Here's why Cesaro LOSING the match against Sheamus was a good thing....

[Steve-O-Matt]

So Payback last night... was actually really good. On paper it looked like it was going to suck, but even Cena's match wasn't bad! The one thing I've been seeing around is people complaining Cesaro's roll-up was bull and that he was buried, bla'h, bla'h, bla'h... Look, the finishe to that match was perfect and here's the reasons why:

1) Having a roll-up pin on Cesaro doesn't make him look weak. I know what you're thinking "But if he lost with a simple roll-up, that makes him look like he can lose to anything!" I disagree, a roll-up makes it look like a momentary lapse of judgement, which looks a LOT better than him laying there selling a Brogue Kick for the 3 minutes post match. At the end of the match, he and Heyman were in the ring looking mad. Did he look weak there? Or would you rather he roll around on the floor as Sheamus panders to the crowd?

2) He doesn't NEED the US Championship. Look at the people who have won the title before? When was the last time the title had anything to do with them being pushed to the top? Because the last one I remember was The Miz and that was years ago, so why do you want Cesaro to hold onto this anchor? He's the winner of the Andre Battle Royal AND has Paul Heyman in his corner. I don't want Cesaro to start being greedy, he's already got more than enough going for him to get to the top.

3) Him winning, would mean no main events for Cesaro. Seriously think about it, when was the last time a IC or US Champion had a fight for the world championship? If Ultimate Warrior just popped into your head first than you've just proven my point. If he won the title, he would have been stuck in the midcard and he would NOT be having a good reign. If he won the title, all he'd be doing for the next few months is WWE's way of trying to make people look good... fighting jobbers! I guarentee it would have been R-Truth vs. Cesaro for the title at MitB, do you guys want to see that? I sure as hell don't! Failing that Mark Henry. As long as he doesn't have a midcard title there's a chance he can still challenge for the world championship. See Elimination Chamber for details. Who's to say there won't be a match for the vacant title at MitB with say 5 guys and Cesaro earns a spot in that match? I know I'd much rather the chance of that happening than Cesaro defending the US title against face jobber #27.

And here's a couple of personal reasons why I liked the ending:

1) It didn't end with a finisher. On one of my previous threads I talked about how having every match end with a finisher was predictable and lame. It's just people waiting around, rolling their eyes at every pin attempt just waiting for someone to hit their finisher. This match was refreshing.

2) There's sill the possibility of Sheamus and Barrett unifying the titles! Now I'm not going to spark that debate again, but this match I really want to see, hence why I want Sheamus to hold out for a while.

 

[Jack-Hammer]

I've got no problem whatsoever with Sheamus retaining the title. Week after week, people come to the forums and bitch to High Heaven about how much they want to see more prominence put on the mid-card titles, how the mid-card champions should be booked to have more relevance, how the mid-card champions should be given strong & sustained pushes, etc. Well, as of right now at least, that's what they're getting. Can't guarantee that Vince won't change his mind next week, but it's what we're getting for now.

If Sheamus had dropped the title last night, it wouldn't be long before someone would start a thread or post a comment in some existing thread about how it was a waste of time putting the title on Sheamus in the first place. It's a POV I pretty much agree with because Sheamus has generally been one of the strongest upper mid-card to main event guys in WWE over the past 3 or 4 years. As a result, he's somebody that could be used to elevate the lagging United States Championship and the only way that happens is if he's given a strong, sustained run as champion rather than dropping it less than 30 days after winning it.

 

[Mustang Sally]

I liked the result because it defied logic pertaining to the "usual" way WWE runs it's storylines. Before the match, we knew Cesaro was on a push while Sheamus was losing cleanly to people he used to defeat. Therefore, I figured Cesaro comes out the winner....hopefully, in a hard-fought, competitive match instead of a star vehicle for Cesaro that reduces Sheamus to an enhancement talent.

Instead, Sheamus comes out unexpectedly on top. Cesaro isn't hurt at all by this.....after all, there's no hurry in his eventual rise to the top...... and Sheamus once again solidifies his standing as a upper-midcard/occasional main event level performer.

If nothing else, this one crosses up those forum members who always claim to know exactly what WWE is going to do. Sure, they're still going to claim it in regards to this match ("Fuck, yeah! I knew for an absolute fact Sheamus was gonna win.") but at least it gives one pause to think.

Very enjoyable contest.

 

[OYDK]

The ending of the match was booked perfectly imo. I would have been VERY upset if Cesaro had won the US title last night, thus anchoring him to the mid-card division for at least another couple months, but the ending allows Sheamus to "win the fight" while Cesaro essentially wins the war because he was cheated/screwed/not beaten "cleanly, etc. Now Sheamus can go on with his mid-card title and Cesaro can move on to bigger and better things.

Btw, the people who are calling that a burial and a weak ending don't have that much intellect when it comes to the intricacies of wrestling. You should just ignore that crap.

 

[Un-Bo-Lievable Jeff]

The ending of the match was booked perfectly imo. I would have been VERY upset if Cesaro had won the US title last night, thus anchoring him to the mid-card division for at least another couple months, but the ending allows Sheamus to "win the fight" while Cesaro essentially wins the war because he was cheated/screwed/not beaten "cleanly, etc. Now Sheamus can go on with his mid-card title and Cesaro can move on to bigger and better things.

Btw, the people who are calling that a burial and a weak ending don't have that much intellect when it comes to the intricacies of wrestling. You should just ignore that crap.

If Cesaro was Cheated/Screwed/Not beaten cleanly, surely he would want retribution in a rematch because of how he was beaten? If he is going to move on anyway, why was he so wound up after the match?

 

[NickRude]

i agree with you 100% in the fact if he won it would have hurt him.

i remember thinking to myself that match would probably open the show,and that if he won the title its almost like a step backwards lol..the only way to make those 2 midcard titles worth a damn is unifying them..bringing back a different color strap, a different face plate etc etc all that crap they do is just useless as long as they keep giving it to a midcard to then proceeds to hold it as a prop for 6 months to a year including Cesaro in his original run with it.

Ambrose never really needed it after the Shield lost the tag titles and that just goes to show u how much WWE gave a shit bout that title letting it sit on his waist for 6 months longer.

Sheamus might be the one to restore credibility although i doubt it.

HOWEVER..i think WWE has something with Barrett being champ..im interested to see what they do with him tonight..RVD round 2?

 

[King502]

MITB is around the corner so chance of winning should b good and he doesn't need the us strap holding him down or back

 

[maloney414]

MITB is around the corner so chance of winning should b good and he doesn't need the us strap holding him down or back

I agree completely. He should win MITB and get into the main title picture. He should be on his way to the next level, and the US title is mid-card status in WWE.

Plus, Daniel Bryan needs a better opponent than Kane.... No one wants to see Kane as champ, we want more exciting title matches for DB. Get Cesaro up there if the other main event guys don't want to put over DB.

 

[AfflictionRoten]

Here's something that could potentially happen: Cesaro goes on to win MITB, building his character up to a top tier contender for the WWEWHC Championship, then have DB drop the title at Summerslam to the returning Brock Lesnar. Right after the match, Cesaro cashes in on his fellow Paul Heyman guy. Boom, Cesaro is pushed to the top and gets a huge face turn at the same time

 

[maloney414]

Here's something that could potentially happen: Cesaro goes on to win MITB, building his character up to a top tier contender for the WWEWHC Championship, then have DB drop the title at Summerslam to the returning Brock Lesnar. Right after the match, Cesaro cashes in on his fellow Paul Heyman guy. Boom, Cesaro is pushed to the top and gets a huge face turn at the same time

That seems to be the popular theory. I wouldn't do it if I'm booking though.

When Brock gets beat, it should be clean to pass that cred to the next superstar and put THEM over.

I think when Brock vs ? happens it should be well hyped as the underdog vs Brock and have that superstar beat Brock cleanly to pass that torch.

Brock vs DB sounds good to me if DB wins. Even if its similar to how Shamus won last night with a quick roll up.

If Brock takes the title from DB, DB needs to win a rematch cleanly.

Brock vs Cesaro sounds ok to me, but they aren't there yet storyline wise. It needs more time.

 

[AfflictionRoten]

I totally agree with you and also believe it should happen in a fashion similar to that that you just stated, BUT creative is all too familiar with pushing new talent too fast.

 

[kadroan]

So Payback last night... was actually really good. On paper it looked like it was going to suck, but even Cena's match wasn't bad! The one thing I've been seeing around is people complaining Cesaro's roll-up was bull and that he was buried, bla'h, bla'h, bla'h... Look, the finishe to that match was perfect and here's the reasons why:

1) Having a roll-up pin on Cesaro doesn't make him look weak. I know what you're thinking "But if he lost with a simple roll-up, that makes him look like he can lose to anything!" I disagree, a roll-up makes it look like a momentary lapse of judgement, which looks a LOT better than him laying there selling a Brogue Kick for the 3 minutes post match. At the end of the match, he and Heyman were in the ring looking mad. Did he look weak there? Or would you rather he roll around on the floor as Sheamus panders to the crowd?

2) He doesn't NEED the US Championship. Look at the people who have won the title before? When was the last time the title had anything to do with them being pushed to the top? Because the last one I remember was The Miz and that was years ago, so why do you want Cesaro to hold onto this anchor? He's the winner of the Andre Battle Royal AND has Paul Heyman in his corner. I don't want Cesaro to start being greedy, he's already got more than enough going for him to get to the top.

3) Him winning, would mean no main events for Cesaro. Seriously think about it, when was the last time a IC or US Champion had a fight for the world championship? If Ultimate Warrior just popped into your head first than you've just proven my point. If he won the title, he would have been stuck in the midcard and he would NOT be having a good reign. If he won the title, all he'd be doing for the next few months is WWE's way of trying to make people look good... fighting jobbers! I guarentee it would have been R-Truth vs. Cesaro for the title at MitB, do you guys want to see that? I sure as hell don't! Failing that Mark Henry. As long as he doesn't have a midcard title there's a chance he can still challenge for the world championship. See Elimination Chamber for details. Who's to say there won't be a match for the vacant title at MitB with say 5 guys and Cesaro earns a spot in that match? I know I'd much rather the chance of that happening than Cesaro defending the US title against face jobber #27.

And here's a couple of personal reasons why I liked the ending:

1) It didn't end with a finisher. On one of my previous threads I talked about how having every match end with a finisher was predictable and lame. It's just people waiting around, rolling their eyes at every pin attempt just waiting for someone to hit their finisher. This match was refreshing.

2) There's sill the possibility of Sheamus and Barrett unifying the titles! Now I'm not going to spark that debate again, but this match I really want to see, hence why I want Sheamus to hold out for a while.

I had no problem with the finish. The worst thing they could have done was give Cesaro the US title again. He held it two years for a pretty lengthy reign. If anything, they did the best they could.

I'm hoping they end their feud soon so Cesaro can move to compete for the MITB while Sheamus could put over somebody like Bray Wyatt. It wouldn't surprise me to see The Wyatt Family with all the gold like The Shield did last year.