Glass Ass: The OFFICIAL JGlass Thread

Thing is though, it took the aid of a god (namely Apollo) for him to be brought down. That's probably the tipping point here. If a human needs divine intervention to win a fight with Achilles, he deserves a bumping to the superhuman division.

Ah I see, without looking it up I cant remember Achilles's death at all, only that they found him with an arrow through the heel. Or possibly a poisoned tipped arrow. My point was that there was a more than reasonable fear that Hector, a mere Human, could've killed Achilles in a fair environment, without devine intervention, but because Achilles had it on his side, we'll never know.

The difference between the two brackets has nothing to do with power level, it has to do with where their powers originated from. The reason we divided them this way is because it just seems smart. Maybe if we can do it next year we'll make it just one giant 64 seed tournament, but you'll see a major difference between the most powerful supers vs. the most powerful humans. Last year the winners were Link and Vader, and when Macios (rest his soul) made a thread pitting the two against each other, Vader won by a wide margin.

I'm most interested to see some of the arguments for characters like Master Hand, Achilles, Dovahkiin, Shepard, and The Doctor: new guys that are pretty much the baddest dudes in the world in their respective universes.

Gotcha, although I feel its worth pointing out (and here I may be exposing my lack of knowledge) that Achilles being superhuman and only having his heel as a weakness could be considered a myth inside the myth itself. As I remember it, the only proof we have that his heel is the only weak spot is that he was found with an arrow through it, and he took several wounds in the story itself. That and while he was certainly a good fighter, he wasnt necessarily the best, as his Mothers (who was a Goddess or a Nymph, so that could throw my theory out of the window anyway) very reasonable fear of Hector proved, that and coupled with the heel thing mentioned above, there is a good argument to be made for Achilles in the Human bracket.

I am only making this point really because I'd like to see Achilles vs Tristan (as I am not a fan of the later additions of Lancelot or Galahad) next year.
 
No idea what you're talking about, just wanted to address you. I have drastically changed my tone on Sons of Anarchy. The last 2 seasons were fucking tremendous and I am anxiously awaiting the new one.

told you, that season 3 finale may be one of my favorite episodes of any television show ever.
 
Ah I see, without looking it up I cant remember Achilles's death at all, only that they found him with an arrow through the heel. Or possibly a poisoned tipped arrow. My point was that there was a more than reasonable fear that Hector, a mere Human, could've killed Achilles in a fair environment, without devine intervention, but because Achilles had it on his side, we'll never know.

Paris shot an arrow (depending on the write it's sometimes poisoned) at Achilles, Apollo guided it to the one place it could do harm.

As for the invulnerability thing, I interpret it as it being possible to wound him elsewhere, but not mortally. You could cut him and it would hurt but he's just going to shrug it off and kill you. The gods of Olympus have been wounded by the weapons of man before (Diomedes drew the blood of Aphrodite, I believe), and in the Olympians' war against giants they couldn't kill the invaders (Heracles had to) but they were certainly capable of laying a beatdown on them. Heracles just had to shoot them with an arrow while they were down.

Gotcha, although I feel its worth pointing out (and here I may be exposing my lack of knowledge) that Achilles being superhuman and only having his heel as a weakness could be considered a myth inside the myth itself. As I remember it, the only proof we have that his heel is the only weak spot is that he was found with an arrow through it, and he took several wounds in the story itself. That and while he was certainly a good fighter, he wasnt necessarily the best, as his Mothers (who was a Goddess or a Nymph, so that could throw my theory out of the window anyway) very reasonable fear of Hector proved, that and coupled with the heel thing mentioned above, there is a good argument to be made for Achilles in the Human bracket.

I am only making this point really because I'd like to see Achilles vs Tristan (as I am not a fan of the later additions of Lancelot or Galahad) next year.

Achilles was almost certainly not there during the real Trojan War. It makes more sense to me that he, and the myth surrounding his ankle came about to represent the flaws in the Greek armour at the time of the Trojan War. And he was certainly the best warrior on the Greeks' side (give or take Odysseus the trickster). When he returned to battle after Patroclus' death he killed so many people that he got into a fight with a river god because he was choking the river with the amount of blood that was getting into it. It then took Zeus to calm him down so that he wouldn't burn troy to the ground before it was fated to. Also when Hector, champion of Troy came face to face with Achilles he ran like a little bitch until Athena (in the form of his favourite brother) persuaded him to man up. His ass was royally kicked.

As for Achilles mother Thetis' fearing for his life, that's because Ancient Greeks took prophesy seriously. Achilles was prophesied to A) be greater than his father (caused Zeus and Poseidon to decide they didn't want to fuck his momma after all) B) either live a long life, be remembered by his successors and then be forgotten or live a short life but have his name talked about around the campfire for a hundred generations (he chose the latter, Thetis wanted the former), and C) that the first Greek upon the shores of Troy would be the first to die (she stopped him from being the first. Patroculs was instead). All came true in the end.

Essentially, she knew he was going to die at Troy, and motivated by maternal love she did everything she could to stop or delay the inevitable. She failed.

Other prophesies relevant to the Trojan war was Odysseus taking 10 years to get home and Paris being "a firebrand that will burn Troy to the ground".

Is my nerdism showing?
 
Despite being an ancient historian, I have never read the Illiad in its entirety. No interest in such poetic licence.

I do however enjoy the fact that for centuries, the Trojan War and indeed Troy itself was considered a completely and utterly mythological with no basis in fact. So completely in fact that archaeologists failed to look for it only to eventually find evidence of several different cities on the site of Troy.
 
Yep. There was probably a wooden horse too. Not to sneak people inside, of course but there's evidence of earthquakes destroying a couple of the cities of Troy, and one which shows signs of being invaded. Earthquake takes down the walls and lets the Greeks in.

The god of earthquakes is Poseidon, to whom the horse is sacred. To thank him for the earthquake they make a wooden horse. Add a little exageration and artistic license and that becomes the horse of legend.
 
Paris shot an arrow (depending on the write it's sometimes poisoned) at Achilles, Apollo guided it to the one place it could do harm.

Theres a Skyrim joke here somewhere, I'll pass though.

As for the invulnerability thing, I interpret it as it being possible to wound him elsewhere, but not mortally. You could cut him and it would hurt but he's just going to shrug it off and kill you. The gods of Olympus have been wounded by the weapons of man before (Diomedes drew the blood of Aphrodite, I believe), and in the Olympians' war against giants they couldn't kill the invaders (Heracles had to) but they were certainly capable of laying a beatdown on them. Heracles just had to shoot them with an arrow while they were down.

Achilles was almost certainly not there during the real Trojan War. It makes more sense to me that he, and the myth surrounding his ankle came about to represent the flaws in the Greek armour at the time of the Trojan War. And he was certainly the best warrior on the Greeks' side (give or take Odysseus the trickster). When he returned to battle after Patroclus' death he killed so many people that he got into a fight with a river god because he was choking the river with the amount of blood that was getting into it. It then took Zeus to calm him down so that he wouldn't burn troy to the ground before it was fated to. Also when Hector, champion of Troy came face to face with Achilles he ran like a little bitch until Athena (in the form of his favourite brother) persuaded him to man up. His ass was royally kicked.

As for Achilles mother Thetis' fearing for his life, that's because Ancient Greeks took prophesy seriously. Achilles was prophesied to A) be greater than his father (caused Zeus and Poseidon to decide they didn't want to fuck his momma after all) B) either live a long life, be remembered by his successors and then be forgotten or live a short life but have his name talked about around the campfire for a hundred generations (he chose the latter, Thetis wanted the former), and C) that the first Greek upon the shores of Troy would be the first to die (she stopped him from being the first. Patroculs was instead). All came true in the end.

Completely forgot about the river God, once the Gods start getting heavily involved I roll my eyes and lose interest really.

To be fair to Hector he was only Human, but dramatic effect or not I still think the part where he runs breaks character far too much. That said, onced suitably manned up, he was still considered a worthy enough warrior that he had to be tricked into being almost hilariously overmatched before fighting Achilles, that counts for something.

Hector was based on a real person supposedly, from nowhere near Troy, and he was everything that the Iliad makes him out to be, good person, exceptional warrior and all that. Dunno how he died. You probably knew that anyway, but I found it interesting.

Essentially, she knew he was going to die at Troy, and motivated by maternal love she did everything she could to stop or delay the inevitable. She failed.

Other prophesies relevant to the Trojan war was Odysseus taking 10 years to get home and Paris being "a firebrand that will burn Troy to the ground".

Is my nerdism showing?

Its fine, I work on a building site, I only really get the opportunity to get shown up by nerds on here. Can you remember who won the wrestling match for Achilles armour?

Okay, I yield, Achilles is a super.
 
Completely forgot about the river God, once the Gods start getting heavily involved I roll my eyes and lose interest really.

Fair. But hey, it could be Diomedes who wounded two Olympians in a single day.

To be fair to Hector he was only Human, but dramatic effect or not I still think the part where he runs breaks character far too much. That said, onced suitably manned up, he was still considered a worthy enough warrior that he had to be tricked into being almost hilariously overmatched before fighting Achilles, that counts for something.

Hector was based on a real person supposedly, from nowhere near Troy, and he was everything that the Iliad makes him out to be, good person, exceptional warrior and all that. Dunno how he died. You probably knew that anyway, but I found it interesting.

True enough, though Hector got beaten by Diomedes on two separate occasions, so it's notsurprising that he got roflstomped by Achilles.

Its fine, I work on a building site, I only really get the opportunity to get shown up by nerds on here. Can you remember who won the wrestling match for Achilles armour?

Okay, I yield, Achilles is a super.

The original set got taken by Hector when he killed Patroclus. Odysseus ended up with his set forged by Hephaestus by beating Ajax, who then went mad and killed himself.
 
The original set got taken by Hector when he killed Patroclus. Odysseus ended up with his set forged by Hephaestus by beating Ajax, who then went mad and killed himself.

I think this is somewhere where the 'sources' differ.

From what I have read, the main reason (not inflicted by a deity) that Ajax was overly angry about not being rewared with Achilles' armaments was that he had not been defeated by Odysseus. Instead, after a draw, a council was swayed by Odysseus' eloquence rather than Ajax's recounting of his great deeds.

I think it is Ovid that describes Ajax as "unconquered."
 
Барбоса;4099267 said:
I think this is somewhere where the 'sources' differ.

From what I have read, the main reason (not inflicted by a deity) that Ajax was overly angry about not being rewared with Achilles' armaments was that he had not been defeated by Odysseus. Instead, after a draw, a council was swayed by Odysseus' eloquence rather than Ajax's recounting of his great deeds.

I think it is Ovid that describes Ajax as "unconquered."

Meh, that's how I've read it being written too. Either way, Odysseus ends up with the armour.
 
Welp, I'm up in Boston. My new room is bigger than my last one (I think), but my roommates are weird. They have wild, unkempt hair and listen to techno music. This is what I imagine Europe is like.

Барбоса;4099149 said:
Grune the Destroyer got back on the Skyrim horse yesterday.

Broke into Black-Briar Manor to steal papers, cash and a horse, which I then kept for myself.

Frost is the third best mount in the game. Shadowmere is solid because the only way to kill it is to ride it off a cliff. Even after it dies, it respawns in the spot of it's death like, one game week after it's death.

The best mount is Arvak, but you can't get him unless you have Dawnguard. The real benefit of Arvak is that he's invincible like Shadowmere (unless you ride him off a cliff), but unlike Shadowmere you can respawn him immediately because he's summoned through a spell.

When did you guys start talking about Greek Mythology?

It was Skyrim, Transformers, a little Sons of Anarchy, and then BOOM- Ancient Gods.

:confused:

Because Achilles (along with Dovahkiin of Skyrim and 62 other characters) is a combatant in this year's BattleZone Tournament!
 
Frost is the third best mount in the game. Shadowmere is solid because the only way to kill it is to ride it off a cliff. Even after it dies, it respawns in the spot of it's death like, one game week after it's death.

The best mount is Arvak, but you can't get him unless you have Dawnguard. The real benefit of Arvak is that he's invincible like Shadowmere (unless you ride him off a cliff), but unlike Shadowmere you can respawn him immediately because he's summoned through a spell.

This is only the second time Grune has ridden a horse. Think I got the patch that allows battle from horseback so that might change, but I doubt it.

Not sure where Grune will go next. Might complete the active missions I have in eastern Skyrim before maybe heading west and visiting the cities in the west that I have yet to set foot in.
 
So my sister is getting married this time next year and she has decided to have a medieval theme.

How do I get a decent medieval style ensemble without it a) looking like absolute shite b) costing an absolute fortune?
 
Барбоса;4099365 said:
This is only the second time Grune has ridden a horse. Think I got the patch that allows battle from horseback so that might change, but I doubt it.

Not sure where Grune will go next. Might complete the active missions I have in eastern Skyrim before maybe heading west and visiting the cities in the west that I have yet to set foot in.

Regardless of whether you have the patch or not, mounted combat is pretty weak. You have to get right next to the enemy to hit them, and it's nearly impossible to aim your bow.

Барбоса;4099453 said:
So my sister is getting married this time next year and she has decided to have a medieval theme.

How do I get a decent medieval style ensemble without it a) looking like absolute shite b) costing an absolute fortune?

I think you're asking the wrong group of people.
 
JGlass invites me to an Xbox Live Party, says I can't connect.

I reinvite him to my own party, he doesn't respond.

Damn it man, why must you always play with my heart?
 
Putting the finishing touches on Batman's BZT bio, I think he might hold the record for most abilities in the human bracket.
 
For the next BZT, please put in Ren Tao, Lyserg Diethel or Yoh Asakura. Preferably Ren, of the three.

Any of the three would be acceptable, as would the other two non-omnipotent participants of the final battle. But those three are ones I'd make a case for. Ren and Lyserg are the most versatile of the 5 main characters in terms of Oversouls (and thus ability to fight with the supers), and Yoh is the protagonist.
 
Last episode of Breaking Bad for a whole year is less than 2 hrs. away, I'm both excited & sad... I don't want to wait a whole year for the last 8 episodes.
 

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