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Zeven_Zion
You do realize that sponsors were leaving WWE in droves because of the shit Vince McMahon pulled in that era, and likely set the WWE back by years, right?
But yes, WWE got high ratings during the time of Stone Cold and The Rock, so clearly misogyny and beating women works.
Grow the fuck up.
In virtually no other form of scripted entertainment is a group of thirty men surrounding a middle aged woman, kissing her against her will, and then beating her up depicted as a babyface spot.
That's the difference. That. Right there. So don't even try to boil it down to a very generic description of what occurred, without looking at the entire goddamn context.
1) You're meant to cheer for it. They intend the audience to endorse this.
2) The woman is helplessly surrounded by a mob, sexually assaulted and then incapacitated.
And remember, you're supposed to want this to happen and cheer for it.
3) There is a live audience of people who are not characters in the performance all cheering these actions.
Imagine there was a TV show where a helpless woman was chased by a mob, caught, molested, and then injured. There is probably a scene like this that exists, but it's escaping me.
Now imagine that the point of this scene is not that the perpetrators are terrible, horrible people, but heroes. Not only are they heroes, this act is meant to be viewed as heroic.
Now, add to that a live audience of young men watching this happen and cheering for it.
It's disturbing. And I have no problem telling you I'm a better person than you are, if you really don't find that disturbing.
I'm biased? I'm biased?
You know what.... I am. I legitimately am. Don't give a fuck to present myself otherwise. You know what I'm biased about? I'm biased against rape culture.
Why? Because on a daily basis, I work with abused women, women who have grown up not knowing anything other than rape, abuse, and domestic violence. That's my background, that's what I grew up in. And I'm growing fucking sick of idiots (like yourself), who support angles like this.
We live in a society in which far, far too many women are marginalized and victimized by men on a daily basis, often through physical violence.
To turn a man physically attacking a woman into a babyface spot, no matter how horrible of a person the female character has been first and no matter whether this is the intention or not, perpetuates a culture of acceptable violence against women and is, frankly, disgusting.
I'm not saying that some fan will go out there and beat up his wife or his girlfriend for the sole reason that he saw Dixie Carter get put through a table on Impact, but what this is is one more brick in a cultural wall that helps establish that violence against women is acceptable when they do something you disagree with. The problem is that, when that culture is perpetuated, some men will look to it and say think, on a subconscious level, "My [wife/mother/girlfriend/insert other woman in their lives] sure is being a huge bitch. I'd better put her in her place. There's nothing wrong with that, because TV and movies have told me it's OK."
This isn't that fucking hard. Albert Bandura studied this stuff sixty fucking years ago. It isn't new how the media and what we see on television shapes our behavior. And if you're too much of a knuckle dragger to understand this, that says a fuck ton more about you than it does about me.
I'll just go ahead and stop you there, before you weave that straw man argument. As far as "equal rights = equal opportunity to be put through a table" is concerned, maybe I'd be willing to listen if we were in a society where women actually had equal rights and opportunities. We've made great progress, but we're a long way away. And shit like this is not helping; I'm tired of this type of shit subverting our culture, and I'm tired of uneducated fucks like you defending it.
In short, fuck off, you fucking moron, and get some perspective.
Zeven_Zion
You do realize that sponsors were leaving WWE in droves because of the shit Vince McMahon pulled in that era, and likely set the WWE back by years, right?
But yes, WWE got high ratings during the time of Stone Cold and The Rock, so clearly misogyny and beating women works.
Grow the fuck up.
In virtually no other form of scripted entertainment is a group of thirty men surrounding a middle aged woman, kissing her against her will, and then beating her up depicted as a babyface spot.
That's the difference. That. Right there. So don't even try to boil it down to a very generic description of what occurred, without looking at the entire goddamn context.
1) You're meant to cheer for it. They intend the audience to endorse this.
2) The woman is helplessly surrounded by a mob, sexually assaulted and then incapacitated.
And remember, you're supposed to want this to happen and cheer for it.
3) There is a live audience of people who are not characters in the performance all cheering these actions.
Imagine there was a TV show where a helpless woman was chased by a mob, caught, molested, and then injured. There is probably a scene like this that exists, but it's escaping me.
Now imagine that the point of this scene is not that the perpetrators are terrible, horrible people, but heroes. Not only are they heroes, this act is meant to be viewed as heroic.
Now, add to that a live audience of young men watching this happen and cheering for it.
It's disturbing. And I have no problem telling you I'm a better person than you are, if you really don't find that disturbing.
I'm biased? I'm biased?
You know what.... I am. I legitimately am. Don't give a fuck to present myself otherwise. You know what I'm biased about? I'm biased against rape culture.
Why? Because on a daily basis, I work with abused women, women who have grown up not knowing anything other than rape, abuse, and domestic violence. That's my background, that's what I grew up in. And I'm growing fucking sick of idiots (like yourself), who support angles like this.
We live in a society in which far, far too many women are marginalized and victimized by men on a daily basis, often through physical violence.
To turn a man physically attacking a woman into a babyface spot, no matter how horrible of a person the female character has been first and no matter whether this is the intention or not, perpetuates a culture of acceptable violence against women and is, frankly, disgusting.
I'm not saying that some fan will go out there and beat up his wife or his girlfriend for the sole reason that he saw Dixie Carter get put through a table on Impact, but what this is is one more brick in a cultural wall that helps establish that violence against women is acceptable when they do something you disagree with. The problem is that, when that culture is perpetuated, some men will look to it and say think, on a subconscious level, "My [wife/mother/girlfriend/insert other woman in their lives] sure is being a huge bitch. I'd better put her in her place. There's nothing wrong with that, because TV and movies have told me it's OK."
This isn't that fucking hard. Albert Bandura studied this stuff sixty fucking years ago. It isn't new how the media and what we see on television shapes our behavior. And if you're too much of a knuckle dragger to understand this, that says a fuck ton more about you than it does about me.
I'll just go ahead and stop you there, before you weave that straw man argument. As far as "equal rights = equal opportunity to be put through a table" is concerned, maybe I'd be willing to listen if we were in a society where women actually had equal rights and opportunities. We've made great progress, but we're a long way away. And shit like this is not helping; I'm tired of this type of shit subverting our culture, and I'm tired of uneducated fucks like you defending it.
In short, fuck off, you fucking moron, and get some perspective.
