Hell in a Cell 2014

[future admin]

You complain about Rollins losing heat, but the Ambrose Wyatt feud is a situation that neither can afford to lose. Wyatt has lost how many feuds this year? Ambrose can't afford to lose two feuds in a row as the most over active wrestler at the moment.

 

[#tamale]

You complain about Rollins losing heat, but the Ambrose Wyatt feud is a situation that neither can afford to lose. Wyatt has lost how many feuds this year? Ambrose can't afford to lose two feuds in a row as the most over active wrestler at the moment.

 

[The Holy One]

You complain about Rollins losing heat, but the Ambrose Wyatt feud is a situation that neither can afford to lose. Wyatt has lost how many feuds this year? Ambrose can't afford to lose two feuds in a row as the most over active wrestler at the moment.

1, he only lost that one feud to Cena in 3 great matches. He beat Jericho twice and beat Bryan. Also, the Wyatt Family got the better of the Shield. He's had a pretty good year despite what people may think has happened.

 

[klunderbunker]

You complain about Rollins losing heat, but the Ambrose Wyatt feud is a situation that neither can afford to lose. Wyatt has lost how many feuds this year? Ambrose can't afford to lose two feuds in a row as the most over active wrestler at the moment.

He isn't the most over active wrestler at the moment and never has been close to it.

Ambrose can lose the feud and bounce back. I seem to recall a certain bald headed rebel losing pretty much every feud he was in for about a year then becoming the biggest star ever about a year later. People are going to cheer that rebellious attitude all day as long as he's protected and that's what happened tonight.

 

[FlexAmerican Dynamite]

Orton is a bigger heel than he is at the moment, as is Paul Heyman.

That briefcase isn't as powerful as you think it is. Look what happened when a guy who lost almost all the time used it to win the world title. I don't exactly see Jack Swagger with a rocket on his back from it anymore do you? Rollins is going to be a big deal and they're treating him like one. Ambrose is a guy who can bounce back with his actions and talking because the fans are going to cheer him no matter what he does. Heels have a harder time doing that, especially when Rollins has to tone down his best assets to be a heel.

Heyman's not a wrestler and Orton gets cheered whenever he hits his finisher and unless he's trying really hard like Monday gets a better reaction than most faces.

Heels don't need to have their actions speak for them, especially ones that have corporate stooges. He wins almost every match that's not against Ambrose clean, he doesn't need the audience to feel he's capable of winning on his own. His gimmick is that he's got back up no matter what. Losing once wouldn't have changed him being booed.

 

[Alastor]

And tonight helped get Rollins to that level. Starting to catch on now?

How did it help him get to that level when he was already there? He's chickenshit heel stuff the past half a year has already made people want to see him get beat every time.

Bryan lost cleanly to Wyatt at the rumble. Did it hurt Bryan or elevate Wyatt? It was to end their feud.

The only logical argument you can defend tonight's booking is WWE don't want the feud to end but is afraid of how stale it will be if they carry on for another month or so.

 

[klunderbunker]

Heyman's not a wrestler and Orton gets cheered whenever he hits his finisher and unless he's trying really hard like Monday gets a better reaction than most faces.

Heels don't need to have their actions speak for them, especially ones that have corporate stooges. He wins almost every match that's not against Ambrose clean, he doesn't need the audience to feel he's capable of winning on his own. His gimmick is that he's got back up no matter what. Losing once wouldn't have changed him being booed.

No but he's the most over heel on the roster. The biggest heel in the company during the biggest period ever wasn't a wrestler and that turned out quite well I'd say. As for getting cheered most of the time, based on that logic, Cena has been a heel for the last eight years.

He'd still get booed, but the heat would be weakened. You don't do that to a guy who is about to get a big Wrestlemania push. The heels win at first, then get what's coming to them on the big stage. That's basic wrestling logic.

 

[future admin]

Active as in not injured

He isn't the most over active wrestler at the moment and never has been close to it.

At this point in time who is more over than him?

 

[Thriller Ant]

Active as in not injured

His point














Your head

 

[The Holy One]

I can't believe people are honestly saying that b/c the way it ended that this feud didn't help anyone involved. This one feud helped two men whose match 3 months ago was just the mid-card special and turned it into the fucking main event of a PPV that also included John Cena vs Randy Orton inside the Cell. I'd say they're quite better off than what they used to be.

 

[klunderbunker]

How did it help him get to that level when he was already there? He's chickenshit heel stuff the past half a year has already made people want to see him get beat every time.

Bryan lost cleanly to Wyatt at the rumble. Did it hurt Bryan or elevate Wyatt? It was to end their feud.

The only logical argument you can defend tonight's booking is WWE don't want the feud to end but is afraid of how stale it will be if they carry on for another month or so.

When has Rollins been cowardly? People wanting to see him get beaten up is good but if you beat him early then there's less interest in seeing him lose later.

Actually yeah it did help Wyatt. He beat the hottest guy in the company and looked like a killer. I'd call that helping him.

....why wouldn't they want it to end? It's done and this was the blowoff. They even have stuff set up for the guys already.

 

[klunderbunker]

Active as in not injured



At this point in time who is more over than him?

Well there's this guy from Massachusetts who is one of the biggest stars ever.

 

[klunderbunker]

I can't believe people are honestly saying that b/c the way it ended that this feud didn't help anyone involved. This one feud helped two men whose match 3 months ago was just the mid-card special and turned it into the fucking main event of a PPV that also included John Cena vs Randy Orton inside the Cell. I'd say they're quite better off than what they used to be.

Score one for the man from Atlanta.

 

[Poop Master Flex]

Ok then. Educate me. How does this hurt a lot of people?

Because if you constantly try and protect no one gets elevated and it does no favors for anyone. The only 2 guys they try and protect is Cena and Reigns, everyone else besides Lesnar is treated like a warm body, not a star.

It's the same reason why guys like Ryback fell through the floor instead of becoming a star, something he was more than capable of. It shows they have no direction, it shows they have no clue where they are going with their programming because they can't commit to anything.

Protecting everyone keeps them on the same level and when everyone's the same no one's perceived as a star. If everyone is a star, no one is a star.

 

[FlexAmerican Dynamite]

No but he's the most over heel on the roster. The biggest heel in the company during the biggest period ever wasn't a wrestler and that turned out quite well I'd say. As for getting cheered most of the time, based on that logic, Cena has been a heel for the last eight years.

He'd still get booed, but the heat would be weakened. You don't do that to a guy who is about to get a big Wrestlemania push. The heels win at first, then get what's coming to them on the big stage. That's basic wrestling logic.

He's not on television week to week plus unless he's trying very hard is cheered half the time based off respect alone. But this is digressing, Rollins is obviously the guy that's being positioned as the top heel you're suppose to hate on a long term basis.

Heat weakening/rising isn't something you can measure based off one loss especially considering they're not in front of the same audience every week. He isn't Rusev who depends on staying undefeated he's the guy that's already lost clean to Roman Reigns and is still extremely hate able. In the end wins and losses don't matter, in fact nothing from September to December matters, it just would've been better for Ambrose to win here.

 

[Alastor]

I can't believe people are honestly saying that b/c the way it ended that this feud didn't help anyone involved. This one feud helped two men whose match 3 months ago was just the mid-card special and turned it into the fucking main event of a PPV that also included John Cena vs Randy Orton inside the Cell. I'd say they're quite better off than what they used to be.

I think the argument is it could have been better and not that it didn't help. Like if this was a finish to the feud let there be a clean finish and let the two of them move on to new storylines.

No need for this BS finish to leave everything hanging. This is the reason why Cena gets so much hate from how he is booked.

 

[klunderbunker]

Because if you constantly try and protect no one gets elevated and it does no favors for anyone. The only 2 guys they try and protect is Cena and Reigns, everyone else besides Lesnar is treated like a warm body, not a star.

It's the same reason why guys like Ryback fell through the floor instead of becoming a star, something he was more than capable of. It shows they have no direction, it shows they have no clue where they are going with their programming because they can't commit to anything.

Protecting everyone keeps them on the same level and when everyone's the same no one's perceived as a star. If everyone is a star, no one is a star.

Rollins isn't treated like a star? He's beating up Randy Orton and winning a PPV main event. That's star treatment if I've ever seen it.

Actually Ryback lost his star power because Rock had to take the title off Punk and they never pulled the trigger on him. That's a case of them having a set direction instead of no direction.

Protecting everyone is what keeps people like Ambrose from being like Ryback. It's smart and actually forward thinking instead of just giving Ambrose a win because he's getting cheered now.

 

[klunderbunker]

He's not on television week to week plus unless he's trying very hard is cheered half the time based off respect alone. But this is digressing, Rollins is obviously the guy that's being positioned as the top heel you're suppose to hate on a long term basis.

Heat weakening/rising isn't something you can measure based off one loss especially considering they're not in front of the same audience every week. He isn't Rusev who depends on staying undefeated he's the guy that's already lost clean to Roman Reigns and is still extremely hate able. In the end wins and losses don't matter, in fact nothing from September to December matters, it just would've been better for Ambrose to win here.

Rollins is now the owner's son-in-law or daughter? Because it's fairly clear they're the ones you want to hate more than anyone else.

If nothing from September to December matters, why have you been arguing this all night and still been wrong about it?

 

[klunderbunker]

I think the argument is it could have been better and not that it didn't help. Like if this was a finish to the feud let there be a clean finish and let the two of them move on to new storylines.

No need for this BS finish to leave everything hanging. This is the reason why Cena gets so much hate from how he is booked.

The only people left hanging are people who don't understand that feuds end and others begin. Not everything is a cliffhanger.

 

[L@RISANO]

For Mania, I was actually thinking Rollins before HIAC happened. Seth has always talking about being the future while Cena says he runs the place and Seth cost Cena the match at NOC.

I was thinking Orton - Rollins at Mania. With Orton passing on his 'heel' torch to Rollins. Even HHH compared the two in the backstage segment they had today.

This Mania has loads of possible combinations especially when Reigns and Bryan return.

 

[Alastor]

When has Rollins been cowardly? People wanting to see him get beaten up is good but if you beat him early then there's less interest in seeing him lose later.

He's been running from fights and using classic heel tactics with henchmen? You say like Rollins hasn't been losing. He has lost matches but people still want to see him get beat.

Actually yeah it did help Wyatt. He beat the hottest guy in the company and looked like a killer. I'd call that helping him.

Yeah except none of his subsequent feuds really needed that. Or help change any perception of him being the creepy guys that attack random faces to start feuds.

....why wouldn't they want it to end? It's done and this was the blowoff. They even have stuff set up for the guys already.

The point exactly. If this was the blowoff it sucks.

 

[Alastor]

The only people left hanging are people who don't understand that feuds end and others begin. Not everything is a cliffhanger.

Not with a random Wyatt with no interest in who wins interrupting for no reason in a personal feud.

 

[FlexAmerican Dynamite]

Rollins is now the owner's son-in-law or daughter? Because it's fairly clear they're the ones you want to hate more than anyone else.

If nothing from September to December matters, why have you been arguing this all night and still been wrong about it?

Keywords being positioned as, everyone you're mentioning isn't active and are not the future of the company.

It hasn't been all night, probably an hour at best. Much like you I'm on a wrestling forum and are stating an opinion that much like yours isn't right or wrong, but a hell of a lot less self-indulgent.

 

[klunderbunker]

He's been running from fights and using classic heel tactics with henchmen? You say like Rollins hasn't been losing. He has lost matches but people still want to see him get beat.

I seem to remember him attacking Ambrose when he has the numbers advantage and putting him out for a month using his finishing move. Running from a crazy man and using your numbers advantage to fight doesn't make you a coward. It makes you smart.

Yeah except none of his subsequent feuds really needed that. Or help change any perception of him being the creepy guys that attack random faces to start feuds.

Without that win he doesn't feud with Cena because he's a babbling guy that beat Kane six months earlier. With that win he's a guy that pinned the next World Champion at one of the biggest shows of the year, making him a worthy foe for Cena.

The point exactly. If this was the blowoff it sucks.

Not really but I'm half asleep and you're making this too easy for me so I'll spare you an explanation you won't grasp again.

 

[Nate DaMac]

So is most of the nonsense you babble on about but let's get this over with.

So you admit that it's ridiculous? Choose your words carefully.

Rollins was elevated as he won in his first solo PPV main event and Ambrose is now the second biggest face in the company. If that's not elevation, I don't know what you want.

I'm not buying it. I think putting Ambrose over here would do big things for him while a loss wouldn't hurt Rollins in the slightest. He's starting his feud with Orton anyway which, from a credibility standpoint, is already a big step up.

Maybe I'm over-estimating what it could have done for Ambrose but I'm 100% certain that a loss would have zero effect on Rollins.