Bullshit. I'm not the first person to accuse Bret of this either, everyone from Ric Flair to Shawn Michaels to Curt Hennig has said the same exact thing I have---that Bret would predominantly rely on wrestling the same formula match.
But yes, YOU clearly know better about this than people WHO ACTUALLY FUCKING WRESTLED BRET HART. Clearly. I forgot you were Jesus Sly of Nazareth.
http://forums.wrestlezone.com/showthread.php?t=155405&page=2
I've already responded to that. Get your answer there.
You want proof? Sure thing. Go look up any fucking house show from the late 80s with a Bret Hart singles match. 90% of them are the exact same formula.
A fucking house show? Wait, you are basing your argument on fucking house shows!? Oh my fucking God, I cannot BELIEVE you actually are trying to make that argument.
House show matches are ALL the same. Everyone today works the same match at house shows, just like they did 20 years ago. Who the fuck is talking about house shows? I'm talking about matches on PPV, where the real money is, and where match quality actually matters.
Good God, xfear, fucking house shows? THAT'S your argument? Fuck, I'm tempted to not even bother replying to anything else in your post, if you're using house shows to make a point.
How desperate can one person be?
This isn't some bullshit I'm pulling out of thin air, it's something that has been said by several of Bret Hart's peers over the last 30 years. Bret was in fact so stuck in the same exact routine in the ring constantly that he would FLIP THE FUCK OUT on ANYONE who tried to even change ONE move in his finishing sequence. Excuse me if I take Ric Flair's word over yours. He's wrestled Bret Hart, MANY times. Have you? No, you sure as fuck have not.
http://forums.wrestlezone.com/showthread.php?t=155405&page=2
Already covered that too. You're also more repetitive than you and tdigle accuse Hart of being. But this time, I will point out, you're likely talking about Savage, not Hart.
Oh shut the fuck up with this "Japanese last names" bullshit, there are plenty of Japanese wrestlers I can't fucking stand
And yet, not one of them you haven't supported in these tournaments. Hmm...
So please, for the love of Christ, shut the FUCK up about this bullshit about how I'm biased towards Japanese wrestlers when I fucking said in this very thread no less that it would be completely justified and a fucking honor for Kobashi to lose to Bret.
So...you agree Bret Hart deserves to go over Kobashi. Great.
Oh, and don't get me wrong, I saw where you said that earlier. I just wanted you to keep saying it over and over.
So...if you agree Hart deserves to go over, then shouldn't you recant your statement about how Hart isn't half the worker Kobashi is? Because you agree it would be justified for Hart to go over, so that means you agree he's more deserving. Feel free to make your "Go Hart" post. We'll all wait.
Oh you're right I forgot those 4 matches you named represented a majority of the matches Bret Hart wrestled over his 20 year career.
No, those are just the matches everyone knows, and I point out how they are nothing alike, thus debunking your lies he works the same match.
How silly of me, I forgot Bret Hart wrestled only 6 matches in his entire life. You want proof? Again, look up any god damn house show Bret Hart wrestled a singles match on
I'm sorry, but you're fucking slaying me with the house show stuff. If it's not PPV, then it's pointless. You put ANYbody on a 4 night a week house show circuit, they're going to work essentially the same match. Why? Because the big money is on PPV, not the house show, so you don't give away your good stuff.
For someone who wants people to think he knows a lot about wrestling, you sure don't seem to understand very much about it. That's not a personal shot, just taking what you have said in this thread and making an observation.
Have you actually READ his reviews of puro? He, again, knows very little about it and the only reason he ever reviewed it was because people sent him free tapes and asked him to watch them. Why the fuck do you think he brought me on to do puro and indy reviews on his blog? Because he dedicates almost none of his time to it. Of his thousands and thousands of reviews he has maybe like 5 or 6 reviews TOTAL about Japanese wrestling. He hardly knows more about it than you do.
Wait...now you're telling KB that the comment he got from Scott Keith himself doesn't mean as much as your opinion?
That's great xfear, it fits in with the rest of your tactic. Lie and disguise the truth as much as possible.
I have no clue where you're getting this definition of the five moves of doom from. The definition that can be inferred from the way people use it on here is nowhere near close to what you're saying it is. If that's how you define the five moves of doom, then the point is totally irrelevant to the debate at hand.
What the hell are you talking about? That IS the definition of The Five Moves of Doom, and has been since the beginning. Are you really trying to say that the accurate definition doesn't count because people like you are completely ignorant to it? That's ridiculous.
Just because, in your eyes, the term "five moves of doom" was used incorrectly doesn't take away from the fact that Bret Hart ALWAYS used the same moves and never tailored his offense to the weaknesses/strengths of his opponents.
Which is complete bullshit as well.
Nothing said here so far has proven our point to be absurd. You've listed a bunch of matches and expect us to see something that clearly isn't there. Hart's performances are the same; no amount of rewinding and rewatching can change this fact.
I love ignorant people like you, who think offensive moves are the sole determinant to the quality of a match.
The fact of the matter is that Hart's performances differ greatly, as do the stories he tells in the ring. To deny that is simply being ignorant or a liar. Take your pick.
It makes perfect sense. How is this not obvious? It isn't necessary for Hart to give different performances for his matches to be different. He can do his same old, boring routine while letting his opponents add the spice. It's actually quite a simple concept. Aren't you always the one claiming that your comments fly over people's heads? How can something so low to the ground fly above yours?
When it is completely false, it's hard to wrap my head around it. Call it a quirk I have to not understand flat out lies.
Hart uses The 5 Moves of Doom to set up the finish of the match, but aside from that, his matches are different all the time. And for you to claim matches are different simply because his opponents are different makes absolutely zero sense. If Hart worked the same matches, then the matches he worked with different opponents would be the same.
Unless you're one of those stupid people who gauges the performance in a match simply by the offense moves used. In which case, you really have no credibility in this argument at all.
Also, one's moveset has a LOT to do with the story one tells in the ring.
Completely false.
John Cena is constantly ripped for his moveset, and yet his matches with Umage told different stories than his matches with Shawn Michaels. His match with Lashley was completely different than his match with Triple H. He used the same moveset, but the matches were completely different.
Apply that same theory to Hart.
Look at the matches you listed in your first post. The alleged greatness of three of those four matches have FUCK ALL to do with what Bret Hart did in the ring. His matches with Bulldog, Michaels, and his brother are great because of WWE's production crew, not because of Bret Hart.
I'll let the stupidity of this comment speak for itself.
His match with Bulldog would have been shit without the picture-in-picture of Bulldog's wife's face and her teary promo prior to Summerslam 1992, his match with Michaels would have been shit without the heavy promotion of Michaels' backstory with Jose Lotharia, and his match with Owen would have been shit without months of genius booking from whoever wrote for the WWF back then.
You're right, Bret Hart was just the luckiest son of a bitch in wrestling history.
God tdigle, it amazes me anyone actually respects your opinion of wrestling if you TRULY believe what you're saying here.