Election Night LD

[Mighty NorCal]

People who do that kind of stuff are just waiting for an excuse.

What you didn't know that stuff NEVER happened before Trump?

Its hilarious that people don't see they sound exactly the same as the "thanks obama!" crowd

 

[Spidey Revivey]

Except now they have a reason to. It's cool now. They'll register in databases.

 

[Mighty NorCal]

Indeed, a lot of people on both sides are forgetting that Trump was a Democrat.

It will all come down to how much he actually cares about doing the job.

Will he attempt to act on his more middle of the road, perhaps even Democratic, leanings or will he simply bask in the power of being CinC and let the GOP run things?

He could easily look at all the work Obama put in and think "well, it got him nowhere and I am not a loser..."

If the GOP is smart.....which yes is the biggest if I've ever seen in my life....

They will play nice and stay towards the middle on a lot of things. Their inability to function is the biggest reason this happened.

 

[Mighty NorCal]

And they should now all fear for their jobs.

Anything can happen now.

It may not have been the one many people wanted, but a glass ceiling was indeed shattered.

 

[Slyfox696]

Whole lot of people who cried all of the cries about how Obama was treated....

ARE NOW DOING THE EXACT SAME THING.

Its easy to be the high and mighty moral authority until you don't get your way and the fit throwing begins.

I'd say both sides are guilty of caring far more about team politics than they do about logic, reason or objectivity.

Not to mention, someone could easily ask you how you would feel about Hillary Clinton if it was your child's rapist she negotiated a plea bargain for. Or if it was you who was assaulted by her husband and she did all she could to besmirch you and drive you away from testifying.

The left turned their nose up and ignored this stuff and acted like it didn't matter....when it pretty clearly did matter.

You've made several good arguments in this thread...neither of these are good arguments though.

A lawyer has to defend clients they find distasteful. The accused have the Constitutional right to quality legal representation. And blaming a woman for believing her husband didn't cheat on her isn't nearly as awful as Republicans want people to believe.

Maybe, but then explain to me why people did vote Trump, without the absolute nonsense that 'people are tired of career politicians'.

I would love a child, but I am also so thankful I don't have a daughter, so I don't have to explain to her that despite the fact she is intelligent, and VASTLY more qualified in every way than her opposition, she won't get the job because an old, rich, white man wanted it too.

I understand where you are coming from, but find your argument lacking.

Our current President is Barack Obama. I feel as if that pretty much negates the "*insert demographic here* didn't get to be President because of their demographic".

The fact is Hillary didn't win the Presidency because she couldn't get people to vote for her. Obama received 69.5 million votes in 2008 and 65.9 million in 2012. Hillary is sitting below 60 million right now at 59.9 million. You're talking 6 million votes less for Hillary than for Obama.

And, before you get the wrong idea, it's not like those voters went to Trump. Trump is sitting at 1.2 million votes less than Romney received and only slightly more than McCain received.

The fact is Hillary is as shady as they come. Everyone knows it, including those who vote for her. The Democrats tried to whitewash it as best they could, but the constant drip from Wikileaks killed their ability to do so.

Clinton lost 6 million voters from Obama in 2012...that's why she lost the election (amongst other reasons).

If the GOP is smart.....which yes is the biggest if I've ever seen in my life....

They will play nice and stay towards the middle on a lot of things. Their inability to function is the biggest reason this happened.

Impossible, their voter base will never allow that.

 

[Барбоса]

If the GOP is smart.....which yes is the biggest if I've ever seen in my life....

They will play nice and stay towards the middle on a lot of things. Their inability to function is the biggest reason this happened.

One thing I have seen where Trump is potentially ahead of the GOP is the repealing of Obamacare. The GOP are so vehement in getting rid of it that they mention no plan of what comes after that. Trump has talked about replacing it with something better - again, that could just be bluster on his part.

The GOP after 8 years in "total obstructionist opposition" mode might just go mad and make another mess which needs cleaning up.

And they should now all fear for their jobs.

Anything can happen now.

Right now, that may be the case, but it will really depend on exactly why so many people voted for Trump.

If the majority of his votes did come from those sick of being ignored by the establishment, then yes, almost all bets are off (aside from in those red states where being blue is treasonous).

But if the majority of Trump's support comes from 'personal' vendettas against Obama or Hillary and the worst kind of anti-immigration/minorities, then it could easily prove a false dawn.

 

[enviousdominous]

Somebody should tell his supporters that...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...y-were-attacked-by-men-invoking-donald-trump/

Let's not pretend like the same things aren't happening to people who voted for Donald Trump:

Trump Voter Attacked

 

[HBK-aholic]

Its awesome when I provide an argument and then someone who thinks they are providing a counter point then goes and gives an example proving my point.

THIS IS WHY YOU LOST.

All of the above is lazy, head in the sand stuff that is exactly how this happened.

It's not lazy or having your head in the sand, when it's true. Note I'm not saying that's the reason she lost, But the FACT is that she lost, despite being more qualified in every way, to someone with no experience in the area. And whether Trump is as bad as we think, and I pray he isn't, the issue is that 50 million people are also okay with what he did.

It's missing the point entirely to say the people complaining now are the same as those complaining about Obama. We're not angry or upset a Republican won, we're angry people are ok with what he did - and we're allowed to be.

 

[Bernkastel]

ITT: Folks who don't realize/know Trump's actual political views are pretty moderate.

Which is a big reason why I chose not to vote for him.

 

[Mighty NorCal]

. And blaming a woman for believing her husband didn't cheat on her isn't nearly as awful as Republicans want people to believe.

If this is what you think happened, then that's fine.

Many, me included, think she held steady and tried to move forward not because she thought the claims were untrue, but because it would ruin the empire to do the whole song and dance.

Not the first time, not the last time its happened. Actually quite common, and common for people with much less to lose than Hillary.

I appreciate how level headed you are regarding the arguments made....

Sense I haven't even really begun to levy arguments.

It shows how silly and flimsy the other side's position really is.

The biggest challenge here really (and it seems like you realize this) is figuring out which of the many slices of this fail pie was the definitive one.

 

[Hyorinmaru]

http://us.blastingnews.com/news/2016/11/donald-trump-could-be-impeached-upon-inauguration

Not sure if there's any truth to this but I figured people would be interested.

 

[klunderbunker]

http://us.blastingnews.com/news/2016/11/donald-trump-could-be-impeached-upon-inauguration-for-fraud-and-racketeering-report-001246445.html

Not sure if there's any truth to this but I figured people would be interested.

Yeah not happening. There's no way that he would be brought up by his own party with this kind of a majority in both houses.

 

[Slyfox696]

If this is what you think happened, then that's fine.

It's the best we have at this point. A woman defending her husband from what the husband said is untrue is quite normal.

Many, me included, think she held steady and tried to move forward not because she thought the claims were untrue, but because it would ruin the empire to do the whole song and dance.

Not the first time, not the last time its happened. Actually quite common, and common for people with much less to lose than Hillary.

It's certainly very possible, but all we have to support that is "our gut", which just isn't enough. So, until more information comes (if ever it does), all we can say is a wife believed her husband.

I appreciate how level headed you are regarding the arguments made....

Sense I haven't even really begun to levy arguments.

It shows how silly and flimsy the other side's position really is.

The biggest challenge here really (and it seems like you realize this) is figuring out which of the many slices of this fail pie was the definitive one.

I always try to be objective about things and facts are FAR more important to me than anything else.

There are many things which determined the outcome of this election. I think anyone trying to claim one or two is being narrow-sighted.

 

[enviousdominous]

Oh geez. What in the HELL are we going to see on South Park tomorrow!?

Odd, they literally changed the title of that episode to.... oh jeez.