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Lesnar

 

[Slyfox696]

I agree with much of what you said about Liddell. He was a beast but only in retrospect. Like you said, he was doing things better than everyone else at the time. He just never evolved at all. Everyone around him got better and he stayed the same.

All of the things that can be said about Liddell though can easily be said of Couture. Really how is it any different? If anything, Randy should get more credit for doing it at an older age and doing it better still than Liddell does it. Couture hasn't lost a step and he's even improved in some areas, Liddell hasn't. I honestly believe if there was a third match between the two Couture would take it.

I never argued against Couture.

What it comes down to is Chuck was fairly one-dimensional, but that one dimension he did very well, AND it allows him to ALWAYS have a chance. He had great takedown defense, and he was always one punch away from winning a fight, and it doesn't matter how much the sport of MMA evolves, getting hit on the button will still knock you out if delivered with enough force.

Chuck may have been one-dimensional, but when it works, why bother with something else? Now that he's older, he probably doesn't have the same snap to his punches, nor the same power behind them, and thus, his quality will drop...but what he does at his age now doesn't change what he once was.

 

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Lesnar

Is the most important thing to happen to mma in a long time.

 

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I never argued against Couture.

What it comes down to is Chuck was fairly one-dimensional, but that one dimension he did very well, AND it allows him to ALWAYS have a chance. He had great takedown defense, and he was always one punch away from winning a fight, and it doesn't matter how much the sport of MMA evolves, getting hit on the button will still knock you out if delivered with enough force.

Chuck may have been one-dimensional, but when it works, why bother with something else? Now that he's older, he probably doesn't have the same snap to his punches, nor the same power behind them, and thus, his quality will drop...but what he does at his age now doesn't change what he once was.

We are in agreement then. What he did, he did extremely well. He had the chance to improve in other areas and just didn't. There could also be a lot of outside forces contributing to his current state like booze and drugs. He wouldn't have lost all of his skills THAT fast after a knockout loss to Evans. He would have kept some of it but as of right now I don't see him even being able to beat guys like Soszynski.

 

[Slyfox696]

We are in agreement then. What he did, he did extremely well. He had the chance to improve in other areas and just didn't. There could also be a lot of outside forces contributing to his current state like booze and drugs. He wouldn't have lost all of his skills THAT fast after a knockout loss to Evans. He would have kept some of it but as of right now I don't see him even being able to beat guys like Soszynski.

Like you said, there could be a LOT of explanations for a decline besides age, including personal issues. The other possibility is simply that he's all fought out. He's had a ton of fights and perhaps he's just reached his limit. Or maybe he reached his limit, and didn't train very hard. I thought he didn't look good in his last couple fights, carrying around an even bigger gut than he had previously.


Maybe having this time off got the spark back in his eyes, and when his next fight (presumably against Ortiz) comes around, he'll look much better.

 

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I doubt he'll look better but you never know I suppose. Ortiz showed against Griffin he has declined but it wasn't a drastic fall from grace. It's a different story for Liddell. Chuck has beaten him twice though, so it's going to be a question whether or not Liddell has fallen enough to where Ortiz is now ahead of him or not.

 

[Slyfox696]

Who are you calling tonight?

 

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Shields by decision, Mousasi by submission and Melendez by either a decision or tko in roud two. The things about these fights is they are all pretty even, at least more so than fights usually are.