for vanity, imo. Instead, he needs to keep himself established as a credible opponent for whomever he's facing, by occasionally winning. That way, when he does put someone over, it truly means something, as Daniel Bryan would be happy to attest.

I give Paul Levesque all the credit in the world for how he conducts business.