Extreme Rules 2014: John Cena VS Bray Wyatt - Steel Cage Match

[The Eighties]

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The first match made official for Extreme Rules. I was personally hoping for the kind of stip that would allow for a wild brawl and I am sure many will feel the cage match is being used so Bray can win without Cena having to take a pin.

That aside I really liked their match at WrestleMania and I think they can use the cage to tell a good story as the psychology was the strength of their first bout. I expect Bray to win this one.

 

[TWJC: The Beginning]

WTF does Cena taking the pin or not have anything to do with it?

I think the cage makes sense in the story. It's the traditional wrestling feud ender. I just wish they could blade as I feel this feud could really use that imagery to put an exclamation point on it.

Wyatt/Cena in a cage could be a great match and tell a great story. It's what I wanted and I hope it's what I expect as far as a match and story goes.

 

[The Eighties]

No, I just don't get it. A pin vs scrambling out is equal. It's all about how you do it. What if it's a three on 1 attack in the cage followed by a pin? What if it's both guys on the top of the cage and Cena in a rage throws Wyatt off the top through a table (for Wyatt's win)? That's the context.

Read my Raw review. I call WWE out when it needs to. They've just been really good over the past 6 months or so.

If Bray beats Cena bloody and walks over his broken body out of the door he looks strong, if he scrambles out of the door as Cena climbs over the top and beats him by a second it's a limp win. Of course there are other possibilities like your Cena rage-out idea, I was simply saying that some will see it as a stipulation that COULD be used to avoid giving Bray a strong win over Cena.

I read your review, I read most of your posts as you are clearly a long time fan with a mostly level headed view, I dig that, I just get sick of the angry guard dog shit over a simple point that COULD factor in to how some fans view the choice of stipulation.

I don't know if you read my posts but I am far from negative about WWE and while I may not think they are quite as clever as you do at times, overall I credit the product regularly and I'm not in the "Cena haters" camp either.

 

[TWJC: The Beginning]

If Bray beats Cena bloody and walks over his broken body out of the door he looks strong, if he scrambles out of the door as Cena climbs over the top and beats him by a second it's a limp win. Of course there are other possibilities like your Cena rage-out idea, I was simply saying that some will see it as a stipulation that COULD be used to avoid giving Bray a strong win over Cena.

I read your review, I read most of your posts as you are clearly a long time fan with a mostly level headed view, I dig that, I just get sick of the angry guard dog shit over a simple point that COULD factor in to how some fans view the choice of stipulation.

I don't know if you read my posts but I am far from negative about WWE and while I may not think they are quite as clever as you do at times, overall I credit the product regularly and I'm not in the "Cena haters" camp either.

Oh the feeling is mutual. You're level headed as well. I know you're not one of the guys who is worked by Cena.

I don't know why you think I was angry. I wasn't. I was taken aback because it didn't make sense to me (and you usually make a lot of sense).

Something I'd LOVE to see in this match is Bo Dallas' introduction. Not as a new Wyatt member, but screwing his brother. Bo's character (from what I can tell) is a heel who desperately wants to be a face. So he does what he feels is the right thing and helps Cena win. He then has an obsession with wanting to be like Cena. You weave this in with Bray. This thing could drag out for a long time.

 

[The Eighties]

Oh the feeling is mutual. You're level headed as well. I know you're not one of the guys who is worked by Cena.

I don't know why you think I was angry. I wasn't. I was taken aback because it didn't make sense to me (and you usually make a lot of sense).

Something I'd LOVE to see in this match is Bo Dallas' introduction. Not as a new Wyatt member, but screwing his brother. Bo's character (from what I can tell) is a heel who desperately wants to be a face. So he does what he feels is the right thing and helps Cena win. He then has an obsession with wanting to be like Cena. You weave this in with Bray. This thing could drag out for a long time.

To clarify I wasn't saying I felt this way about the stip, my guess is that as with most guys he works with Cena will go out of his way to establish Bray even further with how this cage match is booked. The very fact Cena laid it out for him to step up on his own and prove himself points in that direction IMO. If you re-read my wording I was merely making an observation of how I think some fans may perceive the stip, which was why I felt your "WTF" exclamation of shock aimed at me was odd.

I've been watching Bo for a while down in NXT and I think the idea of his character is more a case of acting as an uber cheesy face but knowingly doing so and being incredibly disingenuous and intentionally naive to try and get away with various heel tactics he uses. He's very promising but I think he'll come in on his own stream as opposed to being involved with Cena or Bray right off the bat.

 

[hitking100]

Nobody knows yet if this will be the final encounter for a while. If yes, Cena destroys Wyatt again and moves back into the championship picture. If they want to stretch this out into the next ppv and have a rubber match then, Bray could pick up a very tainted win before being sacrificed at the next ppv.

 

[Raptor93]

I was kinda hoping for a if cena wins the whyatts must disband stipulation, so then whyatt does actually have everything to lose. Cage is still good rowan and harper will probably do same shit with kane in pyro match eventually getting involved but mostly kept at bay.

 

[Y 2 Jake]

A steel cage match? How lame. Y'know what I miss? Those pre-taped matches you used to get on WWE & WCW PPV's in the 90's. Ones where they wrestle away from the arena. I'd have liked to have seen Cena & Wyatt face off in a Wyatt like setting near a bayou or something. That would've been cool. Though maybe that along with Cena's corniness would've been too much.

 

[MCMG]

Genius. Let's put Bray in a cage so Harper and Rowan can't get in. We've not done that in um three months. At least the first time with Kane there was fire involved.

There match at Mania was very good. I'm enjoying this feud and it's refreshing for Cena to let others on the card shine. He's not champ and isn't closing the show - that is significant. I'm sure Bray wins this match. In the long-term, I'm not sure where this goes. Writing Cena of TV is a possibility as it would make Bray look strong and ensure Cena gets to heal.

 

[Eddie Menuek]

Something I'd LOVE to see in this match is Bo Dallas' introduction. Not as a new Wyatt member, but screwing his brother. Bo's character (from what I can tell) is a heel who desperately wants to be a face. So he does what he feels is the right thing and helps Cena win. He then has an obsession with wanting to be like Cena. You weave this in with Bray. This thing could drag out for a long time.

I actually don't mind this theory. However, if you're going to do it, do it at Payback - The Allstate Arena, Chicago. Bo Dallas instantly gets all of the heel heat that he could want, by costing a heel a match against a babyface. It could be a really, truly interesting dynamic.

It's probably an unrealistic proposition because ultimately, a feud between Bray Wyatt and John Cena deserves a better ending than that but it's interesting to contemplate how the new way that babyfaces and heels are thought of could be further used and warped in the future.

 

[Mustang Sally]

I don't know if this is the match to end the feud, although a cage match often is. The thing is, I think Bray is due for a win.....and possibly a bloody one, as someone suggested.....yet the Cena-Wyatt program doesn't end with Bray coming out on top, does it? Nah.

The thing is, the "getting in Cena's head" scenario that played in the WM30 match seemed rather abrupt, no? Cena appeared to put his hand to his skull and act confused for a few seconds, then he apparently cleared his senses and went on to win the match.

Why do the whole "head case" thing in the first place, only to abandon it thereafter? If Bray is a genuine nutbar we're supposed to think he is, they've got to go forward with it. On the other hand, a steel cage isn't a place for the weak of spirit; it's the scene of two (or more) people who are ready to battle it out, taking no prisoners......full speed ahead, damn the torpedoes.

I'll predict a Bray win......with a swerve that keeps the feud going. Hopefully, it'll be one we never saw coming.

 

[BestWrestlingOpinions]

We are discussing the match itself and mostly the finish. Not the build up, nothing. Just the match and the ending, and why as far as the storyline goes.

For me, I enjoy this feud and since I want to see it keep going, I'd say that the best finish should be Bray escaping the cage. If Cena wins, then it is completely wrong. Bray wins this for sure. If Bray just escapes the cage, Cena can make the claim that he isn't able to pin him, thus extending their feud. It would be Bray trying to get back at Cena or something.

If Bray pins Cena, then I guess that makes the two guys even, but it seems weird because to me, it would seem like Bray won this feud. But I guess it can go on, as above.

No matter what, I want to see a clean win. No screw finishes, no Rowan/Harper slamming the door on Cena on his way out. At the very best, if those two HAVE to get involved, then it should lead to Bray pinning Cena. Simple escaping would make him look weaker.

Summing up, Bray escapes the cage clean. Throughout the match, we will have Bray trying to pin Cena and all, and after he "realizes" that he can't, he tries to escape the cage and try something different some other time.

 

[Mitch Henessey]

Wyatt needs this more than Cena. You're taking a big risk of killing any momentum for The Wyatt Family and Bray with two consecutive losses to Cena on pay per view.

I can picture a scenario with Rowan and Harper making their way into the cage after the lights go out, and they run that glitchy video for The Wyatt Family. When the lights pop on again, Rowan and Harper appear inside the cage, and they attack Cena to help Bray win the match. Something similar to the fiasco at Elimination Chamber.

 

[hitking100]

It's an uphill battle for Bray, he'll be lucky if people still take him seriously after Extreme Rules. Cena has done everything possible to destroy the Wyatt Family. * Dress up in a goatmask, showing you're not intimidated by any of this, while the Wyatts look at you like ******s and get beat up in the process. * Beat Bray clean at WrestleMania. * Totally destroy a gimmick with childish pictures and comments...can you imagine anyone doing this to Taker back in the day ?

And now we have Extreme Rules...a PPV that means nothing...with a stipulation that can give birth to several cheap victories.

Bray is in a hopeless predicament, he practically needs to kill Cena to get his momentum back...and he won't.

 

[OYDK]

Wyatt needs to blade in this match. I know it's PG blah blah blah but I can easily see HHH giving the go ahead in special circumstances and there is none more special than this one. A nice, bloody Wyatt laughing his ass off in the middle of the ring will do as much for Wyatt as Stone Cold passing out at Mania 13 in a pool of his own blood did for Austin. Idk I just see this as a great oppurtunity to REALLY turn Wyatt into a creepy psychopath that can actually frighten the little kiddies.

 

[TWJC: The Beginning]

I actually don't mind this theory. However, if you're going to do it, do it at Payback - The Allstate Arena, Chicago. Bo Dallas instantly gets all of the heel heat that he could want, by costing a heel a match against a babyface. It could be a really, truly interesting dynamic.

It's probably an unrealistic proposition because ultimately, a feud between Bray Wyatt and John Cena deserves a better ending than that but it's interesting to contemplate how the new way that babyfaces and heels are thought of could be further used and warped in the future.

That wouldn't be the end of the feud. If I were to book this in more detail:

ER: Bo costs Wyatt the match, Cena doesn't know.
Raw Cena tells Bo what he did was wrong. Bo says he wants to be like Cena.
The build to Payback is a 2 on 3 handicap match: Wyatts vs Bo/Cena. You build it so you (and Cena) aren't sure if Bo is genuinely wanting to be a hero like Cena or if he is a Wyatt mole.

Payback: Bo fights his heart out against the Wyatts. Cena almost has it won but Bo costs Cena the match.
Raw, Cena and Bo argue. Bo cries. Cena feels bad.
Raw 2: Cena wins a qualifying match with Bo in his corner. Cena acting kind of like the big brother having to take the little brother with him. Regretfully allowing him to tag along. Bray is cutting promos about how it hurts him to see Bo looking up to Cena.

MITB: Bo accidently costs Cena the MITB. Cena snaps and beats the shit out of Bo.
Raw, Wyatts "call Bo back to family" since he was the one who showed the world how ugly Cena can be.
The build for Summerslam is that Bray is proud of Bo, but Bo still things Cena is a hero. Cena is struggling with his actions.

Summerslam is Cena vs Bray "I Quit" match. Finish is Bray handcuffs Cena to the ropes then threatens doing something awful to Bo, iunno, chair shot/stairs shot combo. Cena says "I quit" to save Bo. Then Bo stands up, hugs Bray, then all 4 Wyatts beat the Cena beyond belief.

Just me, I'm sure there are holes in that and ways to make it better, but that's the gist. Either way, I'm very excited for this.

 

[HBsam31]

Bray definitely needs a win, and is due for a big one. I would like to see some blood in this one. It is the type of feud that could really be enhanced by a bloody battle. A Cena win can never be ruled out, but something tells me Bray finds a way to win this one.

 

[laodaron]

Wyatt needs this win, the problem is, after watching how bad Wyatt is in the ring at Wrestlemania, I'm concerned that his win just cannot be believable. Sure, his promos are weird and different and not the usual Pro Wrestler bad guy promos. Sure, he does some weird shit with his body and spits into his beard during the matches. Sure, his greasy hair makes him look like some weird Bayou Billy. However, when he's wrestling someone as technically gifted as Cena, Wyatt's shortcomings are glaring. He's a really really terrible in ring wrestler, and he's lucky he's a generational superstar with a trending gimmick.

I see Wyatt getting the win here, probably a screwjob ending, the WWE isn't stupid enough to write Cena into a clean loss against a rookie at a PPV, but the win will make Wyatt look more powerful. Maybe a new Family member. Who knows, but all in all, Wyatt gets the screwjob win, and this is the third to last match of the night.

 

[Mighty NorCal]

This angle is fucking stupid. We have seen Cena get extremely brutal numerous times.

Anyways, Wyatt needs to go over in the angle, with at least one win. I would expect that here, witht he rubber match to end it all possibly next month.

 

[hitking100]

I really don't think even a tainted victory here would do anything for Bray. Last Raw we saw the Wyatt Family lose a 3 on 1 handicap match against Cena...exactly what odds will Bray get in this match against a guy who already beat him AND his family several times ?

Maybe don't win at all...somebody mentioned blood...blood is good under the right circumstances...this is one of them. Some also noticed similarities between Undertaker and Wyatt...good, bring in spooky Sister Abigail when you need her the most.

Let Harper and Rowan attack Cena during his entrance and bust him open. Enter Bray Wyatt...cage gets locked...Cena hulks up and gives us the same boring show as usual...sets up Bray for the AA, Bray just laughs and shouts for Sister Abigail. As usual in these Undertaker-like segments, the lights go out and suddenly we see a flash of some old skeleton nun or whatever right next to Cena...Cena squeals like a little girl...Lights back on...Harper and Rowan are now in the cage. 3 on 1 beating 'till Cena is an unconscious bleeding pig. Then Bray lies down, Harper and Rowan drag Cena's body on top and they order the referee to count. Cena wins by pinfall !

Bray takes the mic and orders to play Cena's music...Rowan and Harper hold up the body of Cena just like the lawmen of the old west used to show off a dead desperado (something like this http://www.legendsofamerica.com/photos-outlaws/BobGratDaltonDead-500.jpg.) Bray talks to John : "Why John, why do you look unhappy ? The hero won, the music is playing but nobody is cheering...They know, John...they understand now...and come on now John, would you please stop bleeding on us !"

Then the refs and dramaqueens storm into the cage and drag whatevers left of Cena out of there.

It's not quite PG, it'll probably rape PG where it hurts the most...but i dare Cena to laugh that away with a cheezy grin on the next RAW.

Oh, and 2 seconds of the part with them holding a bloody Cena up while Bray is laughing in his face --> put it into the Wyatt Titantron, people need to be constantly reminded of what they did to him.

 

[Wolf Pac]

That opening segment on Raw tonight - HOLY FUCKING SHIT!!! This just got more personal and intense. Reminded me of when Raven turned Sandman's wife and kid against him. It really made me feel for Cena.

As much as I'd like to see Cena kill Bray after that bizzare segment, I see Bray winning this and he should, leading to a final match between the two at Payback - a fitting PPV name for this feud. I can see the kid choir coming out and surrounding the cage, distracting Cena, allowing Bray to attack him from behind and finish him off with Sister Abigail (maybe against the cage wall, like he did to Bryan the night after Hell in a Cell). Yeah, that would be some story if the kids cost Cena the match. Cena wins his matches for the kids, but this time they are the ones that cause him to lose.

And like everybody else, I hope WWE allow some blood to shed in this one.

 

[kadroan]

That opening segment on Raw tonight - HOLY FUCKING SHIT!!! This just got more personal and intense. Reminded me of when Raven turned Sandman's wife and kid against him. It really made me feel for Cena.

As much as I'd like to see Cena kill Bray after that bizzare segment, I see Bray winning this and he should, leading to a final match between the two at Payback - a fitting PPV name for this feud. I can see the kid choir coming out and surrounding the cage, distracting Cena, allowing Bray to attack him from behind and finish him off with Sister Abigail (maybe against the cage wall, like he did to Bryan the night after Hell in a Cell). Yeah, that would be some story if the kids cost Cena the match. Cena wins his matches for the kids, but this time they are the ones that cause him to lose.

And like everybody else, I hope WWE allow some blood to shed in this one.

That would be great. A final between the two at Payback would be huge, especially since they're in Punk country. Last thing they need is CM Punk chants all night taking away from the match

 

[closet_fan]

I'm hoping either Cena wins, but Wyatt has "done the damage," to Cena's head or Wyatt wins. He has had 2 programs with Kane and Bryan and neither ended all that great for Wyatt. Kane's never finished and Bryan was able to get away.

This one needs to be in Wyatt's favor or else many fans WILL lose interest.

 

[El Rev sXe]

Well, the promos and the overall build up has been amazing lately. A cage match is going to be interesting between these two men, not sure how is the psychology going to be played here. Now if I have to pick a winner I would've said Wyatt, but honestly (and I'm not hating on Cena here) with Cena you never know. You can have all the reasons in the world to beat him, yet you come close. I don't know at all who is going to win. If Cena wins, well that's it for this feud, while if Wyatt wins, they can have a final match between them.

 

[George Steele's Barber]

Anyone else here thinks that Cena winning is better for Bray? To me, it is similar to the way WWE/HHH appeared to continuously build heat for DB by showing him as a lesser performer by seemingly keeping him down. If Bray wins the expectations for him go through the roof. That is never really a good thing, especially for a guy who hasn't been around that long.

Food for thought.