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To both of the posters that said it would have hurt Bray more than it would have helped him to beat Cena on one hand I see your point, on the other what WWE and Cena have done for the build up for extreme rules have completely hurt Bray more than him beating Cena ever would. John making fun of the Wyatt family is so damaging it is something that will take someone as talented as Bray to overcome. John has buried many people doing the same thing in the past. It would be like John standing up on stage with The Undertaker in the ring and making fun of his gimmick when he first started.

Bray needs to win at Extreme Rules, end of story.

I think you're missing the entire point of the feud though in that Bray is trying hard to get under Cena's skin and prove he's a fraud and bring out the true side that only "Bray can see"... Cena's making fun of him as a way of deflecting that fact that Bray really is getting under his skin. Cena's bread and butter has always been mocking people, it's nothing new. Wyatt isn't/shouldn't be an exception to the rule. He's a heel at the end of the day and that's what they're there for. Just because he happens to be a dark and brooding heel doesn't mean anything.

Austin and Rock both made fun of Undertaker and Kane throughout their various feuds, and it never hindered them whatsoever. If anything they seemed to be more motivated to inflict harm when they were insulted.

Long story short I think you're hating on Cena a little bit too much considering this is some of the best storytelling he's done in years, and just being associated with him is huge for Wyatt this early into his career. Another factor you're failing to miss is Cena making fun of Wyatt adds a little bit of empathy to the character and garners him more Anti-Cena fans in the gray area of the current WWE. It's never an impossibility that this whole story could be leading to a soft double turn for both guys.
 
To both of the posters that said it would have hurt Bray more than it would have helped him to beat Cena on one hand I see your point, on the other what WWE and Cena have done for the build up for extreme rules have completely hurt Bray more than him beating Cena ever would. John making fun of the Wyatt family is so damaging it is something that will take someone as talented as Bray to overcome. John has buried many people doing the same thing in the past. It would be like John standing up on stage with The Undertaker in the ring and making fun of his gimmick when he first started.

Bray needs to win at Extreme Rules, end of story.

You mean like The Rock did to everyone he faced? I don't think Wyatt was hurt at all. Most fans watch RAW and then don't even think about it until the next one. I also don't understand why people are expecting Cena to be frightened still at this point in the feud. He's beaten Wyatt so now he has the confidence that confidence which will be his downfall at Extreme Rules. I don't see anything wrong with what has happened during this feud however I do see something with the feud itself mostly because I don't why they were paired together in the first place. It just isn't really clicking for me and it didn't when this was rumored to happen a few months ago and it still isn't. However they're trying to enhance Wyatt as a talent and Cena even giving him the time of day in kayfabe is enough to do it much less making him look like an equal so early in his career. Basically, let the feud ride out man don't criticize everything WWE has this under control they wouldn't have written the segment if they didn't know what to do with it. (hopefully)

Edit: You could probably see the above post for a more thought out well put together one.
 
For me Wyatt has been a failure since day one. I've never found him the least bit interesting. His ring work is atrocious, both of his henchmen are even worse, the three of them combined don't have the mic skills of Giant Gonzalez, and together or separately they can't work a match. I watched WrestleMania 30 with a group of 8 people, one of whom was a first-time WWE watcher who became a fan from watching the show. He enjoyed the entire show except for Cena/Wyatt, his opinion of Bray Wyatt sums up the guy completely and I can't believe I never realized it myself: "Wait a second, is this guy supposed to be creepy, or goofy? He's like a damn Looney Toon."
 
I think you're missing the entire point of the feud though in that Bray is trying hard to get under Cena's skin and prove he's a fraud and bring out the true side that only "Bray can see"... Cena's making fun of him as a way of deflecting that fact that Bray really is getting under his skin. Cena's bread and butter has always been mocking people, it's nothing new. Wyatt isn't/shouldn't be an exception to the rule. He's a heel at the end of the day and that's what they're there for. Just because he happens to be a dark and brooding heel doesn't mean anything.

Austin and Rock both made fun of Undertaker and Kane throughout their various feuds, and it never hindered them whatsoever. If anything they seemed to be more motivated to inflict harm when they were insulted.

Long story short I think you're hating on Cena a little bit too much considering this is some of the best storytelling he's done in years, and just being associated with him is huge for Wyatt this early into his career. Another factor you're failing to miss is Cena making fun of Wyatt adds a little bit of empathy to the character and garners him more Anti-Cena fans in the gray area of the current WWE. It's never an impossibility that this whole story could be leading to a soft double turn for both guys.

Name me a feud where Cena has gone into joke mode and didn't come out on top and his opponent looked worse? If they were really booking the Wyatt's getting under John's skin then what they should have done after WM was Cena snapping and showing the "dark side" he showed at WM and him realizing that Wyatt had really done what he set out to do. Instead Super Cena is the same old guy, not changed or bothered at all.

There are far better places they should have taken this feud to really built Wyatt after WM. Also in no fashion should Cena have been winning in his superman fashion in either match.
 
For me Wyatt has been a failure since day one. I've never found him the least bit interesting. His ring work is atrocious, both of his henchmen are even worse, the three of them combined don't have the mic skills of Giant Gonzalez, and together or separately they can't work a match. I watched WrestleMania 30 with a group of 8 people, one of whom was a first-time WWE watcher who became a fan from watching the show. He enjoyed the entire show except for Cena/Wyatt, his opinion of Bray Wyatt sums up the guy completely and I can't believe I never realized it myself: "Wait a second, is this guy supposed to be creepy, or goofy? He's like a damn Looney Toon."

Take a look at The Shield VS The Wyatt family #1 and #2, and Daniel Bryan vs Bray at the Rumble and if you don't think he/they can work a match and isn't one of the best currently in WWE you need to figure out what working a match is.
 
Name me a feud where Cena has gone into joke mode and didn't come out on top and his opponent looked worse? If they were really booking the Wyatt's getting under John's skin then what they should have done after WM was Cena snapping and showing the "dark side" he showed at WM and him realizing that Wyatt had really done what he set out to do. Instead Super Cena is the same old guy, not changed or bothered at all.

There are far better places they should have taken this feud to really built Wyatt after WM. Also in no fashion should Cena have been winning in his superman fashion in either match.

You're a perfect example of a fan that has no patience to watch a story play out. If Wyatt gets what he wants right away and chips all of Cena's resolve away after one month of mind games then that's a pretty dismal story. If/when Wyatt finally gets to Cena it will be the long game as opposed to just a quick out to get Cena some edge. The longer Wyatt works with Cena, the longer he's in the spotlight with the top guy.

As for a match that Cena went into a comedy role and came out on the losing end? How about his match with Rock at Mania 28? He was full on clown mode for most of that feud. Granted he picked up the win in the return match at 29, but he still lost clean in the middle of the ring. He also lost to the Miz at Mania, and went on a pretty big losing streak around that time.

Also, I don't see how making fun of Wyatt's shirt and the way he looks is going into 'full comedy mode'. He made a couple of wise cracks, which I'm sure they'll play up and Wyatt will make him pay for.
 
You're a perfect example of a fan that has no patience to watch a story play out. If Wyatt gets what he wants right away and chips all of Cena's resolve away after one month of mind games then that's a pretty dismal story. If/when Wyatt finally gets to Cena it will be the long game as opposed to just a quick out to get Cena some edge. The longer Wyatt works with Cena, the longer he's in the spotlight with the top guy.

As for a match that Cena went into a comedy role and came out on the losing end? How about his match with Rock at Mania 28? He was full on clown mode for most of that feud. Granted he picked up the win in the return match at 29, but he still lost clean in the middle of the ring. He also lost to the Miz at Mania, and went on a pretty big losing streak around that time.

Also, I don't see how making fun of Wyatt's shirt and the way he looks is going into 'full comedy mode'. He made a couple of wise cracks, which I'm sure they'll play up and Wyatt will make him pay for.

Actually I have been a fan since I was 12 in 93, and love long builds/stories. I was an HBK fan right when I started watching before he became loved, and watching him win the WWF title at WrestleMania 12 was nothing short of amazing considering the journey to that moment. The Bret vs Owen storyline that build for 6 months prior to WrestleMania X was also one of my favorite builds ever.

My point to his is I have zero faith based on how they have proceeded after WM that this will be a 3-6 month program. I will be completely shocked if they are still feuding by the PPV after extreme rules. If I thought in the end that this was going to be a major program that finally ended at Summerslam with Bray looking better than Cena (even if he loses) in the end I would be estatic. Instead Super Cena will rise again at Extreme Rules and The Wyatts will be send back down to the mid card.

I had a feeling you might bring up the Rock program. The Rock looked better than Cena after that 2 year program how. The Rock's character NEVER would have sat up there passing the torch to Cena after being made fun of. In no way shape or form did The Rock come out of that fued looking better than Cena.

Regarding the Miz where is he now?

I have seen these situations with John before. Never does the opponent look stronger than John at the end.

When I am talking about looking better I am talking about how when guys wrestled HBK or Bret Hart in the 90's they always had their best match and never looked weaker than when the program started.
 
Name me a feud where Cena has gone into joke mode and didn't come out on top and his opponent looked worse?.

John Cena's been in the WWE for a decade and every single opponent he's ever been in the ring with, they were stronger for having done so. He has made every single person he's feuded with look better and stronger than they did before they started interacting with him.

You know how you're sick and tired of Cena and his "five moves of doom" and his "super Cena" act and his character in general? Every intelligent wrestling fan is even more sick of these idiots who think he doesn't deserve everything he's been given(he does) and think he's never changed(he has, a lot, multiple times) and think he buries people(he doesn't). Your bitching and complaining is a lot more boring and stale than Cena, believe me.
 
When I am talking about looking better I am talking about how when guys wrestled HBK or Bret Hart in the 90's they always had their best match and never looked weaker than when the program started.

CM Punk for sure came out of his feud with John Cena looking better than when he went in. Batista, Orton, and a host of others have looked better coming out of programs with Cena. And most recently, even though it wasn't a feud, Bryan went over Cena clean to win the WWE title. And none of them got the kind of rub that it felt like Wyatt got in a losing effort to Cena. He came out the next night after Mania and went over Cena and his 2 partners, pinning the IC champion clean off the Sister Abigail.

Yeah, Cena made fun of Wyatt's shirt, his sister, etc. But you're predicting that Wyatt is going to look bad coming out of the feud based on that? I just don't see it. I think Cena will be involved with the Wyatts until Summerslam because there's really no story for him elsewhere(unless they were to book him into a program with Cesaro). They aren't going to inject him into the world title picture because that's filled with Triple H and his pals currently. So yeah, I think Cena/Wyatt has some longevity and legs to it, and they're barely scratching the surface of where they can go with it. I fully expect Wyatt to go over Cena at ER. His match at Mania with Cena proved he could go 'toe-to-toe', and I don't really get the Super Cena citing for that match.
 
Actually I have been a fan since I was 12 in 93, and love long builds/stories. I was an HBK fan right when I started watching before he became loved, and watching him win the WWF title at WrestleMania 12 was nothing short of amazing considering the journey to that moment. The Bret vs Owen storyline that build for 6 months prior to WrestleMania X was also one of my favorite builds ever.

My point to his is I have zero faith based on how they have proceeded after WM that this will be a 3-6 month program. I will be completely shocked if they are still feuding by the PPV after extreme rules. If I thought in the end that this was going to be a major program that finally ended at Summerslam with Bray looking better than Cena (even if he loses) in the end I would be estatic. Instead Super Cena will rise again at Extreme Rules and The Wyatts will be send back down to the mid card.

I had a feeling you might bring up the Rock program. The Rock looked better than Cena after that 2 year program how. The Rock's character NEVER would have sat up there passing the torch to Cena after being made fun of. In no way shape or form did The Rock come out of that fued looking better than Cena.

Regarding the Miz where is he now?

I have seen these situations with John before. Never does the opponent look stronger than John at the end.

When I am talking about looking better I am talking about how when guys wrestled HBK or Bret Hart in the 90's they always had their best match and never looked weaker than when the program started.

Where this Miz is at now has shit all to do with Cena lol. And why would the Rock need to come out of that feud looking better than Cena? The feud was to put Cena over The Rock hasn't worked a match since then, there's no guarantee he'll work another, AND the Rock is already an established star he comes out looking the same either way what a weird thing to say. On the other hand, Edge, Punk, Bryan, Sheamus, Orton in all of their feuds, RVD, Cesaro, Sandow at first before the bad booking, Ziggler etc have all come out of their feuds/matches with Cena looking better than they did going in. Whether they kept that steam on them or not has nothing to do with Cena but in all of those cases a feud with Cena had them looking like a million books when they went into it looking like a thousand at most. I do believe you're a fan that has no patience to let a story play out because you're already hating on this feud one match into it. Let these guys tell their story why would they give the payoff at Mania when they could prolong it and possibly draw more money, heat or fandom for Bray, and heat or fandom for Cena. That would have made absolutely no sense.
 
When I am talking about looking better I am talking about how when guys wrestled HBK or Bret Hart in the 90's they always had their best match and never looked weaker than when the program started.

I'm sure Marty Jannetty and Yokozuna would disagree!

But that's another story,
Just be careful when you make statements

Bottom line, Bray is the opposite of boring and when he gets a bigger reaction the night after a loss i guess that means that he wasn't burried!
 
Honestly I hated the wyatt character, but slowly as the cena fued progressed i started to find it more interesting. But after wrestlemania, the storyline just died. Im not someone to routinely blame cena, he doesnt write storylines im sure, but this should have been a time when he could foresee that him winning at wrestlemania would kill the wyatts momentum and should have given bray the win. When wyatt was talking on raw, I wasnt bored but I just thought it was pointless seeing how they've already made it clear cena is better than him and wont be turned. I dont expect that to change in the steel cage.

I think the character and idea is solid, but thet really need to give the wyatts a top name fued and have them come out on top clearly and use that as a launch pad.

My point to his is I have zero faith based on how they have proceeded after WM that this will be a 3-6 month program. I will be completely shocked if they are still feuding by the PPV after extreme rules. If I thought in the end that this was going to be a major program that finally ended at Summerslam with Bray looking better than Cena (even if he loses) in the end I would be estatic. Instead Super Cena will rise again at Extreme Rules and The Wyatts will be send back down to the mid card.

That is exactly my worry too. I'd love to proved wrong though and hope it plays out a different way.
 
maybe you were not a fan during the wwf 88-92 when there was a clear line between GOOD, BAD, and EVIL.... guys like Jake the Snake Roberts in late 91-92 was pure evil with every word, every act ( snake bite, ruining wedding party, "helping warrior") Undertaker WAS pure evil with paul bearer doing his talking, actions such as putting every jobber in a body bag, "locking warrior in a coffin" Papa Shango placing spells like the one on warrior.

1997 until past few years that changed to just violence with less meaning... "good guys did bad things" no hero just u got cheered or booed by the way you treated the crowd..

now its back to good vs evil..you see CENA like HULK stands strong for his beliefs, while bray wyatt and his followers try hard to break cena into changing, and if they cant then they want to hurt him badly.... works perfect...

Alberto was best as the wealthy mexican aristrocrat, really needs to start that up hard again before he loses his heat all together..

but i do agree they must becareful with their in ring work, del rio slaps his leg for every freakin leg strike any type of kick...it ruins the " superkick" all his offense looks weak to me... then look at Danielson, he wore boots in roh until about last 2 years there cause his throw stiff kicks, now he like many uses kickpads plus they " hit hard in safe places" something steamboat once taught me and another NJ wrestler who made it to wwe and is very successful....funny side thought , i recall that steamboat clinic back in 05 we were both working alot in northeast and steamboat kept completing this one guy because he deserved it " great turnbuckle kid" ricky would yell now we know him as Darren Young and he deserves what he has so much....

back to topic, if u find BRAY boring, that might be good. not sure of ur age, but i remember when i was a kid i found the HEEL JAKE boring, except for his actions... watching back now i understand his words and realize what he meant and what he meant for us to believe

TRUST ME!
 
I find Bray Wyatt is in a constant state of "trying too hard" in his promos... it doesn't work for me. The fake accent thing he does comes across as fake, to me.

The IWC has been jizzing over him since they debuted for reasons that never made sense to me.

It makes me miss Danny Spivey as Waylon Mercy... the Wyatt thing reminded me of that gimmick... but Spivey was just much more convincing.
 
I find Bray Wyatt is in a constant state of "trying too hard" in his promos... it doesn't work for me. The fake accent thing he does comes across as fake, to me.

The IWC has been jizzing over him since they debuted for reasons that never made sense to me.

It makes me miss Danny Spivey as Waylon Mercy... the Wyatt thing reminded me of that gimmick... but Spivey was just much more convincing.

What? I must be reading this wrong.

Trying too hard? Do you know the definition? He's not trying to be intense when he shouldn't he doesn't go over the board as 2 what he says. He's constant and always in control. Come on.

Fake accent? See that's the beauty, he never went out of character, if we never saw him in Nexus we wouldn't know what his real accent is. Please man. His accent is part of the character and completes it well.

The IWC has been jizzing, but so are the casual fans, he brings a reaction, people stay seated when he comes out, he's good. His promos are awesome, Do you realize that he's one of the few that when he comes out (And the Wyatt family) we don't know if they'll win or lose, and yet they look strong as shit, how can you spit on that? It's good TV

I kept the best for last : Waylon Mercy, OMFG, one of the worst gimmick, worst promo guy, worst wrestler ever, maybe you remember him wrong but go watch his matches against Doink, Hardy, Hart, watch his vignettes, they are on youtube. Find me one promo that is better than Wyatt's worst promo and one match that he had that is better than Bray's worst match. When you said the name I was like :"Who the fuck is Waylon Mercy?" then I remembered ... oh no this can be who he's talking about... went on the internet... yes it's him. Holy shit dude, you and I could never watch wrestling together, You would probably debate with me that David Arquette is the best world champion ever.
 
Take a look at The Shield VS The Wyatt family #1 and #2, and Daniel Bryan vs Bray at the Rumble and if you don't think he/they can work a match and isn't one of the best currently in WWE you need to figure out what working a match is.

I've seen all those matches. I've seen every match they've had on TV since coming to the main roster. All three of them are absolutely awful and their characters are absurd. Not one of them has long-term potential.
 
I'm actually surprised reading this thread. I've always thought Bray is one of the real great talents on the roster. He's playing a character that could easily start to drift into the cheezey territory but so far his great mic work and acting has keep it inbounds. I even see a little Jake Roberts in his eyes. He has some room for improvement in the ring but as others have said the guy is 26!. He's a very very talented dude and I see him being a star for many years to come.
 
Borderline embarrassing to read some of the posts in here.

Are we really afraid of change? Are we really afraid of this 'reality' era which has been dubbed by Triple H? We've had quite an influx on new, and FRESH talent these last couple of years, and the vision of NXT is really coming to fruition.

Sure, everyone is entitled to their opinion. But honestly, what more do the Bray Wyatt bashers want? Does every wrestler have to be some type of thoroughbred, chiseled specimen of a man? Bray Wyatt is an individual. He provides something DIFFERENT. Let him do him, you don't necessarily have to like it. But appreciate and understand why most fans find the Wyatt family a breath of fresh air. As mentioned, the guy is only 26 years old, but is cutting promos with the experience of a 15 year vet.

I firmly believe that when the time comes, he will have the capability to switch up his gimmick, or just make small alterations if needed.
 
I don't see how the "act" can truly be labeled as a failure quite yet. It's the evolution-no pun intended- of that act that truly is what determines its success or failure.

I'm not going to buy into the argument that "In another era"... It doesn't matter what Wyatt would have done in another era, it's essential what he does in this one. While he may not have a shelf-life along the lines of Kane or Undertaker(time will tell), that doesn't mean he can't carve out a nice career for himself with this gimmick. He already got a match with John Cena at Wrestlemania, and it sure wasn't because of his wrestling ability. Put him back in a pair of trunks and he's in a tag team where he says nothing and kicks ass. That's it.

We've seen the evolution of Bray Wyatt's character, and unsurprisingly, that's been during his feud with John Cena. He's gone from being cryptic to specific. He's called Cena a liar who's sustained his popularity only through spouting off promises he fails to live up to. Instead of the "The Devil made me do it" lines he aimed at Daniel Bryan and CM Punk, he's been much more specific in his verbal barrages of Cena. He's targeted "Hustle Loyalty and Respect", and that if he pushes Cena too far, he can bring out the character in him that no one else ever has. Motives weren't made as clear during the past Wyatt family feuds, save for the Shield. Despite the cryptic nature of Bray's promos, he's been entirely specific when it comes to Cena. That shows the growth-and dare I say it- the evolution of the character even more.

Something else I like about the Wyatt character is that he seems to exist in a universe separated from the rest of the heels and the rest of the roster. Where was he in the handicap match against the Shield on Monday? Surely, someone who's had problems with the Shield before would be out there, correct? But this isn't his problem, so regardless of what feuds may be going on around him, he's not a par of it until it bothers him. Kane, Bryan, Punk, The Shield and Cena have all been problematic for Wyatt, but being that the Shield aren't a current problem, I couldn't imagine him hanging on the ring apron, waiting for a tag. His(and the Family's) characters have evolved to a place where they don't have to do such things. HHH's bidding isn't important to them, which shows the evolution of a great character: They're able to live in worlds parallel to their own, yet manage to pass through like a ship in the night. I'll handle my business, thank you, you handle yours. I like that, personally.

It's been almost a year since the Wyatt's debuted in WWE, and they're still one of the most fascinating acts I've seen in some time. One of my favorite? No. But Luke Harper is one of the best big men in the business, and he makes the most of his limited promo time. Bray is perfect for the carnival sideshow that is the WWE. The entity of his act is that he doesn't always make sense, but he's able to tie nicely whatever story he's telling back to the focus of the promo. Like a preacher, (or a mystery writer), he's able to take pieces that seemingly don't make sense and tie them in to a succinct point by the time he's finished.

It's what he's done thus far in targeting Cena's legacy, and I think he's been wildly successful.

Is anyone else bored with Bray Wyatt? He's done the same little routine for as long as he has been around and it has grown tiresome. His character doesn't even make any sense. "I'm a monster, you're a monster, the fans are monsters" over and over and over again.
You're not paying much attention if you believe this is all he's saying. He's said this for part of the Cena feud, but during little else. He didn't talk about bringing the "monster" out of Bryan, the Shield, or Punk during their brief feud. Some of what he's saying isn't supposed to make sense, that's what happens with someone making unsubstantiated claims. I truly don't understand the boredom, but to each their own.

What is he accomplishing? Am I really supposed to believe that someone with his beliefs would be touring the world with a professional wrestling company? And how can I as a viewer buy everything that he is selling when he is so poor with his facial expressions and body language. He comes off more like an obnoxious gym teacher than some "believer".
Either you're trolling, or you've lost touch, Georgie. So much of what has made Wyatt so successful interacting with others are his facial expressions. The maniacal grin. The fake look of disbelief. The silent laugh. He uses physical facial expressions when cutting a promo better then anyone in the WWE right now. As for why he'ld be touring with a professional wrestling company? The same reason Punk didn't quit when he formed the SES back in 2009. A heckuva lot of people tune in every week, and he travels to a different venue every week to spread his message.

Sounds like a televangelist, doesn't it?

Then there is his ring work. Where do I start? Every move it looks his opponent is doing all the heavy lifting. Sister Abigail seems like the kind of move that hurts him more than his opponent. An opponent that he wastes time kissing. And the spider thing is cute but now that we've seen it over and over again with his other three moves how about someone just kicks him in the head instead of just staring at him.
As for him in the ring, he's changed his style. It's reckless, manic, and ruthless, devoid of routine. As time goes by, I'm sure, opponents will kick Wyatt in the head when he's doing the spider walk, just as many of the top talent that feud with Cena do the same to him when he's going for the 5-knuckle shuffle. The point of his moveset -and JBL pointed this out nicely at Wrestlemania- is that he doesn't necessarily have one. It fits his character to be the things I mentioned above. Reckless, manic, ruthless, devoid of routine.

But every wrestler has to develop some kind of moveset, and with Wyatt, the Spider act is part of it. If people started swatting it away with a kick already, it would be tough to establish as part of his repertoire, don't you think?

It is time that the guy made a change.
In what way? To what? It's easy to say, another to actually back it up. While he's not my favorite act, what he's doing is working. It's well-received. You said there are times fan don't know what to make of him, and isn't that the point? If someone is supposed to be cryptic, a part of that means he doesn't make sense. He's been that way since Day 1.

Perhaps you'ld like him to revert to his NXT Season 2 days, the 'Army Tank with the Ferrari Engine?'

They've found a great role for him. Not only is he cutting good promos and having good matches, but the Wyatt Family is as unique as they come. It's refreshing, to be honest.
 
What? I must be reading this wrong.

Trying too hard? Do you know the definition? He's not trying to be intense when he shouldn't he doesn't go over the board as 2 what he says. He's constant and always in control. Come on.

Fake accent? See that's the beauty, he never went out of character, if we never saw him in Nexus we wouldn't know what his real accent is. Please man. His accent is part of the character and completes it well.

The IWC has been jizzing, but so are the casual fans, he brings a reaction, people stay seated when he comes out, he's good. His promos are awesome, Do you realize that he's one of the few that when he comes out (And the Wyatt family) we don't know if they'll win or lose, and yet they look strong as shit, how can you spit on that? It's good TV

I kept the best for last : Waylon Mercy, OMFG, one of the worst gimmick, worst promo guy, worst wrestler ever, maybe you remember him wrong but go watch his matches against Doink, Hardy, Hart, watch his vignettes, they are on youtube. Find me one promo that is better than Wyatt's worst promo and one match that he had that is better than Bray's worst match. When you said the name I was like :"Who the fuck is Waylon Mercy?" then I remembered ... oh no this can be who he's talking about... went on the internet... yes it's him. Holy shit dude, you and I could never watch wrestling together, You would probably debate with me that David Arquette is the best world champion ever.

Wasn't talking about Waylon Mercy's in ring ability, I was talking about his ability to portray that character which is much more convincing than Brays. And yes, when I watch his promos I find him more believable than Bray by about a mile. Obviously Spivey was old and beat to hell when he played that character so his in ring ability wasn't there.

And as far as the fake accent, when your accent changes every time you cut a promo you can tell it is fake.

Your friends must love watching wrestling with you though, if every time you like someone they don't you accuse them of liking David Arquette as champ!
 
I like the Wyatt Family if only for the fact that they are wrestlers with actual characters, not generic cocky heels or bland high-fiving babyfaces that look like they came out of a JC Penny catalog.

That being said, anyone who says things like "Bray Wyatt is a thinking man's wrestler" is also an idiot. His promos are random nonsense and always have been. But I'd rather have him spout random nonsense that he came up with himself than generic lines fed to him by the writers that make him sound like everyone else on the roster. His promos at least feel like there's some passion behind them even if the point of them isn't clear.
 
I think it's time I spit some truth in here;

A. Bray Wyatt wouldn't have survived in the Hogan era. He looks like a star now, but if he were in the era of Hulk Hogan, he wouldn't have the talent to make it. When you had such great heel fatties as One Man Gang, Kamala, and Andre, Bray would look like a joke. He's a star because if the PG Era, and the PG Era is the absolute worst time for the business aspect of pro wrestling.

B. Anyone can look great with the people Bray's been working with. Wyatt got to work with CM Punk, Daniel Bryan, The Shield, and John Cena. Of course he's going to look good. Remember when he was working with Kane and R Truth? I do, because it was bollocks. Bray needs to give his spot to fresh heels like The Miz. That would shake things up.

C. Bray was out in a high match at Wrestlemania with one of the greatest draws in WWE. They drew 400,000 buys. Dude does not draw an audience.

D. He doesn't look like a monster... He looks like a methhead.

Yeah, Bray's rather shit.
Bray and work a character, yes he would have been over in the 80s.

True about working with great workers, but he's learning. His character work is above most. Also, Miz is not fresh.

Point C is borderline trolling. 400,000 buys when it's split with the Network. Second, Bray/Cena wasn't the big draw, that was DB followed by Taker/Lessie

D. Methheads are scary. They are unpredictable, dangerous, and strange.


Personally I like Bray. He's very different from the rest of the roster and his in ring work has gotten drastically better. Daniel Bryan and Cena are great in ring storytellers but gotta give some credit to Bray.
 
I've seen all those matches. I've seen every match they've had on TV since coming to the main roster. All three of them are absolutely awful and their characters are absurd. Not one of them has long-term potential.

What the hell are you smoking? Those matches were match-of-the-year quality matches. You obviously don't have a clue what a "good match" is.
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Bray Wyatt is very good. Great promo and in ring talent. He debuted last year, still a lot to progress but the potential is here. Hopefully WWE keep investing in him because the payoff will be there at the end of the day.
However, his feud with Cena is disappointing but it is not Bray Wyatt's fault. They should have a perfect Antagonist-Protagonist relationship but I just cannot see the chemistry here. Cena proves once again that out of his element, he simply flat out sucks. His promo last week was awful and a complete gimmick killer. He did it again before wrestlemania and his whole "i am scared of Bray Wyatt" thing it not have an inch of good acting into it. Just like some years ago, Cena acted as a gimmick killer to Del Rio by pointing out he loans his cars, Cena is doing the same thing with Bray Wyatt. And the worst thing? He is simply not funny! Cena is WWE's main man but a feud with him may end up to be more destructive than constructive.

New guys need time to establish themselves, Bray Wyatt is doing very good so far. He'll be ok.
Bray was out in a high match at Wrestlemania with one of the greatest draws in WWE. They drew 400,000 buys. Dude does not draw an audience.
What a terrible point to make. Let's just ignore that more than 650 000 people actually bought the WWE network and most of them (if not all) probably watch wrestlemania XXX, right? Mind you, I am not saying that the fact that WM XXX will probably be among the most watched wrestlemania of all time when all the figures (network, domestic and international buys) are combined is because of Bray Wyatt. I am just saying that your point is just a bad one. The days of the traditional PPV buys analysis are dead and buried. This is one of the reasons why the WWE network business model is such a good one.
 

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